EPTI want to point out the fact that, having been caught on this scumslip his only choice is to give away the piece.
Him giving away the piece is NOT AN INDICATOR OF ALIGNMENT
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I want to point out the fact that, having been caught on this scumslip his only choice is to give away the piece. Him giving away the piece is NOT AN INDICATOR OF ALIGNMENT | ||
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On September 21 2011 23:53 tnkted wrote: Ummm..... Wtf? This coming from the guy who took a HUGE amount of heat the other day for misclaiming his pm timing? Why anyone other than us? I don't see any obvious reasons at all. 1. My mistake was honest and it had no bearing on anyone else. I know Forumite thought it could've been malicious but it was not. Tell me, does my behavior fit with that type of mistake? 2. I wasn't under pressure at the time. This is a good indication of whether the slip is genuinely a scumslip or if it's a town derp. 3. This guy has been acting scum since Day 1. Now he does all of this stuff (including changing his vote rapidly in OMGUS when under pressure.) behaviour alone should tell you enough whether to believe his claim or not. | ||
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On September 21 2011 23:59 Nisani201 wrote: WBG, I was under just as much pressure as you when I mistakenly claimed having Honesty. You keep spewing out more bullshit, it's actually quite amazing. AFAIK there wasn't someone blatantly calling me out for LYING when I came out myself and said I mistakenly claimed n1. No one pressured me into saying that, I honestly admitted I had made a mistake. I could've kept quiet about it but as a townie I decided full disclosure was proper. You, on the other hand, only claimed it was a mistake after you'd received 2 votes from Jackal and Forumite on your outright lie that you had the honesty piece (as both Forumite and I had given them to tnkted yesterday) This also proves you wern't readin the thread at all, you were focused blindly on tunneling me for a mislynch. Had you actually read what me and Forumite were doing you might even have been able to get away with your little gambit! | ||
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You even FAKE BREADCRUMBED with the word "honesty". It seems like all you did was take my breadcrumb ("let's be honest about this") and didn't even bother to change the word! Even if you didn't check your PM box, you should've been reading the thread. Just by reading the thread you'd know that getting the honesty piece is impossible unless the whole element is give to you by tnkted/jackal (which they both deny doing) | ||
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On September 22 2011 00:09 tnkted wrote: No its not but it is an indicator that his 'scumslip' was an honest mistake and not a scumslip at all. Which makes him look more town. I'll remind you that I felt the same way about you until I recieved the pieces of honesty from yall, which made me feel that YOU were more town. People who have lived in glass houses and who have had stones thrown at them shouldn't throw stones at their neighbors on glass street. Er, my metaphor kind of ran away from me there, but you get the point. And alright nisani, we just have to wait for GM to send me a PM telling me what's what. In the meantime, ##Unvote. While we wait though, I want jackal's opinion on scum and on what we should do tonight with the items. I propose that (since we can't communicate at night) we use wifom to keep mafia from hitting us. It worked last night, since greymyst died instead of one of the two of us. Mafia knows that we can either protect the other one, or ourselves, and that we will probably do one of them. If mafia hits either of us then town knows that mafia knew who was going to be protected, so they knew it was safe to hit that person. Town then lynches the other one for revealing whats what. So we are probably safe. Just to make sure, and to make sure that scum can't roleblock or steal from the person WITH the items, I propose that we use the same principle of wifom to switch the items around. Let do something like, if by a certain time I don't send you my items, you send yours to me. Mafia won't know which one of us has them since we didn't post anything in thread, but the two of us will know. Then, right before the nightpost, one of us posts what happend. Thoughts? Why on EARTH would you keep alive someone who clearly has not been reading the thread? If he had claimed anything else it would be believable, but he chose HONESTY. think about that. | ||
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On September 22 2011 00:18 tnkted wrote: Bugs, what about this aren't you getting? We're about to find out if he was lying or not. We are putting your theory to the test. How is that not a good thing for town? I just explained to you why him giving you a piece is not an indicator of alignment. Think about it from a mafia perspective. He's been caught lying, fake breadcrumbing, and not reading the thread. His only chance not to get lynched is to take another gambit and send you the piece. I would say the worst, in fact, is the not reading the thread. That means he has no vested interest in scumhunting, just THINK about that before being so ready to believe his claim just because you receive a piece from him. | ||
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On September 22 2011 00:19 Nisani201 wrote: OK, I've had enough of this. WBG is being anti-town by criticizing EVERYTHING that's happening. Even if he is not scum, he still needs to die for his hostile behavior. ##Unvote ##Vote: wherebugsgo I'm criticizing your terrible scum play so you say I'm criticizing everything? Dude what are you on? You're just butt hurt we caught you lying your face off. You've done nothing all game but tunnel me, and it's clear you've had no interest in reading the thread or scum hunting. Just look at your own filter. It's full of nothing but terrible one liners and even worse votes coupled with a fake claim that screams anti town. | ||
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Everyone who is town and still sane in this game FOR GODS SAKE LYNCH NISANI | ||
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On September 22 2011 00:28 tnkted wrote: Yes, but if the piece he sends me is truely the element of generosity, then he wasn't caught lying, fake breadcrumbing, OR not reading the thread. He was caught making a mistake. YOU DID THE SAME THING EARLIER THIS GAME, HOW CAN YOU GIVE HIM SHIT FOR IT?! Am I out of my mind? What the hell is happening? Am I not explaining this correctly? Him sending the piece to anyone doesn't confirm anything! Let's go over it all again (god it's annoying to be repeating myself like this) Start by looking at his actions and mine from town and mafia perspectives. 1.) As town, you have a piece. It's been publicized for over a day that there are pieces out there, that you should claim if you have a piece, and you should give them to tnkted or Jackal. Why would a townie breadcrumb in this instance? There's no reason to keep people guessing about what you have when pieces have been traveling for a full day. Breadcrumbing at this point creates confusion when you can just be direct. Compare this to what I did. I breadcrumbed because it was not completely obvious what Jackal and tnkted were doing. I had reason to breadcrumb instead of outright claim since it wasn't publicized and no one was town confirmed. It would've been a stupid idea to claim but a great idea to breadcrumb. The exact opposite holds true now. It's retarded to breadcrumb now that everything is out there unless you have an ulterior motive and are attempting to appear town. 2. His breadcrumb made no sense and established the fact that he has not read the thread. Why on earth would anyone claim honesty when both Forumite and I sent our pieces to tnkted? You'd have to not read the thread to make a mistake like that. This fts with Nisani's lack of contribution. He can't contribute anything when he's not reading the thread, and the only thin he's added to the game is chaos. He has no will to contribute. This slip confirms that, and that's extremely pro-mafia. 3. He OMGUSes any pony who suspects him. He's flip flopped his votes a few times today already and when he sees that/is called out on it he goes back to his terrible and unfounded tunnel on me. 4. This is not his first contradiction in this game. It's just the worst. Forget looking at this mistake by itself and start looking at it in the context of everything else he's done. He has a 6 page filter full of one liners that say absolutely nothing. He's a detriment to the town and I can't believe I need to fight you thick ponies this hard to get him lynched. | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:34 Nisani201 wrote: I breadcrumbed because I did not know if there was a specific person who was told that they needed the element. If I said HEY GUISE I GOTZ DA ELEMENT WHO WANTS IT HURRRR, then scum might ask for it. But breadcrumbing it would only make sense to the person who needed it (however obviously this got severely messed up because I was breadcrumbing the wrong element). Mind explaining my other "contradictions"? Here's the other big one before this happened: (I pointed it out before but no one really cared) On September 20 2011 01:39 Nisani201 wrote: Ok, what the fuck? How did we get a no-lynch? I'm on my iPod right now so I can't navigate as quickly, but I am putting big FoS on the outliers. Obviously scum wants a no-lynch. On September 20 2011 05:59 Nisani201 wrote: I explained in thread why I wasn't around yesterday. And lurkers aren't killing the game, the no-lynch that YOU CAUSED is killing this game. On September 20 2011 09:04 Nisani201 wrote: Sorry, that was poorly worded. I meant people who were voting for someone with otherwise no votes. On September 20 2011 09:22 Nisani201 wrote: The only person I blame for the no-lynch is you. You go and contradict yourself TWICE on the same thing in four posts. On September 21 2011 04:06 Nisani201 wrote: Sigh, I guess I'll have to write an analysis on WBG when I get home today. So like, in a few hours. You know when that was? Exactly 24 hours ago. I still see no analysis on me. Contradiction #2; your actions did not line up with your words. You said you'd write something on me, and as was predictable, nothing showed up. On September 21 2011 23:39 Nisani201 wrote: gahhh i messed it up ##Unvote ##Vote: Jackal58 I've found confirmed scum, and you're voting for Forumite? OK WBG, my top 3 scum suspects, just for you: Jackal, WBG, and Cyber_Cheese. On September 21 2011 23:44 Nisani201 wrote: OK, when I died and flip Town, you had better kill Jackal. I have confirmed scum and you're voting for the wrong person. then comes this gem that just kinda fell out, contradiction #3 On September 21 2011 23:51 Nisani201 wrote: Giving the element to Jackal, hang on guys. When he realized how big of a scumslip that would be (accusing Jackal of being confirmed scum then wanting to give the piece to him) he immediately makes up an excuse for changing his mind: On September 21 2011 23:52 Nisani201 wrote: omg the posts are coming in so quickly, giving it to tnkted instead. So posts coming in quickly was a reason for you to accuse Jackal of being confirmed scum, then suddenly say you're sending him the element (wtf why would you send it to someone you thought was scum) then immediately backtrack when you saw how bad that looked to send it to tnkted? God you're terrible. On September 22 2011 00:19 Nisani201 wrote: OK, I've had enough of this. WBG is being anti-town by criticizing EVERYTHING that's happening. Even if he is not scum, he still needs to die for his hostile behavior. ##Unvote ##Vote: wherebugsgo Voting me and saying I need to die even if I'm not scum? Dude, can you get more anti-town? | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:57 Forumite wrote: Setting the facts straight: I got my piece of Honesty with the Day 1 post, not with the rolepost, it was around a realtime day between those. same here. I actually incorrectly assumed it was night 1 precisely because of this reason; the two posts were fairly fair apart in my inbox thanks to the PMs I'd received inbetween my role PM and the piece PM. Also, Nisani's mistake is NOT something a townie would do. On its own, perhaps, but there are numerous other things that make him look terrible. I know townies can play bad and all, but this takes it to a new level. It's not just about this one mistake. He's done nothing good for town all game, and as you can see in my post above he's contradicted himself several times over despite all his posts being fluff. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:04 Nisani201 wrote: Uh oh, you've suffered from Filter Syndrome. Again. This is annoying, and I'm not even going to bother defending myself against this because of how much bullshit it is. I guess I will have to write an analysis against you. Really, I shouldn't have to convince people that you're scum, but unfortunately it's come to that. You're not even rebutting any of my points. You know why? Cause you can't. No one plays this bad as town, and you know it. Also, you'll have to fabricate an analysis against me now because I called you out on your bluff, the bluff no one else noticed because everyone else in this town is named Derpyhooves and can't see scum when they're flinging mud in their faces. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:10 Lucidity wrote: Don't even bother. Unless you want another no lynch. TODAY WE LYNCH FORUMITE / JACKAL / CURU WBG: Go look at Cyber_Cheese's posts. And DAD's. How are you not attacking him, but going after Nisani instead? The former takes trolling/bad town play/whatthewhat to a whole new level. Because on principle I stay away from lynching lurkers. This is why Nisani wasn't my #1 choice on day 1. He was lurking too much and there wasn't enough information. Now he's been alive for 3 days and there's a gold mine of information despite all his posts being absolute one liner fluff. There are no scum tells with cyber. He's dumb town to me. At this stage in the game we lynch with what we know, and we know Nisani is a much worse detriment to town than Cyber_Cheese. Read my posts that outline Nisani's contradictions. Look at his play from a mafia perspective and tell me where my analysis is wrong. If you keep dismissing my arguments without actually considering them then I'm going to have to assume that you're doing it for anti-town reasons too. Would I be okay with lynching Cyber_Cheese? I would be if you actually made a case on him that I agree with, and atm you just keep asserting that he's the better lynch without actually providing justification for what makes Nisani a bad lynch and what makes Cyber a good one. | ||
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Anyway, the answer is still there, he's lurking and there's no info. Nisani is a better lynch to me. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:15 Lucidity wrote: If there is even the hint of a no lynch tonight please just lynch me. I'm over this town. And I realise my frustration has caused me to also play badly. Just derp. @Everyone: State your opinions on FORUMITE JACKAL CURU believe me, you're not the only frustrated one. This town is one of the worst ones I've played in yet. Worse than XLIV even. Granted, part of it is obviously my fault as a member of town but I don't really think I'm playing as bad as I did in my first ever game (XLIV) As for your questions: Forumite I've had moments were I thought Forumite could swing mafia, but now I think that's an exception to the rule. For the most part I've had a town read on him. The way he argued with me over the PM debacle did not seem like something mafia would do. They don't straight up take on another player in a reasonable argument. He was being logical and he was presenting well reasoned points despite us being in disagreement. That's constructive to town and I don't really see that as mafia play. In addition, he was extremely easy for me to read as non-town in Cosmic. As soon as I replaced into the game I knew that he would be a top suspect. Going on the little bit of that part of his meta that I know, I don't think he'd act like this as mafia. (or third party) + Show Spoiler + Damn scum Jackal shot me when I fell asleep and missed the freaking 6 am deadline otherwise I'd actually have put my suspicions in that game out there :p Jackal There are arguments that can be made for both sides here but I say town, primarily because tnkted is still alive and for the most part the things they both did were either extremely pro-town or the sickest mafia gambit ever. While I realize it's possible Jackal could've gambited (like he did in Cosmic with JeeJee) I doubt it. Curu Curu's play has been absolutely terrible this game. At first I gave him the benefit of the doubt because of LOTR and his general inactivity, but now it's beginning to bother me. He could be mafia, and I think he's the most likely to be mafia in this group. I'd actually like Forumite's opinion on Curu, since they're both in the same QT. Would I vote any of these guys? Nah, not today. Today Nisani is the best lynch. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:33 Lucidity wrote: @WBG: I don't think Nisani has acted more scummy than other derpers. Look at your own case. You say that he contradicted himself by calling Jackal scum and then giving the element to Jackal. But he called him scum when he thought Jackal was lying about the element of honesty. ONLY AFTER he realised he had Generosity and Jackal wasn't scum for having Honesty did he consider giving it to him. Why are you giving him excuses? First of all, Nisani could've said that himself (which he didn't.) Second, he obviously didn't read the thread or he'd know that both Jackal and tnkted were the closest to being confirmed town yesterday. Thus he would've NEVER suspected Jackal no matter what he said! He was looking for an easy way to pin someone else as a target instead of himself. Also, he wanted to give it to Jackal even before he realized he had generosity. Look: On September 21 2011 22:24 Nisani201 wrote: If there isn't a specific person who needs it then I will give it to tnkted or Jackal. Just look at how his vote pattern goes. It goes from me, to Jackal, to Cyber all in the process of him tunneling me for no reason, fake claiming and trying to paint Jackal as scum, then immediately trying to lose the heat. In the process of trying to lose the heat he says "oh shit fuck I'm going to get lynched now" and votes Cyber again. Why the hell are you defending him? | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:47 Lucidity wrote: Are you reading his filter or the thread? Read the thread and it becomes quite clear what happened. He wanted to give it to one of them. THen Jackal said he already had Honest and voted Nisani. Then Nisani thought Jackal was scum for fake claiming it. Then he realised he derped and said he'd give it to Jackal again. Make sense? I'm trying to point out to you that you're tunneling. And I think you're tunneling anti/bad town play instead of pro scum. I'm reading both. It still makes sense from a mafia perspective! If he was pro town he would NEVER claim honesty. Claiming honesty screams anti town because it telegraphs to us that he has not been reading the thread. Tell me, what has Nisani done for town this game? Also, of course it's pro-scum play. He gets another day free when he splits the vote and basically abstains by voting me, Jackal, cyber, or whoever else he chooses who is extremely unlikely to get lynched. What do you say about him saying he'll post analysis on me and then not coming up with it? What do you say about him saying he suspects the outliers and the other voters but only focusing on me? Is that all "anti-town" play too and doesn't warrant us lynching him? I'm starting to think you guys are scum buddies. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:54 Lucidity wrote: Forumite is confirmed scum at this point. If he believed he had the element of Honesty. And Jackal comes into the thread and says he has it. He's obviously going to jump right on that shit and vote Jackal. How is that not obvious? Explain the logic to me if he were scum. How does his actions make any sense as scum? wtf I've been trying to explain it for like two pages and you keep ignoring the majority of the points I make | ||
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