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On September 19 2011 08:07 Lucidity wrote: Erm? And nice work on the false dilemma. The alternative is LYNCHING SCUM IN WBG. Not a no lynch. And riddle me this: Why did WBG vote for both you and Jackal at a stage that he claims he believed you were town? Please read the part of my analysis on WBG that deals with you and the claims at least. And comment on it. Why am I more scummy than WBG? Everyone that votes for me needs to state this clearly so that we can find the scum on me after I die. @Everyone: I haven't played with tnkted before. Is he considered a good player? If we're lynching all liars, we should be lynching you because you're the biggest liar in town. I didn't believe Jackal OR tnkted when I voted them. Why the fuck would I vote them if I believed them? Once I got enough information out of Jackal as to what tnkted did (I figured tnkted sent Jackal a piece) I figured it out and took my vote off, and breadcrumbed that I had a piece too. Then, lastly, I sent a piece to tnkted. If I was scum, genius, why would I send my piece to confirmed town, when the consolidation of those pieces gives town better abilities? God you're thick. | ||
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##vote Lucidity If I haven't done so already, I don't remember if I took my vote off Nisani | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:01 Lucidity wrote: He might have thought that him getting it Day 2 ties in with Chaos dying. He might have wanted to remove that possibility from the table completely. If he had said Day 2 I would have immediately brought up the idea that scum get the elements of their night kill victims. So that was smart of him. The first time he "breadcrumbs" that he has the element is after tnkted/jackal on Day 2. Come. On. I never said Day 2, good god. I said N1, which would have been Sept 15 (sinani's death) This was wrong, since the PM I received from GM at that time was for something else. I received the piece PM on September 13th, or Day 1, but AFTER my role PM. It was not with a daypost. | ||
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I'm now unsure about tnkted and Jackal too. If this is a scum gambit it's a fucking good one, cause tnkted is voting me when I fucking gave him a piece. Are you stupid or are you scum? | ||
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You're using WIFOM to lynch me now? | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:51 Forumite wrote: Lucidity explained all the points against you. Claiming you got your item N1 to conform with tnkted+Jackal, changing your mind once Nisani confirmed my claim on a D1 item, heavily pushing for Jackal to confess when you should have figured it out allready. If we ignore the fact that you gave up your piece, then you look more scummy than Lucidity. These are all false. My claim of n1 was a mistake. I actually came out and said that myself (why would I do that as scum? I could've just kept quiet about it, it wouldn't have made a difference.) You guys are trying to use the N1 claim to label me as mafia when that's blatantly false. I never suspected you, Forumite. If I'd suspected you I would've voted you. | ||
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If you want to kill me for that, fine, since obviously I can't reason with any of you. No matter what I could've done I would've appeared scummy apparently. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:55 Forumite wrote: He was reluctant to accept me as a possible holder, not wanting to give up his piece before leaving for a long while, only doing it after I gave up mine and thereby forced him to do the same. It might as well have been a scum gambit, with all the trouble we went through to get that piece. So now my RL reason for leaving during the day is a reason for me being scum? What kind of shit is this? Read your own argument dude, it's not making any sense. I left because I needed to go eat and attend a Michael Moore event here in Berkeley last night (go google it if you don't believe me) After 4 hours I was back and the first thing I did was PM GMarshal to send the piece to tnkted. I didn't even know you gave up yours BECAUSE I WAS GONE. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:55 Jackal58 wrote: Would you please refrain from this? If I want to listen to somebody call others stupid all night I'll go watch tv with my wife. yeah it's a little frustrating when no one listens to reason. I apologize. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:58 Forumite wrote: It is probably a mistake, but at the time it made me look bad, and it took until Nisani vouched for me before you rechecked, before then I was risking a lynch. It doesn´t matter if it was a mistake or not, what happened fit what a scum would do in order to get me lynched, or maybe trick me into sending you my piece before then. We can´t verify the truth behind it, and it looks bad. So I'm scum because I made you look bad? Lol. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:02 Forumite wrote: I tried to resolve the issue before you had to go, I even suggested sending to Jackal. Waiting would just delay needlessly, and cut 4 hours out of that day, because we focused on the elements and the holders instead of scumhunting. It´s not that you went away that looks bad, but that you stalled until you had to go. I didn't stall. I was thinking about whether to give the piece to you, or to tnkted. I was debating whether or not tnkted and Jackal were gambiting as scum to get the pieces. If they were scumbuddies and gambitting to get the pieces it would make sense for them to confirm each other (and the timing of it also makes sense) Think about this: why would tnkted send Jackal his piece? He was never in danger of dying at the time it came about. I was pushing real hard for his lynch the next day, if he was worried about being lynched he could have sent the piece later. The timing of it was very weird to me. Then, ofc, at first I didn't understand the claim. I didn't really know how Jackal could confirm tnkted (and vice versa). I didn't think about PM circles. I didn't think about the pieces, until I had made several prods and it was apparent that they were trying to gather them together. So then, I breadcrumbed that I had the piece of honesty to see whether or not they would recognize I understood without me having to blurt it out. That obviously didn't work because Jackal and Lucidity (IIRC) still suspected me. Nisani at the time was my #2 lynch target. Now I'm unsure of him for obvious reasons. So, since I didn't want town to waste time trying to get me lynched I just came out and said that I have the piece of honesty, as it appeared clear to me that no one was going to understand my breadcrumb. Then you guys tell me to do something with it but not tell anyone. Okay, that's fine. Then, do I send it to Forumite, or do I send it to tnkted? I was wondering which would be the better idea. I hadn't really figured out which would be the better choice by the time I left, and I was running late, so I left. That's pretty much it. When I got back I figured that, since I believed Jackal's and tnkted's claims I'd send the piece to tnkted, so I did that. I also posted a clarification that I had actually received the piece at some point on day 1, not night 1 as I erroneously claimed. I didn't even think that was a big of a deal, because it had no bearing on anything. I just said it because I had made a mistake. No one would've been able to tell even if I had just kept quiet about it, but it's better to be honest as town than lie. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:04 Forumite wrote: If you were scum, then it would have been a good way to get an element for Scum, lynch a Townie, at worst at the cost of your life the day after. What are you talking about? If I were scum why the hell would I ever let go of the piece, let alone claim that I had one? Claiming to have it alone is a stupid idea as scum, because that draws a ton of attention. The consolidation of the pieces is something that is important for town. If I were scum I would've happily kept quiet about having a piece and I would've definitely never sent it to tnkted. That would just be suicide. | ||
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ATM I'm unsure on tnkted/Jackal and I don't think they'd make good lynches. Forumite is giving me town vibes and I still feel like Nisani could be scum. Nisani "confirmed" Forumite but I really don't believe he's done anything else all game. It'd be pretty dumb to assume he's town just because of that one thing he's done. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:34 Forumite wrote: A piece does you no good, but if you could get me to send you the other piece, and at the same time get me killed, then it´s 3 town down and an element in Scum hands, in return for your life. Before I sent to tnkted, you were never forced to do the same, and with some persuasion, perhaps I would have sent mine to you without any fuzz. After that, you could have said you hadn´t gotten a piece, and I would have been lynched as a liar. If it wasn´t for Nisani, my breadcrumbs, and tnkted, that could have been a possibility. I don´t have any proof that this would have happened, but it could have happened, if it was anyone else who didn´t breadcrumb or had a Cutie Mark Crusader buddy. And no, I don´t think WBG is scum, just exploring the possibilities here. He could be scum, that´s what I wanted to check. Lucidity, arguing with him makes him look Town to me, despite pushing for WBG. He´s explained what he was up to, and his reasons are not scummy. If he´s scum, then it´s because he´s pushing on someone we want to have confirmed, not because of the way he´s pushing. You have no proof because I never had any sort of intention to do anything like that. Ever. This is horrible, convoluted logic. The simplest explanation wins, and clearly this is not the simplest explanation, because if that's what I wanted to do I would've actually made signs that I wanted your piece. I never asked for it. If I was scum I probably would've hinted that I would be a better recipient than tnkted, but I didn't do that, did I? | ||
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Nisani201 Lucidity Jackal58 tnkted My outlook IMO. | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:01 Forumite wrote: I´m not proving your guilt, just the possibility of guilt, and while it´s convoluted logic, it paints a logical train of thought both from a scum and town perspective. You didn´t have to tell me to give you my piece, it was always on the table, and always one of the ways to clear up the situation. I repeatedly asked you to make up your mind about giving your piece to me. You could have said that you didn´t trust me, that I should give you my piece. I was waiting for an answer, on if I would get the piece or if I should give mine away, because I felt a lynch coming on. Before Nisani vouched for me, there was enough pressure that I might have given you the piece just to keep it among living ponies. It could have worked, and that you didn´t say you wanted the piece doesn´t mean anything, because it was always the most likely outcome, thanks to your mistake with the PM. This doesn't make sense. First of all, I thought it would be best to give the piece to one of you or tnkted without saying who received it. Then I realized it didn't matter if I did it that way and decided to just say that I'd given it to tnkted in the thread. Never once did it cross my mind that you would think of giving me the piece. It just doesn't make sense to give me the piece, and it didn't make sense to me to give my piece to you either. Both of us were unconfirmed at this point in time, so the proper choice would've been between tnkted and Jackal. I chose to give it to tnkted because it was public that my choice was between you and tnkted. Lastly, there was never any pressure for you to get lynched and you know that. I don't understand why you're saying that now, it's not making sense to me in the slightest. | ||
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