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Ok I need to go to sleep now.
If I end up being lynched it should be easy to find the scum on me.
tnkted has refused to respond to my defense of his analysis on me. He has called me "very town" but still thinks I should be lynched. If he is considered a good player, his play has been very bad this game. Since Day 2 I have operated under the assumption that he was just a derping townie, but if he is actually pushing an agenda and I get lynched I don't think we should discount the possibility that he gambited by giving his element to Jackal.
If Forumite ends up on my lynch he is easily scum. Please look at my posts regarding him in the early game and chaos' case against him. Since Night 1 Forumite has only posted Fluff and talked about the elements. His only attempt at scum hunting was an extremely weak case against me. He has now stated that he doesn't believe I'm scum anymore so that's self explanatory...
I guess WBG will just put his vote wherever he can avoid his own death.
DONT LET A NO LYNCH OCCUR. Even if that means I have to die. At least we find scum if I die.
Jackal, why are you diverting the lynch away from WBG to Sevryn? You didn't even provide a case on him. That's really troubling me. I had thought you were very town before you did that. If a no lynch occurs because Jackal pushed a Lurker lynch make sure to look in to him more thoroughly.
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No lynch was the worst possible outcome for yesterday. Now we're right back where we started. Effectively we're going to redo Day 2 with 1 less townie. Lynching me would have been better than a no lynch.
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On September 19 2011 09:30 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 09:21 tnkted wrote:
Ugh that clears up a lot. Rereading thread.
FTR I'd rather not lynch jackal because he's the only other townie I feel 100% on Unfortunately We don't know your alignment, so saying you feel he is 100% town doesn't mean much to us. There are 3 senarios as I see it: 1) you are both green and everything you said is true 2) you are both red and performing the most epic gambit of all time 3) jackal is red and you are green, he is gambiting to make you believe he is green. Of all the senarios I dont feel 3 is nearly as likely as the other 2, because jackal gave you his piece, as did WBG. On that note you believe jackal because he gave you his piece, but you dont believe WBG even though he gave you his piece? maybe I'm missing something, enlighten me. Anyway we need to confirm that #1 is definatly the senario we have here. the only way I can see to do that is to lynch jackal today. a DT check on him tonight would be unreliable because of the possiblity of insanity, framer, godfather, and whatever the hell else is lurking in ponyville that we dont know about.
You forgot scenario #4. tnkted is scum and Jackal is town. I think out of #3 and #4, #4 is more likely. tnkted had made no mention about his element or that he gave it to Jackal in the thread. Jackal could have easily killed him if he were red. I think #3 can almost be completely disregarded.
#4 however makes sense if we consider that tnkted was the first in line to be lynched on Day 2. Doing what he did saved his skin on Day 2, there's no doubt about that.
If we're going to lynch someone to confirm a townie, it should be tnkted to confirm Jackal, not the other way around. Lynching Jackal doesn't confirm anything. But we shouldn't be lynching to confirm anyone anyway. Please stop suggesting that o; The info we gain should be a byproduct of us hunting scum.
I'm done with assuming tnkted is town. For most of Day 2 I assumed that his play was that of a Townie making mistakes. I'm not going to be giving him that leeway anymore. I went in to Day 2 believing he was scummy. His actions during the lynch saga between me and WBG were scummy. I'll have a closer look at it today.
WBG: How did you forget when you got the element? I can't fathom how such a thing could ever happen. Please try to make me understand it.
At anyone who pushed for a no lynch who is actually town: You suck.
At inactive replacements who turn out to be inactive themselves............ You suck.
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On September 19 2011 19:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 18:44 Lucidity wrote:
No lynch was the worst possible outcome for yesterday. Now we're right back where we started. Effectively we're going to redo Day 2 with 1 less townie. Lynching me would have been better than a no lynch. And if your town, that makes it Day 3 with with 2 less townies? Mis-lynches are not things to be desired, I'd rather be fairly sure about my targets. Unfortunately I didn't have more time over the weekend to see through the thread, I'm checking it over now and I'll post more tomorrow. In the meantime, don't take my initial impression too heavily unless I end up dead.
But we could analyse agendas and interactions. We would have moved further in the game. Now we're not. Night kills don't give us any info, unless scum make a bad choice.
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The fact that you had to go look at your PM dates is what worries me.
If you got it on Day 1 you would not have forgottend that you had that knowledge during Day 1. You would have had to consider whether to release the info in the thread. Who to send it to? Or should you keep it? etc etc. You would have had to think about these things in the context of Day 1. That's why I can't believe that you forgot when you got the element.
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Scum is more concerned with staying alive than keeping the elements. If you thought you were going to be lynched Day 2, it would make sense to gamble with an element.
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If anyone is to blame for the no-lynch, it is Jackal, Forumite and greymist. There is AT LEAST one scum in there. Don't forget it.
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Cyber_Cheese has been extremely active in LOTR Mafia.
Crickets here.
I hate this shit. Half of the players left are inactive.
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On September 20 2011 12:09 tnkted wrote:EEP SORRY BAND PRACTICE WENT LATE, THE DRIVER WOULDNT DRIVE ME SO I HAD TO BIKE Okay last night I roleblocked forumite with my role ability (haunting sounds lol) and used the wifom from whether I'd use the bulletproof or the medic to use neither ability and instead used the name check on lucidity. Lucidity is Derpy Hooves, the confused Pegasus. Lucidity, are you some kind of tracker/watcher thingie? Because I think you're confused. Needless to say, I didn't believe your bluff about not having any abilities, and I think this probably confirms that you got something happening. On the plus side, I think you're probably town since it's unlikely that mafia would have a non-sane role.
My role pm does mention that I'm always confused and messing up, but it also says I have no special powers.
I'm not sure if there are any blues in this game. All 4 ponies have been green so far. I think our blue roles are all tied up in the stones most likely. I'm not sure if my role PM is just flavour or if it means I'll get opposite results when I use any abilities.
Speaking of elements, tnkted, don't send yours to Jackal yet. I don't like that he asked for them so soon. Mafia can only touch you in 72 hours... Why does he need them now?
The fact that tnkted revealed this info makes me believe he is town. If he gave away his element of harmony AND confirmed me as town... well, he's creating a lot of trouble for his scum team.
I received one part of the element of kindness on Night 2. I propose that everyone who received elements of kindness send them to me. We need some diversity (all eggs in 1 basket and all that) and if you trust tnkted, you can trust me.
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Oh my bad, tnkted is blue. I think my role PM is just flavour text then.
Who did you Roleblock on Night1? How is that a townie role?
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I don't know what it does. It needs to be combined to be useful.
I don't think it's in our best interest to send all the stones to one person yet. Perhaps when all of them are combined we can take the chance. Any basic finance class will tell you that diversification is good. Let's not concentrate our risk on one person...
Your actions this game have confused me tnkted. I've seen your play as scummy, but you've made two big anti-scum decisions in releasing your element to jackal and releasing the info about my role. I'm willing to lean towards you being town, and not scum going for town cred. Even so, that doesn't make you an automatic choice for all elements immediately. You could still be scum. You could do silly things with the elements, like giving it to Jackal at inappropriate times. I'd rather keep this element with me.
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On September 21 2011 02:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I've been going about this all the wrong way, I tried to write an epic wall of text on who the mafia were to make up for my lurking, and it was horrible, so I'm thinking we take a different approach
So far the discussion is too based on elements, pm circles and pony lore.
We all know there is probably three scum left, and I think it would be best if town got organized and sorted out who is most likely to be scum, so I'm thinking everybody post the three people you think most likely to be mafia and why
Mine is the cutie mark crusaders for the reasons I listed a page ago
An organized town is mafias worst enemy, we can analyse people that appear on everybodys lists and crosscheck with the lynch today etc with that information.
Fluff.
Bad logic.
Lurker.
Scum.
##Vote Cyber_Cheese
Explain to me why all 3 scum would out themselves and talk about their QT in the thread?
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On September 21 2011 03:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:01 Lucidity wrote:On September 21 2011 02:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I've been going about this all the wrong way, I tried to write an epic wall of text on who the mafia were to make up for my lurking, and it was horrible, so I'm thinking we take a different approach
So far the discussion is too based on elements, pm circles and pony lore.
We all know there is probably three scum left, and I think it would be best if town got organized and sorted out who is most likely to be scum, so I'm thinking everybody post the three people you think most likely to be mafia and why
Mine is the cutie mark crusaders for the reasons I listed a page ago
An organized town is mafias worst enemy, we can analyse people that appear on everybodys lists and crosscheck with the lynch today etc with that information. Fluff. Bad logic. Lurker. Scum. ##Vote Cyber_CheeseExplain to me why all 3 scum would out themselves and talk about their QT in the thread? So what exactly about the plan is bad logic or scummy? I'm a replacement who's been largely inactive in this game, rather than need to go through and make a very solid case that explained everything I thought about everyone, I could go about it and lay a trap for scum to waltz into, and you waltz'd perfectly. Especially since your strongest 'evidence' in throwing that vote on me was the arguments I admitted to being particularly weak yesterday AND you are not a part of those three people that declared to have a circle. If we needed evidence on Lucidity, this seems to be it. ##Unvote Forumite##Vote Lucidity
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Cyber_Cheese is either incredibly bad, or scum. I would like to see him die. But we can keep him around for comedic effect.
Today, either Forumite or Jackal should die.
Thoughts?
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On September 21 2011 04:55 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 04:35 Lucidity wrote:
Cyber_Cheese is either incredibly bad, or scum. I would like to see him die. But we can keep him around for comedic effect.
Today, either Forumite or Jackal should die.
Thoughts? I find your dismissal of my plan extremely bad AND scummy For some reason, all you've said about it is Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:01 Lucidity wrote:
Fluff.
Bad logic.
Lurker.
Scum.
##Vote Cyber_Cheese
Explain to me why all 3 scum would out themselves and talk about their QT in the thread? and posted a random unrelated video. Until you have some logic backing up the Fluff, Bad logic and Scum statements, you aren't in much of a position to decree anything.
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On September 19 2011 11:07 GMarshal wrote:
It is now night 2! You have 24 actions to get actions in to me. Dreamflower did not vote, and will be replaced in the next 24 hours or modkilled with the day post. I still need 2 replacements
What happened with this?
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On September 21 2011 06:33 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 06:14 Nisani201 wrote:On September 21 2011 03:37 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
^that aside, it's still a good idea that everybody follow through with the plan, and with this in mind Forumite Curu and Lucidity are my current mafia suspects, Forumite and Curu because chaos FoS'd them both and Lucidity is self explanatory. This post does not make sense, if Forumite and Cury are mafia, then I must be mafia too (unless GM is epic trolling me). You're starting to get to dangerously close to WBG's level. I actually agree with this. I cannot believe that GM would put 1 town with 2 scum . Forumite is giving me really bad vibes and is right now my number one target. We cannot lynch based on the assumption that 1 out of three people are mafia anymore. If dreamflower is getting modkilled then we will be dangerously close to mylo/lylo already. that forumite is in that circle is a bonus , though :D
Is that a scumslip?
GM had no problem instakilling 3 townies in XLIV, so this delay makes me think dreamflower might be mafia ;p
And just ignore Cyber_Cheese's posts.
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I feel like Curu is testing how badly he can play without getting lynched in this game.
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Is no one going to come forward with the elements of Kindness?
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