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@lucidity: You don't get to decide when I respond to you, since you're the one on the block right now, but since we're short of time lets pretend that I was entirely satisfied with everything you wrote. I want you to answer this:
On September 19 2011 06:44 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 06:33 Lucidity wrote:
Are you fucking with me?
She has been completely inactive. I haven't seen scum being modkilled before so I put it on hold. I'm pretty sure the replacement is for her. She has had scummy ideas wrt lurkers and no lynch, but WBG is much more scummy imo.
You're willing to lynch me because I'm not going after an inactive player? That's terrible.
How am I more scummy than WBG? Explain this to me please. WBG's role as tracker only explains his tunneling of one candidate on his last day. The rest of his play was not influenced by that. WBG voted for tnkted AND jackal while he apparently believed their claim. Explain this to me. WBG forgot when he received the element of harmony. Explain this to me. !@$^&@#^ WBG repeatedly pointed out how scummy sinani was, but "never supported the lynch". EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.
Forumite SKIMMED MY ANALYSIS. SKIMMED. What the fuck is that. This is retarded.
If you're town, how can you possibly think your contribution is passable greymist? What do you think about the fact that I recieved both forumite and WBG's pieces? They weren't lying about having them at all. Which means that they probably aren't lying about when they got them either. How does that fit in the pattern?
This is the third time you've been asked this and you have ignored it every time, which is weird, since (if it can be reconciled) its the strongest part of your analysis.
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On September 19 2011 06:51 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 06:49 Jackal58 wrote:
I'm thinking Lucidity is probably town. I think he's wrong but right now I'm thinking he's probably town.
Sevryn, Curu and Cyber_Cheese need some love though.
##VOTE: Sevryn
What makes him seem scummy to you?
The same scenario being painted on Lucidity and WBG. Except he's disappeared.
So have Curu and Cyber Cheese.
And WBG is a bit of an obnoxious turd at times. He's been that way in every game I've played with him. It's not a scum tell. It's an ass tell.
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Lucidity, while WBG could have been lying about when he got the piece, why was it better to say N1 than D2? Scum lie, but they usually need a reason to lie, why didn´t he just say D2 immediately?
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Because it didn't match up with the N1 claims of tnkted and Jackal.
I refuse to believe that he forgot when he got the item. It is inconceivable.
Jackal, how is Sevryn the best candidate? I cannot imagine that all 4 people who have elements are pro-town. Of those 4, Forumite and WBG have been acting the scummiest.
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He might have thought that him getting it Day 2 ties in with Chaos dying. He might have wanted to remove that possibility from the table completely. If he had said Day 2 I would have immediately brought up the idea that scum get the elements of their night kill victims. So that was smart of him.
The first time he "breadcrumbs" that he has the element is after tnkted/jackal on Day 2.
Come. On.
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On September 19 2011 06:58 Lucidity wrote:
Because it didn't match up with the N1 claims of tnkted and Jackal.
I refuse to believe that he forgot when he got the item. It is inconceivable.
Jackal, how is Sevryn the best candidate? I cannot imagine that all 4 people who have elements are pro-town. Of those 4, Forumite and WBG have been acting the scummiest.
I agree that it is bizarre that he forgot when he got the item, it's super weird that they both got it d1, but he wasn't lying about HAVING IT. Which means that they definately recieved the items, which means they have zero reason to lie about when they got them. Are you following what I'm saying?
Also I think three other people have items as well (curu nisani and somebody else). Toss that shit my way yo, I'll throw it back when I know what the dealio with 'em is.
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On September 19 2011 06:55 tnkted wrote:@lucidity: You don't get to decide when I respond to you, since you're the one on the block right now, but since we're short of time lets pretend that I was entirely satisfied with everything you wrote. I want you to answer this: Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 06:44 tnkted wrote:On September 19 2011 06:33 Lucidity wrote:
Are you fucking with me?
She has been completely inactive. I haven't seen scum being modkilled before so I put it on hold. I'm pretty sure the replacement is for her. She has had scummy ideas wrt lurkers and no lynch, but WBG is much more scummy imo.
You're willing to lynch me because I'm not going after an inactive player? That's terrible.
How am I more scummy than WBG? Explain this to me please. WBG's role as tracker only explains his tunneling of one candidate on his last day. The rest of his play was not influenced by that. WBG voted for tnkted AND jackal while he apparently believed their claim. Explain this to me. WBG forgot when he received the element of harmony. Explain this to me. !@$^&@#^ WBG repeatedly pointed out how scummy sinani was, but "never supported the lynch". EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.
Forumite SKIMMED MY ANALYSIS. SKIMMED. What the fuck is that. This is retarded.
If you're town, how can you possibly think your contribution is passable greymist? What do you think about the fact that I recieved both forumite and WBG's pieces? They weren't lying about having them at all. Which means that they probably aren't lying about when they got them either. How does that fit in the pattern? This is the third time you've been asked this and you have ignored it every time, which is weird, since (if it can be reconciled) its the strongest part of your analysis.
How does that prove my innocence? If you're happy with my defense and you can't reconcile WBG's lies, how does that make me scum?
Anyway, those two things aren't related at all. I'm not saying he lied about when he got the piece because he didn't have it. I'm saying he lied, because there's no way he could have forgotten when he got it. Possible reasons for not telling us it's Day 1 from the start include:
- He got it on Day 2 and didn't want to invite any relation to Chaos' death.
- He wanted to make it more believable by claiming the same date as you and Jackal
- Someone else on the scum team got it in a PM and WBG screwed up the dates.
There is no way he forgot when he got it if he's town.
I cannot belive that.
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On September 19 2011 06:58 Lucidity wrote:
Because it didn't match up with the N1 claims of tnkted and Jackal.
I refuse to believe that he forgot when he got the item. It is inconceivable.
WBG saying he got it N1 because the others got it then, which made me look bad, until people believe and Nisani201 claimed, at which point it looked less scummy if he got it D2 instead of N1. It does look scummy, if he was hoping to get me lynched. I don´t know, it felt like a weak case then, but perhaps it would have gone to a lynch if it wasn´t for Nisani201.
Okay, WBG did look scummy then, but he gave up his piece in the end.
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On September 19 2011 06:58 Lucidity wrote:
Because it didn't match up with the N1 claims of tnkted and Jackal.
I refuse to believe that he forgot when he got the item. It is inconceivable.
Jackal, how is Sevryn the best candidate? I cannot imagine that all 4 people who have elements are pro-town. Of those 4, Forumite and WBG have been acting the scummiest.
There are more than 4 shards in play. There are 6 elements. That makes 12 pieces if GMarshall split them all in half. 2 day 1, 2 night 1, 2 day 2, see where I'm going?
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btw, just got loyalty back, I'm immune to a night kill. Do you want it back, jackal, or should I hold onto it and protect you tonight?
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He had no choice but to give up his piece at that point.
I didn't notice that he only said it was Day 1 after Nisani confirmed your claim. That makes it even more scummy.
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On September 19 2011 07:08 tnkted wrote:
btw, just got loyalty back, I'm immune to a night kill. Do you want it back, jackal, or should I hold onto it and protect you tonight?
Do what you feel is best. If you're immune and can protect do that. If not don't tell me what you do. I'll know either way.
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On September 19 2011 07:08 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 06:58 Lucidity wrote:
Because it didn't match up with the N1 claims of tnkted and Jackal.
I refuse to believe that he forgot when he got the item. It is inconceivable.
Jackal, how is Sevryn the best candidate? I cannot imagine that all 4 people who have elements are pro-town. Of those 4, Forumite and WBG have been acting the scummiest. There are more than 4 shards in play. There are 6 elements. That makes 12 pieces if GMarshall split them all in half. 2 day 1, 2 night 1, 2 day 2, see where I'm going?
If that's how it works, certain people will have to get more than 1 element... which is possible I guess.
If I get lynched, I want you to keep in mind that it's likely that there are only 5 elements and that combining all 5 creates the 6th. At least it was the "Friendship" of the ponies that created the last element in the story and vanquished Nightmare Moon. "Friendship" might win us the game in this instantly if we combine the 5 elements with a protown player. That's just my guess.
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On September 19 2011 07:10 Lucidity wrote:
He had no choice but to give up his piece at that point.
I didn't notice that he only said it was Day 1 after Nisani confirmed your claim. That makes it even more scummy.
No, you're not following me. What I'm saying is that since they both had pieces it doesn't make sense for them to lie about the time they got them.
Lucidity, buddy, I want you to convince me since you are acting so town right now. I agree with you that it's incredible that WBG and forumite got their shit d1 and that WBG forgot when he got his piece, but I can't wrap my head around the fact that there is ZERO reason for them to have lied.
And @ Jackal: if there are really 12 pieces in the game, then that means everybody but lucidity got one, which means that when siani and chaos died their pieces were RNG'd which means two people got an extra shard, which means that they should claim so.
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On September 19 2011 07:10 Lucidity wrote:
He had no choice but to give up his piece at that point.
I didn't notice that he only said it was Day 1 after Nisani confirmed your claim. That makes it even more scummy.
The point isn't that he gave it up. The point is he claimed he had it. Ballsy move if he's scum. Plus scum lost a chance at the item. So I'm thinking there are some held by scum and they aren't telling us. I'm also thinking scum are mad as hell at GMarshall right now. Especially if all 4 of us are indeed confirmed townies.
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On September 19 2011 07:10 Lucidity wrote:
He had no choice but to give up his piece at that point.
I didn't notice that he only said it was Day 1 after Nisani confirmed your claim. That makes it even more scummy.
Ah, missed that, I thought he said he got it D2. So he got his piece when I got mine, not later on D2 when Chaos13 died. Changing to fit what looks best, that´s bad. The lack of breadcrumbing would work if he got his D2, but I would think he´d at least try to get the attention of someone if he got it D1.
Could it have been a gambit to lure out an element, perhaps trick me into giving him my piece?
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On September 19 2011 07:14 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 07:10 Lucidity wrote:
He had no choice but to give up his piece at that point.
I didn't notice that he only said it was Day 1 after Nisani confirmed your claim. That makes it even more scummy. No, you're not following me. What I'm saying is that since they both had pieces it doesn't make sense for them to lie about the time they got them. Lucidity, buddy, I want you to convince me since you are acting so town right now. I agree with you that it's incredible that WBG and forumite got their shit d1 and that WBG forgot when he got his piece, but I can't wrap my head around the fact that there is ZERO reason for them to have lied. And @ Jackal: if there are really 12 pieces in the game, then that means everybody but lucidity got one, which means that when siani and chaos died their pieces were RNG'd which means two people got an extra shard, which means that they should claim so.
Not necessarily. They apparently weren't all released at the same time. Might not all be in play yet.
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I listed possible reasons earlier tnkted.
Judging by how convinced you were Forumite was scum for having it on Day 1, it made sense for WBG to stay on his N1 claim.
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On September 19 2011 07:14 tnkted wrote:
And @ Jackal: if there are really 12 pieces in the game, then that means everybody but lucidity got one, which means that when siani and chaos died their pieces were RNG'd which means two people got an extra shard, which means that they should claim so.
There are probably 10-12 pieces in the game, but we only know for sure that 4 have been distributed, Loyalty on N1 and Honesty on D1, the other 6-8 are probably waiting to be sent out, or perhaps 2 have been sent out but the owners are keeping quiet.
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On September 19 2011 07:18 Lucidity wrote:
I listed possible reasons earlier tnkted.
Judging by how convinced you were Forumite was scum for having it on Day 1, it made sense for WBG to stay on his N1 claim.
Can you quote your reasons? (also it makes it easier for me to read what exactly you're responding to if you quote my post when you respond)
And yes, that's why either they both have to be scum or they both have to be town; as scum, bussing forumite there was the correct thing to do.
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