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On September 15 2011 09:32 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 09:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 15 2011 08:47 Forumite wrote:
When is the deadline?
WBG, I understand that tnkted is a likely scum, but he won´t be lynched today. Your vote is wasted on tnkted, or worse, the reason we get a no-lynch. Oops, I just noticed we only have 6 votes on Sinani. I thought we had 7. ##unvote tnkted
##vote sinani206I've kept my vote on tnkted because I don't think sinani would be bandwagoned so fast if he was scum. We also still have 2 hours left in the day so I don't think it's a huge deal anyway. Assuming 3 scum, then there are plenty of players to form a bandwagon without scum.
That rarely, if ever, happens. Townies aren't smart enough to consolidate on scum so fast this early in the game.
I'll actually be pretty surprised if sinani is scum, I just don't believe a bandwagon on a scum would pile up so fast. I've never seen a scum go down without it being bloody difficult to get even two votes on him.
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On September 15 2011 11:02 sinani206 wrote:
lol i think i might win an award for most deaths as town day 1
I think you only win awards for good things, mate.
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On September 15 2011 10:34 DroneAllDay wrote:well damn I decided to read the thread more (I'll be honest, i skimmed cuz i was afraid the vote was coming soon and I figured that i needed to vote then) filtering Curu's posts and not looking at them at 6:30 A.M. well that vote was how you say really REALLY + Show Spoiler + dumb Sorry about that, thankfully my classes are gonna be lighter for now so I won't be doing this again. So with that, reading(NOTE: NOT SKIMMING) this time Nisani has too many posts with too little content (some of nothing useful and others of agreement) Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 10:39 Nisani201 wrote:
I don't have a favorite pony, because I love ALL of the ponies in Ponyville! Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 01:01 Nisani201 wrote:
god damnit you guys
talk about the GODDAMN MAFIA that's going to kill us all do horrible things to us! Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 08:28 Nisani201 wrote:On September 13 2011 08:25 Jackal58 wrote:Did you guys know diphallia is a common disorder amongst the sub order Eunectes of constrictors? nowai Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 14:37 Nisani201 wrote:
Me: I believe in pressuring lurkers, but not lynching them.
Curu: WTF man, you want to lynch lurkers, but you're not!!! OMG SCUM HERPADERP and wherebugsgo found this which I find interesting Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 00:57 Nisani201 wrote:
Also, I might not be as active during this portion of day becauSBe Minecraft 1.8 is out, and I will probably have a lot of homework. You had a problem with me being inactive (BECAUSE I WAS SLEEPING) but you are planning on being less active during the most important part of the day? The day ends in like 3 hours. Also, you even said you wanted to hear from Forumite but you knew he is in another time zone and that's why you knew he wouldn't respond till later. So why did it never cross your mind that I could be sleeping as well? Nice double standards, scum. and so with that ##UNVOTE##Vote:Nisani201
lol wtf just noticed.
This is actually reallyy shady -_-
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...fuck.
I need a break from this. I'll be back later.
+ Show Spoiler +although I will admit the number of times sinani switched gender in that post is really hilarious
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I did it because people hate no-lynch.
I agree that, in hindsight I should've forced a no lynch. Then, instead of you attacking me for casting the hammer Forumite and Jackal would be attacking me for being responsible for a no lynch. I can't please everyone.
What would've been best is if I'd convinced you all to lynch tnkted instead but no one was listening to me.
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I'm on my phone and just reading, don't have much time. I'll be back in an hour or two when I have computer access to clarify as much as I can.
Dreamflower, my case on tnkted yesterday was basically three things:
He's had a few situations in which he's been wishy washy. He backed off Greymist despite saying his defense was unsatisfactory.
He sheeped Lucidity's opinion and randomly voted you. He didn't seem to contribute anything.
Lastly, he has an air of wanting to blend in to me. I feel like his posts don't actually contribute anything, there is a feeling of feigned contribution.
This case on Lucidity is really weak. Lucidity is the same person he said yesterday had great logic on Dreamflower; tnkted even sheeped Lucidity's vote yesterday.
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I'm not making blanket statements, go filter me. My first case on tnkted has the quotes as they appear in context.
I'm unable to do that right now because it's very hard to copy and paste on this.
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On September 16 2011 02:09 dreamflower wrote:
By the way, wherebugsgo, can you restate your case against tntked again, please? I went back over your posts, and it seemed like you were accusing him of wishy-washiness and sheeping Lucidity at one point. Is that about right? I just want to be clear on why you wanted to lynch him last night.
Read these posts:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=15#284
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=15#292
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=15#297
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=17#339
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=23#447
Read and form thoughts for your own, people. I can't do much more than identify what I find to be contradictory and what I think deserves attention.
I also urge you all to read Lucidity's response to tntkted's "case" on him. As I said, tnkted case on Lucidity is really weak. Just yesterday he was sheeping Lucidity's vote for his suspicion on dreamflower, and then suddenly today he's against Lucidity for soft FoSes. I actually have to agree with Lucidity on you, Dreamflower. It seems weird that you would post things like this:
On September 15 2011 23:31 dreamflower wrote:
Oh, oops, I missed the exchange between wherebugsgo and Forumite, where Forumite asks him, "Why not switch your vote? Tnkted isn't going to get lynched anyway" and wherebugsgo complies. So, I guess it isn't true that no one was forcing him to vote for sinani. It is still a dramatic shift from saying "I don't think sinani is scum and I'm not gonna vote for him" to "I'm prepared to switch my vote, but I don't think sinani is the best lynch," to "We only have 6 votes on sinani? ##vote sinani" in about as many posts.
I guess some of this can be attributed to the frustration of anticipating a no-lynch to happen. But it's still weird that wherebugsgo keeps saying that he thinks sinani isn't Mafia and he's never seen a bandwagon form this quickly for a real Mafia, but jumps on the bandwagon anyway and casts the deciding vote against sinani.
You recognize a possible reason why I would vote for sinani (in order to prevent a no-lynch) but it's almost as if you just dismiss it. You've got both opinions in there, such that it's possible you would find me scummy no matter what I did!
On September 16 2011 02:09 dreamflower wrote:
It's not that I believe a no-lynch is a viable option, except possibly in some endgame situation, which we certainly are not in right now. But I couldn't help but be surprised that the no-lynch didn't happen last night, due to the vote of someone who made it clear that he believed the person he was voting for wasn't Mafia, no less. For my part, I wouldn't have blamed wherebugsgo specifically as the cause for the no-lynch. I definitely wouldn't have insta-voted him the next day over it. There were plenty of people who were also posting at the time who could have changed their vote, like Nisani or DroneAllDay with his weird filter-ish accusation of Nisani (what was that, by the way? DroneAllDay, are you really accusing someone because of posts they made before the game started?), and didn't. If we'd had a no-lynch, it would have been because of several people who voted for players other than sinani206, not just because of wherebugsgo.
I guess it really would have been frustrating to not have a lynch happen last night, though. Considering how starved we are for information, I can't fault you for that. Sorry for the "hammer," wherebugsgo; I just thought the change of heart was really striking at first, though it is understandable.
Then here comes a post I don't really understand.
You say that you think no-lynch is not a viable option this early in the game. Okay, with you there.
Then you say you're surprised that a no lynch didn't happen yesterday. If a no lynch happened yesterday I would DEFINITELY have been blamed for it, whether you would have or not. The best thing about this is none of us know what you would've done, because a no-lynch didn't happen, so you can say that with impunity.
We can sit around and talk about speculative, hypothetical situations all day, but that gets us nowhere closer to finding scum.
Then you talk about DaD's vote on Nisani. I can't tell if this is a suspicion of DaD or a soft defend of Nisani. (anyone else see this?)
At the end of your post, you go back on what you've said and say you would've been frustrated with a no lynch. If you would've been frustrated with a no lynch that means that whoever didn't vote for sinani would've been suspected, no? I was the most active person yesterday, particularly around lynch time, who did not like the sinani vote. I was, ultimately, the deciding vote. If you would've been frustrated with that I'm sure plenty of other ponies in this town would've jumped all over me for that too. Lucidity admits he would've insta voted me, for example.
Finally, there's a small double standard here. As you say, I wasn't actually the only person around at lynch time who would've voted for someone other than sinani. Nisani looks shady for that. He didn't vote sinani either, but the way he responded to his lynch and anyone who pushed his lynch seemed really off. It seemed like he saw the flip coming (as someone else mentioned, I don't remember who that was) and he certainly should be another one of our top priorities today IMO. He didn't get your attention, dreamflower? You mentioned his name in passing, but it doesn't seem like you've actually considered him as scum.
The last thing I want to say is this: I want to hear everyone's opinions on these following five people.
tntked
nisani
curu
dreamflower
lucidity
Hopefully we can promote some more (productive) discussion today, as opposed to the mess we had yesterday.
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I think the daypost should be due any minute now
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WHERE ARE YOU GMARSHAL MY F5 KEY IS BROKEN 
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If I die tonight lynch tnkted please
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wtf how is that WIFOM?
-_-
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this wait is killing me o_O
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On September 16 2011 19:44 Jackal58 wrote:
Twinkles is town. Guaranteed.
What is this? Are you saying tnkted is town?
I won't believe this until I have adequate reason to, as for now I still think tnkted is mafia.
Nisani is acting pretty weird too, he hasn't said anything about tnkted really but insta voted him after the day post with no reasoning.
Anyway, I won't be around for the next 12-16 hours or so. Today is Friday and all my HW is due (plus I have like five classes) so I won't be free until tonight around 8 pm PST or so. I'll be back then to see how the thread has gone.
Till then, the best lynch, IMO, is tntked.
##vote tnkted
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On September 17 2011 05:38 tnkted wrote:
Just tell them jackal, the info is pro-town and if you're killed it confirms my alignment anyway which mafia does not want. Vice versa if you're killed.
Why don't you tell us?
This sudden claim stuff is hella shady to me. It came at a really strange time of day, and it's not making any sense yet other than Jackal "confirming" tnkted as town.
I find it weird that it's been put out there that tnkted is town but there's almost no explanation as for why or how. If you actually are town you'll get shot for sure (which is just dumb to me, idk why you would do that) and if you're not it makes sense as a gambit to get another mislynch today and get us closer to mylo.
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On September 17 2011 11:11 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 17 2011 05:38 tnkted wrote:
Just tell them jackal, the info is pro-town and if you're killed it confirms my alignment anyway which mafia does not want. Vice versa if you're killed. Why don't you tell us? This sudden claim stuff is hella shady to me. It came at a really strange time of day, and it's not making any sense yet other than Jackal "confirming" tnkted as town. I find it weird that it's been put out there that tnkted is town but there's almost no explanation as for why or how. If you actually are town you'll get shot for sure (which is just dumb to me, idk why you would do that) and if you're not it makes sense as a gambit to get another mislynch today and get us closer to mylo. I think this lowers their suspicion level to me. here is why: Note when Jackal posted his assertion that tntked was town for the first time. Before the night post. Before that point a lot of us were talking about tntked and his behavior the previous day. The best reason I can see of this is that jackal thought the chances were good that he was going to die that night, so he posted information he had somehow obtain that tntked was town, in hopes that his death, flipping green/blue, and his post would prevent another mislynch on tntked today. The more complicated explination is that he is mafia, he fabricates a post about his scumbuddie tntked being town, and posts it in hopes the above argument is assumed, and a vig doesnt hit him or tnkted making him look guilty, or tntked isnt lynched anyway, exposing jackal as a liar, and now the scum is down by 2. I do not see any senario that would occur if only one of tntked or jackal was scum. in my eyes both have to either be town, or scum. Occam's Razor dictates that the first senario (with them both being town) is more simple, and therefore more likely. However, I await your explanation as to what in the hell is going on.
I don't think you can tell either way.
Either they're both townies, and Jackal knows something about tnkted so he's trying to prevent him from getting lynched. Or they're both mafia making a gambit to gain towncred. Look how fast half the town believed tnkted.
What's weird to me is that tnkted seems to know how Jackal knows he is town. This makes very little sense to me, since certainly tnkted would back up Jackal when Jackal is defending him, but then why would tnkted push Jackal to explain it, in a way that seems as if tnkted already knows HOW Jackal knows?
It just doesn't add up to me.
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Last thing I ought to mention is that there is no other alternative lynch today.
Neither of them have contributed one. I've contributed my list, but other than tnkted no one really grabbed anyone's attention yesterday.
We have to consolidate today or we're gonna be in deep shit. And certainly if we don't lynch mafia today, and we don't lynch tnkted/Jackal (and they're both alive), I'm going to be looking into them a lot harder. If someone has a better target I'm willing to drop tnkted for now, but no one has presented anything yet.
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yeah, that's the last bit. They've "claimed" but it's not clear at all. If you're going to claim as town (and draw mafia attention) you might as well claim in full. Only they and the mafia right now know their alignment, and that's not really helping the rest of us.
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On September 17 2011 14:13 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 11:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
yeah, that's the last bit. They've "claimed" but it's not clear at all. If you're going to claim as town (and draw mafia attention) you might as well claim in full. Only they and the mafia right now know their alignment, and that's not really helping the rest of us. Scum really hate when two townies know they are both townies don't you? Scum really hate when townies have knowledge that is denied to scum don't you? PM abilities in a non PM game are great. As I said before if you guys feel compelled to lynch me to verify my alignment I'm ok with that. But keep your dick beaters off of Twinkles. Sorry Curu. I didn't realize you were running LOTR when I posted that. My vote is going on Bugs. If you're town you can trust me or lynch me. But you damn sure aren't getting all the details. ##VOTE: wherebugsgo
This is the biggest bullshit vote I've ever seen.
I choose lynch.
##vote Jackal58
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