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You don't know what roles are in the game so you're just going to accept every claim? Are you so easily convinced because you already know he's town? Oh hi scum. | ||
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On September 17 2011 14:13 Jackal58 wrote: Scum really hate when two townies know they are both townies don't you? Scum really hate when townies have knowledge that is denied to scum don't you? PM abilities in a non PM game are great. As I said before if you guys feel compelled to lynch me to verify my alignment I'm ok with that. But keep your dick beaters off of Twinkles. Sorry Curu. I didn't realize you were running LOTR when I posted that. My vote is going on Bugs. If you're town you can trust me or lynch me. But you damn sure aren't getting all the details. ##VOTE: wherebugsgo Could you explain why you voted wherebugsgo please? | ||
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Discussing possible reasons for Jackal and tnkted's claim before they gave more info only benefited scum (if they're scum). And it doesn't benefit anyone if they're actually town. Herp derp. Don't give them ideas if they're actually lying. | ||
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From = for. e.g. If I ask Jackal why he voted WBG I don't want dreamflower to answer it. | ||
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On September 17 2011 23:52 Jackal58 wrote: Simple. I stated that you guys were more than welcome to lynch me to verify my alignment. Bugs isn't happy with that answer. He needs the details of what went on between myself and tnkted. I will not disclose that info. He hates that idea. The sole purpose of my original post was to save a townie from lynch. He hates that idea. A tnkted lynch would have been very easy today. That's why. When I was first told I could PM tnkted I was also suspicious of him. However he did something that I cannot attribute to scum. Ever. If he is actually scum his own team needs to kill him because he fucked them hard. I believe it was in XXXLVI where I made a similar post to save LSBs derpy ass from lynch. It worked and town won. The only difference here is when I first called Twinkles town I had no other alternative lynch candidate like I did in that game. Oh and I can no longer PM tnkted. That window closed when tnkted did what he did. So your plan to save a townie is to ... sacrifice yourself ... a townie ... ? | ||
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DroneAllDay: Please ask for a replacement. tnkted: I mean pursuing me. You made a case against me. Why aren't you following through? | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:23 Jackal58 wrote: Not exactly. My plan is to give you guys a confirmed townie. Right now I know tnkted and I are both town. You guys don't. Confirmed townies are scums worst nightmare. I will gladly sacrifice myself to fuck over scum. I will gladly put myself up for a hit by scum. Why do you have issues with this? Why do you expect people to take you at your word? I want to know as much as possible about your motivations so that I can form opinions. | ||
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On September 18 2011 01:42 Curu wrote: Whoa a post by Nisani I can completely agree with. Hmm. wherebugsgo's vote wasn't on Jackal at the time of that post and Jackal had informed us that the PM circle had been closed. So what exactly did you agree with? + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2011 01:38 Nisani201 wrote: ##Vote: wherebugsgo I was a bit busy yesterday so I didn't have much time to post in the thread. Wherebugsgo is voting Jackal because his claim is "bullshit," which I strongly disagree with. Most of the things said in this thread regarding the Jackal-tnkted thing have been logical, so it really seems like a last resort for Wherebugsgo. Obviously scum wants to take out a PM circle, so his vote on Jackal just saves up KP for his scumteam to kill someone else. | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:34 Jackal58 wrote: My motivation is a town win. What's yours? I don't expect people to take me for my word. I have stated repeatedly that town may feel free to lynch me to verify my alignment and tnkted's. First Bugs wants to know things I've already said I won't share and now you do. I've never said anybody must take me at my word. But you two seem to be awfully bothered by me. You do Jackal, whether you say so or not. Anyone who has questioned your claim you have viewed as suspect. As a townie I'm always suspicious of people who believe me too easily. You seem to be doing the opposite. Somehow someone being "bothered" by your claim is worrying you? You don't claim your role or tnkted's. You are not willing to divulge any information other than that you somehow KNOW tnkted is town. Then it surfaces that you THINK he's town due to something he said... In what world does that confirm someone. Why are you so certain that scum can't just kill your confirmed townie at night? | ||
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I'll post my reasoning later when I get home. His angar like in the post above is one of the reasons. Am I the only one not in a PM circle? Fuck that shit. Also, dreamflower is on course to get modkilled? | ||
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If you look at his filter you'll find that he spends little time on hunting scum. Instead there are a lot of policy and plan debating. This is in contrast to XLIV where he was actively hunting scum as his first priority. He points out and reminds us of how scummy sinani is numerous times. But he never votes for him. He later says that we should not lynch sinani. Why spend time on pointing out how scummy he is then? Wouldn't it be best to draw attention away from someone you think is a townie? Why bring his bad townie play to Town's attention repeatedly? Well the answer is obvious. You wanted him lynched, while absolving yourself of any guilt. + Show Spoiler + On September 14 2011 11:31 wherebugsgo wrote: I think it's generally cause your town play is so bad we can't tell the difference between it and real mafia. I mean even right now I can't tell your alignment. I don't like the lynch lurker policy but really I can't fault them for voting you, you're not giving anyone any reason to keep you around. On September 14 2011 11:55 wherebugsgo wrote: Good luck ever figuring out sinani's alignment. Won't find that out till he flips. On September 14 2011 12:21 wherebugsgo wrote: You were so gungho about teaching Droneallday a "lesson" by getting him lynched day 1, so he would learn that he needs to contribute as town. Sinani is arguably just as bad and yet you have a big problem with pushing for his lynch? Are you scumbuddies? Sinani doesn't seem to have learned yet that we don't like his lurking/anti-town nill contribution style, yet you don't seem to care for policy lynching him. So, Mr. Tnkted, why so flip-floppy? On September 14 2011 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote: an even better question would be to ask sinani what the fuck this is: In my previous game with WBG he made trademark tl;dr over 9000 word cases on his scum candidates. He has not done that this game at all. Things to look out for in the following post: His use of name calling. That's not how he put his thoughts across in XLIV. There he was a blue and tried to convince us of his standpoints with reasoning and tunneling (yes you tunnel your scum candidates like mad). He gives his reason for not wanting to vote sinani even though he looks scummy as fuck: "The bandwagon filled up too fast". It wasn't fast at all and we barely got enough votes to actually lynch sinani. i.e. bullshit reason. On September 15 2011 08:21 wherebugsgo wrote: Alright, I'm back from class today and I see not really much has changed. Townies are still retarded and the mafia are slipping through undetected because of it. Our best lynch for today is tnkted, something I've been trying to get through to you numbskulls since yesterday, but instead all of you seem to be completely ignoring me. I agree that sinani is playing really poorly but I never agreed that he was the best lynch. I'm not gonna vote sinani cause I don't think we should lynch him today. How god damn hard is it for you morons to understand this? Instead, I think we should lynch tnkted. Just look at how fast the bandwagon on sinani piled up. You guys don't think that's strange? Unless scum is all out bussing him day 1 I think we ought to leave sinani be until we're more certain of his alignment. what in the hell is this? There is only one thing I dislike more than wishy washiness, and that is lying. You sir, are a liar. I never said I wanted to lynch Sinani. I said I can understand why people would want to lynch him, but I never said we should lynch him. If I thought we should lynch him I would've voted him. Ever get that through your dumb head, Nisani? Honestly, until reading this post I thought you were just a dumb townie but now I smell that you could possibly have an agenda. Townies might grasp at straws but they certainly wouldn't fabricate things or put words in other people's mouths. His "case" against Nisani. Not much effort or convincing at all. Even blatant misrepresentations. + Show Spoiler + Other gems of Nisani's I've found: On September 15 2011 00:57 Nisani201 wrote: Also, I might not be as active during this portion of day becauSBe Minecraft 1.8 is out, and I will probably have a lot of homework. You had a problem with me being inactive (BECAUSE I WAS SLEEPING) but you are planning on being less active during the most important part of the day? The day ends in like 3 hours. Also, you even said you wanted to hear from Forumite but you knew he is in another time zone and that's why you knew he wouldn't respond till later. So why did it never cross your mind that I could be sleeping as well? Nice double standards, scum. On September 15 2011 07:13 Nisani201 wrote: Majority lynch is weird. I don't like it. However, GreYMisT is right, I shouldn't be voting for an outlier. ##Unvote ##Vote: Curu If anyone else is interested in lynching wherebugsgo, just post it here, and maybe I can get some more votes on him. "oh I seem to have been caught for my shitty reasoning. Time to jump back on a bandwagon on a person I just said was town one post ago!" On September 14 2011 13:24 Nisani201 wrote: I already stated in the thread that I only intended to lynch lurkers if they ended up not posting. (however I will admit that this was poorly thought out, because he would be eligible for modkill anyways). I prefered voting for DroneAllDay rather than Sinani because Sinani has not done anything scummy. The case against Forumite is not good enough to warrant a vote. And then you come around, calling everyone scum, and make yourself the perfect target for my vote. EZ. He admits that he did not think about his vote. I repeat, Nisani201 DID NOT THINK ABOUT HIS VOTE. So Nisani, you're willing to arbitrarily throw around votes and cause havoc (like the shit town atmosphere we have right now) just on the basis of wanting to lynch lurkers for not posting? That's a great way to blend in, isn't it? Lynch the guy who can't respond to you cause he's inactive. That way there's no backlash for your shitty reasoning. Yet, when you got called out on it you soft-defended sinani ("sinani has not done anything scummy") and the only other case is on Forumite. Who, I'm guessing is town, since you dismissed him so easily. There's only two options for you: 1.) You rolled town, yet you have yet to use your brain and are just acting immensely thick. 2.) You're scum, trying to mislead others about what I said to try to fabricate a case on me, and are trying really hard to blend in. I'm leaning toward #2 right now. His case on tnkted. His best lynch candidate. Is 1 paragraph long. 1 paragraph. Discussing 1 post. The stuff after the first paragraph is just the ending of his long post, not the case on tnkted. He is CLEARLY not putting much effort into hunting scum. This is not how a WBG "Let's lynch this scum!" post looks like. + Show Spoiler + With all of this, however, I have more things to point out. Our best lynch today, as I said earlier, is tnkted. I will explain further: On September 14 2011 22:04 tnkted wrote: Fair enough, You certainly haven't been lurking. ##Unvote My thoughts on DroneAllDay: I don't think he's posted since the day started, which means he's probably going to get modkilled. Perhaps he hasn't checked his pms in awhile? Either way, I think he's going to get himself dead without anybody's help (@Dreamflower: This is one of the main reasons NOT to lynch lurkers; they tend to get themselves modkilled anyway and we waste a lynch). My thoughts on lucidity: his post analyzing dreamflower was extremely interesting because it was well done. I don't know if I agree with his conclusions, but his method was very effective: It paraphrased the important aspects of dreamflower's post, and interpreted them in order to understand what dreamflower was really talking about. THIS is a good way to find scum. Now, why he chose dreamflower and nobody else is kind of interesting; Dreamflowers scumhunting abilities are so legendary (for me anyway) that I have a hard time believing she intended to come across as scummy as she did. I want to hear her response before I vote for her. Also interesting to note is that lucidity didn't actually vote her himself; he's also waiting for a response. For what it's worth, right now dreamflower is my #1 vote but I'll abstain until she shows up to defend herself. Eh, what the hell. I can always change it later. ##Vote: Dreamflower I have no self control. Now, to deal with some mindless accusations: Frankly, this is a complete nonsense post. "Tnkted makes a good point about forumite not being scum, which convinced me, but later, i changed my mind and now I think he's scum too!" WHY did you change your mind when what I said made sense to you? Go find me evidence where he stopped acting like an annoyed townie and more like a frightened scum, and I'll consider switching to you. Please post a case against me instead of just throwing out soft foses. You think people don't notice when you do this? What? What kind of reasoning is this? Tnkted is voting dreamflower not because dreamflower made contradictions, not because dreamflower seems to be pushing an agenda, and not because dreamflower appears scummy to him but because dreamflower appears scummy to LUCIDITY. This is the textbook definition of sheeping. Tnkted contributed absolutely nothing in this entire post except a massive sheep vote of Dreamflower by following Lucidity blindly. You all need to seriously consider tnkted as a lynch today. Finally, there are a few other players who I found made interesting remarks today, and who I think we should keep an eye on. Sinani and Curu for obvious reasons, but I have an inkling at least one of them is town. Chaos I never have a proper read on, he could be anything, but his reasoning as always has been fairly bad. For example, his forumite vote post in which he considers tnkted to be scum but doesn't actually say why. Let's keep him in mind. + Show Spoiler + lol I still <3 you chaos In summary: Lynchlist: tnkted Watchlist: Nisani201, sinani206, Curu, chaos13 worthy of a vig shot to the face: tnkted, nisani Nisani is scummy to me, but as of right now there's no way to tell whether he's just a retarded townie or if he's mafia with an agenda. I lean mafia, but lynching him today is not the best option. Vigging him might be good, though. Tnkted is our best lynch. Filter him and look at how he blends in, look at his sheeping of Lucidity, and look at his contradiction with respect to the lurker lynch policy and Droneallday. All of these things line up with a scum agenda IMO. None of these things make sense from a pro-town mindset. I'll be around for the next 5-8 hours, so I hope to see people involved so that we can make a proper lynch. He later follows up his case because dreamflower has to ask him what his case actually is. SOMEONE HAD TO ASK HIM TO CLARIFY HIS CASE. I can't emphasise enough how strange this is for a WBG case. Go look at XLIV. When he pushed for someone to be lynched he made sure all his thoughts were put into a 1 post thesis so that people knew what was going on. He's simply not caring enough to do it in this game. Because he's not invested in finding scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 16 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote: Read these posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=15#284 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=15#292 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=15#297 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=17#339 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=23#447 Read and form thoughts for your own, people. I can't do much more than identify what I find to be contradictory and what I think deserves attention. I also urge you all to read Lucidity's response to tntkted's "case" on him. As I said, tnkted case on Lucidity is really weak. Just yesterday he was sheeping Lucidity's vote for his suspicion on dreamflower, and then suddenly today he's against Lucidity for soft FoSes. Then he doesn't understand the timing of Jackal's claim. Honestly, the only way he couldn't have considered that a Townie (especially someone like Jackal) could be afraid of dying to scum is if he's scum himself. Releasing info before the night ends makes perfect sense. How does WBG think it doesn't? In XLIV he even did the same thing!@# On September 17 2011 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote: Why don't you tell us? This sudden claim stuff is hella shady to me. It came at a really strange time of day, and it's not making any sense yet other than Jackal "confirming" tnkted as town. I find it weird that it's been put out there that tnkted is town but there's almost no explanation as for why or how. If you actually are town you'll get shot for sure (which is just dumb to me, idk why you would do that) and if you're not it makes sense as a gambit to get another mislynch today and get us closer to mylo. The following post just set off alarm bells all over the place for me. If we don't lynch tnkted/jackal today and they live he's going to look a lot harder at them? What? His PRIMARY candidate was tnkted. He should have looked hard at him to being with. WBG is a tunnelwhore extroardinaire. There's no way he decided tnkted is the best lynch candidate without looking hard at all his posts. Then he goes on to say that he's willing to drop tnkted for now if someone has a better target ..... But no one has presented anything yet ... WHAT? This is so different from townie WBG that I dont' know what to say. He is suspicious of his #1 target's claim, but willing to drop him. Uhuh. On September 17 2011 11:19 wherebugsgo wrote: Last thing I ought to mention is that there is no other alternative lynch today. Neither of them have contributed one. I've contributed my list, but other than tnkted no one really grabbed anyone's attention yesterday. We have to consolidate today or we're gonna be in deep shit. And certainly if we don't lynch mafia today, and we don't lynch tnkted/Jackal (and they're both alive), I'm going to be looking into them a lot harder. If someone has a better target I'm willing to drop tnkted for now, but no one has presented anything yet. Then he votes Jackal?! He doesn't believe this claim stuff... So what does he do? Vote for his #1 scum candidate? NO! Let's vote Jackal. Who he has had a town read on all game. Yes! On September 17 2011 14:19 wherebugsgo wrote: This is the biggest bullshit vote I've ever seen. I choose lynch. ##vote Jackal58 Followed by insta unvote: On September 17 2011 16:19 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm fine with lynching Nisani. In hindsight I'm want to believe Jackal's claim because I had a town read on him all game. It doesn't add up to what I see in his behavior for him and tnkted to be scumbuddies. I just feel stupid because my entire case on tnkted is thrown out the window (for now, at least). Nisani was my #2 choice, so I won't be complaining there. ##unvote Jackal ##vote Nisani201 Then the shit starts getting weird. On September 18 2011 05:12 wherebugsgo wrote: Jesus Christ you guys are fucking slow. This is a breadcrumb. I have one of the pieces of honesty. I thought you guys were getting pieces together so I wanted to help you out. That's why I wanted to know more about what Jackal was doing. When I realized he was telling the truth and I reread his songpost, I figured he can't be mafia with tnkted. Then, I voted nisani because he was my number 2 lynch target. I've been pushing tnkted and nisani all day, if I get a town read on tnkted of course I'm going to go back and push my second lynch after clarifying that the claim indeed is made from a pro town perspective. His timing is all messed up. He realised Jackal was telling the truth. That's why he wanted more info about the claim. But HE VOTED tnkted AND Jackal in that period when he supposedly believed the claim. How does that make any sense?! I'll tell you how: He always knew they were both town. So there was never a point where he switched from doubting them to believing them. Thus, in his scummy mind, the timing got messed up. But wait. There's more. On September 18 2011 06:46 wherebugsgo wrote: I got mine night 1. Wait so sorry if this is a stupid question but why are we asking this? On September 18 2011 16:26 wherebugsgo wrote: I sent the PM to GMarshal to send the piece to tnkted. Also, I made a mistake with respect to the timing of when I received my piece. I actually received my piece with the day 1 post, not the night 1 post (AKA September 13) That's the time stamp on the PM. I had another PM from GMarshal that I mistakenly thought was the piece PM in my inbox so I wrongly assumed that was the one for the receptacle. This is the most damning shit ever. How do you forget when you got the element? I proper LOL'd when I read this. You had to go look at the PMs? And you looked at the wrong one? HA HA HA ? All of you other guys who got your elements. How did you remember when you got yours? Did you have to go look at a PM? Or did you relate it to a point in the game? If I got it on Day 1 there's no way in hell I would have forgotten that I had that knowledge on Day 1......................... WBG is scum. What probably happened is that he got it from Chaos on Night 1 when he killed him. 2 random nuggets to further illustrate non WBG play: + Show Spoiler + Points out scummy as fuck post. Forgets about it immediately. This isn't Town WBG play: + Show Spoiler + On September 15 2011 11:10 wherebugsgo wrote: lol wtf just noticed. This is actually reallyy shady -_- He feels he should have caused a no lynch? No lynch is 100% anti-town on Day 1. On September 16 2011 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote: I did it because people hate no-lynch. I agree that, in hindsight I should've forced a no lynch. Then, instead of you attacking me for casting the hammer Forumite and Jackal would be attacking me for being responsible for a no lynch. I can't please everyone. Let's lynch scum today. Let's lynch wherebugsgo. | ||
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He is scum and has to push scummy agendas and he can't differentiate between scummy/town behaviour as he is scum himself. Therefore, he resorts to name calling and aggressive posts to get his point across. He is so obviously scum I can't even believe it. Lynch WBG. | ||
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Seeing how useless the powers seem to be that the stones give I don't think scum would even care to give it away. Though I wouldn't know if they knew what combining it would do beforehand. I haven't received anything. Can't believe it's only a name check :/ Proper derpy hooves man. tnkted: Have you read my response to your case against me? What about it was unsatisfactory? Why do you think I'm scum? | ||
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