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Looking forward to this one. I promise to do my best not to suck this time around 
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How about you scummy bastards calm down and wait for day to start.
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Scum team wherebugsgo, sinani206, xtfftc, and Palmar. Calling it right now. At least iGrok's vote made some sense. Come on you guys, the first 5 posts of the game are voting someone when we have majority lynch rules? This is pathetic.
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On September 07 2011 17:54 Palmar wrote:
##Vote: Chaos13
For being always wrong.
And your attitude can hang with you this game. I'm really beginning to get sick of your nonsense and your constant spam.
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On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:On September 07 2011 13:04 GGQ wrote:On September 07 2011 11:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Let's talk about irrelevant things in ace's game! This set-up is weird is completely closed so I'm gonna throw it out there that I think everyone has some sort of ability. Given that we have 4/16 mafia, I imagine that you're probably right. Oh boy let's rolefish some more. ##vote:ggq Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first? why not? I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?' "why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action. "why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further. So cut the crap. Why? Calm down broski. It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right. if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again. ##vote:ggq Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys?
This is a big heaping dose of OMGUS. Your entire argument is based on the fact that JeeJee has accused you and apparently misunderstood some of your behavior. You end it with a noncommittal statement and don't even bother voting for someone you just accused of being scum. Oh wait, you accused bum as well by association. You're looking like a good first lynch right about now.
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On September 08 2011 10:16 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 09:10 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:On September 07 2011 13:04 GGQ wrote:
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Given that we have 4/16 mafia, I imagine that you're probably right. Oh boy let's rolefish some more. ##vote:ggq Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first? why not? I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?' "why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action. "why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further. So cut the crap. Why? Calm down broski. It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right. if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again. ##vote:ggq Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys? This is a big heaping dose of OMGUS. Your entire argument is based on the fact that JeeJee has accused you and apparently misunderstood some of your behavior. You end it with a noncommittal statement and don't even bother voting for someone you just accused of being scum. Oh wait, you accused bum as well by association. You're looking like a good first lynch right about now. >>calls my post OMGUS >>points out that I end noncommittal and don't vote for JeeJee >>?!?!?! When did I accuse him of being scum? I gave him two options, and frankly I think it's more likely that JeeJee is misguided towny than mafia atm. My post wasn't an accusation, but an outline of misunderstandings, logic fails, and suspicious behavior. You'll notice that he's not the only one I've responded to. I'll point out problematic posts when I see them, whether the poster has voted for me or not. Call it OMGUS if you want. Also, you painted it as suspicious that I didn't vote for JeeJee after "accusing" him. And then you called me scum, even encouraged a lynch on me, then didn't vote for me. Wuddup wit dat? If this is the kind of logic and analysis we are going to have all game, then gg we lose.
That entire post is an attack on JeeJee, and none of it looks like you're calling him a bad townie. Not an accusation, but an outline of suspicious behavior? That's exactly what an accusation is.
It wouldn't have been suspicious if it felt as if you were simply looking for more information, but it had the feel of an attack to it. None of what I said is calling you scum. Calling you suspicious? Hell yeah. Did I encourage anyone else to vote for you? No. They can make that decision themselves. There's no need for me to place my vote yet until we generate some more discussion. I'm simply warning you that if your play continues this way, I will vote for you before the day is over.
Good positive attitude at the end there, I like that. If you don't think that what's going on is good, encourage something better. You can whine about it all you want, but if you don't do something to fix it you're just becoming part of the problem.
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On September 08 2011 10:58 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 10:55 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 10:16 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 09:10 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:
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Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first? why not? I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?' "why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action. "why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further. So cut the crap. Why? Calm down broski. It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right. if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again. ##vote:ggq Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys? This is a big heaping dose of OMGUS. Your entire argument is based on the fact that JeeJee has accused you and apparently misunderstood some of your behavior. You end it with a noncommittal statement and don't even bother voting for someone you just accused of being scum. Oh wait, you accused bum as well by association. You're looking like a good first lynch right about now. >>calls my post OMGUS >>points out that I end noncommittal and don't vote for JeeJee >>?!?!?! When did I accuse him of being scum? I gave him two options, and frankly I think it's more likely that JeeJee is misguided towny than mafia atm. My post wasn't an accusation, but an outline of misunderstandings, logic fails, and suspicious behavior. You'll notice that he's not the only one I've responded to. I'll point out problematic posts when I see them, whether the poster has voted for me or not. Call it OMGUS if you want. Also, you painted it as suspicious that I didn't vote for JeeJee after "accusing" him. And then you called me scum, even encouraged a lynch on me, then didn't vote for me. Wuddup wit dat? If this is the kind of logic and analysis we are going to have all game, then gg we lose. That entire post is an attack on JeeJee, and none of it looks like you're calling him a bad townie. Not an accusation, but an outline of suspicious behavior? That's exactly what an accusation is. It wouldn't have been suspicious if it felt as if you were simply looking for more information, but it had the feel of an attack to it. None of what I said is calling you scum. Calling you suspicious? Hell yeah. Did I encourage anyone else to vote for you? No. They can make that decision themselves. There's no need for me to place my vote yet until we generate some more discussion. I'm simply warning you that if your play continues this way, I will vote for you before the day is over. Good positive attitude at the end there, I like that. If you don't think that what's going on is good, encourage something better. You can whine about it all you want, but if you don't do something to fix it you're just becoming part of the problem. Jee Jee needed to be hit upside the head with a 2X4. Why the hell are you defending him?
I'm not defending JeeJee. In fact, I think he's right up there with GGQ in terms of scumminess. What I am doing is pressuring GGQ because I can see him posting from a mafia perspective. Why the hell are you defending GGQ?
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On September 08 2011 11:35 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 10:55 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 10:16 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 09:10 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:
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Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first? why not? I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?' "why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action. "why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further. So cut the crap. Why? Calm down broski. It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right. if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again. ##vote:ggq Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys? This is a big heaping dose of OMGUS. Your entire argument is based on the fact that JeeJee has accused you and apparently misunderstood some of your behavior. You end it with a noncommittal statement and don't even bother voting for someone you just accused of being scum. Oh wait, you accused bum as well by association. You're looking like a good first lynch right about now. >>calls my post OMGUS >>points out that I end noncommittal and don't vote for JeeJee >>?!?!?! When did I accuse him of being scum? I gave him two options, and frankly I think it's more likely that JeeJee is misguided towny than mafia atm. My post wasn't an accusation, but an outline of misunderstandings, logic fails, and suspicious behavior. You'll notice that he's not the only one I've responded to. I'll point out problematic posts when I see them, whether the poster has voted for me or not. Call it OMGUS if you want. Also, you painted it as suspicious that I didn't vote for JeeJee after "accusing" him. And then you called me scum, even encouraged a lynch on me, then didn't vote for me. Wuddup wit dat? If this is the kind of logic and analysis we are going to have all game, then gg we lose. That entire post is an attack on JeeJee, and none of it looks like you're calling him a bad townie. Not an accusation, but an outline of suspicious behavior? That's exactly what an accusation is.It wouldn't have been suspicious if it felt as if you were simply looking for more information, but it had the feel of an attack to it. None of what I said is calling you scum. Calling you suspicious? Hell yeah. Did I encourage anyone else to vote for you? No. They can make that decision themselves. There's no need for me to place my vote yet until we generate some more discussion. I'm simply warning you that if your play continues this way, I will vote for you before the day is over. Good positive attitude at the end there, I like that. If you don't think that what's going on is good, encourage something better. You can whine about it all you want, but if you don't do something to fix it you're just becoming part of the problem. Incorrect, an accusation is when you accuse someone of being scum, which I never did. I'll call out suspicious behavior from many players in a game, but I'll only accuse a few of being scum. So no, pointing out suspicious behavior from someone is not an accusation. If scum were the only ones who exhibited suspicious behavior, mafia would be a much easier game.
You said I was looking like a good lynch. Not a good "vote", a good "lynch". You can't lynch by yourself, so yeah you were encouraging others to vote for me.And yeah, I am doing something about it by pointing out fail logic in the hopes that people will think things through a little longer.
Oh look, semantics.
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On September 08 2011 19:06 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I still like chaos13 as scum.
I don't think iGrok is scum, he wouldn't drag all this attention by opening up with a policy post on killing the smurf. I don't know about GGQ, the rest are just derp votes.
Hi Palmar.
In case I don't get the time to place my vote after work today
##Vote GGQ
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I don't really understand the attention on TAA. As for iGrok, I can see him being either scum or town backed up against a wall. I'm not comfortable enough with that lynch to vote for him today.
Palmar seems to be doing his usual stirring of the pot to elicit reads based on emotion, but has cut down on the spam a bit. His votes are useless and the reasoning for them shitty. But that's nothing new. If he doesn't come in with something decent soon he's scum.
On September 08 2011 22:30 Jackal58 wrote:
Would you please explain? I've just reread everything GGQ has posted and there is nothing there.
You and Jee Jee are tag teaming him. And no I'm not defending GGQ. I'm calling you out for a vote that makes no sense to me.
Read the little exchange GGQ and I had earlier and you'll see why. He's getting all prickly under pressure, like a little mafia porcupine.
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On September 09 2011 07:55 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 11:11 chaos13 wrote:
I'm not defending JeeJee. In fact, I think he's right up there with GGQ in terms of scumminess. What I am doing is pressuring GGQ because I can see him posting from a mafia perspective. Why the hell are you defending GGQ?
Please tell us why you think JeeJee is scummy.
Yeah I looked back through his posts and there was nothing there. Literally. Almost no posts. That was my first thought on him because of his shitty random vote. After filtering him I see he's made about 2 posts with content after that though and neither of them are very scummy.
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On September 09 2011 09:53 Mig wrote:
Palmar never hard defends someone day1 as town. He knows as town you are working with very little information day1 so your reads are never going to be perfect. His certainty about iGrok's alignment is such a clear giveaway that he is scum.
Tunneling is bad. Don't get yourself stuck in that mindset.
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I'd switch to TAA or iGrok if I thought either of them were good lynches. The question raised now is which is worse - no lynch or town lynch? One of them at least gives us information from a flip. Cause it doesn't look like GGQ will be hanging tonight.
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On September 09 2011 10:24 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 10:15 chaos13 wrote:
I'd switch to TAA or iGrok if I thought either of them were good lynches. The question raised now is which is worse - no lynch or town lynch? One of them at least gives us information from a flip. Cause it doesn't look like GGQ will be hanging tonight. What makes you think GGQ is a better lynch? Your post about him was pretty neutral but now he's the best lynch?
Apparently I haven't gone over this enough, or you just haven't read all of my posts. Here's a full-blown analysis for you.
GGQ - Mr. Mafia
On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:
Oh boy let's rolefish some more.
##vote:ggq
Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first?[/QUOTE]
One random vote on him and he immediately tries to deflect the lynch onto bum. "This guy did the same thing as me, go after him instead." This could also be a vague attempt at rolefishing. There's no way it's going to work, as any player on this list with a blue role will see right through it, but it's there nevertheless.
On September 08 2011 01:32 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 01:21 xtfftc wrote:
Because JeeJee is covering for his mafia teammate Bum, just like Sinani. The last one is Curu.. His willingness to jump on the bandwagon of people voting for people who have voted for someone else revealed him. If you are being serious, please explain your reasoning more in-depth. What makes you think bum is mafia? If JeeJee and bum are mafia, why would JeeJee draw attention to bum like that? Why would Curu bandwagon so blatantly? If you are not being serious, please start.
Note here that he provides evidence against a connection between JeeJee and bum.
On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:On September 07 2011 13:04 GGQ wrote:On September 07 2011 11:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Let's talk about irrelevant things in ace's game! This set-up is weird is completely closed so I'm gonna throw it out there that I think everyone has some sort of ability. Given that we have 4/16 mafia, I imagine that you're probably right. Oh boy let's rolefish some more. ##vote:ggq Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first? why not? I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?' "why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action. "why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further. So cut the crap. Why? Calm down broski. It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right. if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again. ##vote:ggq Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys?
4) If he's unconcerned about the vote, why did he try to deflect it to bum?
9) "Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here..."
This directly contradicts the earlier post where he states there is no connection between the two. This is also a subtle accusation of both bum and JeeJee. He doesn't say it outright, but there is no doubt in my mind that he is calling them mafia.
The last paragraph also supports this, outlining both JeeJee and bum as perpetrators of disorganization. He then goes on to state that the motive behind that could be either town or mafia, without picking a side. Classic wishy-washy mafia statement.
On September 08 2011 10:16 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 09:10 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:On September 07 2011 13:04 GGQ wrote:
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Given that we have 4/16 mafia, I imagine that you're probably right. Oh boy let's rolefish some more. ##vote:ggq Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first? why not? I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?' "why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action. "why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further. So cut the crap. Why? Calm down broski. It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right. if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again. ##vote:ggq Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys? This is a big heaping dose of OMGUS. Your entire argument is based on the fact that JeeJee has accused you and apparently misunderstood some of your behavior. You end it with a noncommittal statement and don't even bother voting for someone you just accused of being scum. Oh wait, you accused bum as well by association. You're looking like a good first lynch right about now. >>calls my post OMGUS >>points out that I end noncommittal and don't vote for JeeJee >>?!?!?! When did I accuse him of being scum? I gave him two options, and frankly I think it's more likely that JeeJee is misguided towny than mafia atm. My post wasn't an accusation, but an outline of misunderstandings, logic fails, and suspicious behavior. You'll notice that he's not the only one I've responded to. I'll point out problematic posts when I see them, whether the poster has voted for me or not. Call it OMGUS if you want. Also, you painted it as suspicious that I didn't vote for JeeJee after "accusing" him. And then you called me scum, even encouraged a lynch on me, then didn't vote for me. Wuddup wit dat? If this is the kind of logic and analysis we are going to have all game, then gg we lose.
He accused JeeJee of being scum when he linked bum and JeeJee together as both causing problems. He ended that post asking for more discussion with JeeJee, who didn't post anything. Why the sudden change of heart then, with JeeJee "more likely misguided towny"?
The end statement is nowhere near being pro-town either. It's a blanket negative statement intended to discourage further accusations of GGQ.
On September 08 2011 11:35 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 10:55 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 10:16 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 09:10 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:
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Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first? why not? I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?' "why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action. "why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further. So cut the crap. Why? Calm down broski. It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right. if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again. ##vote:ggq Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys? This is a big heaping dose of OMGUS. Your entire argument is based on the fact that JeeJee has accused you and apparently misunderstood some of your behavior. You end it with a noncommittal statement and don't even bother voting for someone you just accused of being scum. Oh wait, you accused bum as well by association. You're looking like a good first lynch right about now. >>calls my post OMGUS >>points out that I end noncommittal and don't vote for JeeJee >>?!?!?! When did I accuse him of being scum? I gave him two options, and frankly I think it's more likely that JeeJee is misguided towny than mafia atm. My post wasn't an accusation, but an outline of misunderstandings, logic fails, and suspicious behavior. You'll notice that he's not the only one I've responded to. I'll point out problematic posts when I see them, whether the poster has voted for me or not. Call it OMGUS if you want. Also, you painted it as suspicious that I didn't vote for JeeJee after "accusing" him. And then you called me scum, even encouraged a lynch on me, then didn't vote for me. Wuddup wit dat? If this is the kind of logic and analysis we are going to have all game, then gg we lose. That entire post is an attack on JeeJee, and none of it looks like you're calling him a bad townie. Not an accusation, but an outline of suspicious behavior? That's exactly what an accusation is.It wouldn't have been suspicious if it felt as if you were simply looking for more information, but it had the feel of an attack to it. None of what I said is calling you scum. Calling you suspicious? Hell yeah. Did I encourage anyone else to vote for you? No. They can make that decision themselves. There's no need for me to place my vote yet until we generate some more discussion. I'm simply warning you that if your play continues this way, I will vote for you before the day is over. Good positive attitude at the end there, I like that. If you don't think that what's going on is good, encourage something better. You can whine about it all you want, but if you don't do something to fix it you're just becoming part of the problem. Incorrect, an accusation is when you accuse someone of being scum, which I never did. I'll call out suspicious behavior from many players in a game, but I'll only accuse a few of being scum. So no, pointing out suspicious behavior from someone is not an accusation. If scum were the only ones who exhibited suspicious behavior, mafia would be a much easier game. You said I was looking like a good lynch. Not a good "vote", a good "lynch". You can't lynch by yourself, so yeah you were encouraging others to vote for me.
And yeah, I am doing something about it by pointing out fail logic in the hopes that people will think things through a little longer.
And then look at the bolded. He's falsifying what I said by arguing over my word choice. I'm trying to get you lynched now GGQ. Cause you're scum.
On September 08 2011 12:16 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 12:12 JeeJee wrote:
This game is off to a wonderful day.
Bada-bapaba. I'm lovin' it. In some ways yeah, but too many people are keeping quiet. Don't let us hog the spotlight, guys!
"Quick, get the attention off of me!"
On September 09 2011 09:34 GGQ wrote:
aight
##vote iGrok
TheAwesomeAll is a fine lynch, too.
He hasn't mentioned any suspicion of these two at all yet. Suddenly they're both good lynches? When someone I think is scum is happy to lynch two people I think are probably town, and without any explanation for it, I get a whole lot more sure those two are town. Also, he's harped at people for voting without providing any explanation, and suddenly he's doing the same thing. I guess the rules don't apply to you when you're mafia, eh?
I hope that cleared up any confusion about why I'm voting him. It's cause he's scum.
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On September 09 2011 11:07 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 09:55 chaos13 wrote:On September 09 2011 07:55 Zona wrote:On September 08 2011 11:11 chaos13 wrote:
I'm not defending JeeJee. In fact, I think he's right up there with GGQ in terms of scumminess. What I am doing is pressuring GGQ because I can see him posting from a mafia perspective. Why the hell are you defending GGQ?
Please tell us why you think JeeJee is scummy. Yeah I looked back through his posts and there was nothing there. Literally. Almost no posts. That was my first thought on him because of his shitty random vote. After filtering him I see he's made about 2 posts with content after that though and neither of them are very scummy. I call major bullshit on this. check the timestamps, all of my major content posts were made before you wrote that post. I didn't make "about two posts of content after that", this is a deliberate lie to absolve yourself of responsibility. If you're a cop, I think chaos is a great visit based on this alone.
Two posts after the random vote you made, ya doorknob. :p
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On September 09 2011 11:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
It does, actually, you ninjaed my one liner that I was about to post.
Basically I was just gonna say that one of you being scum doesn't necessarily rule out both of you being scum. Lol.
I am actually scared with how fast this TAA bandwagon has started. Are mafia really bussing him this early in the game? I haven't seen a single defense of him yet.
I think he's town, if that counts as a defense. How quickly it's started is yet another reason to think he's town. I don't really know how he came up as a major candidate in the first place.
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On September 09 2011 11:24 Curu wrote:
rofl, so my vote randomly attracts people to sheep my vote without thinking he's scum? Clearly you think something is up with TAA too since you keep mentioning him as a major lynch candidate.
He's got 5 votes. No matter who you are that counts as a major lynch candidate.
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On September 09 2011 11:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
How is it ridiculous?
That's pretty much how all townies get bandwagoned early game. Some guy comes along and votes him, half the townies go "OHH SO SCUMMY" and vote the guy while the mafia snicker and sneak their votes in.
I'm now recalling XLIV and sevryn. Remember who started that one too?
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Vigis should not be shooting on Night 1. DT's should be checking Palmar.
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On September 09 2011 13:04 Ace wrote:
wherebugsgo(1) - sinani206
GGQ(3) - JeeJee, chaos13, Zona
iGrok(2) - BayonnetAnderson, GGQ
TheAwesomeAll(9) - Curu, Jackal58, iGrok, sandroba, Palmar, xtfftc, bumatlarge, Mig, wherebugsgo
Mig(1) - TheAwesomeAll
Notice how GGQ is the only one of the three main candidates yesterday who is still alive? Why else do you think the bandwagon on TAA would have filled up so fast? Scum tried to deflect it onto iGrok, but when that failed went to TAA. And who was it who started the bandwagon there? Curu.
Take out GGQ today. He's disappeared to try to get the heat off of him. Vig Curu tonight.
##Vote: GGQ
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On September 11 2011 02:59 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 02:54 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 11 2011 01:27 Jackal58 wrote:On September 11 2011 01:24 BayonnetAnderson wrote:On September 11 2011 01:19 Curu wrote:
And mister smurf man, now that your tunnel has died who do you find scummy? Can I get back to you on that? I was making my net of suspects based on iGrok flipping red, I need to go back and reread the thread and try to figure out what I've overlooked. bleh. Look real hard at Bugs GMan. I see you've been contributing quite a lot this game. -_- Writing 10,000 word essays that don't say jack shit isn't contributing.
Not saying jack shit isn't contributing either.
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On September 11 2011 03:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Wait what the fuck I just noticed something.
Mafia KP is 2 but only one person died last night? Who got saved?
Holy scumslip batman. I don't see KP listed anywhere in the OP.
##Unvote
##Vote wherebugsgo
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On September 11 2011 05:29 sinani206 wrote:
just got here have nothing else to say bro get away from me thought i would stop in again just in case anyone would get mad at my vote and it turns out they did so cool story bro but im voting for wbg no point wasting my time with anything else im being as efficient as possible bro get out
lolwut?
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On September 11 2011 05:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
LOL this is NOT how sinani played in resurrection.
You're doing a nice job of trying to gain him some town cred by attacking him though.
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On September 11 2011 09:32 Curu wrote:
If sinani flips Town I will ask to be replaced and you guys can deal with Kurumi. Would rather not play when there are like two people actually giving effort to play this game.
Ragequitting is not cool. Smarten up.
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On September 11 2011 10:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
I wouldn't blame him if he ragequitted, this game is really bad.
But you're scum, so your opinion doesn't count.
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On September 11 2011 11:01 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 10:55 chaos13 wrote:On September 11 2011 09:32 Curu wrote:
If sinani flips Town I will ask to be replaced and you guys can deal with Kurumi. Would rather not play when there are like two people actually giving effort to play this game. Ragequitting is not cool. Smarten up. If no one else is willing to put any effort to play this game, I see no reason why I should either.
This is something we call pouting, and it is something eight year old girls do.
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On September 12 2011 00:42 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 19:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
LOL
So, I'm mafia because of a "scumslip."
Yeah, you're mafia. If you're going to accuse me of being mafia at least have the balls to vote me. Yes that is a scum slip. A big time scum slip. Your post claims knowledge of the fact. It wasn't an assumption. You "noticed". You weren't posing a question. You weren't hypothesizing. You weren't pondering. You were stating a fact. Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 03:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Wait what the fuck I just noticed something.
Mafia KP is 2 but only one person died last night? Who got saved? Yes sir. That is a scum slip. This guy is scum. Lynch him.
Listen to Jackal. I have no idea how you guys can pass that off as an "assumption". It was a clear statement of fact, not realizing that it wasn't listed in the OP.
As for Zona, I see zero motivation for that claim as mafia. If she was mafia, she would have claimed the hit and roleblock immediately after day started. Then later on, if she was about to be lynched, it would have been easy to bring up the "crumbs" and explain everything. The manner in which the claim was executed (that is to say, with strange timing) means that she's more likely town.
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On September 12 2011 02:11 iGrok wrote:
Hey guys, finally awake now after a ridiculous night, I'm an auburn football fan and we won an unbelievably close game so I partied way too hard... anyways I'm up and reading the thread it'll take me a couple hours to get all my reads in but then I'll be all set to go. Don't end the day without me!
You died. 
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Then I propose an alternative. We lynch one of sandroba/sinani today. We vig wherebugsgo tonight. There is no way he made that big of a mistake as town. I know from the past few games I've played with him he was fanatic about being informed of the setup, which means that if he read the OP he would have realized KP weren't listed there. That's already one point that is different from his town play. Then he makes a slip telling us the KP, when the only people who would know are mafia.
I fail to see how that cannot be a scumslip.
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How about we consolidate votes to WBG? Since he's mafia and all.
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On September 12 2011 10:40 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 10:39 chaos13 wrote:
How about we consolidate votes to WBG? Since he's mafia and all. I think it's clear that you aren't going to get 7 votes on him before the deadline. Same with many of the other candidates being suggested. given sinani's determination to be useless, it's far better to lynch him than to lynch no one. let's go
No lynch is evil.
##unvote
##Vote sinani206
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On September 12 2011 10:42 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 10:25 Mig wrote:
Vote counts right now
Sandroba (3) BA, Palmar, Bum
Curu (1) XT
WBG (3) Chaos, Sinani, Jackal
Sinani (3) Curu, GGQ, Mig
Bum (2) Zona, WBG
XT (1) Sandroba
Around 2.5 hours left in the day we are going to have to consolidate if we are going to have a lynch happen tonight. This is fucking interesting. You counted GGQ's vote before he voted. Clairvoyant?
Told you GGQ was scum.
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On September 12 2011 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 11:57 BayonnetAnderson wrote:On September 12 2011 11:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 12 2011 11:40 sandroba wrote:
To be quite honest with you I simply don't see bum rolling mafia so many times in a row lol This is exactly why I was like uhh no way bum is mafia at first lol This is the *most* retarded reason I have ever seen for calling someone town. You are aware that L rolled mafia his first 7 games? I'm flabbergasted that anyone would even say this... Anyway, can we get a votecount? Please? Dude, I've played 3 games total. bum was mafia in both of the games we were both in lol. It was partly a joke, anyway.
You're so scummy it hurts.
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On September 12 2011 12:13 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 12:00 chaos13 wrote:On September 12 2011 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 12 2011 11:57 BayonnetAnderson wrote:On September 12 2011 11:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 12 2011 11:40 sandroba wrote:
To be quite honest with you I simply don't see bum rolling mafia so many times in a row lol This is exactly why I was like uhh no way bum is mafia at first lol This is the *most* retarded reason I have ever seen for calling someone town. You are aware that L rolled mafia his first 7 games? I'm flabbergasted that anyone would even say this... Anyway, can we get a votecount? Please? Dude, I've played 3 games total. bum was mafia in both of the games we were both in lol. It was partly a joke, anyway. You're so scummy it hurts. You're so bad it's funny. Chaos have you ever had a correct read?
Yeah. You being scum.
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On September 13 2011 02:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
How could a townie be so sure, I wonder?
Oh, right, probably cause you're not a townie.
He's so sure because he's scum.
And the only way he could be 100% sure is if you're scum with him. Reminds me of something Jackal and Coag did in a game once. They got pissed at each other and made the biggest busses ever seen in the history of mafia, and the exact phrase "He is 100% mafia" was thrown around a few times.
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On September 13 2011 09:33 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
To be more explicit, I suspect that it's possible Ace's actual answer will be different from what Palmar supplied. I believe Palmar asked. I believe you're lying.
Jackal, tell me what mafia has to gain from lying in such a situation.
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On September 13 2011 09:41 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 09:38 chaos13 wrote:On September 13 2011 09:33 Jackal58 wrote:On September 13 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
To be more explicit, I suspect that it's possible Ace's actual answer will be different from what Palmar supplied. I believe Palmar asked. I believe you're lying. Jackal, tell me what mafia has to gain from lying in such a situation. Town cred. Hell we don't even know if scum have 2 kp and a role blocker. In a game with 16 players and 1/4 of them are scum 2 kp seems quite OP to me.
So you think PM'ing Ace and asking about medics gets you town cred?
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On September 13 2011 09:48 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 09:45 chaos13 wrote:On September 13 2011 09:41 Jackal58 wrote:On September 13 2011 09:38 chaos13 wrote:On September 13 2011 09:33 Jackal58 wrote:On September 13 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
To be more explicit, I suspect that it's possible Ace's actual answer will be different from what Palmar supplied. I believe Palmar asked. I believe you're lying. Jackal, tell me what mafia has to gain from lying in such a situation. Town cred. Hell we don't even know if scum have 2 kp and a role blocker. In a game with 16 players and 1/4 of them are scum 2 kp seems quite OP to me. So you think PM'ing Ace and asking about medics gets you town cred? Somebody has missed the big picture.
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On September 13 2011 10:02 Palmar wrote:
and the rest of the scumteam (sandroba, mig, chaos? xtf?) are hiding!
lol try harder Palmar.
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On September 13 2011 10:11 wherebugsgo wrote:if chaos tries harder he'll just keep accusing the wrong people lol + Show Spoiler +
You and Palmar are going down.
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Who is it that's still around after the mess of Day 1 when the other two leading lynch candidates flipped town? Who has since flown under the radar and managed to get away with not contributing anything?
That person would be GGQ. Here is his filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261732&user=38664
Take a quick look at it. A quick look is all you need. This guy is scum.
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I was completely convinced on both Palmar and WBG's scumminess yesterday. Obviously, there are some issues with that though.
I would much prefer GGQ to sandroba. sand isn't playing to his usual meta, but that's the biggest part of the argument against him. His actions themselves aren't particularly telling of scumminess.
I would also like to remind everyone of chaoser's DT claim in XLIV. Keep a healthy skepticism.
Palmar, why did you check bum N1 instead of iGrok or GGQ?
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On September 13 2011 22:10 xtfftc wrote:
Is it possible that WBG jailed a mafia on the first night and this is why there was only one KP? I'll check his posts for breadcrumbs and I'd recommend everyone else to do the same.
Due to some alien physics you can't roleblock the Mafia kill though.
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On September 14 2011 04:36 Ace wrote:Day 3 votes
Palmar - sandroba, bumatlarge
Why are mafia not hammering this shut? Two possible scenarios
1. Palmar is scum
2. One or both of sand/bum is scum
I'm more inclined to believe option two is the correct one, since I don't understand Palmar's claim from a mafia perspective. And if Palmar's and Jackal's claims are true, then bumatlarge is scum for sure.
##unvote
##vote bumatlarge
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##unvote
##Vote bumatlarge
Since you missed it earlier
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What the hell just happened? Did two scum just fake claim DT....?
fuck
On September 15 2011 12:59 sandroba wrote:
And if there is actually an SK we just delivered you a list with 3 mafia. Do your job pls.
Yeah unfortunately the quickest way for an SK to win is to side with mafia and kill a townie.
Your scum list is Jackal58, BayonetteAnderson, Mig, and Palmar btw. You're welcome.
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On September 15 2011 21:53 Palmar wrote:
but why did I not get shot from visiting bum?
only thing is that I got bussed somewhere else or something, how does that work?
It works by you being lying scum the whole time.
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lol greatest endgame ever
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If BA hadn't been roleblocked we could have all voted bum and won that day.
For some idiotic reason we didn't change our plan after he was blocked.
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On September 19 2011 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
Actually Ace I didn't make a mistake by speculating mafia KP=2. I did that to trap and make myself look scummy.
Anyone who jumped on my "scumslip" would basically be mafia to me. I caught Palmar and chaos (and if you notice I immediately switched off Jackal onto Palmar near the end of my play) but I thought chaos was just being dumb so I let him slide (mistake)
I also assumed I'd live because no one thought I was a prot role (mafia didn't, but SK did. Mistake)
My third mistake was protting Bayonnet, though in a sense it wasn't terrible because it prevented him from using his day shot.
Never fake a scum slip to catch scum. Of course mafia are going to jump on it. Cause it's a fucking scum slip.
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We didn't shoot bumatlarge because of that first post you made. No town power role is going to say that except someone who wants to get hit. We were thinking vet and I'm very glad we didn't hit you based on your actual role. We never considered the possibility of a PGO.
I may have been the most well-hidden of scum near the end of the game, but Mig or BA surviving was our only hope of winning. We needed their ability to manipulate things during the day. After night 2 my role was pretty much useless, there were so many people dead and we made the decision to forgo secrecy for an endgame blitz. If Mig had been shot instead of me GGQ probably would have won.
Great reading in the Round Table, that's an awesome idea. It's interesting to see the analysis you guys had there. I'm really glad none of you were in the game, or I would have been screwed early on. I got lucky this game. As scum I always like to push bad lynches, cause hell, scum never do that so blatantly. My reasoning against GGQ was shitty though, and I definitely could have improved on that. With all the random votes and bickering at the beginning of the game there were so many chances to make a non-scummy vote and contribute to the chaos that I completely missed cause I was stuck thinking "Don't make a scummy vote, don't make a scummy vote."
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