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Vote him if he shows up and is still scummy, vote someone else for now. As for sinani, I don't care. If someone plays like that and straight up pisses over the game then I will call them out. I'm fine with "new playstyles" or whatever but that's not lurking, it's not trolling, it's just downright fucking annoying. | ||
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I don't even understand what your aim was. If your playstyle screws with town atmosphere then you're going to get lynched. Just read your own filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261732&user=128360 Responding to questions with this: On September 11 2011 09:01 sinani206 wrote: im the only thing going on No reads: On September 11 2011 10:41 sinani206 wrote: what does my favorite role have to do with contributing? i dont understand that. anyway, i dont have any reads atm. But you're okay with voting me for a "scumslip?" Get real dude, you're scum or you're playing like shit. Townies always have stuff to contribute. You miss the vote day 1, then come back and do this: On September 11 2011 05:29 sinani206 wrote: just got here have nothing else to say bro get away from me thought i would stop in again just in case anyone would get mad at my vote and it turns out they did so cool story bro but im voting for wbg no point wasting my time with anything else im being as efficient as possible bro get out Wtf? You have done NOTHING all game. And you wonder why people are mad at you? | ||
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Dr. H is a girl. | ||
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On September 11 2011 12:13 Curu wrote: Palmar basically took everything that made his chaotic playstyle Pro Town and removed it, keeping the anti Town and unhelpful elements while eliminating the parts that actually helped find scum. . My wording was bad, but Curu did point out that Palmar used his same style from XLIV but removed the protown elements. I happened to remember that Curu pointed this out, and that Palmar promised he wouldn't use that type of playstyle (post XLIV IIRC). That's all I meant with that. | ||
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So, I'm mafia because of a "scumslip." Yeah, you're mafia. If you're going to accuse me of being mafia at least have the balls to vote me. | ||
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I'm on my phone right now, I'll make this short and sweet: I've FoSed a lot of people this game, because honestly I don't know what to make of half of the behavior that's been going on. Between yesterday's bandwagons, today's inactivity/trolling/whatever and being accused of being mafia on a "scumslip," my reads are just going all over the place. I'm going to try to consolidate them today so we can lynch mafia. Our lynch today needs to be one of bum/sinani/Palmar IMO. The problem right now obviously is that a number of our suspicions just keep avoiding the thread (like GGQ). Xt has also avoided the thread today. To be completely honest I haven't seriously considered either of these players yet because of their total lack of activity today. Between bum and sinani I have no preference. Sinani seems to have wisened up but I really don't see why we should keep him alive. However, I need to call particular attention to Palmar and Jackal's play; both of them TOGETHER., because people need to really consider them as linked. Think about what they've done this game. Palmar: has basically screwed with town atmosphere both days by pushing a townie that has made slight mistakes or appears scummy/appears to be playing badly. That was Mig yesterday (where IMO Mig's play was fine, he just forgot a couple things and palmar took advantage of that) and it's me today. His argument for me being mafia is that my play is terrible, so therefore I'm mafia because apparently my play wasn't terrible before. What the fuck? Since when is someone mafia for being terrible? Someone is mafia for making contradictions, committing strange voting patterns, and not contributing/not having the will to contribute truthfully. Palmar has done all three of those things this game. Filter him for now; when I get on my computer in 30 minutes or so I'll clarify this more with some quotes that I remember. As for Jackal, he's pretty much done the same thing. He keeps going on about the scumslip as if it's damning evidence that I'm mafia. He's also contributed absolutely nothing but bad town atmosphere. He took my accusation one step further though, by accusing zona and setting her up to be scrutinized as well (another waste of time) How do I know that? Cause I'm a townie and IMO based on my BEHAVIOR that should be obvious. Both Jackal and Palmar aren't dumb enough to paint someone as mafia based on a "scumslip". Had chaos not voted me first I'm sure they would've both been cautious about it. I'll be back soon with specific quotes and reasons for linking the two. | ||
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If Zona is a vet then it makes sense she'd get shot day 1. It would suggest there are vets who have played with Zona before on the scumteam. Jackal stands out to me as such a possibility because of how he attacked her claim. I'm writing it up now btw | ||
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On September 12 2011 04:29 Jackal58 wrote: Every post you make has a different "list" You're not consolidating shit. I have never to my knowledge played with her before. And if we're tracking connections I'd say you and Zona are joined at the hip. Give me your reasons for me being scum, then. Oh, right because I made a "scumslip" and my reads are bad so I have a bunch of lists. Your argument is terrible. | ||
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On September 12 2011 04:51 Jackal58 wrote: Is OK with either TAA or iGrok lynch Begins to distance himself from the flip. Does it some more. Oh lookie. Another list. More "I think he's town" What happened here? And then you apply the hammer. You're scum Bro. The scum slip just seals the deal. I applied the hammer because I promised I'd switch if people needed me to switch. I trusted the rest of the town's opinions, since I've played only 2 full games. My own opinion was that TAA was not mafia. Had I said I would've switched but I didn't switch, I would've been blamed for a no-lynch. Had I sheeped the vote, I would've acted contrary to my own opinions, and willingly and knowingly helped lynch a townie (a scum move) So, I did what I did; I fulfilled my promise to vote on TAA, but at the same time I provided my opinion in the case that anyone agreed with it. Clearly no one did, since no one actually switched off him. No one else tried to stop that TAA lynch. | ||
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If I were mafia I wouldn't have applied the hammer, that just brings too much attention. The sweet spot is right in the middle, which is where, IMO, most mafia are when bandwagons appear. This allows them to blend in. So, if we are to look at the TAA bandwagon, I'd say we can find 2 mafia right in the middle of the voting order. | ||
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TheAwesomeAll(9) - Curu, Jackal58, iGrok, sandroba, Palmar, xtfftc, bumatlarge, Mig wherebugsgo Middle band right there. I say we can find at LEAST two mafia right there. The only one of my current four suspects that's not in there is sinani, and he just missed the vote day 1. bum, Palmar, and Jackal are my current suspicions. I really doubt Curu is mafia, iGrok is already dead, sandroba's excuse is believable, xt is completely unreadable, and Mig/Palmar are polar opposites and I'm leaning toward Palmar being scum over Mig. I'm going to spoiler the individual analysis so I can put the Palmar/Jackal connection out there. Palmar: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On September 09 2011 09:27 Palmar wrote: there isn't much to go on with TAA, the thing is he agrees with me mig is very likely scum, it could be an attempt to distance himself or something. But he usually doesn't lurk and one-line this hard as town. There is another thing that I'm leaning town on Bumatlarge too, so his vote on Bum makes no sense to me, I think I'm down with lynching TAA yeah. I actually like him better than GGQ, and iGrok is almost definitely not scum. let's do it. ##Unvote Mig ##Vote TheAwesomeAll Nothing much to go on with TAA... But I'm going to vote him anyway! Palmar doesn't vote like that as town. + Show Spoiler + On September 11 2011 18:27 Palmar wrote: Right. I don't agree with any case on Bumatlarge, I think I've gotten a grasp on how he plays town and how he plays scum, this is almost purely based on his day 1 posting, I'm pretty sure scumatlarge doesn't play like he did on day one, so let's rule him out. Curu is almost definitely town, thing about people going emotional is that it makes it very easy to pick out actual frustrated town, and scum trying to blend in with that atmosphere, something I'll come back to later. The only problem with Curu as town is that his reads are below his standards, but his posting is way too natural and unrestricted for him to possibly be scum. the smurf is town too. The shot was just terrible, but the intents behind it seem genuine enough. He also seems to be putting in the effort to actually scumhunt. The shot was really fucking dumb, but I'd still defend this guy at the moment. And Sinani206 is using the I-don't-give-a-shit attitude he sometimes dons when he plays terribly. It's terrible, but it's TOWN. I can't believe this guy is even up for lynching today, he got deflected on after WBG scumslipped like a boss faster than lightning, what the hell guys? Zona is probably town, claims a shot. No idea why she would play a veteran like that, hasn't stuck her neck out at all this game. It's just a weird style overall, her attack on Bum is just... derp. It's a bad lynch and it's never going to fly. I can't really say I have reads on Jackal/Chaos13. Jackal doesn't post anything useful at all, which is consistent with his scum and town meta. chaos13 looks shadier. xtf is just pushing bad lynches, but I don't know if it's bad or scum. GGQ is kinda scummy too, but I really don't know, I think I'm fairly convinced on three people, and GGQ, Jackal, Chaos13 and xtf, could all fill that fourth spot. First, he completely dismisses any case on bum. Wtf? Doesn't even consider it. That's really strange to me. Then he gives a bunch of town reads on obvious townies. Then, a bunch of "idk" reads on several people who would make great suspects today (jackal, chaos, GGQ, xt). because of their behavior over their past days. IMO, from a scum position Palmar is trying to get towncred with this post and at the same time throw suspicion off potential lynch targets. + Show Spoiler + On September 11 2011 18:27 Palmar wrote: Those three people are Mig: Pushing scum agenda day 1, flat out lying about my style of play. He's been wrong time and time again and he's again fucking wrong with sinani206. Seriously HOW FUCKING FAST did that shit get deflected away from his partner - ##Vote Sandroba Mig is mafia because he's wrong. Whoa dude, townies are wrong more often than mafia are. Just because Mig is wrong doesn't make him mafia (and I don't think he's been that wrong about a lot of things anyway) Mig has been completely right about sinani, IMO. Sinani has been active lurking all day and he was the one to actually point out how sinani has been posting in other threads while reading this one. Sinani also came back RIGHT when chaos voted me and sheeped chaos's vote on me. That's pretty scummy, I have to agree with Mig on his vote on sinani. Palmar dismisses the case on Sinani just as fast as he dismisses the case on bum. Sinani and bum are the top lynch candidates today, why would you just dismiss them both? Neither candidate has gained votes very fast, I can assure you that. The votes are split so hard it doesn't even seem like we can get a lynch off. + Show Spoiler + On September 11 2011 18:27 Palmar wrote: - Wherebugsgo: He's basically mirroring what Curu has to say, because you'know, if townies can go raging, scum can do it too and look very green! Also did I mention that he just told us the mafia has 2kp, which basically confirms Zona's claim and also confirms him as mafia. like it's not even done there, he has jumped two shitty town wagons today, on sinani206 and bumatlarge, based on nothing. I have a town read on both of those which makes it basically malicious derp play from wbg. I can't believe these guys managed to talk you out of lynching him, but it's fine, since some of town seems to have gotten a decent read too. on his partner Sandroba. Just read Bayonet's analysis. Sandroba doesn't just fucking disappear during day2, he likes to break games. On day one Sandroba just followed along with whatever town was doing instead of being the stubborn asshole he tends to be as town, which is basically ringing alarm bells in my head. I backed off Curu because I realized he was town. Also, I wasn't mirroring him, I was genuinely pissed off at the fact that NO ONE was posting. It was near impossible to gather any decent thoughts during that time. Finally, neither the votes on sinani nor bum are wagons. The vote on ME is a wagon (look at how fast those initial votes showed up, for no reason whatsoever.) If someone is voting sinani or bum, they have pretty good reason to at this point; both players have played in a fashion that is telling of mafia, in PARTICULAR sinani. Stop with the subliminal pushing of sinani and bum being town, you're full of shit on that. + Show Spoiler + On September 11 2011 18:27 Palmar wrote: I can't believe these guys managed to talk you out of lynching him, but it's fine, since some of town seems to have gotten a decent read too. on his partner Sandroba. So here's a couple behavioral contradictions: From the looks of Palmar's post, the strongest case he has is on me. However, he votes sandroba pretty much based on the fact that most of the rest of the town suspects sandroba. He then cites Bayonnet's case on Sandroba and sheeps that case/vote without actually providing his own opinions. So, I'm scum because I've apparently bandwagoned and sheeped other people's thoughts, but Palmar can do the same thing with respect to sandroba. This is a scum double standard. Jackal + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On September 09 2011 06:24 Jackal58 wrote: That makes perfect sense/////////// If you're not quite sane. ##VOTE: TheAwesomeAll I encourage everybody to vote for one of these derps voting for no reason. Pick a couple and we'll consolidate. This game is pure bullshit so far. Behavioral contradiction. He encourages people to vote for "one of the derps" who is voting others for no reason, then votes for TAA for no reason. + Show Spoiler + On September 10 2011 22:53 Jackal58 wrote: Curu? The derp fest appears to have ended. Sandroba needs to post some more. He's not playing the townie Sandroba Palmar hasn't called everybody scum yet. That's different. Mig is calling sinani scum for being online and not voting. I'd think scum would be inclined to vote more than a townie. I know I follow games much closer when I'm scum. Mig is my favorite to lynch so far today. Isn't this a list, Jackal? Don't be a hypocrite. Look at these opinions. Mig was calling sinani scum for being an active lurker. That's EXACTLY what mafia do! His opinion on Palmar is that he's "different." His opinion on sandroba is that he needs to post more. Mig is his favorite to lynch, but he doesn't vote! He doesn't back up his accusations with a vote. In fact, his entire accusation is based on the fact that Jackal would play scum differently. Scum have varying styles, accusing Mig based on this is just retarded. + Show Spoiler + On September 12 2011 00:42 Jackal58 wrote: The only people left in this game Bugs has not FoSed. BayonnetAnderson Zona chaos13 xtfftc And to be fair he simply called Chaos stupid. Everybody else is lurking/trolling/not participating. Yet Zona/Bayonette/xtfftc haven't really said shit either. But they're not scummy. Yes that is a scum slip. A big time scum slip. Your post claims knowledge of the fact. It wasn't an assumption. You "noticed". You weren't posing a question. You weren't hypothesizing. You weren't pondering. You were stating a fact. Yes sir. That is a scum slip. This guy is scum. Lynch him. Zona's claim is too convenient and much to late after the fact to be believable. Her next post also claims a RB. Bullshit. You knew that when you claimed the hit but conveniently neglected to mention it. It's only purpose is to answer a BS question from a scum buddy. On TAA You sure used the hammer on him though. Lynch this guy. When he flips red then Zona. I've already gone over this one, however: Read this post carefully. Look especially at what he says about Zona. Zona's claim is 100% believable. No mafia would claim hit, roleblock, AND vig all at the same time, then show a breadcrumb. Finally, he sets me up to be a lynch target, but then follows it up by saying "lynch Zona after." Well, ladies and gentlemen, in the case you lynch me, I'll flip town, and then jackal will disappear cause he was dead wrong. He's basically trying to get you all to lynch me and then go "oh wtf now what do we do" when the link between myself and Zona proves to be nonexistent by my flip. Also, I DID FoS a lot of people and that's actually why I was pissed off, because I know that so many people can't all be mafia. I was frustrated with the way no one was posting and that made everyone look shady to me. However, since then people have posted and I've dropped my accusations on Curu, Mig, iGrok (for obvious reasons) etc. Oh and also I haven't FoSed GGQ either, he and xt are in the same boat information-wise to me. Palmar and Jackal There are several things that stand out. Palmar and Jackal are both pretty good players. I feel a connection. Both players showed strong suspicions of Mig early, both of them calling him "the best lynch today" despite voting otherwise. Palmar at least voted Mig day 1, but he quickly switched off to TAA when it was obvious Mig wasn't gaining steam. Jackal made his "suspicion" of Mig very clear after the daypost, but said nothing about him before OR after. This suggests that his suspicion of Mig was probably premeditated. Look at these quotes: + Show Spoiler [Palmar Mig Vote] + On September 09 2011 09:06 Palmar wrote: Did you roll scum again? Just explain to me, if you were scum, what's the mentality behind doing exactly what iGrok is doing? Why would any scum ever do what he did? He's drawing attention to himself, he's putting his neck out there with an opinion. I'd much rather look at people who are trying to skirt by with little posting and just calling out people for policies. iGrok is a bad lynch, that's an opinion, you say I don't explain it enough, that's not actually an opinion on me being scum, it's a policy. If I wrote an analysis would I cease to be scummy? You're actually playing right to your scum meta of looking for "scumtells" and trying to lynch people on them instead of thinking about it. Mig is probably our best lynch tonight, he's not this bad as town. Pushing bad lynches is mig's favourite shit to do as scum. Remember this if you have a gun tonight. I'll be voting Mig. ##Vote Mig I'm gonna re-read ggq's posts, iGrok is almost definitely town, so if it comes to it I'll rather support a ggq lynch + Show Spoiler [Jackal Mig Suspicion] + On September 10 2011 22:53 Jackal58 wrote: Curu? The derp fest appears to have ended. Sandroba needs to post some more. He's not playing the townie Sandroba Palmar hasn't called everybody scum yet. That's different. Mig is calling sinani scum for being online and not voting. I'd think scum would be inclined to vote more than a townie. I know I follow games much closer when I'm scum. Mig is my favorite to lynch so far today. Both had really shitty reasons for bandwagonning TAA, when (AFAIK) neither of them are dumb enough to dismiss the fact that a bandwagon is forming on a townie. If iGrok was obvious townie to Palmar then how could he miss the "equally" obvious fact that TAA was a townie? TAA was bandwagoned by all of us yesterday for equally shitty reasons, but the behavior of Jackal and Palmar with respect to their votes and how their suspicions have formed line up with a mafia agenda. Both Jackal and Palmar are adamant about my "scumslip" painting me as mafia. Neither player (again, AFAIK) paints a person as mafia based on a single mistake. A player is mafia not because of what mistakes they make, but how they make them. Both Palmar and Jackal have focused on this supposed scumslip when they should know better. And I think they do, they're just misleading us. Finally, neither player has interacted very much with the other. Neither player has contributed anything beneficial to the town yet, and the interaction between them is very minimal. Both of these things stand out as being strange to me. | ||
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I've got my vote on bum, I believe Zona's claim. Even if she's wrong, she's put herself out there, and I really doubt mafia would do something like that. With less than 7 and a half hours left in the day I think the Palmar/Jackal deal can develop till tomorrow. By then they will have posted more, currently I don't think pushing for one of their lynches is a productive thing to do. However, I think it's important that everyone consider them and think about their behavior and how it lines up with their agenda. | ||
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On September 12 2011 05:59 Jackal58 wrote: Blow it out your wazoo bugs. My contribution is pointing out you are scum so I make no contributions. You're scum bro. lol. Of course you haven't contributed anything, cause I'm not scum! Yay logic. Also, I'm not backing off Sandroba. I still find his behavior really weird. I find his explanation plausible, and weirder things have happened this game. iGrok, for example, was town but clearly not paying attention at all, he died and then didn't even realize he got shot for looking scummy. Sinani and bum are just better lynches than sandroba atm. I like a Jackal lynch tomorrow, btw. | ||
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 I just want to point out that bum is helping to split the votes right now by going after chaos. Sinani and bum. If we can't agree there then sandroba. Anyone else today is unproductive. Palmar who is your vote on right now? | ||
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On September 12 2011 06:46 Jackal58 wrote: Constant OMGUS You are a better lynch than anybody. Dude this is exactly how you were acting when I accused you of being scum in resurrection. This time you got the vote on me before I made my suspicions clear, but it doesn't change my read, and it doesn't make it OMGUS. I've suspected you since day 1, and I'm fairly certain I'm right. | ||
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Jackal is mafia. Also, this post is very good: On September 12 2011 10:34 Zona wrote: I might not be able to be here for the deadline, but I want to reiterate that I want everyone to seriously consider lynching bumatlarge. My case has been posted here and bumatlarge's subsequent posts don't contradict the evidence I provided. I believe a sandroba lynch is not as good, because sandroba has been inactive, with a single scummy action in the vote for theawesomeall out of nowhere. bumatlarge has far more scummy actions, and hasn't added much to the discussion since then. sandroba has promised to be more active in the near future - and we can hold him to that, because if he really goes inactive again, do you think Ace will offer him leniency again? When sandroba becomes more active, we'll have a lot more to go on to get a read on him, instead of just a few posts. And if sandroba doesn't become more active, we'll insist that Ace modkill him. I also believe a sinani lynch is not as good, because sinani's behavior is entirely indefensible. This means both town and scum can jump on the lynch offering much less insight. I say that a vig shot would be best here. This is good reasoning. This outlines why we should kill bum with the lynch instead of sinani. If sinani is purposely throwing himself out there, or getting bussed, because he's a weaker mafia target, then we should lynch another suspect and then vig him. This way, by the way the voting unfolds we know who's mafia and who's not. On September 12 2011 10:39 Zona wrote: Oh, someone asked me about which of the players in this game I've played with, if I recall correctly it would be Mig/Palmar/bumatlarge/TheAwesomeAll in Arkham Asylum (which sandroba cohosted) sandroba/GGQ/Mig/Curu/Palmar/chaos13/TheAwesomeAll/JeeJee in World at War 2 (what fun that was) Those are the only two games I've played here in recent memory. That was me, Zona. That actually helps quite a bit; Palmar and sandroba were both games. I'm leaning mafia on Palmar. This may be an indication of why Zona was shot yesterday. | ||
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On September 12 2011 10:53 Zona wrote: Alright, whatever. It's clear my case isn't getting traction. ##Vote sinani And Mig, what a terrible mistake for you to make no matter what alignment you are. I'm sure we'll be looking hard at you tomorrow. oh fuck me never mind. So we're not lynching bum? | ||
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MAYBE Mig and GGQ. But I doubt it. | ||
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