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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 02 2011 16:55 GMT
#11
/in please
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 06 2011 03:24 GMT
#55
LOL he removed me
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 06 2011 03:38 GMT
#57
On September 06 2011 12:34 Ace wrote:
yea, I'm not so sure on your actual ability and no one has vouched you. Tough luck.

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On September 06 2011 12:05 GGQ wrote:
On September 06 2011 11:34 bumatlarge wrote:
I'll /in then!


Like Ace is gonna let you play, you scrub!

Is this a no-flip game btw?


There will be flips.

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On September 06 2011 11:29 Nisani201 wrote:
wtf? so we have no information on how the game works?


This is a normal game by all accounts with a hidden role list. Just think of it like that.


I SHALL BE BACK

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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 06:19:42
September 06 2011 05:59 GMT
#63
/confirm

told you I'd be back
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 07 2011 00:54 GMT
#80
##eye Curu
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 07 2011 01:00 GMT
#83
On September 07 2011 09:58 GGQ wrote:
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On September 07 2011 09:33 chaos13 wrote:
How about you scummy bastards calm down and wait for day to start.


FOS for discouraging discussion


herro fellow AoE player
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 07 2011 01:14 GMT
#85
On September 07 2011 10:05 GGQ wrote:
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On September 07 2011 10:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
On September 07 2011 09:58 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 09:33 chaos13 wrote:
How about you scummy bastards calm down and wait for day to start.


FOS for discouraging discussion


herro fellow AoE player


hihi, you read my profile? Dutch 4lyf


DUDE I love Dutch. I played Dutch a lot.

Although for my first 4-6 months in vanilla I was really good at Russians (back when Germans+Spanish dominated everything)
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 07 2011 02:29 GMT
#89
On September 07 2011 11:12 GGQ wrote:
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On September 07 2011 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
On September 07 2011 10:05 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 10:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
On September 07 2011 09:58 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 09:33 chaos13 wrote:
How about you scummy bastards calm down and wait for day to start.


FOS for discouraging discussion


herro fellow AoE player


hihi, you read my profile? Dutch 4lyf


DUDE I love Dutch. I played Dutch a lot.

Although for my first 4-6 months in vanilla I was really good at Russians (back when Germans+Spanish dominated everything)


For serious AoE3 hipster cred, you have to remember the days that French were unstoppable (20% more effective workers lololol)


wat

I started AoE3 5 months after it was released and I don't remember this
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 07 2011 02:51 GMT
#94
On September 07 2011 11:42 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh game didn't start yet? I FAILURE


If you take FAILURE you can get an anagram out of it:

"U'RE FAIL"

kinda like my name
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 07 2011 03:14 GMT
#97
NO

try harder

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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 07 2011 04:42 GMT
#104
##vote bumatlarge for being a failure

also because he's always scum in the games I play

aka twice so far
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 08 2011 03:19 GMT
#159
On September 08 2011 11:20 iGrok wrote:
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On September 08 2011 10:45 sandroba wrote:
On September 08 2011 09:47 iGrok wrote:
On September 08 2011 08:04 sandroba wrote:
Sup I don't think GGQ is scum. Suspcious people to me so far are iGrok and xfttfc whose behaviour day1 is 100% different than mafia xliv. xftc is being too absurdly confindent about his reads and even basing an entire scum team out of them when the game was only one page long (LOL). The whole notion is so ridiculous that to me it seems he is over compensating for his behaviour in the last game where he was townie and was found scummy by a lot of others. Makes no sense for a townie to throw acusations into 4 players this early with so little info, but it makes a lot of sense for scum to try to create this sort of confusion. I'd like you gather your thoughts and post in a more coherent manner until I decide if you are scum or not.

You said you were suspicious of me and then gave no reasons. Do you have any?

You pretty much started the shit fest day1 with your arbitrary vote and then tryed to make it seem it had some thought behind it, when it was clearly a random vote. Your response seem to be trying too hard to justify it, instead of just admiting it was shitty reasoning and you were only trying to get discussion going. In sumary your first post didn't sit well with me and your response did not help either.
I'd actually like your opinion on someone that has posted in this thread.


First of all, I didn't "start the shit fest day1".

The shitfest had been going on since Curu voted Palmer pre-game. But that specific shitfest started with WBG's Random Vote.

Second of all


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On September 08 2011 02:59 iGrok wrote:
On September 08 2011 00:56 sandroba wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:25 iGrok wrote:
Lets do this


With a smurf in the game, I have nothing to base your actions off of. I want you to contribute a lot, so that I can get a good read off of you.

Until then, you make me uncomfortable.

##Vote Bayonet Anderson


Yo iGrok, if you are going to start a RVS why do you go out of your way to make it neat and make it seem justifiable? You ought to know that's no valid reason to vote, why make it seem so?

I consider that a valid reason to vote. With no setup knowledge other than my own role, I'm a little on edge anyways.

This is trying hard to justify it?

Look, if you want to tunnel someone, that's fine. Just pick someone else to fight with.


Oh sheet

iGrok: "I vote this guy for random reason X"

bunch of other people: "I vote this other guy for random other reason y/z/a/b/c"

sandroba: "iGrok why you so scummy why you gotta start shit bro"

iGrok: "I not scummy just look at this guy and this guy they started it! don't blame me bro its their fault"

sandroba:

"[image loading]"

me:

Wtf this guy's scum. He's dodging "responsibility" on a supposed random vote.

If it was a random vote and you didn't start the shitfest then why you so dodgy, iBro? Why you gotta shift the blame to other people instead of manning up and defending your actions? We aren't responsible for you!

##unvote bumatlarge

##vote iGrok
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 08 2011 05:40 GMT
#161
Yeah I did, filter me lol
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#184
On September 09 2011 02:25 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
iGrok

Ah, random voting, the most useless way to possibly kick a game off. Arguing about lurkers is better than this. Seriously, does anyone feel threatened at all with 1/9 votes? Any risk of death?

Now, iGrok, lets talk about him shall we

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On September 08 2011 02:59 iGrok wrote:
On September 08 2011 00:56 sandroba wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:25 iGrok wrote:
Lets do this


With a smurf in the game, I have nothing to base your actions off of. I want you to contribute a lot, so that I can get a good read off of you.

Until then, you make me uncomfortable.

##Vote Bayonet Anderson


Yo iGrok, if you are going to start a RVS why do you go out of your way to make it neat and make it seem justifiable? You ought to know that's no valid reason to vote, why make it seem so?

I consider that a valid reason to vote. With no setup knowledge other than my own role, I'm a little on edge anyways.


This jumps out at me, this is so... unnecessarily defensive, I don't think I've ever been "on edge" when rolling town. I mean as town I don't really care that much if I die or if a couple of idiots vote for me, its almost par for the course. I generally don't even acknowledge the first votes thrown at me, nor do most town, as we know we are innocent. We certainly have nothing to fear, why then is iGrok scared and on edge? What motivation is there for this "edginess", from a town perspective? None, at least none that I can see.

Lets compare this "edginess" with what iGrok usually does as town. From XLIV, his first post upon replacing

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On August 25 2011 10:19 iGrok wrote:
[image loading]


Doesn't seem that on edge to me, no real nervousnessor attempts at justification, just "this is what I think, deal with it!" There is not "oh no, I better avoid people tunneling me, what are people going to think of me" namely there is not fear no emotional undercurrent that suggests iGrok might be hiding something, even though there is a bit of doubt its not the prominent part of the post, its not dominating it, unlike the majority of his posts here.

This post right here gives a similar emotional vibe to the first quote I posted, namely fear and discomfort

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On September 08 2011 11:20 iGrok wrote:
On September 08 2011 02:59 iGrok wrote:
On September 08 2011 00:56 sandroba wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:25 iGrok wrote:
Lets do this


With a smurf in the game, I have nothing to base your actions off of. I want you to contribute a lot, so that I can get a good read off of you.

Until then, you make me uncomfortable.

##Vote Bayonet Anderson


Yo iGrok, if you are going to start a RVS why do you go out of your way to make it neat and make it seem justifiable? You ought to know that's no valid reason to vote, why make it seem so?

I consider that a valid reason to vote. With no setup knowledge other than my own role, I'm a little on edge anyways.

This is trying hard to justify it?

Look, if you want to tunnel someone, that's fine. Just pick someone else to fight with.

Can no one else smell the tinge of fear from this post? Note that this desire to avoid the spotlight, this deep fear isn't present in his play as town in mafia XLIV, where he was not at all afraid to be a nexus of attention. Notice he *really* doesn't want to be tunneled, he wants to be away from the spotlight

Compare the above "oh don't tunnel me" to iGrok's response to being called scum by wherebugsgo in XLIV

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On August 27 2011 13:26 iGrok wrote:
@WBG:
You still think I'm mafia? After I started the vote for Mig, shot down attempts to split votes between Mig and BB, and... well I haven't told you why Kurumi is scum yet. I've got to think about when to release that, I'm not sure if it'd be better far in advance or right before daypost.


Notice the absolute lack of fear in fact there is a bit of arrogance in the post, that is the attitude of a town player. Fear and anger are what I see in iGrok's posts so far this game, not a tinge of arrogance or that "deal with it" tone from mafia XLIV.

Its interesting that iGrok apparently notices this change (probably informed by his team) and drops back to an arrogant tone with things like

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On September 08 2011 11:21 iGrok wrote:
Oh, and I'll give my opinions on people when I'm damn well ready.


Which is a magnificent change, but far too late, and still out of character. The major sticking point of this in my mind is that while iGrok was arrogant in XLIV, his arrogance was always *useful*, while he did post with some arrogance and willfulness it was never stuff like "we'll I don't feel like helping right now", generally he didn't shut down avenues of conversation like this, arrogance was also one of his major sticking points in mafia XL, where he was the mafia godfather, and he took an "everyone but me sucks" approach to the game, which got him lynched day 2, this looks like a lapse into similar behavior. What motivation does a townie have for refusing to give his reads?

This evidence is pretty damning. iGrok's fear and doubt have become his undoing, iGrok is almost certainly scum.

##Vote: iGrok

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Hi GMarshal.

I agree though, we should kill iGrok. Doesn't make much sense to withhold your opinions as a townie, and iGrok is doing exactly that.

Then, there's this:


On September 09 2011 04:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
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On September 09 2011 02:25 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
iGrok

Ah, random voting, the most useless way to possibly kick a game off. Arguing about lurkers is better than this. Seriously, does anyone feel threatened at all with 1/9 votes? Any risk of death?

i disagree, ive never really seen a rvs on teamliquid and imo it basicly quick started the game. (i like the random talking about the game better)
random vote, ergo scum, is a pretty bad base for an analysis. the rest of your analysis is pretty good but starting it of with that random vote makes me think you are mainly attacking him because he voted for you.


Which takes GMarshal's Anderson's entire argument and degenerates it into one "based upon a random vote" when in reality, if you actually read the rest of it, is completely untrue.

TAA is somewhat suspicious for wanting to discredit Anderson here.

(Is this why you voted him, Curu?)

On September 09 2011 04:23 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 04:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
On September 09 2011 02:25 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
iGrok

Ah, random voting, the most useless way to possibly kick a game off. Arguing about lurkers is better than this. Seriously, does anyone feel threatened at all with 1/9 votes? Any risk of death?

i disagree, ive never really seen a rvs on teamliquid and imo it basicly quick started the game. (i like the random talking about the game better)
random vote, ergo scum, is a pretty bad base for an analysis. the rest of your analysis is pretty good but starting it of with that random vote makes me think you are mainly attacking him because he voted for you.

None of my case is based on it being random voting, read the actual case. I'm simply saying I think its stupid, but towns do it all the time, its not really a tell either way.

Way to take a single line and use it to try to discredit a whole case. I was just pointing out that I believe the RVS is utterly worthless, NOT that iGrok is scum for starting/participating in it.


I would disagree with this, just on the principle that the RVS is exactly what allowed us to identify whose behavior was strange.

A townie shouldn't be afraid of voting someone. They can add additional justification when asked, rather than preemptively adding justification in anticipation of being called out. That fear, as you yourself described, comes from someone who is afraid of being singled out or someone who is afraid of attention.

More often than not such people are mafia.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 08 2011 20:47 GMT
#187
On September 09 2011 05:36 Curu wrote:
Let's get this thread going. If not TAA I would be down for GGQ.


Whoa wtf what happened to iGrok?

Post some analysis or I'll push for your lynch so you can't pull an XLIV
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 08 2011 20:52 GMT
#190
On September 09 2011 05:51 Palmar wrote:
Didn't even know TAA was playing. I think iGrok is a bad lynch, GGQ is by far the better alternative.


Can you explain?

What do you think about Curu?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 08 2011 21:14 GMT
#196
On September 09 2011 06:07 Curu wrote:
I don't agree with the case on iGrok. I don't think scum would put themselves so out there at the start of the game without trying to push something, and he's not really trying to push any objective. I find GGQ a bit suspicious for trying to throw suspicion on an obvious RV before the game even started.

TAA's posts have been a lot of nothing relevant. I feel best about him, especially with his response to Bayonnet's post. He says it's good analysis but then that it's all irrelevant because it's an OMGUS. If it's good analysis it obviously isn't an OMGUS.


Thanks for clarifying, and I agree with the bolded. (guess I was right then?)


On September 09 2011 06:10 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
i basicly tell him its stupid to introduce someone as the dude whos voting for me is scum because of this :


wat

So, we have 7 hours to make this lynch happen. iGrok/GGQ/TAA, let's go.

TAA needs to post more, GGQ I wanna hear from you about these guys.

Actually, I wanna hear from all three of you about the current suspect list.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 09 2011 01:52 GMT
#253
One of Palmar/Mig is scum methinks. IMO it might be Mig, because Palmar actually did defend townies in XLIV (I distinctly remember him giving Sevryn 0.2% chance to flip town) and he defended hiro and xt as well.

In cosmic I feel like he did the same but Palmar was alive when I wasn't in the game and I don't remember too well ATM (not quoting stuff cause I'm on my phone)

Would Mig purposely forget these things or is he just being ignorant as town? Iunno but from what I understand about his town play...neither is a likely town explanation.

Anyway, at the current lynches:

I say we keep it between TAA and iGrok. Either is an acceptable lynch to me but I'm not sold on GGQ. I'll switch off iGrok if we require lynching assistance
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 09 2011 02:07 GMT
#256
It does, actually, you ninjaed my one liner that I was about to post.

Basically I was just gonna say that one of you being scum doesn't necessarily rule out both of you being scum. Lol.

I am actually scared with how fast this TAA bandwagon has started. Are mafia really bussing him this early in the game? I haven't seen a single defense of him yet.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 09 2011 02:20 GMT
#261
He came up cause Curu came along and slammed down a vote on him.

Curu you scum?
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