Cosmic Horror Mafia - Page 2

On August 25 2011 08:42 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


At the moment, my views hinge on two important people
1) If MrWiggles turns out not to be the eldritch, then I believe Ferryman to be the eldritch himself. On the off-chance Wiggles isn't the eldritch, then I believe Ferryman to be town, based off various arguments that Ferryman has made against wiggles.
2) If Tnkted is mafia, I believe Navillus to also be mafia because Tnkted chose to ignore what Navillus said at the start of day 1 about being a townie, before looking a few posts further and voting Palmar based off his joke, this would also make Palmar innocent in my eyes. Again, this is perfectly inversed.

On August 25 2011 12:07 chaos13 wrote:
tnkted




To begin with, we have him attacking an apparent scum slip by Palmar. Anyone with eyes can see that his slip was intended as a joke post, but apparently that's worth a vote.

This was a joke pressure anyway, to which palmar responded scummilly.



...and a crumb is worth an unvote.




And then a realization that it could have been a faked crumb is worth voting again.



Here is where tnkted really begins to show his scumminess. The first paragraph can be ignored. Paragraph #2 contains a multitude of mafia traits. To begin with, he agrees with Ferryman's position, but still feels that Palmar is a better lynch. Why? Because Wiggles is tough to get a read on. This is a cautious wishy-washy stance. He allows an excuse for being wrong, and is stuck on tunnel-mode on Palmar, because that is a perfect cover for mafia to hide under.
Paragraph 3\ABC

I bolded and underlined the biggest reason, which you simply skimmed over. Wiggles being tough to get a read on isn't why palmar is a better lynch, but it IS why I'm not swayed by his analysis. Your arguements here are extremely misleading.

Par. 3 supports the wishy-washy scum stance seen earlier. The ABC's display a terribly weak case against Palmar. He states that Palmar's response to being accused was very scummy, but fails to explain how. Even a general statement of how it was scummy would be better, but there is absolutely nothing here. Then back to the "slip", and finally closing with a careless attitude towards lynching town. We should never want to lynch town. Day 1 is just as or more important than any other day, because if we can lessen their numbers now, they have fewer kills on N1 and beyond.

I responded to the underlined portion THE VERY NEXT POST YOU QUOTE. Did you not reread this post before you posted it?




So according to tnkted his vote on Palmar was a joke, and he didn't think it was actually a slip. He states that Palmar actually defending himself was scummy because a player like Navillus was relaxed and joked around, because the vote on him wasn't serious. Comparing these two gives a solid impression that tnkted's vote on Palmar was not intended to be serious, which means that only Palmar's reaction to it should have been used as evidence. As can be seen by the previous post I quoted, however, tnkted is still using it as proof that Palmar is mafia, still considering it a scum slip. That's a rather large hole in his argument I'd say.

Try paraphrasing this sentance out loud. According to this thing he did previously, which he stopped, hes STILL doing the thing that he stopped doing. This sort of obvious logical error is a result of

1. poor reasoning
2. tunnelling, which, I remind you, you accused ME of doing above, calling it scummy behavior.




1. Nothing scummy about this content. Nothing town either.

I usually hate talking about 'town atmosphere' but there was talk about people 'taking responsibility' and constant wifoming. How is an attempt to remove that shit bad for town, especially in a game with so many new players?

2. In this section of his post, tnkted wants to remove responsibility from players for mislynches. That is a ridiculously scummy attitude. The people who pushed the lynch DO have to be responsible for it, otherwise mafia can get away with coming up with a case on a slightly scummy townie and get a mislynch every day, and according to you get away with it scot-free. If you're pushing for someone's lynch and they flip green, then you do get a bit scummier for it. If it happens consistently we really need to take a look at you and sort things out.

Would you want to see a townie policy lynched for promoting a bad lynch? Then we lose 2 and a day for a mislynch instead of 1. This seems like what you're promoting here, and it's an extremely scummy attitude. And yes, if the mafia can convince the town that someone innocent is guilty, then that person is going to get lynched and policy lynching the mafia the next day is just fucking stupid. THOUSANDS of games in my experience ended up with a townie tunnelling another townie, getting that townie lynched, while the surviver lasted until endgame. Ask any of the other vets here if policy lynching for a bad lynch is a good idea, they'll tell you exactly the same thing.

3. Wrong again. You want to take away the only tool we have for linking mafia to each other. When somebody flips red, or green for that matter, we look back at who they interacted with and how they interacted with them. You're pushing a seriously mafia agenda here. Responsibility is key in this game, because mafia without responsibility don't have to worry about anything.

So anyone the mafia defends is obviously scum eh? That seems like an easy loophole. If I'm mafia and I defended you, would you suddenly 'become' mafia?

You're misunderstanding how scum operate, which is very strange to me given that I've seen you play a few games. When I play as scum I make it a point to defend people who are being bandwagoned because it gains you town cred. Here's a fact for you: Town cred is the most important thing for the mafia; with town cred they can get away with anything, including acting scummy or dayvigging or shooting the town dt and claiming it.

In fact, to gain town cred, mafia will even sacrifice their own members to the mob. This is so common, theres a word for it: bussing. This alone should demolish your theory; If the mafia only protect other mafia, wouldn't the converse of that be true, that mafia only push townies for lynches?

The fact is, its exceedingly difficult to link mafia together; most mafia hunts end up being a person by person hunt. Two mafia are rarely linked together in a game like this that doesn't have dayroles or weird abilities. We'll have to find out each one individually by themselves. That's how mafia works.

tnkted is mafia.