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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 00:43 GMT
#655
On September 05 2011 09:41 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 09:40 sandroba wrote:
On September 05 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote:
Bum is scum. His late claim is BS.
I was minion hit. I received a PM from iGrok when I died advising me to continue watching the game because I would be resurrected at the beginning of the next day. The only thing that fits that is a minion hit.


Can you claim exactly what blue role you are? Mafia already knows you are blue and if you are not mafia you are getting shot either way.

Guardian Angel


What is that, a medic?

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 00:45 GMT
#658
On September 05 2011 09:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 09:42 Jackal58 wrote:
On September 05 2011 09:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 05 2011 09:37 Jackal58 wrote:
On September 05 2011 09:31 sinani206 wrote:
OK, this is the deal.


I am a Coroner.

redFF was my Apprentice.

When I was lynched Day 1, I had not used either of my checks (note: the role pm did not say there was a limit to checks per day)

So redFF got them both when I died. He only used one, on Varpulis, but he said that he used one on me, too. But the thing is he knew that I was Coroner since he was my apprentice and decided to check someone else.

So today, when I was revived, I was notified that I only had one check left. So I checked OriginalName, who was/is an inhibitor, to check how accurate the speculative scumteam of ON, bum, and Ace was. Obviously, from my information, it was pretty accurate.

Everyone, vote for Ace and bum. I am much more sure about bum being scum, just because this is the first game I've played with Ace.

Also, assuming we have a 1/1/1 scum team of Minion, Necromancer and Inhibitor, and that we only have one priest, one of the people revived today besides me has a power (one who must have been killed by the minion on Day 1) and the third person is a Zombie. Since we know it was a Minion shot that killed the second revival, and because Mafia had only 2 regular KP on Day 1, the Daywalker has not yet used his shot. If you feel confident, use your shot today, on Ace or bum. If not, we can just lynch both of them and win either way. EZ PZ.

I agree with all of this. This leaves Drazerk as a Zombie. I'd say Daywalker shoot him, we lynch Bum and Ace. If we are wrong on one of them we should still destroy scum KP.


Why isn't it possible that you're the zombie? Or even sinani?

Because I was told when I died I would be ressed


Ok, I missed that.


Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 09:42 Drazerk wrote:
Well it should be pretty obvious that scum revived me...

Kill me now to reduce their KP


Scum could have also revived sinani. It is stated that people who come back from the dead still have their powers, and they aren't told how they are revived. They keep their old alignment, but count towards mafia kp as well. So you could be the zombie just as easily as sinani.

Unless I'm missing something.


I think he's basing it off the fact that scum probably wouldn't revive sinani.

At any rate, we don't have to really worry about who is the zombie right now. Our focus is to get votes on Ace/bum.

Let's keep those votes equal. If you haven't yet voted for one of those two players, please do so.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 00:49 GMT
#664
On August 21 2011 03:42 iGrok wrote:
Win condition does not change when you are brought back to life


@ chaos RE the zombie thing

Zombies count toward KP but they don't become part of the mafia.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 00:51 GMT
#671
On September 05 2011 09:50 Ace wrote:
shut your face.

Jackal is telling the truth and he's legit.


LOL

preknowledge much?

Burn this nooob
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 01:06 GMT
#691
We know that mafia KP was 3 on night 1 and we know it's extremely unlikely for them to shoot their own members that early in the game. That means if they mess up and they get lynched after getting ressed they're dead for good. Also, they need to count on a townie to res them, because if a mafia is ressed by mafia then he automatically dies after 3 days.

So, Jackal is clean, Drazerk is clean (but probably ressed by mafia) and the only person who was revived yesterday that should even have a shred of suspicion on him is sinani. However I think sinani is probably also town because his claim is very believable, as mafia KP went down during the day upon lynching ON, and it certainly doesn't sound like he's made anything up.

Lastly,


On September 05 2011 09:55 Ace wrote:
I'm almost tempted to believe that everyone who didn't read the OP is actual just dumb Town at this point.


Ace says things like this because he already has the knowledge of who is town and who is not. If it isn't obvious yet that our two top priority lynches are bum and Ace, you probably haven't been reading the thread. There's no real point in getting hung up over who is the zombie right now, because shooting him would be a waste of the vig power.

Current voting situation:

Voting bumatlarge
wherebugsgo #1
sinani206 #2
sandroba #4
Jackal58 #7


Voting sandroba
Ace #3
bumatlarge #6


Voting Ace
chaos13 #5


DAYWALKER DO NOT SHOOT DRAZERK
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 01:12 GMT
#697
On September 05 2011 10:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 10:05 sandroba wrote:
On September 05 2011 09:49 Ace wrote:
so somehow the Coroner role when divided ends up with a grand total of just 2 checks. Lol wow what bullshit.


From the OP: "Not all role descriptions are complete." Don't you thinking by now the real coroner would have counter claimed? Also look at the list of players. If you think the scum team consists of redFF and sinani I don't know what to say. Also if the team is me/redFF/sinani why wouldn't we save redFF from the lynch by blocking one of his voters? What about bum's ridiculous claim have you nothing to say about that?

If you argue the inhibitor is not present thus he could not be saved and the lynch results were because of pious I ask you to look at the suposedly townie roles because that would make at least 1 priest 1 medic 1 ridic lawyer claim and very likely a coroner since it's no flip. No roleblocker in this setup? I've been roleblocked twice and you are voting for me without any analysis or reasoning. There is simply no way you are town.


I don't find bum's claim as ridiculous as you do. I don't necessarily believe his claim, but I have had a sneaking suspicion that I am the pious since the first night. This makes it very difficult for me to decide which one of you to believe. Your arguments against his claim ARE very weak. "Coloring his role green instead of blue, and using the word "are" instead of "is".


Dude you need to read more carefully.

Bum was the one who colored his own role green. Also, sandroba is right in that it WAS a scum slip.

Lastly, the number of things that have happened kinda don't add up to bum being right about sandroba. If bum and Ace both die tonight and someone dies due to a mafia kill anyway then obviously we need to reevaluate tomorrow, but we're not there yet. It doesn't make sense to value bum's claim when it came at the worst time of day possible (right before lynch). If he actually had pro-town agenda he would've claimed that well earlier in the day, when it would've been possible for us to switch votes off bum and onto a scummier target.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 01:15 GMT
#699
On September 05 2011 10:11 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 10:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 05 2011 10:05 sandroba wrote:
On September 05 2011 09:49 Ace wrote:
so somehow the Coroner role when divided ends up with a grand total of just 2 checks. Lol wow what bullshit.


From the OP: "Not all role descriptions are complete." Don't you thinking by now the real coroner would have counter claimed? Also look at the list of players. If you think the scum team consists of redFF and sinani I don't know what to say. Also if the team is me/redFF/sinani why wouldn't we save redFF from the lynch by blocking one of his voters? What about bum's ridiculous claim have you nothing to say about that?

If you argue the inhibitor is not present thus he could not be saved and the lynch results were because of pious I ask you to look at the suposedly townie roles because that would make at least 1 priest 1 medic 1 ridic lawyer claim and very likely a coroner since it's no flip. No roleblocker in this setup? I've been roleblocked twice and you are voting for me without any analysis or reasoning. There is simply no way you are town.


I don't find bum's claim as ridiculous as you do. I don't necessarily believe his claim, but I have had a sneaking suspicion that I am the pious since the first night. This makes it very difficult for me to decide which one of you to believe. Your arguments against his claim ARE very weak. "Coloring his role green instead of blue, and using the word "are" instead of "is".

If Ace isn't scum you most likely are.


I agree with this.

Except I find it very unlikely that Ace is town.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 01:18 GMT
#702
On September 05 2011 10:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 10:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
On September 05 2011 10:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 05 2011 10:05 sandroba wrote:
On September 05 2011 09:49 Ace wrote:
so somehow the Coroner role when divided ends up with a grand total of just 2 checks. Lol wow what bullshit.


From the OP: "Not all role descriptions are complete." Don't you thinking by now the real coroner would have counter claimed? Also look at the list of players. If you think the scum team consists of redFF and sinani I don't know what to say. Also if the team is me/redFF/sinani why wouldn't we save redFF from the lynch by blocking one of his voters? What about bum's ridiculous claim have you nothing to say about that?

If you argue the inhibitor is not present thus he could not be saved and the lynch results were because of pious I ask you to look at the suposedly townie roles because that would make at least 1 priest 1 medic 1 ridic lawyer claim and very likely a coroner since it's no flip. No roleblocker in this setup? I've been roleblocked twice and you are voting for me without any analysis or reasoning. There is simply no way you are town.


I don't find bum's claim as ridiculous as you do. I don't necessarily believe his claim, but I have had a sneaking suspicion that I am the pious since the first night. This makes it very difficult for me to decide which one of you to believe. Your arguments against his claim ARE very weak. "Coloring his role green instead of blue, and using the word "are" instead of "is".


Dude you need to read more carefully.

Bum was the one who colored his own role green. Also, sandroba is right in that it WAS a scum slip.

Lastly, the number of things that have happened kinda don't add up to bum being right about sandroba. If bum and Ace both die tonight and someone dies due to a mafia kill anyway then obviously we need to reevaluate tomorrow, but we're not there yet. It doesn't make sense to value bum's claim when it came at the worst time of day possible (right before lynch). If he actually had pro-town agenda he would've claimed that well earlier in the day, when it would've been possible for us to switch votes off bum and onto a scummier target.


Apparently the words "I don't necessarily believe his claim" means nothing. Excuse me for playing the devil's advocate. It helps me think and play out scenarios in my head. When I present a converse scenario, it makes everyone else clarify their points (or yell at me and call me an idiot) to try and convince me.


Except, you said sandroba's arguments are weak and cited him coloring bum's role text blue...when bum did that himself. This is why I'm saying you should read more carefully.

If bum/Ace aren't the only mafia left then we don't have very many options in terms of lynches tomorrow. At this point for me kenpachi might be up there (since he's really done nothing all game).

But, today, we need to lynch bum/Ace. Bum has escaped lynch TWICE and that is surely not due to pious coincidence BOTH times. That's just incredibly difficult to believe.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 01:19 GMT
#703
Also if you were the pious, jcarl, it still wouldn't make sense for bum to live, because they would've needed a pious on redFF as well. That is, without a roleblock. Do you see that?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 01:24 GMT
#704
EBWOP:


Except, you said sandroba's arguments are weak and cited him coloring bum's role text blue green...when bum did that himself.


I'll add one last thing about the whole pious/RB situation:

Mafia have created some WIFOM with this, but that's enough to discredit sandroba based on the actual results of the votes. When iGrok posted prior to the daypost, he said with no vote modifications ON and bum would die.

This means, one of three things happened:

a.) there was a pious on the redFF vote and no roleblock. unlikely.
b.) there was a pious on the redFF vote AND a roleblock on sandroba. extremely unlikely.
c.) there was a roleblock on sandroba and no pious on redFF. very likely.

This also matches up with sinani's claim that ON was the inhibitor. If that's indeed true then we'll have an easier time lynching who we want to lynch today.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 01:24 GMT
#705
jesus christ...

Mafia have created some WIFOM with this, but that's NOT enough to discredit sandroba based on the actual results of the votes.


wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 07:03 GMT
#710
Palmar you're dead -_-
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 08:16 GMT
#712
On September 05 2011 16:21 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 16:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
Palmar you're dead -_-

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9438894


LOL wtf popcorn aficionado
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 19:22 GMT
#734
Wtf why would mafia not res ON? That's 1 KP, mafia plus zombie= 1 KP.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 19:31 GMT
#737
Not only that but if they res a townie and bum/Ace are the only mafia left and they both get lynched, it's auto game over for mafia unless some retarded high priest resses ON.

If they res ON then ON becomes necro and he can res one of them when they die
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 19:39 GMT
#739
AKA when they res ON mafia gets 2 KP because there's already a zombie in play
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 19:53 GMT
#741
On September 04 2011 15:48 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 13:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
Good god why are we wasting more time speculating about this shit?

If we lynch mafia during the day, for example from 3 mafia to 2 mafia, does it reduce their KP that same day? e.g. would we see 1 mafia kill instead of 2?

Yes.
Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects.


Initially I thought that, if we lynched both mafia then the res would still go through but I guess I'm unsure here because "other effects" is after lynches. Thus, if we lynch a necro he can't res, I think.

If we lynch the necromancer does his resurrect go through or is it nullified?

(sorry for all the questions iGrok haha. We love you :D )
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 19:57 GMT
#744
What's a VI?

Also I say we lynch jcarl/kenpachi tomorrow. If ON somehow gets ressed then replace one of them with ON.

No offense to either of you guys, but kenpachi has been super hardcore mode lurking and jcarl suggested we have 5-6 mafia (rofl) and has been doing things that suggest to me he's new when apparently he's more experienced than sandroba.

That is rather fishy to me.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 19:59 GMT
#745
On September 06 2011 04:56 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 04:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On September 04 2011 15:48 iGrok wrote:
On September 04 2011 13:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
Good god why are we wasting more time speculating about this shit?

If we lynch mafia during the day, for example from 3 mafia to 2 mafia, does it reduce their KP that same day? e.g. would we see 1 mafia kill instead of 2?

Yes.
Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects.


Initially I thought that, if we lynched both mafia then the res would still go through but I guess I'm unsure here because "other effects" is after lynches. Thus, if we lynch a necro he can't res, I think.

If we lynch the necromancer does his resurrect go through or is it nullified?

(sorry for all the questions iGrok haha. We love you :D )

I never said there was a necromancer in this game.
+ Show Spoiler +
WIFOM OOOOH


Oh you BITCH :p

working on the assumption that there is, what would happen? Replace "necromancer" with "resurrector" if you wish, I don't give a shit

Also if he refuses to answer I say we lynch iGrok
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 05 2011 20:08 GMT
#749
I didn't actually even think about that.

I think you might be right, Jackal. Also Kenpachi's last post is really makin me suspicious of him.

Lynch kenpachi instead of Ace?
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