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EBWOP, in red is a substitution: If you accept that redFF's claim is stupid and it'd get him killed if it was true, then why don't you lynch someone else today and let him eat a mafia bullet? If red is alive tomorrow then we can safely lynch him tomorrow! This is the primary reason I want to lynch ON and bum, because I have a very strong read on both of them and I think that, if red's claim is fake we can just lynch his ass tomorrow when he shows up alive. | ||
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On September 04 2011 11:29 Ace wrote: There is no point talking about bum or ON when we have a situation that is more substantial. Bum or ON could be scum, but at this point it's more likely redFF is scum. Stop dealing with shit that holds no weight at the moment. igrok didn't confirm or deny anything because it would be silly. It's in the fucking OP He said some roles are INCOMPLETE. Not that they act differently from whats stated in the OP. The Coroner role states it can check A corpse, not 2. This isn't an incomplete role description. Having 2 checks while stating it has 1 is bastard modding. If this was explicitly stated in the OP, the answer to my question, as I asked it, would have been one. There's no reason for iGrok to say that roles are incomplete if my question was phrased like this: On September 04 2011 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote: How many bodies can the coroner check per day? If the full role description was Coroner Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). You have a maximum of five checks and they may be used at any time Then certainly what redFF has claimed would be believable. If the role is not complete then what CAN we expect? It's dumb to think that we know everything about what a coroner can do when we're just speculating. I like how you say I'm dealing with shit that holds no weight at the moment when you are arguably doing it as much as I am. I even pointed out to you why I'd prefer a bum/ON lynch over a redFF lynch. In fact, I'll change my vote from ON to bum right now, since I really don't want us to be stuck on 2 votes on a whole bunch of people. ##unvote ##vote bumatlarge Just think about it. There's only two situations that could've happened that would have caused bum to escape lynch. Of varp, sinani, and bum, bum achieved 3 voters first. I don't remember which one of sinani or varp got 3 votes first (it doesn't matter, since bum achieved 3 before either of them) but let's say it was varp. Situation 1: All votes normal, no one gets roleblocked. Bum and varp die by virtue of achieving 3 first. Situation 2: All votes on bum and varp normal. Pious on sinani, no roleblock. Sinani dies with plurality, bum dies thanks to getting 3 before varp. Situation 3: Same as 2, replace varp with sinani and vice versa. Varp dies, bum dies. Situation 4: Some voter on bum gets roleblocked. Sinani and varp die. Situation 5: Pious voters on BOTH varp and sinani. Sinani and varp die. Again, I repeat, the ONLY situation in which bum would've gone untouched by the lynch is if he somehow got uber lucky and pious voters hit both varp and sinani. Otherwise there has to be a roleblock. I excluded the situations in which a pious voter hits bum for obvious reasons. 1-3 are not possible, that didn't happen. Only 4 and 5 matter. | ||
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On September 04 2011 12:20 bumatlarge wrote: Varp had 4 votes. Please open your eyes. . Shit you're right, I just went back and noticed chaos's vote. -_- | ||
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If we lynch mafia during the day, for example from 3 mafia to 2 mafia, does it reduce their KP that same day? e.g. would we see 1 mafia kill instead of 2? | ||
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Mind sharing your thoughts on bum and red? | ||
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Also, since none of you seem to have noticed, the reason bum is fine with being lynched himself when we're lynching red is because a 1 for 1 trade for mafia right now is really good when we'd otherwise be killing two of them. This also makes sense in the context or WHEN bum voted. I changed my vote from ON to bum at the critical juncture of 3 votes, giving bum 4. This basically means bum will get lynched barring some super fluke, in the case when we have 4/2/2/1. HOWEVER, like an hour after me he switched to red, making it 4/3 on him and red and making it very possible to escape again. | ||
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On September 04 2011 21:28 Ace wrote: *chuckles* That was cute. But your still terrible. *you're. Also Ace you're wrong, sandroba is pretty much the best player we have on town ATM lol. + Show Spoiler + you scummy biatch The guy who voted red who isn't mafia is joncarl whatever the hell his name is. He's new. SWITCH YOUR VOTE | ||
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On September 04 2011 13:27 jcarlsoniv wrote: The only downside to your story is that if sinani was scum, the mafia kp would have been reduced before the night kills went out, so only 2 should have died at night... LOL that is definitely not the only downside to his story. Read that post properly and it seems like the whole "analysis" is fabricated. Just read it from a town and mafia perspective. Do you not see what he is trying to accomplish? If bum dies, he can get necroed by the mafia team. Since the mafia team always has at least one necro, we can kill bum today but we'll have to kill Ace/ON tomorrow and then kill bum again the next day, and then lynch whichever one of ON/Ace he decides to revive that last day. If we kill both bum and ON today we only have to worry about lynching one of them tomorrow (Ace). That other lynch can go to whoever else we find scummy tomorrow to cover our bases, in case there are 4 mafia or somehow one of these guys miraculously is not mafia. | ||
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On September 04 2011 22:23 sandroba wrote: JC is not new btw, he is way more experienced than I am. Oh well he gives off massive airs of noobiness. | ||
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On September 04 2011 15:48 iGrok wrote: Yes. Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. This point is the strongest in establishing that the current mafia count is 3/4. In fact, I think it suggests there are only 3 mafia. Let's not assume that, but 1 minion/1RB/1 necro is a good balance for mafia. Knowing this, if we kill bum/ON today and Ace tomorrow, we can actually keep mafia KP at only one for a pretty decent amount of time. | ||
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On September 03 2011 09:53 sandroba wrote: Ace do you think it's possible there is more than 3 mafia? or that mafia has more than 1 extra kp, assuming the 3rd came from them? From a balance stand point we are likely facing 3 mafia, so that means we 100% missed both lynches since the kp did not get reduced. There is no point checking into the lynches, since they are most likely town either way, so maybe check into the nks? I have a pretty good explanation why mafia used the minion shot so early. Bum is the minion. Despite roleblocking me they couldn't be 100% he would've survived because of pious shenanigans. So they decided not to risk losing kp and used it day1. There you go. This one, sandroba? Also town needs to concentrate votes on ON/bum. I'll keep saying it till you guys do it. Filter myself and sandroba if you need arguments for voting ON/bum, filter Ace, ON, and bum to see why they are scummy. | ||
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Ace. | ||
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Neener neener ace whatcha gonna do when we come for youuuu BTW where is Palmar? Palmar when you read this I want your opinions on ON/bum/Ace. I know you think chaos is mafia but judging from the way chaos posts large analyses (that ultimately are usually cherrypicked/wrong, from the analysis I've seen him put up in XLIV, here, and in cosmic) he's probably town. | ||
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On September 05 2011 01:45 Palmar wrote: pretty busy today, can write up stuff tomorrow. two games in a row I have concluded that chaos13's reads cannot possibly be this bad, and thus he must be mafia, but two games in a row he has proven me wrong, once again I'm basing my read on him on the fact that I just don't agree with his reads. Ace hasn't written anything, thus his alignment can't be determined yet. I think he's just being an asshole and not scum, but with so little to go on, the error margin is big. Bum/On are my two primary targets for lynching today, only problem is that this setup sucks, so if we stick 4 on one, and 3 on the other, the mafia can stick 3 on the third and voteblock one of the three voting for bum/on, and thus guarantee a town kill, then they just reanimate someone as zombie and kill two more townies. I haven't really done the math, but I can't see a way to actually win this thing. I'm fine with lynching bum and on, let's do it. I'd be fine with day-vigging one of them and lynching chaos or ace. Actually Ace has written quite a lot, especially on red/coroner/etc, and I forced some stuff out of him. Go filter his posts and look at like the last 5-10 things he's posted. We can't really lynch chaos or Ace, we won't get enough votes for that. We CAN lynch bum/ON and dayvig Ace, though. Also, I disagree with lynching chaos anyway, so let's not worry about that. If you're out there, Daywalker, please shoot Ace in the face. Voting situation: Voting bumatlarge sandroba Palmar wherebugsgo redFF Voting OriginalName jcarlsoniv Voting redFF OriginalName Ace bumatlarge Voting wherebugsgo chaos13 kenpachi Alright, conclusions: bum reached 4 votes first. If chaos/kenpachi don't switch, he's going to get lynched unless there's a pious on both me and red and one of us bum voters gets roleblocked. If chaos and kenpachi both switch to ON/bum then bum is for sure getting lynched, but mafia can still roleblock a voter on ON to deflect the lynch onto red instead of ON. Everyone has voted, but the crucial gamechangers are chaos and kenpachi. We can't actually lynch both bum and ON for sure because mafia will roleblock whoever is voting on ON if ON has 3 votes. Fuck. Chaos and Kenpachi, you guys need to BOTH vote for ON. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. If one of you three ON voters is pious this is the only way that bum and ON will both get lynched. No matter what, however, if you switch, bum is getting lynched. So, you need to switch anyway to assure bum dying. Is this clear to everyone? Dayvig, hit Ace please. | ||
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IF THERE IS NO 4/3/3 SPLIT TODAY ON BUM/ON/RED WE WILL LOSE. | ||
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Kenpachi, we neeeed you! | ||
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