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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 02:11 GMT
#498
that first part was @ red, oops. (the hey you're the one....)
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 02:12 GMT
#499
and by majority I meant plurality.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 02:15 GMT
#500
omfg typos galore. Sorry for the quad post.

EBWOP, in red is a substitution:

If you accept that redFF's claim is stupid and it'd get him killed if it was true, then why don't you lynch someone else today and let him eat a mafia bullet? If red is alive tomorrow then we can safely lynch him tomorrow! This is the primary reason I want to lynch ON and bum, because I have a very strong read on both of them and I think that, if red's claim is fake we can just lynch his ass tomorrow when he shows up alive.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 02:43 GMT
#502
On September 04 2011 11:29 Ace wrote:
There is no point talking about bum or ON when we have a situation that is more substantial. Bum or ON could be scum, but at this point it's more likely redFF is scum. Stop dealing with shit that holds no weight at the moment.

igrok didn't confirm or deny anything because it would be silly. It's in the fucking OP

Show nested quote +


Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm).


He said some roles are INCOMPLETE. Not that they act differently from whats stated in the OP. The Coroner role states it can check A corpse, not 2. This isn't an incomplete role description. Having 2 checks while stating it has 1 is bastard modding.


If this was explicitly stated in the OP, the answer to my question, as I asked it, would have been one. There's no reason for iGrok to say that roles are incomplete if my question was phrased like this:

On September 04 2011 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
How many bodies can the coroner check per day?


If the full role description was

Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). You have a maximum of five checks and they may be used at any time


Then certainly what redFF has claimed would be believable. If the role is not complete then what CAN we expect? It's dumb to think that we know everything about what a coroner can do when we're just speculating.

I like how you say I'm dealing with shit that holds no weight at the moment when you are arguably doing it as much as I am.

I even pointed out to you why I'd prefer a bum/ON lynch over a redFF lynch. In fact, I'll change my vote from ON to bum right now, since I really don't want us to be stuck on 2 votes on a whole bunch of people.

##unvote
##vote bumatlarge


Just think about it. There's only two situations that could've happened that would have caused bum to escape lynch.

Of varp, sinani, and bum, bum achieved 3 voters first. I don't remember which one of sinani or varp got 3 votes first (it doesn't matter, since bum achieved 3 before either of them) but let's say it was varp.

Situation 1: All votes normal, no one gets roleblocked. Bum and varp die by virtue of achieving 3 first.

Situation 2: All votes on bum and varp normal. Pious on sinani, no roleblock. Sinani dies with plurality, bum dies thanks to getting 3 before varp.

Situation 3: Same as 2, replace varp with sinani and vice versa. Varp dies, bum dies.

Situation 4: Some voter on bum gets roleblocked. Sinani and varp die.

Situation 5: Pious voters on BOTH varp and sinani. Sinani and varp die.

Again, I repeat, the ONLY situation in which bum would've gone untouched by the lynch is if he somehow got uber lucky and pious voters hit both varp and sinani. Otherwise there has to be a roleblock. I excluded the situations in which a pious voter hits bum for obvious reasons. 1-3 are not possible, that didn't happen. Only 4 and 5 matter.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 03:25 GMT
#507
On September 04 2011 12:20 bumatlarge wrote:
Varp had 4 votes. Please open your eyes. .


Shit you're right, I just went back and noticed chaos's vote.

-_-

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 03:29 GMT
#509
Although, I might add that if redFF is indeed mafia it seems rather weird that this bandwagon formed on him so fast.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 04:41 GMT
#520
Good god why are we wasting more time speculating about this shit?

If we lynch mafia during the day, for example from 3 mafia to 2 mafia, does it reduce their KP that same day? e.g. would we see 1 mafia kill instead of 2?

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 04:59 GMT
#523
Oh hi ON, I see you've really contributed a lot there.

Mind sharing your thoughts on bum and red?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 13:10 GMT
#536
Scumteam=bum, ON, Ace. ON hasn't replied to me, bum is going for red's lynch while simultaneously trying to keep sinani dead and sandroba lynched, and Ace is just being stupid and focusing on one lynch, calling people dumb (when he's missing shitloads of things himself) when he KNOWS there's a double lynch.

Also, since none of you seem to have noticed, the reason bum is fine with being lynched himself when we're lynching red is because a 1 for 1 trade for mafia right now is really good when we'd otherwise be killing two of them. This also makes sense in the context or WHEN bum voted.

I changed my vote from ON to bum at the critical juncture of 3 votes, giving bum 4. This basically means bum will get lynched barring some super fluke, in the case when we have 4/2/2/1. HOWEVER, like an hour after me he switched to red, making it 4/3 on him and red and making it very possible to escape again.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 13:11 GMT
#537
Fucking iPhone it should be *of when bum voted
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 13:17 GMT
#538
On September 04 2011 21:28 Ace wrote:
*chuckles*

That was cute. But your still terrible.


*you're.

Also Ace you're wrong, sandroba is pretty much the best player we have on town ATM lol.

+ Show Spoiler +
you scummy biatch


The guy who voted red who isn't mafia is joncarl whatever the hell his name is. He's new. SWITCH YOUR VOTE
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 13:27 GMT
#542
On September 04 2011 13:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 12:12 bumatlarge wrote:
I think I've got this game figured out, I've read into the thread alot and it's a bit of a puzzle with some missing pieces, but the main elements are there.

Sinani, redff and Sandroba are scum
-redff or sandroba has a role that let's them know a coroner died or that there are none left alive
-in exchange, there is no roleblocker in the game.
-this alone let's mafia safely fakeclaim, and accuse someone heavily based on one of the members being blocked.

I do not believe that they intended to do this right after seeing the day 1 results, but seeing sinani lynched instead of me, I think they realized that a pious man had voted on sinani and screwed them over. Sandroba claimed a roleblock to keep me as the lynch for this day, and redff claimed coroner's apprentice to try to persuade the HP to bring back sinani, rather then just zombifying him. HP, DO NOT BRING BACK SINANI. Bring back any other person from that day, preferably a mafia kill. I can back up all this based on these three players behavior.

3 kills went out last night, and as far as I can tell, we don't have non-day vigis. That kills were all low activity posters, and I am fairly certain they were all town.

Jackal
He put his vote on chaos13 and afk'd apparently, I'm not sure about chaos, but he has reasoning similar to my own, so I don't think this is a heavy link but we'll keep chaos' name in case it pops up.

Sknowman
Again, very lurkerish, but he put his vote on jcarl, for a single post, then kept it there, even at the end. Just like chaos, I'll keep his name in mind.

Drazerk
Voted sinani.

Why kill these people? I'll tell you, they have little influence upon being resurrected. The deapool to pick from here is extremely limited if you go on just there play in this game. Mafia wants to limit the good choices and leave the priest picking at scraps while the living players are more active and therefore uncheckable. But oh look, to ease the HP's troubled mind, redff comes soaring in and claims he checked TWO people (I have absolutely zero fucking idea why), and you should bring back sinani of the two. I believed him, because the claim was outrageous, a coroner could counterclaim him, and I thought he was inferring that sinani was a blue role of some sort.

But Bum, you are probably scum because sandroba said he was RB'd which means you're scum! Which transistions nicely into our next segment...




Sandroba
I didn't really have too many qualms about this dude, until just before the first day ended, he seemed to be hell bent on finding scum and I was content to take his criticisms on how I start my days with a cup of folgers, and how he would rather prance around when I had few reads aside from varpulis and kenpachi. Until this post.

On September 03 2011 06:47 sandroba wrote:
Let's not lynch sinani, he is scummy despite alignment and I don't see anything that jumps scum in his posts so far. Let's lynch Bum and ON gogogo consolidate fast.


Wow. Late into the day he wants to have a switch from a scummy person onto me with an absurd reason.

Needless to say that struck a wrong chord. I told him what the fuck and voted varpulis, my own effort in consolidating votes, because like hell was I going to get lynched instead of varpulis.

On September 03 2011 07:01 sandroba wrote:
On September 03 2011 06:54 bumatlarge wrote:
what the fuck sandroba?

##Unvote
##Vote Varpulis


What the fuck is what I say to you. Why are you voting varpulis? Are you even trying to find scum in this thread or do you only care about not being lynched?
RedFF your meta argument is shit and too shallow. Explain to me how varpulis is scum in a coherent way and stop spamming he is scum in every single post you make.


Sandroba has never voted redff, despite him GUNNING for me when redff have had very similar actions. Sandroba is defending everything redff does, yet even when he sees errors, he ignores them. Sandroba has never considered redff to be scum this entire game.

On September 03 2011 07:53 sandroba wrote:
The very good analysis you are refering to is basically redFF saying one of the first posts on the thread is non contributory and appearing to be pro-town. He pointed out that he did so as scum in a previous game, in which he got lynched day 1 for it. If you are judging only meta from his very first post, do you really think he would do the same shit again? Or do you think it's more likely that despite the risk of getting lynched he was legimately concerned about spamming/lurking/trolling going on in the recent tl games?

On September 03 2011 22:56 sandroba wrote:
redFF you are most likely town because now that I think about it there is no way you could know that the coroner is dead and you would risk being insta counter claimed by the real coroner and thus get lynched if you were mafia. That being said please don't make the same mistake again spamming the thread and getting a townie killed. Read wbg defense. Unless he is the master of deceit, he is very unlikely to be mafia. Please put your vote somewhere more productive.


That and calling the sinani lynch bad, it makes it pretty clear that sandroba knows something in this game that the rest of us don't. He has persisted in calling any speculation I gave about the set-up anti-town, because he doesn't want us to talk about it. Please don't sheep behind this guy.

On September 03 2011 07:58 sandroba wrote:
On September 03 2011 07:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 03 2011 07:23 sandroba wrote:
Ace/jackal/ON/chaos/jacarl can you please switch vote to someone more meaningful? If things stay like they are as of now mafia pretty much gets to choose who they lynch.

@Ace after all that talk about how bad it is for people to get lynched with 3 votes, won't you do anything to stop that from happening? like pushing your candidate or voting on one of the leading ones?


Why is that? You sound like you have information that the rest of us don't have. Maybe the scum list, perhaps...

I'm going out to dinner. I'm not changing my vote. I'm getting scummy reads off of sinani, and my vote is staying there. I'll be reading and keeping up on my phone.

Are you really this blind? If a roleblocker blocks one of the voters and the votes are this close they pretty much get to choose who doesn't get lynched.


Oh what? The now the roleblocker comes into play here! It's funny that Jcarl brings up the "more information" tidbit, and you immediately hint that you do indeed have more information. Right here you are GUARANTEEING that scum has a roleblocker, without assessing that perhaps whoever does get saved from a vote will have alot of suspicion thrown upon them? Funny how that doesn't get mentioned when you are trying to push the lynch, but after it's 100% evidence.


On September 03 2011 09:53 sandroba wrote:
Ace do you think it's possible there is more than 3 mafia? or that mafia has more than 1 extra kp, assuming the 3rd came from them? From a balance stand point we are likely facing 3 mafia, so that means we 100% missed both lynches since the kp did not get reduced. There is no point checking into the lynches, since they are most likely town either way, so maybe check into the nks?

I have a pretty good explanation why mafia used the minion shot so early. Bum is the minion. Despite roleblocking me they couldn't be 100% he would've survived because of pious shenanigans. So they decided not to risk losing kp and used it day1. There you go.


Case in point. Sinani was the minion most likely. Perhaps they don't even have a necromancer either? Also, sandroba confirms we have a pious who voted sinani.




I still find it hard to believe that everything redff has done is intentional. Claiming the apprentice is one thing but then saying he gets two checks seems EXTREMELY odd. I don't understand why he didn't just say sandroba was town, or even that varpulis was scum. His posts don't give me much so until someone else finds anything, I'll keep him secondary to sandroba in my list. Sinani was very self explanatory, and redff did not keep his vote on him when it mattered. redFF needs to be gotten rid of tonight. I highly doubt town will be able to not lynch me, because of what sandroba said, but I'm confident that we can win when two scum are dead. Once we get rid of sandroba, I can guarentee the game will be over.

##Unvote
##Vote redff


The only downside to your story is that if sinani was scum, the mafia kp would have been reduced before the night kills went out, so only 2 should have died at night...


LOL that is definitely not the only downside to his story. Read that post properly and it seems like the whole "analysis" is fabricated.

Just read it from a town and mafia perspective. Do you not see what he is trying to accomplish?

If bum dies, he can get necroed by the mafia team. Since the mafia team always has at least one necro, we can kill bum today but we'll have to kill Ace/ON tomorrow and then kill bum again the next day, and then lynch whichever one of ON/Ace he decides to revive that last day.

If we kill both bum and ON today we only have to worry about lynching one of them tomorrow (Ace). That other lynch can go to whoever else we find scummy tomorrow to cover our bases, in case there are 4 mafia or somehow one of these guys miraculously is not mafia.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 13:29 GMT
#544
On September 04 2011 22:23 sandroba wrote:
JC is not new btw, he is way more experienced than I am.


Oh well he gives off massive airs of noobiness.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 13:36 GMT
#545
On September 04 2011 15:48 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 13:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
Good god why are we wasting more time speculating about this shit?

If we lynch mafia during the day, for example from 3 mafia to 2 mafia, does it reduce their KP that same day? e.g. would we see 1 mafia kill instead of 2?

Yes.
Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects.


This point is the strongest in establishing that the current mafia count is 3/4.

In fact, I think it suggests there are only 3 mafia. Let's not assume that, but 1 minion/1RB/1 necro is a good balance for mafia.

Knowing this, if we kill bum/ON today and Ace tomorrow, we can actually keep mafia KP at only one for a pretty decent amount of time.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 14:41 GMT
#547
On September 03 2011 09:53 sandroba wrote:
Ace do you think it's possible there is more than 3 mafia? or that mafia has more than 1 extra kp, assuming the 3rd came from them? From a balance stand point we are likely facing 3 mafia, so that means we 100% missed both lynches since the kp did not get reduced. There is no point checking into the lynches, since they are most likely town either way, so maybe check into the nks?

I have a pretty good explanation why mafia used the minion shot so early. Bum is the minion. Despite roleblocking me they couldn't be 100% he would've survived because of pious shenanigans. So they decided not to risk losing kp and used it day1. There you go.


This one, sandroba?

Also town needs to concentrate votes on ON/bum. I'll keep saying it till you guys do it. Filter myself and sandroba if you need arguments for voting ON/bum, filter Ace, ON, and bum to see why they are scummy.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 15:17 GMT
#551
Idc if someone's playing like a noob I'll call them out.

Ace.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 15:35 GMT
#554
A noob mafia :D

Neener neener ace whatcha gonna do when we come for youuuu

BTW where is Palmar? Palmar when you read this I want your opinions on ON/bum/Ace. I know you think chaos is mafia but judging from the way chaos posts large analyses (that ultimately are usually cherrypicked/wrong, from the analysis I've seen him put up in XLIV, here, and in cosmic) he's probably town.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 17:05 GMT
#561
On September 05 2011 01:45 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 00:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
A noob mafia :D

Neener neener ace whatcha gonna do when we come for youuuu

BTW where is Palmar? Palmar when you read this I want your opinions on ON/bum/Ace. I know you think chaos is mafia but judging from the way chaos posts large analyses (that ultimately are usually cherrypicked/wrong, from the analysis I've seen him put up in XLIV, here, and in cosmic) he's probably town.


pretty busy today, can write up stuff tomorrow.

two games in a row I have concluded that chaos13's reads cannot possibly be this bad, and thus he must be mafia, but two games in a row he has proven me wrong, once again I'm basing my read on him on the fact that I just don't agree with his reads.

Ace hasn't written anything, thus his alignment can't be determined yet. I think he's just being an asshole and not scum, but with so little to go on, the error margin is big.

Bum/On are my two primary targets for lynching today, only problem is that this setup sucks, so if we stick 4 on one, and 3 on the other, the mafia can stick 3 on the third and voteblock one of the three voting for bum/on, and thus guarantee a town kill, then they just reanimate someone as zombie and kill two more townies.

I haven't really done the math, but I can't see a way to actually win this thing.

I'm fine with lynching bum and on, let's do it. I'd be fine with day-vigging one of them and lynching chaos or ace.


Actually Ace has written quite a lot, especially on red/coroner/etc, and I forced some stuff out of him. Go filter his posts and look at like the last 5-10 things he's posted.

We can't really lynch chaos or Ace, we won't get enough votes for that. We CAN lynch bum/ON and dayvig Ace, though. Also, I disagree with lynching chaos anyway, so let's not worry about that.

If you're out there, Daywalker, please shoot Ace in the face.

Voting situation:

Voting bumatlarge
sandroba
Palmar
wherebugsgo
redFF


Voting OriginalName
jcarlsoniv

Voting redFF
OriginalName
Ace
bumatlarge


Voting wherebugsgo
chaos13
kenpachi



Alright, conclusions:

bum reached 4 votes first. If chaos/kenpachi don't switch, he's going to get lynched unless there's a pious on both me and red and one of us bum voters gets roleblocked. If chaos and kenpachi both switch to ON/bum then bum is for sure getting lynched, but mafia can still roleblock a voter on ON to deflect the lynch onto red instead of ON.

Everyone has voted, but the crucial gamechangers are chaos and kenpachi. We can't actually lynch both bum and ON for sure because mafia will roleblock whoever is voting on ON if ON has 3 votes. Fuck.
Chaos and Kenpachi, you guys need to BOTH vote for ON. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. If one of you three ON voters is pious this is the only way that bum and ON will both get lynched. No matter what, however, if you switch, bum is getting lynched. So, you need to switch anyway to assure bum dying.

Is this clear to everyone?

Dayvig, hit Ace please.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 17:08 GMT
#562
REMEMBER THAT IN THIS LOW COUNT VOTE GAME MAFIA CAN BASICALLY CHOOSE A TOWNIE TO LYNCH AND IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO SAVE THEM UNLESS WE ALL CONSOLIDATE OUR VOTES. THIS IS IMPERATIVE.

IF THERE IS NO 4/3/3 SPLIT TODAY ON BUM/ON/RED WE WILL LOSE.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 17:38 GMT
#565
Actually my accusation of you, chaos, was a heaping dose of OMGUS lol. That I will admit. When I reread your posts I was like uhhh wait no mafia would respond in this manner. Mafia don't tend to put that much effort into their reads/posts. They act more like ON when asked to give (more like fabricate) opinions on people.

Kenpachi, we neeeed you!

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