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The medic one says that if you save someone both the medic and potential victim are informed, does this mean that the victim is told who the medic is or just that they were saved? Also the mafia is being called a cult but there don't seem to be any recruitment mechanics, is calling it a cult just flavor or will there be recruitment? | ||
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On August 19 2011 03:05 Kurumi wrote: You're both from United States, It is either 0:00AM where You live or 6:00 AM, right? lol Oh no that wasn't a "it's 3AM I don't care" it was a "I don't care where you are or what you're doing let's get this started" 3AM was just an example, btw it's 2PM for me. | ||
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On August 19 2011 04:01 GMarshal wrote: Nope, that is EST, EDT is EST on daylight savings ^_^ Dammit, you know I actually knew that EST and EDT were different, but when I checked my computer clock it just said "eastern time GMT-5:00" and I assumed that they both were GMT-5:00 and that GMT changed too, I feel stupid. | ||
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First thing's first, Kurumi stop it. As I understand it you do this every game ('this' being spam up the thread with useless junk) and it's part of your "meta" or whatever, I really don't care. Stop it. If you continue to make the thread harder to read and harder to analyze I promise you I will make it my mission to get you lynched, and I for one will be grateful for the easy day 1 lynch. Everyone else if he continues ignore him, lynch him, go on with the game. Next order of business, lurkers. In the last few games I've played there have been enough lurkers for the entire mafia team to sit around with three posts a day and never get caught because so much of the town was lurking. That will not happen this game. Midday tomorrow (real time) at the latest I will be making a lurker list, assuming Kurumi actually steps up his play I will push for the day 1 lynch to come from that list, after that I will strongly encourage for vigilantes and mad hatters to start shooting into that list like a bunch of trigger happy Heavies. Now I understand that there are a lot of new players this game, what this means for you is if you're town, post a lot. It's that simple, you don't have to worry about giving a scum read because you're not scum so post every time you have an opinion. If you're scum... yeah you might want to worry, of course if you try to not post I'll get you killed for being on the list, I guess if you're scum you should just concede now. FInally 1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia. 2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there. 3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good. This is a pretty good outline of how we want to proceed, point 1 is definitely the right thing to do, for example of a good talking point: lynch kurumi for spamming up the thread. Point 2 is also right and just to say the implication of that is do a lot of analysis, look at how people act look at how they change over the thread, where they vote, what they claim and what they do, don't hope for a bunch of really obvious scumslips where people all but admit they are scum, also don't put too much into what looks like a "slip" strong analysis over time is much better. And for point 3 really I'll just add make this a good town environment, we want to be civil we also don't want someone to be able to get shouted down when 2 or 3 people disagree with him, keep it orderly and please don't make personal attacks, that is all. | ||
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On August 19 2011 08:40 Navillus wrote: Text wall So you're going to be the one to decide who we lynch out of the lurker list? And you decide that we have to implement lynch all lurkers? And if you want someone lynched, we have to lynch them? Hey hey I never said this, the only day I would consider lynching from the list is if we don't get a read day1, if we do get good reads then by all means ignore the list, I will too. I also never said I would decide who we lynch or that we have to lynch them, in fact this was almost entirely not meant for lynching anyway, what I'm doing this for is so 1. We have a list so the people who lurk are actually called on it this will discourage scum from lurking simply because they won't want to have their names displayed for everyone. But more importantly 2. This is for vigs and mad hatters not the lynch, this means mafia can't influence who gets killed, they also won't know when or who will get killed, the whole point of this isn't to kill every lurker, that's not feasible. It's there to make lurking a bad enough idea that the mafia will be too afraid too at which point we can ignore the list because mafia will be talking and we can get reads on them. We've had a good track record of lynching scum near the start of the game and none of it has come from blind policy lynches. You don't want lurkers to be a problem, then don't be a lurker. Lynching someone simply for lurking is stupid, lynching someone who's lurking and looking scummy is good. To this, well I've tried not lurking, sadly all the other lurkers did not follow my example, I like the "if you don't want lurking to be a problem do something yourself" attitude, I've just decided that what I will do myself will be more than not lurk myself it will be to force the hand of anyone that tries. Also my problem with lurking is it's actually very difficult to find someone who lurks and looks scummy, lurkers don't "look" anything. Again the important purpose of this is not to be a policy lynch or to kill people I want killed, it's to stop lurking in the first place, it's become a huge problem in the games I've played and this is the best idea I have to stop it. | ||
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On August 19 2011 09:02 Kurumi wrote: See, I am like "ok guys if You're clever enough I won't troll!" Then Mig fails his test. Navillus. Here's one for You! If You answer this correctly, I won't troll this game. You are in a room with three doors. The walls are sturdy and cold. You have full pack of dry lights. Scratching light against the pack will ignite it. How will You get out of here? Door 1: It has a very small window You can't see through, it's kind of foggy. Door 2: It has little opening in the lower bottom. Door 3: It's like one solid block. Try again. ##Vote: Kurumi | ||
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[QUOTE]On August 19 2011 09:05 Navillus wrote: [QUOTE]On August 19 2011 08:40 Navillus wrote: But more importantly 2. This is for vigs and mad hatters not the lynch, this means mafia can't influence who gets killed, they also won't know when or who will get killed, the whole point of this isn't to kill every lurker, that's not feasible. It's there to make lurking a bad enough idea that the mafia will be too afraid too at which point we can ignore the list because mafia will be talking and we can get reads on them. [/QUOTE] "Town KP, lurkers are bad. Don't shoot them" [/QUOTE] I'm saying do shoot them if those quotes are supposed to show what I'm saying. | ||
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On August 19 2011 10:40 GreYMisT wrote: Guys we need to stay focused on the first day and look for scummy posts, ive just caught up on the thread and it seems the past few pages have been pointless arguing about policy/stuff not game related. arguments about new people such as myself being afraid to post should not matter. the goal of today should be to set a good tone through everyone's posting so that new people are not afraid to post as long as they contribute. I disagree policy is very game-related and is as good a place as any to start discussion when we obviously can't have reads on anyone, and you're right contributing is important, you know what is not contributing? Telling everyone to contribute, anyone can do that, so I ask you, what's your opinion on lynch all lurkers? What about viging lurkers? Or making a lurker list? And what should we do if Kurumi starts spamming again? | ||
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Palmar! Hey buddy! Sooo aside from wanting us to keep our hands off of your Kurumi, what are your thoughts? | ||
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1. There are almost never more than two candidates who actually have a shot of getting lynched close to the deadline anyway. 2. This nearly guarantees that we won't have a no-lynch because the only possible no-lynch here would be an even number of players remaining and splitting it evenly, and if that's going to happen I volunteer my vote to switch so there definitely will be a lynch (Note that this does not give me any power over the lynch, I won't be the one to decide who the 2 candidates to be switched to will be and me switching my vote will be me switching to the only other candidate to ensure a lynch, I will not be choosing to sometimes switch and other times not) 3. This forces everyone to vote on legitimate candidates, it means no throw-away votes or votes that hide what you think about the actually suspicious people, the mafia will be forced to put votes where they might not want to and this makes it easier to get info from the vote because we can see which person got last-minute switches, and which looked like the mafia was trying to avoid killing. I repeat, I will not be the one deciding who these two candidates should be picked, this gives me no power whatsoever, now I'm going to go back over the thread so wait 15 minutes before yelling that this was policy without real opinions. | ||
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##Vote: Palmar | ||
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Trotske-2 game related posts Lucidity-2 Maybe kinda sorta game related posts Jackal58-1 maybe 2 game related posts (this suprised me, more on it later) Hiro Protagonist-1 game related post Munk-E-1 (large) game related post Darkponcho-NOTHING Vain-2 game related posts Kurumi-No posts for 36+ hours Now this isn't here to try to redirect the conversation we seem to be doing well enough on our own, but the big thing I want noted is I couldn't even start to look for semi-lurkers for the list because there are so many people hardcore lurking right now, this is exactly what I want to avoid because if we keep getting nothing out of 8 people, late game we won't have anything close to a read on them and that's big trouble. Back to the current discussion I am still very suspicious of Palmer but that lynch doesn't look like it will happen, I'm voting xtfftc because for now quicksilver has convinced me but I definitely will be back in time for the lynch and to get a better judgement myself which leads me to We need to decide who our 2 main candidates are soon, if we don't have 2 options in time for everyone to vote based on that then we may well see a no-lynch, that is not good. Last, to palmar, you're suspicious of Brownbear for trying to deflect a lynch, that would naturally imply that the person he's deflecting the lynch from would also be scum, are you still convinced that DB is scum? | ||
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On August 21 2011 09:54 Trotske wrote: Just curious about the reasons behind your vote on BrownBear. you didn't post anything in the thread. Btw i'm for a vote switch onto razor He was tied for the most non-sev votes and was suspicious to me but I'm switching to razor now since he too is very suspicious and more importantly has a shot of getting the vote instead of sev | ||
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On August 21 2011 10:15 wherebugsgo wrote: Yeah, but the problem is that scum could easily want a no-lynch too. In fact, wouldn't they prefer a no-lynch? In that case it's equally likely for them to switch, or stay on Sev! | ||
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Palmar was town, he clearly was positive that Brownbear was scum, he's smart enough to get accurate reads, and everything foolishness said. This should be a no-brainer. As to mig I wasn't here when Mig became suspicious and I'm gonna go look for it and through all of his posts but could someone just explain why he's such a big candidate? | ||
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##Vote Brownbear | ||
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##Vote Brownbear just so I have a vote in but really I have to read everything from the last day or so. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Nard Has there been any discussion or confirmation of chaoser's sanity? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=81#1615 ends with him voting mig and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=64#1273 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=76#1508 which seems small but was the important one to me because palmar is defending mig and I don't think if pyo was scum that he would try to contradict that and bring attention back to his scum-buddy obviously this whole thing is by no means air-tight but I for now am going to be looking more at others and don't think it's likely that pyo is scum. | ||
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##Vote Rayzorflash But I'm getting suspicious of chaoser I don't think that he's been looked at hard enough and he didn't get nearly enough suspicion for his claim which is pretty big and he doesn't seem to have used it enough, I think if it were true it would have been a bigger deal also why didn't mafia kill him? | ||
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I was trying to get active againGOGO TOWN | ||
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