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Do Overly Inquisitive Liquidites act like Mafia 38 nosy neighbours and only visit people who are targeted for death, or do they visit anyone at all? This voting system is unfamiliar to me. The ability to stop a lynch going through appears much easier for Mafia than normal, they don't even need to vote for another strong candidate, throwaway votes will do. Keep an eye on people not voting for a major candidate without a very good reason. I propose that we never let a "no lynch" happen. The lynch is our primary KP, having no lynch for a night is basically giving extra shots for the Mafia. I propose that if it looks like a tied or no lynch is going through, we force people to switch so that someone dies. For a no lynch to be a possibility, there would have to be 2 close candidates. Even with a switch of 2 or so votes, we have enough information from before the switch for analysis, regardless of the flip. The problem I see is how do we determine who swaps? And how long before deadline do we leave it? Thoughts? | ||
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On August 19 2011 06:55 Trotske wrote: A no -lynch can be helpful late game when no obv scum are present. also I don't think people who don't vote for the person with the most votes should be Fos just because they didn't vote for someone but only if they don't give good reasons for there vote. I didn't say it's suss not to vote for the person with the most votes. It IS suss to make a throwaway vote on someone who has no chance in hell of being lynched unless you are pushing them hard. I don't think you read my post properly. What about early in the game then? | ||
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On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote: you guys are fucking lazy and boring. Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan. Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time. Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682 He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way. SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2? I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something. On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote: i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people. Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad. ##Vote DropBear and before anyone jumps on me like: "wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum. My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm". How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel? What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway. | ||
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On August 19 2011 23:39 Sevryn wrote: Right now DB is looking the scummiest imo and after what palmar did in Swedish house mafia I am inclined to trust him. That said if there is a good case against anyone else i would be willing to give DropBear another lookskie ## vote DropBear Sorry how am I scummy exactly? You trust Palmar.... in this game.... because of a completely different game..... | ||
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nard's post was a joke about how Palmar raped them in Newbie Mini Mafia. He says that in the event I die and flip town, he would go after Palmar. It's his first post and he's saying hello to the few people he knows. How is it relevant or significant in any way? It isn't scummy, it isn't townie, it isn't anything. Why are we discussing it exactly? | ||
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I made a post about this but the issue was ignored so here goes. THE GRAND DESIGN - This game has the possibility of no-lynches - No-lynches are generally anti-town - We need a system to ensure they do not happen - I propose that we elect an unofficial mayor to decide how to break ties close to deadline, should a no-lynch look likely. Such a person will be responsible for choosing who changes their votes and how it is done, or alternatively they will take on the responsibility of being the person who changes their vote to ensure a lynch takes place. - Such a person needs to be willing to cop criticism and cannot be a total fuckwit. Hopefully non-mafia as well  They will not be required to do anything if a lynch looks like going ahead.- I nominate myself for the position. I am decisive, active, capable of good reasoning and most importantly I am town. | ||
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On August 20 2011 03:10 Palmar wrote: DropBear! you're here! Hi, you're scum. Your first post includes a question to the mods, some random advice that everyone already knows. I think you're just making blanket statements to hide the fact that you rolled red. And of course Nard's post is hella scummy if you flip town, it means he's trying to set me up as a follow up lynch, which is potentially really good for mafia. But I'm not sure we have to worry about that, you're the most scummy one in the thread at the moment, and I propose we investigate you with a piece of rope around your neck. ??? Cmon man, you're a better player than this. It's the first post of the game, what do you want from me a 100 page dossier on each member of the Mafia team? I was attempting to generate discussion by bringing up how we force lynches to occur. Your first post didn't contribute anything. Should I be tunneling you for it? Of course not. You really don't seem to like my post. Do you prefer this? On August 19 2011 05:23 Lucidity wrote: Hi, my name is Lucidity and I'm a Liquidite. /discuss Or this? On August 19 2011 05:07 Curu wrote: So, Foolishness confirmed as Town Vet? Discuss. Or this? On August 19 2011 06:01 Kurumi wrote: Let's play a game. You win, I don't, You lose, I do. You are in a room. It has thick, cold and bare walls. One of them is made of unbreakable glass. There is a sandvich and bonk! energy drink behind it. You are very thirsty and very hungry. You have a crowbar, flamethrower and 30 pieces of shuriken. What do You do to get the food? | ||
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On August 20 2011 03:25 Varpulis wrote: Sorry DB but i can't support a system wherein people are told who to vote for instead of deciding themselves. lol Sevryn. sheeping on palmar's bullshit wagon because he was town in SH Mafia? Being right in the past does not mean he's right now. Evaluate each case on its merits, not based on how good at mafia you think the accuser is. There is the option of the "mayor" to be the one who switches to ensure a lynch, as opposed to them telling other people to change. If we have someone designated then it reduces last second shenanigans. Would this be more palatable? | ||
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On August 20 2011 03:33 Palmar wrote: hahahaa you're so scummy man. "But look at that guy, or that guy". Nah, I aint buying it, I wanna hang you tonight. I wanted an honest post from you, not some ridiculous attempt at looking pro-town. The last thing your openers looked like were honesty. I am trying to get things moving, get discussion started. The posts I quoted here are prime example s of why this needs to be done, noone is doing ANYTHING. In no way am I suggesting that they are Mafia, nor was it implied when I quoted them to you. What do you mean by honesty? I didn't say anything that could potentially have been a lie? I asked questions and made suggestions, they aren't truthful or not. This makes no sense??? I don't understand your problem with me Palmar. If you are so quick to make up your mind off one post, an introduction to the game, then I sure as hell hope GMarshal didn't give you a gun. | ||
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On August 20 2011 03:35 BrownBear wrote: Point being, Palmar, we know you want us to lynch DropBear. DropBear, we know you want us to not lynch you. Arguing about it just takes up space. Suits me. On August 20 2011 03:39 Erandorr wrote: By the way DB do you think that inofficial mayor role will ever be used in this game? you would have to have half voting for player A against the other half voting for B. And to be completely frank do you really think you would be a good fit for that role right now , with all the shit you seem to be getting from quite a few people in here? It sort of seems like you are trying really hard to get a good position that screams "I am not scum" and that is very unlikely to ever matter at all The point of it is to ensure a no-lynch never happens. It would only be used if it looks like a no-lynch is imminent. It's a contingency. The only person giving me shit is Palmar lol. On August 20 2011 03:43 Varpulis wrote: do we need to elect that lol? If you want to switch your vote to make sure that somebody dies feel free, and be prepared to be held responsible for the results. Alright fair enough, I will do so if the situation arises. | ||
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On August 21 2011 06:02 RayzorFlash wrote: My stealth vote for you was what an actual pressure vote looks like. All of a sudden, the pressure on you made you get all defensive and even pull your vote off DropBear. I'd say it was quite successful in exposing scummy behavior. Sevryn took his vote off me before he came under any pressure at all. So this is incorrect. How is a silent vote a pressure vote exactly? | ||
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He's been skirting around doing little. Only 8 posts since the game started. His actions thus far have been: - Joke post about Palmar being scum - Crapping on about how amazing Quickstriker's posts are - Crapping on about how well he played as Mafia in some old game - Claiming he will return and contribute heavily and failing to do so - Voting sevryn just because. No reasoning given. LET US LYNCH HIRO | ||
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 Other stuff - I think the case against Mig is at this point non-existent - I think the case against BrownBear is extremely poor - I am not convinced by the cases against either Sevryn or RayzorFlash - Palmar I strongly believe you are town but.... calm down bro. - My second choice for lynch would be chaoser. I've played with chaoser before when he is townie and he is always among the most active players in the thread. Only 5 posts in 48 hours is a huge changeup from his town play. Not only this, his posts have mostly been walls about how we shouldnt argue too much, how vigis and hatters should shoot who they think are scum (durr) and asking other people what they think without providing any opinions. The vote for Mig is basically "what Foolishness said". | ||
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On August 21 2011 07:41 Palmar wrote: So how obvious is it that sevryn is not scum? On August 21 2011 07:46 xtfftc wrote: Would you pick a non-lynch instead of lynching Sevryn? Are these directed at me or not? I can't tell To Palmar, his vote on me was strange, the quick dropping of it was stranger but I'm not convinced either way. To xtfftc, I'd rather lynch someone than noone. I would much rather kill hiro or chaoser over sevryn though. | ||
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On August 21 2011 07:55 Palmar wrote: what do you feel about killing brownbear db? Profoundly unenthusiastic. The part of his post you bolded as "scum logic" is pretty good town logic to me. Getting up and about early on Day 1 is beneficial. Your extreme tunnelling, as annoying as it has been, did help get shit started so I'm quite confident you are town. He states that no-lynches are bad and he will kill me if there are no other options, which is a sentiment I share. I have no issues with BrownBear as yet. Plus he's a fellow bear AND a WeMade fan, he must be a good guy :D | ||
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On August 21 2011 08:38 Mig wrote: I went to bed broski. After reading back through everything I actually think chaoser is scummier than sevryn. He spent the start of the day making bland fluff posts giving generic advice to town and followed it up with doing absolutely no scum hunting. For comparison look at his posts day1 and day2 of mafia 39 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216644&user=41788. In 39 chaoser absolutely dominated as town single handedly taking out half the scum team within the first 2 days. In that game he didn't make any fluff posts giving generic advice, he spent all his time actively pressuring people and doing real scum hunting. And now look at his play and his activity this game. It is the polar opposite. I still think sevryn is scummy but his play is at least similar to his town meta, chaoser is playing completely out of character for his town play and is contributing nothing when he is a very strong player. Vote: Chaoser If people don't switch I will go back to sevryn before the deadline. He's my number 2 choice, let's get behind this! | ||
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On August 23 2011 04:15 supersoft wrote: i just saw, mig already stacked 3 votes on him. Like I said earlier, I don't trust him etc. but for me it's too early to lynch him. Do show me where! If you don't trust him, why not lynch now? ##Vote Mig | ||
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Night 1 check was supersoft who came back as guilty I voted Mig because a) Foolishness voted him, who is pretty much confirmed after night 1. b) Because of these: On August 22 2011 16:56 supersoft wrote: ... I am not sure about mig... have to think about it. On August 22 2011 17:42 supersoft wrote: i am not convinced of that migthing now... He has been pretty useless so far and refused to do something at the end of day1. But I think it's too early to judge mig. I think we should talk about the result of the rayzoflash-incident first. The common sense at the end of day1 - i am talking about the last 4 hours - was that sev is most likely innocent. However we didn't manage to achieve a new majority for a rayzorflashlynch. Basically there are two possibilities now. First possiblity is, that Rayzor is innocent and the scumteam didn't do anything to influence the outcome of the last 4 hours, because they just didn't care. They would have voted Rayzor and sev together with the town. If that would be the case, the reason why we couldn't swing the votecount is the inactivity in general. But I don't believe that so many people just weren't here for no reason. I believe the scumteam stayed inactive because they wanted to protect rayzor. And there is the second possibility: Rayzor is scum. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. And i'd also like to hear some reasons for your inactivity @all the ppl who weren't there to vote. On August 23 2011 04:15 supersoft wrote: i just saw, mig already stacked 3 votes on him. Like I said earlier, I don't trust him etc. but for me it's too early to lynch him. On August 23 2011 08:33 supersoft wrote: i totally agree with you. I was just about getting really paranoid. I don't understand the whole foolishness/mig/chaoser i know it's about meta etc. but why don't we just keep playing this out like usually. We have a pretty solid case against xtfftc based on his vote-patterns and his refuse to commentate on other suspects. Mig was up for lynch first so why the hell not. | ||
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There was already a bandwagon on Mig, led by the sole confirmed townie. I don't see the problem? | ||
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On August 23 2011 20:59 Curu wrote: Townie does not = they are right. I think Foolishness is the most likely Townie in this game, that doesn't mean I'm going to sheep his opinion all day. Why pick this time to claim DT? You had all of 1 vote on you. More about the fact that you and Barundar unvoted him and now xtfsjdaksh leads the lynch. Mig needs to die. And I'm not going to online at lynch time/ If you'd rather vote supersoft that's cool with me too. | ||
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On August 23 2011 21:02 Mig wrote: Well obviously you want supersoft lynched now? That has to be the reason you claimed? If you are so sure I am scum I don't understand why you claimed dt already instead of just arguing for my lynch. Damn straight I want supersoft lynched. I would like you to die too though <3 | ||
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First caught my suspicions with this: On August 19 2011 17:40 supersoft wrote: ah well, it's not a big deal if everyone trolls at the beginning of the game. Also huge sum-up posts are not necessary... everyone should read the thread on his own. We need 2 lynchcandidates and we should have them in about 12 hours. We get them by pressuring people and see who defends them etc. If we have one mafiaguy amongst them, we got this game, because mafia tends to be stupid and defends each other, while a townie will get beaten up by everyone if he acts suspicious by accident. ???? This is filler if I've ever seen it. It basically says a) Noone needs to spam sumup posts b) Declares that we need lynch candidates c) We get them by playing the game d) We might not get it right the first time. Clap clap. Then the "pressure vote" on me which included a bizarre pre-emptive defence of doing it. Why would he need to defend himself before anyone has attacked him yet? On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote: i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people. Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad. ##Vote DropBear and before anyone jumps on me like: "wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum. Why would you feel the need to do this? It defeats the purpose of a pressure vote. It shows a lack of confidence in what he is saying. Why is pointing out that what you are doing is going to be met with criticism of it being stupid? Why would you want to emphasise poor play from yourself if you are town? More filler, a list of people who haven't voted yet. The nail in the coffin was his reasoning for the Sevryn vote. He declares his feeling of Sevryn's innocence: On August 20 2011 08:41 supersoft wrote: hmm, sevryns behavior had something innocent in my eyes i don't know... Somehow I tend to buy that story... I mean the whole thing started like that: Basic situation: He knew Palmar from former games; and we all know that palmar played some good games for town recently - Palmar accuses DB; I jump on that wagon but declare it as a pressurevote. Varp shows up, says pressurevotes only work if you don't say it's a pressurevote (i 75% agree with that statement) Now the poor sevryn sees all this: he also wants to contribute something by pressurevoting, so he fakes his reason and follows varps advice and gets caught immediately... However that doesn't mean he's town. yet he still ends up on sevryn because nard and xtfftc don't vote for him. On August 21 2011 03:33 supersoft wrote: perfect, xtfftc and nard both refuse to vote for sevryn and say they want to wait until he defends himself. There is no reason not to vote him until he defends himself. Not only does this behavior back up my doubts on your innocence. But it also changes my mind about sevryn. Since noone is going to follow my vote on xtfftc who is my primetarget I am going to switch on sevryn. I decided to check him and he came back guilty. Perhaps Curu and Mig are right, he needs to die first. Then we can kill Mig :D | ||
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On August 23 2011 21:43 Kurumi wrote: DB, didn't Foolishness claim RB? Unless supersoft flips RB You're fucked and You know it. But Supersoft might flip miller or regular goon(or anything else goes). What? I don't understand what you are trying to say here? On August 23 2011 21:49 Kurumi wrote: @Vain DB never said this in the thread. You and him need to die. Yes it does. Read the OP again | ||
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Guardian Angel - welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are Anfial, One of the 64 angel wardens of the celestial halls. You have been sent here to protect the citizens of liquidia and keep the cult from gaining access to the scourge. Your symbols are the needle and the ice, and every night you can choose to watch over a citizen, safeguarding them in their sleep with your sheild of frost and fury, keeping them safe from one KP. You walk about liquidia in human guise, pretending to be just another villager, although your eyes burn with the warth of God when you think of the cultists I'm the medic who protected Foolishness. That's how I know he is confirmed town. I voted Mig entirely because Foolishness did. I am having real troubles working out who is who other than that. I have no idea about Mig anymore and I'm not even sure about supersoft after his responses. Sorry all. | ||
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On August 24 2011 00:27 Mig wrote: Why would you ever do this as medic DB why? Were you trying to get the mafia to shoot you? Chaoser did it to draw shots because he was a vet. Jesus Yeah well you know from RTM that my judgement isn't always best T_T Sorry for being a retard but we need to get back to business. RayzorFlash and xtfftc? | ||
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The problem with your case against him is that initially it relied heavily on me being mafia, which I'm not. So I don't think it's a good idea. Fuck it, I'd still like to lynch supersoft. If noone wants to join me after this I understand but he's my choice. | ||
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On August 24 2011 00:38 Vain wrote: Yeah, but why was the mindset of this? get supersoft lynched? get mig lynched? get yourself lynched? I'm just confused why you thought it was a good idea to claim, please elaborate because you could have just made a case against supersoft without being night target Number one I was suss as hell on supersoft, he kept defending Mig, Foolishness was voting Mig, I know Foolishness was a good guy, people were starting to unvote Mig, Mig was starting to push me and not many people were disputing it. I was getting pressure for my dodgy claim and I fold under pressure lol. I'm done discussing this, I fucked things up enough already. Sorry everyone. Let's get back to business people. | ||
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Get back to scumhunting. RayzorFlash you have disappeared. ##Vote RayzorFlash | ||
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And I didn't like the majority lynch thing either. Thanks for hosting though Marsh | ||
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