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On August 28 2011 12:27 xtfftc wrote:Oh, and: Show nested quote +nard is 100% mafia. If I die it will be instantly clear how I know this information. Can someone explain it for stupid me what was Foolishness' proof? As a watcher, he saw Nard visit someone or someone visit Nard or?
He probably watched someone who died on the previous night. He gets a report of everyone who visited that person.
If nard visited a person who died, he's almost certainly mafia. This is, of course, has to be what Foolish was saying, because he was a watcher and he was 100% sure nard is mafia.
Now, the thing about vain is that there is a TINY possibility he's not mafia. But we'll wait for his claim before anything is said.
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Let's not take risks. We need to lynch the one that is more certainly Mafia just in case one isn't.
Claims please.
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If nard visited a person who died, he's almost certainly mafia. This is, of course, has to be what Foolish was saying, because he was a watcher and he was 100% sure nard is mafia.
There is also a possibility that nard isn't mafia and is just nosy neighbor or possibly blue.
If the person foolishness was looking at was killed by the godfather and nard also visited then foolishness would only see nard.
This is why I said I trust foolishness' call as much as I trust my own.
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Nard is certainly mafia, there's only a small doubt about vain.
You know what I mean?
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Pretty silly chaser, i think we would have been fine with just going with foolishness on nard, but I highly doubt you are lying about your check. We should check Vains history to match up with chaosers claim, and by we I mean me. For now my votes going on him. I trust chaoser is telling the truth, and he's a strong town read.
##vote vain
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Nard is a great vig hit, but we delaying chaosers claim isn't smart this late in the game.
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Until both their claims are out I will go with the confirmed Watcher over the very likely DT.
##Vote nard
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Let's wait for those claims, bum. Then we can make a proper decision.
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There is no double lynch right? 
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Guys, he's a claimed dt who's sure of his sanity. He's claimed his targets, how he knows his sanity, everything. Chaoser's fucked if he's mafia fake claiming, and I can't imagine why mafia would claim dt with no pressure on them.
##vote Vain
Also, Bumatlarge is scum. Without a shadow if a doubt, he's scum. Because we already have 2 good targets today, both very likely mafia (one called scum by a dead watcher, one called scum by a living dt) I'm not going to push for his lynch today, but I want to say it before I forget. I'll expand on these after I wake up, it's 2am where I am right now.
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Hey bumatlarge:
What's your analysis of of Visceraeyes, Rayzor, and xt? I want to know your thoughts.
On August 28 2011 14:59 Varpulis wrote:
Guys, he's a claimed dt who's sure of his sanity. He's claimed his targets, how he knows his sanity, everything. Chaoser's fucked if he's mafia fake claiming, and I can't imagine why mafia would claim dt with no pressure on them.
##vote Vain
Also, Bumatlarge is scum. Without a shadow if a doubt, he's scum. Because we already have 2 good targets today, both very likely mafia (one called scum by a dead watcher, one called scum by a living dt) I'm not going to push for his lynch today, but I want to say it before I forget. I'll expand on these after I wake up, it's 2am where I am right now.
I think we should think this through carefully. Once vain and nard are back (it's fairly early in Europe right now, no?) and can claim we can choose the correct target.
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On August 28 2011 15:15 wherebugsgo wrote:Hey bumatlarge:What's your analysis of of Visceraeyes, Rayzor, and xt? I want to know your thoughts. Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 14:59 Varpulis wrote:
Guys, he's a claimed dt who's sure of his sanity. He's claimed his targets, how he knows his sanity, everything. Chaoser's fucked if he's mafia fake claiming, and I can't imagine why mafia would claim dt with no pressure on them.
##vote Vain
Also, Bumatlarge is scum. Without a shadow if a doubt, he's scum. Because we already have 2 good targets today, both very likely mafia (one called scum by a dead watcher, one called scum by a living dt) I'm not going to push for his lynch today, but I want to say it before I forget. I'll expand on these after I wake up, it's 2am where I am right now. I think we should think this through carefully. Once vain and nard are back (it's fairly early in Europe right now, no?) and can claim we can choose the correct target.
Vain's my personal preference as of now. There's no margin for error when a dt comes out and says "he's scum". I believe Chaoser's claim. In an ideal world, we lynch either nard or vain today, the other gets vigged tonight, and we lynch brownbear tomorrow, for 3 scum dead in 2 days.
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##vote: nard
we lynch him today and vain tomorrow. i was suspicious of this fellow right from the beginning! let's win this game.
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On August 28 2011 15:26 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 15:15 wherebugsgo wrote:Hey bumatlarge:What's your analysis of of Visceraeyes, Rayzor, and xt? I want to know your thoughts. On August 28 2011 14:59 Varpulis wrote:
Guys, he's a claimed dt who's sure of his sanity. He's claimed his targets, how he knows his sanity, everything. Chaoser's fucked if he's mafia fake claiming, and I can't imagine why mafia would claim dt with no pressure on them.
##vote Vain
Also, Bumatlarge is scum. Without a shadow if a doubt, he's scum. Because we already have 2 good targets today, both very likely mafia (one called scum by a dead watcher, one called scum by a living dt) I'm not going to push for his lynch today, but I want to say it before I forget. I'll expand on these after I wake up, it's 2am where I am right now. I think we should think this through carefully. Once vain and nard are back (it's fairly early in Europe right now, no?) and can claim we can choose the correct target. Vain's my personal preference as of now. There's no margin for error when a dt comes out and says "he's scum". I believe Chaoser's claim. In an ideal world, we lynch either nard or vain today, the other gets vigged tonight, and we lynch brownbear tomorrow, for 3 scum dead in 2 days.
Yes there is ALWAYS a margin of error with a DT. You're not thinking this through.
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Hmm, the margins of error that I can see are: Chaoser's is mafia, and he's not sane. I don't think he's mafia and he's confirmed himself as sane.
If you want to argue the possibility that vain's a miller, the same argument can be made replacing vain with nard and miller with nosy neighbor. For the purposes of my decision, I'm ignoring both possibilities.
I would like to stress that I'm not against lynching nard. In fact I would hope that he dies too, and soon. I simply think that it's better to lynch vain first.
I really do need sleep, so I'll revisit this tomorrow when I'm not dead tired; maybe I'm missing something. Hopefully both will have claimed by then, and we can move forwards from there.
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Meh at foolishness listing me as mafia before he died. I'm up for either of the two checks, chaoser was pushing mig full time this game, so he is pretty clear town to me. Not my preferred way of winning to rely on blues, but no reason not to take the free kills.
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Are we finally going to lynch nard?
##vote nard
*Happy*
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Just a heads up, Cosmic horror mafia ended now, and it had some players from here playing there, if you want to have something up to date to compare playstyles to. Note it's a PM game though.
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Not cosmic horror, werewolfs invade team liquid*
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On August 28 2011 15:56 Varpulis wrote:
Hmm, the margins of error that I can see are: Chaoser's is mafia, and he's not sane. I don't think he's mafia and he's confirmed himself as sane.
If you want to argue the possibility that vain's a miller, the same argument can be made replacing vain with nard and miller with nosy neighbor. For the purposes of my decision, I'm ignoring both possibilities.
I would like to stress that I'm not against lynching nard. In fact I would hope that he dies too, and soon. I simply think that it's better to lynch vain first.
I really do need sleep, so I'll revisit this tomorrow when I'm not dead tired; maybe I'm missing something. Hopefully both will have claimed by then, and we can move forwards from there.
I think you still are missing something, but that's alright. Also, chaoser is almost certainly not mafia.
It's my opinion that all the millers are probably dead, but that's not really that important. The reason I emphasize thinking this one through is because the lynch is important, and I feel that, while the choices have been blatantly scummy so far, we need to go with the one that gives us an absolute certain mafia kill. I can see clear, objective reasons to prefer one target over the other right now. If the claims change my opinion, so be it, but for now nard is a far better target to me than vain.
The reason why I'm not explicitly stating my reasons for saying this is because I don't want my reasons to affect the way that nard/vain defend themselves.
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