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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
August 28 2011 03:48 GMT
#1861
On August 28 2011 12:27 xtfftc wrote:
Oh, and:

Show nested quote +
nard is 100% mafia. If I die it will be instantly clear how I know this information.


Can someone explain it for stupid me what was Foolishness' proof? As a watcher, he saw Nard visit someone or someone visit Nard or?


He probably watched someone who died on the previous night. He gets a report of everyone who visited that person.

If nard visited a person who died, he's almost certainly mafia. This is, of course, has to be what Foolish was saying, because he was a watcher and he was 100% sure nard is mafia.

Now, the thing about vain is that there is a TINY possibility he's not mafia. But we'll wait for his claim before anything is said.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 28 2011 03:49 GMT
#1862
Let's not take risks. We need to lynch the one that is more certainly Mafia just in case one isn't.

Claims please.
wat
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
August 28 2011 03:52 GMT
#1863
If nard visited a person who died, he's almost certainly mafia. This is, of course, has to be what Foolish was saying, because he was a watcher and he was 100% sure nard is mafia.


There is also a possibility that nard isn't mafia and is just nosy neighbor or possibly blue.

If the person foolishness was looking at was killed by the godfather and nard also visited then foolishness would only see nard.

This is why I said I trust foolishness' call as much as I trust my own.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
August 28 2011 03:52 GMT
#1864
Nard is certainly mafia, there's only a small doubt about vain.

You know what I mean?
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 28 2011 03:56 GMT
#1865
Pretty silly chaser, i think we would have been fine with just going with foolishness on nard, but I highly doubt you are lying about your check. We should check Vains history to match up with chaosers claim, and by we I mean me. For now my votes going on him. I trust chaoser is telling the truth, and he's a strong town read.

##vote vain
Together but separate, like oatmeal
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 28 2011 03:59 GMT
#1866
Nard is a great vig hit, but we delaying chaosers claim isn't smart this late in the game.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 28 2011 04:00 GMT
#1867
Until both their claims are out I will go with the confirmed Watcher over the very likely DT.

##Vote nard
wat
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
August 28 2011 04:01 GMT
#1868
Let's wait for those claims, bum. Then we can make a proper decision.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 28 2011 04:03 GMT
#1869
There is no double lynch right?
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 28 2011 05:59 GMT
#1870
Guys, he's a claimed dt who's sure of his sanity. He's claimed his targets, how he knows his sanity, everything. Chaoser's fucked if he's mafia fake claiming, and I can't imagine why mafia would claim dt with no pressure on them.

##vote Vain

Also, Bumatlarge is scum. Without a shadow if a doubt, he's scum. Because we already have 2 good targets today, both very likely mafia (one called scum by a dead watcher, one called scum by a living dt) I'm not going to push for his lynch today, but I want to say it before I forget. I'll expand on these after I wake up, it's 2am where I am right now.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
August 28 2011 06:15 GMT
#1871
Hey bumatlarge:

What's your analysis of of Visceraeyes, Rayzor, and xt? I want to know your thoughts.

On August 28 2011 14:59 Varpulis wrote:
Guys, he's a claimed dt who's sure of his sanity. He's claimed his targets, how he knows his sanity, everything. Chaoser's fucked if he's mafia fake claiming, and I can't imagine why mafia would claim dt with no pressure on them.

##vote Vain

Also, Bumatlarge is scum. Without a shadow if a doubt, he's scum. Because we already have 2 good targets today, both very likely mafia (one called scum by a dead watcher, one called scum by a living dt) I'm not going to push for his lynch today, but I want to say it before I forget. I'll expand on these after I wake up, it's 2am where I am right now.


I think we should think this through carefully. Once vain and nard are back (it's fairly early in Europe right now, no?) and can claim we can choose the correct target.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 28 2011 06:26 GMT
#1872
On August 28 2011 15:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hey bumatlarge:

What's your analysis of of Visceraeyes, Rayzor, and xt? I want to know your thoughts.

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 14:59 Varpulis wrote:
Guys, he's a claimed dt who's sure of his sanity. He's claimed his targets, how he knows his sanity, everything. Chaoser's fucked if he's mafia fake claiming, and I can't imagine why mafia would claim dt with no pressure on them.

##vote Vain

Also, Bumatlarge is scum. Without a shadow if a doubt, he's scum. Because we already have 2 good targets today, both very likely mafia (one called scum by a dead watcher, one called scum by a living dt) I'm not going to push for his lynch today, but I want to say it before I forget. I'll expand on these after I wake up, it's 2am where I am right now.


I think we should think this through carefully. Once vain and nard are back (it's fairly early in Europe right now, no?) and can claim we can choose the correct target.

Vain's my personal preference as of now. There's no margin for error when a dt comes out and says "he's scum". I believe Chaoser's claim. In an ideal world, we lynch either nard or vain today, the other gets vigged tonight, and we lynch brownbear tomorrow, for 3 scum dead in 2 days.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 28 2011 06:32 GMT
#1873
##vote: nard

we lynch him today and vain tomorrow. i was suspicious of this fellow right from the beginning! let's win this game.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
August 28 2011 06:40 GMT
#1874
On August 28 2011 15:26 Varpulis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 15:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hey bumatlarge:

What's your analysis of of Visceraeyes, Rayzor, and xt? I want to know your thoughts.

On August 28 2011 14:59 Varpulis wrote:
Guys, he's a claimed dt who's sure of his sanity. He's claimed his targets, how he knows his sanity, everything. Chaoser's fucked if he's mafia fake claiming, and I can't imagine why mafia would claim dt with no pressure on them.

##vote Vain

Also, Bumatlarge is scum. Without a shadow if a doubt, he's scum. Because we already have 2 good targets today, both very likely mafia (one called scum by a dead watcher, one called scum by a living dt) I'm not going to push for his lynch today, but I want to say it before I forget. I'll expand on these after I wake up, it's 2am where I am right now.


I think we should think this through carefully. Once vain and nard are back (it's fairly early in Europe right now, no?) and can claim we can choose the correct target.

Vain's my personal preference as of now. There's no margin for error when a dt comes out and says "he's scum". I believe Chaoser's claim. In an ideal world, we lynch either nard or vain today, the other gets vigged tonight, and we lynch brownbear tomorrow, for 3 scum dead in 2 days.


Yes there is ALWAYS a margin of error with a DT. You're not thinking this through.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 28 2011 06:56 GMT
#1875
Hmm, the margins of error that I can see are: Chaoser's is mafia, and he's not sane. I don't think he's mafia and he's confirmed himself as sane.

If you want to argue the possibility that vain's a miller, the same argument can be made replacing vain with nard and miller with nosy neighbor. For the purposes of my decision, I'm ignoring both possibilities.

I would like to stress that I'm not against lynching nard. In fact I would hope that he dies too, and soon. I simply think that it's better to lynch vain first.

I really do need sleep, so I'll revisit this tomorrow when I'm not dead tired; maybe I'm missing something. Hopefully both will have claimed by then, and we can move forwards from there.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 28 2011 07:33 GMT
#1876
Meh at foolishness listing me as mafia before he died. I'm up for either of the two checks, chaoser was pushing mig full time this game, so he is pretty clear town to me. Not my preferred way of winning to rely on blues, but no reason not to take the free kills.
Bartundar
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 28 2011 07:43 GMT
#1877
Are we finally going to lynch nard?

##vote nard

*Happy*
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 28 2011 07:57 GMT
#1878
Just a heads up, Cosmic horror mafia ended now, and it had some players from here playing there, if you want to have something up to date to compare playstyles to. Note it's a PM game though.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 28 2011 08:02 GMT
#1879
Not cosmic horror, werewolfs invade team liquid*
Bartundar
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
August 28 2011 08:08 GMT
#1880
On August 28 2011 15:56 Varpulis wrote:
Hmm, the margins of error that I can see are: Chaoser's is mafia, and he's not sane. I don't think he's mafia and he's confirmed himself as sane.

If you want to argue the possibility that vain's a miller, the same argument can be made replacing vain with nard and miller with nosy neighbor. For the purposes of my decision, I'm ignoring both possibilities.

I would like to stress that I'm not against lynching nard. In fact I would hope that he dies too, and soon. I simply think that it's better to lynch vain first.

I really do need sleep, so I'll revisit this tomorrow when I'm not dead tired; maybe I'm missing something. Hopefully both will have claimed by then, and we can move forwards from there.


I think you still are missing something, but that's alright. Also, chaoser is almost certainly not mafia.

It's my opinion that all the millers are probably dead, but that's not really that important. The reason I emphasize thinking this one through is because the lynch is important, and I feel that, while the choices have been blatantly scummy so far, we need to go with the one that gives us an absolute certain mafia kill. I can see clear, objective reasons to prefer one target over the other right now. If the claims change my opinion, so be it, but for now nard is a far better target to me than vain.

The reason why I'm not explicitly stating my reasons for saying this is because I don't want my reasons to affect the way that nard/vain defend themselves.

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