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On August 24 2011 19:44 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 19:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 24 2011 19:33 Palmar wrote:On August 24 2011 19:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 24 2011 19:28 supersoft wrote:On August 24 2011 19:23 Lucidity wrote:On August 24 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:On August 24 2011 19:01 Lucidity wrote:
Can't believe he was green though -.- yah, it's because you don't think, or you're scum. And for some reason no one listens to a word I say. You believed hiro's Vet claim. I don't think your judgment this game is that great. Trying to introduce chaos13 as the new lynch candidate 2 hours before deadline was also a blunder. If anyone is not thinking, it is you. Based on the previous game I played with you I expected more from you... That's worrying me. You're a joke. If you expect something from palmar, you have to give him the chance to prove himself. Consequently you have to vote for his targets. You were wrong two times now. How can you claim that palmars judgement isn't that great, while your judgement isn't existing. One additional word to your accusations towards me: You didn't see that hiro was green, because you're just not smart enough. This is nothing personal or whatever, but if you don't see that the wagon on hero came out of the nowhere and builded up exceptionally fast, with noone reasoning his decision, I can't help you. Okay. I think this post convinced me lol. Come morning I'm voting you. That would be a pretty stupid move. Well I'd be down to vote you too, cause your actions over the past day have definitely eroded my town opinion of you. I think you're scumbuddies with supersoft. Both you and supersoft have attempted to gain towncred by landing on the right side of the voting both days. SS was more obvious about it but you've been spearheading these distraction efforts too. You BOTH are claiming we're all too dumb etc etc to see that hiro/sev were town when in reality hiro played like absolute trash and Sevryn's mistakes made him seem like a pretty good target day 1 too. Yeah, we were ultimately wrong in our assessments, but I stand by the reasoning. You can filter my posts and go back and see my analysis of hiro, for example. Honestly though, you and supersoft jumped several levels all at once in scumminess, ESPECIALLY in that last 2 hours vote switch you guys attempted. I'm scum because I'm right, lol I'm not saying town is stupid, I'm saying it's my own fault for not explaining my arguments in a good enough manner to prevent town from doing stupid shit. Basically, at this point you're either town hiding the fact that you're not objectively reading the thread behind claiming hiro and sevryn are bad, or you're scum trying to do look like you're doing exactly that. I have been leaning town on you for a while, I simply think your reasons were wrong. Being wrong is fine, being okay with being wrong is good town play, but we also need to be objective instead of emotional. Read the entire thing again with the knowledge you have now. You should find things a bit more clear. I'm not giving up, and at some point people will listen.
You're not scum because you're right.
You're scum because you were right when no one else was.
There's a big difference. Care to explain why, if you knew all along hiro was town, you didn't reason me and others out of voting him? Care to explain why you would pick a lurking lynch target in the last 2 hours of the day to focus your attention on, when we already had 3 candidates to lynch, ALL with decent analysis on them? Care to explain why you would seemingly just throw out 20+ hours of information and work just to muck up the last 2 hours with a vote on chaos13 (lol) instead of Mig or hiro? We could've used that time to discuss, instead we lost it all scrambling to try and get a vote on an actual lynch candidate most of us had spent hours analyzing.
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On August 24 2011 19:45 Palmar wrote:
@Lucidity, are you going to explain to me how believing the Vet claim was bad judgement, cause I'm waiting?
LOL
You believed the vet claim, of all things. Hiro's logic was so convoluted I have no idea how anyone could've believed he actually was a vet. He didn't even provide flavotext for it.
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I checked his play in another game where he was mafia (AA?) and he tends to make accusations on his mafia buddies. Once he ran it though to lynch, (on hiro, no less) and he gained so much towncred that he managed to win...I think this might've been in one of the minis, #4? Once I have access to a computer I'll find it again.
At the moment I'm leaning scum on Palmar but I agree with the last part of Foolishness's post; if Palmar continues to degrade the town atmosphere it'd be beneficial to lynch him.
Day 1 and yesterday until the last two hours I tended to read Palmar's posts and take them with a grain of salt, but after that...
Also if you're suggesting we look at lurkers, foolish, then we should pick out the scummiest lurker and vote him.
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Sorry guys, I'm still on my phone so I can't contribute very much, but I've been reading the latest posts and want to reiterate Curu's.
After day 1 I remember a bunch of us had a scummy read on Vain (I remember Foolish specifically saying something like, remind me to lynch this guy) but he flew under the radar.
I also agree with Foolish on the point he made earlier that mafia are likely to be hiding among the lurkers because our bad town play is merely killing us off. Why would the mafia have to pretend to contribute when we're killing ourselves?
Now that I've calmed down a bit, I think we should give the whole Palmar/supersoft situation time and see what information we can glean over the course of today and possibly tomorrow. Today I will back a lynch effort of someone who isn't quite as active, but is still very scummy, as I think we can all agree that the most active players right now tend to be very town-aligned or at least difficult to read.
To this end we obviously have Vain as a choice. We also have Trotske, though i'm still surprised he's not been modkilled.
I also want to add that Mig has disappeared through the night, which as foolish mentioned is something mafia tend to do.
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On August 25 2011 10:26 Foolishness wrote:
And iGrok everything you need to know is in my long post up there. Just build off of that.
Although strange...I remember at one time thinking Trotske was mafia, but don't recall why.
It may be because I posted analysis of Trotske. You can filter my posts and look for that if you'd like; I pointed him out when most other people had forgotten about him.
Also, I feel like I must reiterate that I'm no longer convinced that Palmar is town. You yourself, foolish, said that he has a tendency to accuse his fellow scum when he is mafia, and when I looked at his post history when he was mafia I noticed that exact thing. If you think BB is mafia I think it's still possible palmar is too, despite the fact that Palmar was pursuing BB's lynch. To all of us, it flew a bit under the radar because his lynch effort never seemed serious.
Later, BB defended Palmar because he claimed that Palmar's tunnelling of himself was beneficial to the town by sparking discussion.
In hindsight, how can you say that? I think it was detrimental to the town, as it ended up confusing us and causing mistakes. Sevryn made a big blunder real early and he paid for it quite dearly.
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On August 25 2011 13:04 Mig wrote:
Also palmar (green) voted BB. Chaos13 voted foolish. Rayzor voted Hiro. Greymist (green) voted nard. Curu unvoted me and voted xttfc. How many of these people were mafia trying to divert the lynch away from me?
And of the 4 people you listed who didn't give their opinion on me. The only person who was on the start of the xtffc bandwagon was hiro who fucking flipped green! Where exactly are the mafia trying to divert the lynch off of me?!?!
I mean am I fucking going crazy here or what? Your trap is the most retarded thing I have ever seen and you use it as proof that I am scum? And chaos pops in to add that it guarantees I am scum?
I am honestly tilted by this. Look at my play and tell me how I am scummy. Instead of using 5000 random bits of information that have absolutely nothing to do with me to try and get me lynched.
I think we need to be careful with this one. His last few posts are very fishy indeed, fishier than the ones he made yesterday. I'm curious now...
I still do not have access to a proper computer, but I'll post analysis as soon as I can.
##vote Mig
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On August 25 2011 14:21 Mig wrote:
How is that fishy lol? Did you read foolishness "trap" for how he determined that mafia were diverting the lynch from me?
Does no one have any common sense whatsoever?
You're playing with your emotions too much.
Also, this pretty much damns BB:
The first 4 people who voted for xtfftc day2 were supersoft/hiro (green)/wherebugsgo/VE. Which one of them is mafia foolish? You KNOW that mafia were trying to swing the lynch away from me instead of defending me apparently. So tell me why is your other target BB the 5th person to vote for me. What about the others who did it before him?
You're right in that first sentence, Mig, and I'd be inclined to believe all of those names are green. I had serious doubts about SS yesterday but that was because (and this is my mistake) I was emotionally charged about Palmar and SS acting as if their thoughts were superior (or at least, this is how I felt it came across, making me less likely to listen to either of them.
However, we all caught onto xtfftc because of small mistakes he made that made him look scummy. BB didn't add anything new to the table and never seriously supported the lynch. You're trying to divert attention right now. IMO because you know you're probably dead, you're doing your best to be useful to mafia before you're gone. Am I right?
I think it's safe to conclude BB is also mafia.
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On August 25 2011 14:41 Mig wrote:
You are doing the exact same thing as foolish. Because you think BB is scummy you are randomly linking the 2 of us together to make me appear worse.
Foolish tried to argue that mafia are the ones who diverted the lynch from me to xtfft. You just said you think the first 4 people who voted for him were all town! How do you not see the flaws in the plan then????
Who exactly was diverting the lynch that is what I want to know.
Actually, I thought you were scummy and I connected BB partially based on you mentioning him.
So no, I didn't do what foolish did (although I don't see how that would be a problem to begin with)
Also, it's not a random link when you're the one making the suspicious off-hand remark about him.
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Okay, my promised analysis is coming up. (I am now on a laptop).
Mig is a hard player to analyze. IMO, it's because he's good. A good scum will be hard to analyze. The goal of scum during the day is to achieve their agenda while deceiving the town into believing that they are one of us. Mig is no exception, but I think he has made mistakes in attempting to cover himself.
WALL OF TEXT INCOMING. The post only truly makes sense with everything, but if you are short on time, skip to the bottom, my conclusion. To make this easier I've put all my analysis prior to the conclusion into spoilers to save space.
On August 21 2011 08:56 Mig wrote:
The Vet point for chaoser is accurate but there is a pretty huge difference between being such a dominating force and providing detailed and good scum hunting and his play this game. The main thing to look at is chaoser's motivation. In 39 he ran a gambit where he pressure voted early just to try and get a read on a player. He was actively searching for scum, he was questioning people repeatedly early on. This game he has been completely MIA he asked nav like 2 questions, which he didn't follow up on at all. He is putting 0 effort into helping the town when he very capable.
+ Show Spoiler +From what I understand of your meta, you've been playing pretty differently for being town too. I highlighted this sentence because, IMO, it draws attention away from your own "town flaws" this game; e.g. lack of effort, asking questions, analysis. Your first post in the game has been identified numerous times by other people as being scummy. If you replace chaoser with your own name, your argument would still hold.
My argument here is that, this post makes sense as mafia only for a good player. A good mafia player will want to shift the suspicion off themselves by establishing themselves as a good town player early. This fucks with the town greatly, because it induces a sense of paranoia when a player who seems town begins to show signs of scumminess, but leaves few obvious, objective tells.
In 39 chaoser absolutely dominated as town single handedly taking out half the scum team within the first 2 days. In that game he didn't make any fluff posts giving generic advice, he spent all his time actively pressuring people and doing real scum hunting. And now look at his play and his activity this game. It is the polar opposite.
I still think sevryn is scummy but his play is at least similar to his town meta, chaoser is playing completely out of character for his town play and is contributing nothing when he is a very strong player.
Vote: Chaoser
If people don't switch I will go back to sevryn before the deadline.
Alone, this line is not fishy. But with the following:
On August 21 2011 09:50 Mig wrote:
Lynch is definitely better than no lynch. But so no one is suspicious of chaoser besides me/db? Jackal/palmar/supersoft what do you think of him?
+ Show Spoiler +Why do you need to reiterate that lynch is better than no lynch? We know that. Why repeat it?
This is the third post you push after chaoser, but each one is just looking for someone who also shares a suspicion of him. You do nothing to actually further your case, just keep asking if anyone else is willing to back you up. This is a little suspicious, but nothing definitive. It only makes sense in the context of other things you've done.
Again, it is my opinion that Mig continues to try to establish himself as a contributing townie. His failure is in that there actually is little contribution, just things on the surface. Mig, as a good player, has seen holes in chaoser's play and is attempting to take advantage of that to paint chaoser as mafia.
Caveat:
+ Show Spoiler +This doesn't rule out the possibility that chaoser could still be mafia, though. The pressure that Mig put on chaoser wasn't serious; no matter chaoser's alignment, it was always unlikely that he would get lynched. Thus, no matter what chaoser's alignment ultimately is, Mig benefits from pushing for his lynch.
1. If chaoser is town, Mig can push his lynch softly and not expect the lynch to actually follow; however, by pretending to contribute, he can build towncred for himself.
2. If chaoser is mafia, Mig can potentially bus him at the right opportunity and gain a LOT of towncred for himself. Palmar did this with hiro, for example, among the last days in one of the mini-mafias that I read over today and yesterday, if I remember correctly.
On August 22 2011 17:57 Mig wrote:
Super if I am mafia and I was trying to save rayzor why did I even post saying why I was going to keep my vote on sevryn? Why was I putting the effort in to try and get people to switch to chaoser before the end of the day? If I knew sevryn was green and I was mafia I could have just sat back and pretended I wasn't there to avoid suspicion.
You say it was obvious sevryn was green but after reading rayzor's post about being willing to take the blame if sevryn flipped green, sevryn seemed a lot more likely to be mafia. I agree if rayzor is actually red I look very bad but I put my vote on who I thought was most likely to be scum.
+ Show Spoiler +The answer to your question is that you're a better player than that. You know that it would be suspicious for you to sit back and let Sevryn get lynched by bandwagoning him, without any real analysis of your own (because, as mafia, you often have little real analysis to make unless a townie fucks up) So, instead, you chose to target chaoser because you thought you could capitalize on his change in behavior. This makes you less suspicious, as by pushing forward a different lynch target, when Sevryn flipped green you could go back and say, "well I wanted to lynch chaoser."
In addition, by presenting a semi-valid argument (that chaoser's meta suggested he's acting as mafia) you can pretend to contribute, and avoid suspicion by taking on the role of an active townie.
Of course, it was also effective in throwing suspicion off of yourself for that really scummy first post about Sevryn. It wasn't necessary, but the mark of a careful player, as by the time you began to push for chaoser it was already obvious that Sevryn was probably going to die/be one of the main lynch targets.
And, as for Rayzor, we'll get to that later.
On August 23 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:
My activity this game has been a lot lower than most of my games. I am really burned out on mafia right now. I have played too many games recently and I am going to take a break after this game. I have to force myself just to actually read the thread. It is no excuse for my poor play but it is the truth. So if I am lynched because of it my apologies for sucking.
But is no one else seeing the extremely poor reasoning behind some of the people jumping on my bandwagon?
Jackal - gives no reason whatsoever for voting me
dropbear - First you say you are ok with hiro because he tried to lead the lynch off of sevryn. Wtf I was trying to get people to vote chaoser before the rayzor bandwagon even really got started. And you even agreed with me while I was trying to make it happen. You then proceed to vote for me without giving a single reason.
Varp - Did you even read my post about meta arguments or did you just intentionally ignore the meaning of it? I am not against meta arguments. I used meta arguments to help get you lynched in the last game we played together. I use meta pretty much every game I play. My entire point was foolishness' meta argument was trash and didn't actually show I was scum at all.
Curu - just a pure meta reason
Nobody has defended me at all this game. Has my play really been so scummy this game that if I were mafia not a single one of my team members would be willing to try and save me?
If am lynched because of my poor play it's my own fault but people should take a look at everything surrounding my bandwagon.
Anyway it doesn't appear I have any shot at convincing people to vote chaoser so I will write up a case on who I feel is the next scummiest in the next few minutes.
Alright, let's break this one down a bit.
On August 23 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:
My activity this game has been a lot lower than most of my games. I am really burned out on mafia right now. I have played too many games recently and I am going to take a break after this game. I have to force myself just to actually read the thread. It is no excuse for my poor play but it is the truth. So if I am lynched because of it my apologies for sucking.
But is no one else seeing the extremely poor reasoning behind some of the people jumping on my bandwagon?
+ Show Spoiler +In red is the appeal to emotion. Mig isn't tired, he's just fucking with us.
Then comes the defense of himself. At the time he posted it, I thought it was a good defense. I really did, and I'm pretty sure it's because the emotional appeal primed me to believe him. But look at how he shifts the attention away from himself immediately before he becomes the majority lynch target:
On August 23 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:
Jackal - gives no reason whatsoever for voting me
+ Show Spoiler +False, Jackal cited Mig's scummy first post on Sevryn and also his late vote.
On August 23 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:
dropbear - First you say you are ok with hiro because he tried to lead the lynch off of sevryn. Wtf I was trying to get people to vote chaoser before the rayzor bandwagon even really got started. And you even agreed with me while I was trying to make it happen. You then proceed to vote for me without giving a single reason.
+ Show Spoiler +Mig highlighting a bad townie play
I have nothing really to say on the meta stuff, you guys form your own conclusions on that (did Mig contradict himself on the meta arguments? Iunno.)
On August 23 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:
Chaos did you even read my posts from yesterday? Did you see my case against DB? Every person who has voted me foolish/chaoser/you has completely ignored everything I did day2. Tell me how I wasn't helpful yesterday? I actively scum hunted and I provided GOOD analysis. Were my points against DB inaccurate? Was I stretching the truth to try and make him appear scummy? Actually look at my case and ask yourself whether that was a scum or townie driven analysis.
+ Show Spoiler +Actually, we all ignored DB because DB's actions were so farfetched and attention grabbing that he had to be town. That's why I ignored him, at least. Mafia would lie about a roleclaim, but not in the fashion that DB did. Mafia would roleclaim more like how hiro did, IMO.
drumroll....
CONCLUSION FOLLOWS:
On August 23 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:
One last thing. Why did jackal die last night? Was anyone else getting blue vibes from him? I wasn't. Had he been especially active or provided any strong analysis? No. So why was he shot instead of someone like Curu or you barundar?
My conclusion is that you shot him.
He was one of the players you were annoyed at for voting you, and then you saw the opportunity to paint chaos as the perpetrator. You are a good player. You can think ahead.
Yet, you had a problem with Jackal calling you out for being scum for "no reason whatsoever," whereas you're completely fine with Jackal being convinced that chaos is mafia based on almost nothing as well? That's pretty hypocritical.
However, more important is this, and if you're town and reading this, please bear with me. The conclusion I made above might seem really strange to you right now, and you don't have to agree with it. Here goes:
The following post has great relevance.
On August 21 2011 05:57 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 04:58 RayzorFlash wrote:
/in ... My first Mafia game, but I've been doing the research and it seems fun :D Somebody is being coached. + Show Spoiler +On August 19 2011 09:44 RayzorFlash wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 09:37 Kurumi wrote:On August 19 2011 09:34 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 09:32 ghrur wrote:On August 19 2011 09:31 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 09:02 Kurumi wrote:On August 19 2011 08:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol da eff?
I think the whole "single out kurumi" is pretty funny. He's "annoying"=lynch lol.
I'm sure there'll be clues to help us identify scum pretty quickly as people post. See, I am like "ok guys if You're clever enough I won't troll!" Then Mig fails his test. Navillus. Here's one for You! If You answer this correctly, I won't troll this game. You are in a room with three doors. The walls are sturdy and cold. You have full pack of dry lights. Scratching light against the pack will ignite it. How will You get out of here? Door 1: It has a very small window You can't see through, it's kind of foggy. Door 2: It has little opening in the lower bottom. Door 3: It's like one solid block. ooh ooh give me one!! There are 6 mafia in a town of thirty. Here is the discussion of the thirty people. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174Find all mafia. jackal, xfftc, poncho, foolishness, nard and palmar. that was easy, I wanted a hard one JeeJee I understand You like riddles, but could You say something about Navillus? He has the biggest posts in the thread and there are couple of them. I'd like to know what do You think about him. It does seem highly strange and suspicious that in a game full of lurkers, he's gone above and beyond to draw attention to himself... On August 19 2011 09:56 RayzorFlash wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 09:48 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 09:46 Kurumi wrote:On August 19 2011 09:42 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 09:37 Kurumi wrote:On August 19 2011 09:34 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 09:32 ghrur wrote:On August 19 2011 09:31 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 09:02 Kurumi wrote:On August 19 2011 08:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol da eff?
I think the whole "single out kurumi" is pretty funny. He's "annoying"=lynch lol.
I'm sure there'll be clues to help us identify scum pretty quickly as people post. See, I am like "ok guys if You're clever enough I won't troll!" Then Mig fails his test. Navillus. Here's one for You! If You answer this correctly, I won't troll this game. You are in a room with three doors. The walls are sturdy and cold. You have full pack of dry lights. Scratching light against the pack will ignite it. How will Yu get out of here? Door 1: It has a very small window You can't see through, it's kind of foggy. Door 2: It has little opening in the lower bottom. Door 3: It's like one solid block. ooh ooh give me one!! There are 6 mafia in a town of thirty. Here is the discussion of the thirty people. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174Find all mafia. jackal, xfftc, poncho, foolishness, nard and palmar. that was easy, I wanted a hard one JeeJee I understand You like riddles, but could You say something about Navillus? He has the biggest posts in the thread and there are couple of them. I'd like to know what do You think about him. Just re-read hist posts.. he's using lots of words to basically say kill lurkers. Complete null-read, everyone of any alignment will agree to this. When he starts contributing opinions on players, we'll see. So You admitted that Navillus is only posting fluff so he looks like he is contributing without contributing? "everyone of any alignment" part is budging me. Yep, but what else are you gonna do in the beginning? Everything starts from fluff. If fluff continues, it's a different story of course. P.S. would totally appreciate it if you stopped capitalizing 'you'  On August 19 2011 09:44 RayzorFlash wrote:On August 19 2011 09:37 Kurumi wrote:On August 19 2011 09:34 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 09:32 ghrur wrote:On August 19 2011 09:31 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 09:02 Kurumi wrote:On August 19 2011 08:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol da eff?
I think the whole "single out kurumi" is pretty funny. He's "annoying"=lynch lol.
I'm sure there'll be clues to help us identify scum pretty quickly as people post. See, I am like "ok guys if You're clever enough I won't troll!" Then Mig fails his test. Navillus. Here's one for You! If You answer this correctly, I won't troll this game. You are in a room with three doors. The walls are sturdy and cold. You have full pack of dry lights. Scratching light against the pack will ignite it. How will You get out of here? Door 1: It has a very small window You can't see through, it's kind of foggy. Door 2: It has little opening in the lower bottom. Door 3: It's like one solid block. ooh ooh give me one!! There are 6 mafia in a town of thirty. Here is the discussion of the thirty people. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174Find all mafia. jackal, xfftc, poncho, foolishness, nard and palmar. that was easy, I wanted a hard one JeeJee I understand You like riddles, but could You say something about Navillus? He has the biggest posts in the thread and there are couple of them. I'd like to know what do You think about him. It does seem highly strange and suspicious that in a game full of lurkers, he's gone above and beyond to draw attention to himself... how so? It would be very easy for scum to abide by the "three post a day" criteria if they wanted to... I just don't think it would be that effective, because just based on the sheer number of new people, and the ratio of scum-to-townie, there are inevitably going to be a lot of townies in the lurker list, and wasting town KPs on them would only make it easier for the scum... On August 19 2011 13:42 RayzorFlash wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 12:00 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 09:56 RayzorFlash wrote:On August 19 2011 09:48 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 09:46 Kurumi wrote:On August 19 2011 09:42 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 09:37 Kurumi wrote:On August 19 2011 09:34 JeeJee wrote:jackal, xfftc, poncho, foolishness, nard and palmar. that was easy, I wanted a hard one JeeJee I understand You like riddles, but could You say something about Navillus? He has the biggest posts in the thread and there are couple of them. I'd like to know what do You think about him. Just re-read hist posts.. he's using lots of words to basically say kill lurkers. Complete null-read, everyone of any alignment will agree to this. When he starts contributing opinions on players, we'll see. So You admitted that Navillus is only posting fluff so he looks like he is contributing without contributing? "everyone of any alignment" part is budging me. Yep, but what else are you gonna do in the beginning? Everything starts from fluff. If fluff continues, it's a different story of course. P.S. would totally appreciate it if you stopped capitalizing 'you' On August 19 2011 09:44 RayzorFlash wrote:On August 19 2011 09:37 Kurumi wrote:On August 19 2011 09:34 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 09:32 ghrur wrote:On August 19 2011 09:31 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 09:02 Kurumi wrote:
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See, I am like "ok guys if You're clever enough I won't troll!"
Then Mig fails his test.
Navillus.
Here's one for You!
If You answer this correctly, I won't troll this game.
You are in a room with three doors. The walls are sturdy and cold. You have full pack of dry lights. Scratching light against the pack will ignite it. How will You get out of here?
Door 1:
It has a very small window You can't see through, it's kind of foggy.
Door 2:
It has little opening in the lower bottom.
Door 3:
It's like one solid block. ooh ooh give me one!! There are 6 mafia in a town of thirty. Here is the discussion of the thirty people. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174Find all mafia. jackal, xfftc, poncho, foolishness, nard and palmar. that was easy, I wanted a hard one JeeJee I understand You like riddles, but could You say something about Navillus? He has the biggest posts in the thread and there are couple of them. I'd like to know what do You think about him. It does seem highly strange and suspicious that in a game full of lurkers, he's gone above and beyond to draw attention to himself... how so? It would be very easy for scum to abide by the "three post a day" criteria if they wanted to... I just don't think it would be that effective, because just based on the sheer number of new people, and the ratio of scum-to-townie, there are inevitably going to be a lot of townies in the lurker list, and wasting town KPs on them would only make it easier for the scum... What does this have to do with what I asked you? I asked you why you think navi's actions are highly strange and suspicious? And there shouldn't be "inevitably .. a lot of townies in the lurker list", why would there be? Are you going to lurk? And why did you call this game full of lurkers? Wtf this post just raised so many questions I said in my previous post how having us waste KPs on lurkers would further scum agenda, and thats why I think the actions seem suspicious, especially considering that we know there are a lot of new players here, and scum do too. New players generally have more a tendency to lurk, or become inactive, and thus, if we put together a lurker list, there WILL be a fairly large amount of people on it. This is especially true if they're townies or blues, as if they're mafia they will try their hardest to stay OFF that list... I think its NOT a good idea to just declare that everyone start killing off lurkers, unless there is actually a REASON to kill them, not just because they're lurking. Its a double-edged sword for sure, it does make the cultists come out and have to participate, which might reveal them, but it also runs the risk of killing a lot of townies... If we want to put together a lurker list, by all means do it, I just hope we exercise a little bit of restraint and use the kills given good reasons, since we don't want to make this EASIER for the mafia On August 20 2011 01:40 RayzorFlash wrote:Your post seemed like obvious scum to me, the scummiest post so far, and I will most likely be away for the rest of the day so I put in a vote against you... I'll check back later and see if I have to change it, but I doubt if I will :p On August 20 2011 13:32 RayzorFlash wrote:
I'm sticking with my vote on Sevryn unless something ridiculously obvious jumps out in the next 24 hours... I think by far that he has had the scummiest behaviour, both in terms of the vote, and then the defensive roll-back after he was called out on it...
I'm hesitant on Palmar just because he's been creating a far from ideal first Day in here... He contributed the main talking point sure, but his argument for that talking point was very weak... However, Dropbear has definitely acted a bit suspicious and got overly defensive, and the mayor idea seems scummy because he recommended himself for it right off the bat...
Those 3 seem like the major suspects this first day... I think (at least) ONE of Palmar or DropBear is definitely a scum, and if we start nearing a majority on either of them I will switch my vote from Sevryn and get him at a later date... I am most definitely voting for one of those 3 though On August 21 2011 04:55 RayzorFlash wrote:Supersoft, you seem to be trying wayyyy too hard to get Sevryn not lynched... Since the start you've tried putting up 3-4 different reasons to direct the vote away from Sevryn, first with a weak defense, then when called out on the defense being wishywashy, you quickly backtracked on it and said that you were just pointing out how anyone could have done that, and immediately started pressuring Xtfftc. While Xtfftc has definitely acted suspiciously, I see it as more suspicious that you (and Palmar, to a degree) were the two who along with Sevryn caused the pressure-vote issue at the start of the game anyway, and that you (and Palmar, to a degree  ) are working so hard to get attention away from Sevryn and on to other people. At this point, I would expect scum to just leave Sev to defend himself since they wouldnt want to get caught defending him, and try to either set-up a subsequent lynch away from them, or try to redirect attention away from him entirely. Town right now loses NOTHING by lynching Sev. If he flips red, we immediately know who to go after next, i.e. the people defending him, or the people trying to get someone else lynched first. If he flips green, we can target the ones who have most aggressively tried to get him lynched. Its a win-win situation.
Then, take a look at this:
+ Show Spoiler + On August 21 2011 06:02 RayzorFlash wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 05:13 Sevryn wrote:Rayzorflash im calling you out. Most of his posts before I become the lynch target are speculation on what mafia would or would not want and i view this is as slightly scummy. Then he ninja votes on me and when called out On August 20 2011 01:40 RayzorFlash wrote:On August 20 2011 01:07 Sevryn wrote:
Nice stealth vote ray Your post seemed like obvious scum to me, the scummiest post so far, and I will most likely be away for the rest of the day so I put in a vote against you... I'll check back later and see if I have to change it, but I doubt if I will :p My stealth vote for you was what an actual pressure vote looks like. All of a sudden, the pressure on you made you get all defensive and even pull your vote off DropBear. I'd say it was quite successful in exposing scummy behavior.Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 05:13 Sevryn wrote:
Yes you do lose something you lose a townie when i flip green and going after the people who most aggressively tried to get me lynched is all WIFOM.
We lose a townie who has, for the entire first day contributed absolutely nothing towards discussion except a really scummy first accusation, and since then has just focused on defending himself? I don't think that's losing too much. (OOC: What does WIFOM mean??) Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 05:37 xtfftc wrote:
To be fair, I sort of agree with this. Kudos to Rayzor for pointing out supersoft's witchhunt but this statement was ridiculous. Mafia is unlikely to go so aggressively against a townie and by encouraging us to go after Sevryn's most vicious accusers in case he is innocent, he might secure another town lynch. Especially considering that Sevryn did get himself into a mess of his own... It's not like someone fabricated it all.
So, in case Sevryn turns out to be a townie after the lynch, Rayzor is a good lead, and if Sevryn is indeed mafia, Rayzor is probably clean.
Sure, I'll gladly take the fall if Sev proves to be green, but I don't think there was anything scummy at all about my post. I think it would be good leads to go after anyone aggressively pushing for Sev if he's green, and I know i'm included in that list :S.
Since day 1, Rayzorflash has gone under the radar. I didn't think much about this post until now, when I remembered Mig made a remark about Rayzor:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 21 2011 10:34 Mig wrote:
Meh did you guys see the post foolish quoted? This is rayzor's first ever game if he were mafia would he really put himself out there like that if he knew sevryn was green? Seems to be the opposite of how most new mafia players would play.
I am going to stick with sevryn.
Now, look at both of these posts together, and look at the parts I've highlighted in red.
My questions:
How does Rayzor know what a "real pressure vote" is, but not know what WIFOM means? He's showing knowledge of the game while simultaneously showing ignorance. It's like he's feigning ignorance, or just trying too hard. Both suggest he's probably mafia, and the simultaneity suggests he's being coached. If he was genuinely interested in contributing he could've googled WIFOM, he would've hit mafia wiki as the first hit.
He's fine with losing a townie who's contributed nothing day 1? Does anyone contribute significantly day 1?
He's fine with being on the hitlist when Sevryn flips green? This struck me as suspicious. If he's coached, he'll be led into doing things that confuse the town; things that we would not expect a new player to do. Clearly it's not expected for a new player, playing as scum, to put himself on the line.
This is where Mig comes in. Look at Mig's post: he points out exactly this. MIG IS A GOOD PLAYER. He wanted us to believe that, because Rayzor is a new player, it would be incredibly strange for him to say such things as mafia, and to therefore ignore him. Rayzor the next day, of course, went under the radar despite saying that he was willing to be on the chopping block for Sevryn's lynch.
BUT THEN, what if Mig is coaching Rayzor? Then, to me, it makes sense: Mig wants Rayzor to push a town image and say things "mafia would never say," particularly a NEW mafia player. And of course, none of us can deny that Mig is certainly capable of coaching Rayzor.
Now, Jackal dies. Mig has asked us, who would kill Jackal? The last person we'd expect to pin the blame on is Mig. Mig wants us to believe this. He's playing us, like he's played us for two days. He and Rayzor are scum.
Mig killed Jackal.
This is my opinion. Take of it what you want.
I already voted Mig. I am pushing for his lynch today.
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On August 25 2011 18:25 Palmar wrote:
GG everyone, I wanna apologize for two things.
a) Most importantly, anything I say within the game should be considered "role-playing". If anyone takes it personally, then I'm deeply sorry, I got a bit frustrated there for a while because I'm super-competitive. So yeah, sorry about my attitude. I'm available to talk things over if anyone feels mistreated.
b) Sorry for my terrible play this game. This is the worst game I've played as town since my first 3 games where I was learning.
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Go get them town!
Good luck, see you next game.
<3
After this game let's talk :D I wanna hear your opinions ahaha
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On August 25 2011 19:21 Mig wrote:
Oh btw once again you have completely avoided answering my questions about foolishness' plan. Wtf?
Do you think mafia tried to divert the day2 lynch or not. If so how did they do and who did it.
I'm not avoiding anything.
The answer is both yes and no. I think mafia diverted attention away from you, but not all on one target (that'd be too suspicious.) Primarily I think some went to xt and hiro, AFTER townies had established scum reads on them. Once it was between you and hiro, the mafia didn't have to do anything because our bad town play basically doomed us to lynching hiro. Hiro made a bunch of mistakes and fake claimed, and just in general seemed scummy. We lynched him based on that and that lynch was a real good opportunity for mafia to blend in. Granted, I also believe that some of you stuck out, but that's only in hindsight.
Right now I have decent scumreads on 3 people; the strongest being you and Rayzor, and then the third being Brownbear. I'm not super concerned with the last 3 yet, but I have an idea of where to look, and I know we'll receive more information soon. Vain is a likely fourth to me. I think Brownbear is suspicious because he diverted attention from you at a critical juncture. xt had 4 or 5 votes when he voted for him, and you had something like 6. After that point, hiro began appearing scummy and IMO the mafia really didn't need to do anything to protect you.
Also, earlier today I was really convinced supersoft and Palmar were scumbuddies, and I'm slightly suspicious still of supersoft, but after the night actions came in I'm significantly less so. It just seemed like they were attempting a voteswitch with how they acted at the end of day 2, and hiro certainly appeared to me as scum. The order of events just seemed weird at the time, but in hindsight that seems too obvious for scum to out themselves like that by attempting such a blatant vote switch. Of course, hindsight is 20/20. Although I'm rather upset that Palmar was town and I was reading scum on him, I'm glad that mafia targetted him rather than someone else, otherwise I'd probably have stuck my vote on supersoft because of my gut. Right now I'm trying to base my vote as much as possible on objective evidence.
I'm going to try and take a small break today. I've posted my analysis of Mig and I encourage you all to read it. I feel like over the past day or so my opinions have swung back and forth a lot (and this may be due to my newness) and I don't want to see any more mislynches. This time, though, I feel like we have a very strong candidate for scum.
Anyway, I'm off to bed (it's almost 4 am here). Just thought I'd drop in to see if there were any responses before I headed off.
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On August 25 2011 20:54 Mig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Although I'm rather upset that Palmar was town and I was reading scum on him, I'm glad that mafia targetted him rather than someone else Possible scum slip if there is a scum vigilante? Kurumi claimed the palmar kill. 4 people died last night why would you think mafia shot palmar WBG?
I forgot about kurumi. No scum slip.
Although I'm not certain of kurumi's alignment. I lean town, but there isn't enough info to make a conclusion there.
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Yay lots of good analysis
I'm a bit bummed that no one responded to my massive post on Mig though haha. The conclusion might seem a little...far fetched, but I think there is a link between Mig and Rayzor.
The problem we have right now, I guess, is that we need to pick between lynching a lurker and lynching someone who has been more active. I will stand by my vote for Mig, and as I said earlier I am pushing for his lynch today. Upon reading some of these arguments, I can tell, however, that there is still some lingering doubt on Mig.
Can we discuss why some of this doubt exists?
Anyway, some of my opinions on the names that have been thrown around today. In red are the players I have the strongest scum reads on. In green, town reads. Black is either way, or not enough information.
Trotske/iGrok: + Show Spoiler +Trotske seemed scummy to me. I made an analysis of him a day or two ago; I suggest that you all read it (again.) However, I think we shouldn't be pushing for a lynch of iGrok because he's barely been here and we need more information before we can label him as scum.
xtfftc:+ Show Spoiler + I lean toward town on xt, but not as strongly as other players. I think xt needs some more investigation. Again, another person I think we should keep around, see if he contributes, see what information we can gain over the next day.
nard: + Show Spoiler +he hasn't posted enough. It's certainly possible that he's lurking scum. I usually excused his lack of posting when I was on because he's from Germany (right?) so the time difference seemed to explain a lot to me. However, even after I come back from a break he still hasn't posted, so that's rather strange to me. I don't recall nard once contributing to the town effort. Certainly a good lurker lynch candidate, in my opinion, but, again, we need to determine whether we will lynch a lurker today or lynch someone like Mig.
Lucidity: + Show Spoiler +I have a fairly strong town read on Lucidity. The manner in which he argued with supersoft after the hiro lynch, and the way he has written his larger posts, suggests to me that he is town. I don't think a mafia member would be so bold in such few posts. Since my job is to find scum and not confirm townies, I will not be wasting my time on Lucidity unless there is good analysis presented by other players to suggest a scum alignment.
Brownbear: + Show Spoiler +I think he's scum. Right now, he's conveniently disappeared following Foolish's accusations. It's been 22 hours since he said he'd come up with a rebuttal, (that would "have to wait till morning") but no rebuttal has been seen. Brownbear is trying to fly under the radar, IMO. We should make him a priority lynch target along with Mig, and then lynch one of them. By making Brownbear a priority, we can glean some good information about the alignments of the rest of the mafia we suspect. In addition, if we use two strong scum candidates such as Mig and Brownbear, there is no choice left for mafia but to bus one of their own.
It's possible we almost achieved that situation yesterday, but bad town play coupled with some sneaky mafia resulted in another town lynch.
Rayzorflash: + Show Spoiler +I already posted analysis on this guy and the connection I perceive between him and Mig. Click me
Mig + Show Spoiler +Likewise, I already posted analysis on Mig and the connection I perceive between him and Rayzor. IMO, our best candidate today. Click me
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One thing I might add, that I just remembered..
No corrupted liquidians have flipped. Therefore, it is certainly possible that there are 6 mafia PLUS 1-2 traitors who are going to fuck up our reads.
That means that our lynch today is very important. If we lynch town today, I'm fairly certain we will lose if there is even one traitor.
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On August 26 2011 10:21 Varpulis wrote:
No way there's more than 1 traitor, from a balance perspective.
Let's assume there is one, and work that way?
We need to work with our worst case scenarios. Assume there's no blues, and that there is a traitor.
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Mig is mafia, he killed jackal, end of story.
Rofl @ me not wanting to vote switch to chaos. I even said that you flipping red, Mig, has no bearing on chaos's alignment. He could still be red, and I provided clear reasons for that.
I'm not for switching votes because you're scum! Not too hard to figure that one out.
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On August 27 2011 01:44 supersoft wrote:
by the way, I am not going to lynch BB instead of mig. sorry, I think mig is the safer bet there.
Actually I thought about it and I have to say I am lynching noone instead of mig today.
We discussed this lynch pretty decently. And if we try to find new target now just because he claimed to be tracker, it will end in a mess.
You know, what would you do if you're accused like mig and GM offers you a fakerole...
Of course he's a tracker. This is the most valuable role we got except for vigilantes... I don't believe him and his claim... it doesn't change anything, this specific role casts even more suspicion over him :-[
I agree strongly with this.
We kill Mig.
On August 27 2011 01:45 GMarshal wrote:
Bumatlarge replaces BrownBear
Wtf? Did he request replacement?
This replacement can really mess with our leads on BB. I say we lay off bumatlarge for a day or two; lynch Mig and then follow our other scum leads.
However, I do think that we should put an extra layer on scrutiny on him because of how we all perceived BB before the replacement.
On August 27 2011 00:30 Foolishness wrote:
We can always just kill BrownBear and settle this Mig thing tomorrow. My case against BrownBear still stands as he hasn't even posted yet today, and he's only got 11 hours before day ends.
I do believe that Mig is lying, but part of me feels that we should just take the safest option here. If he's indeed the tracker, it will force the mafia to roleblock him (or they risk him finding a mafia so once he does die we will know who to lynch). Of course we will make him check whoever we want (Pyo). I also do not believe chaos13 to be mafia.
And Mig you never commented about my lurker list.
I disagree with your assessment of who we should lynch because of the Brownbear replacement. I know it came after your post, but even if BB wasn't replaced I would still prefer an Mig lynch.
The safest option to me is lynching the fuck out of scumig.
On August 26 2011 22:43 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 19:32 xtfftc wrote:This is a response to Curu's ealier post, spoilered because discussing Mig's claim is priority at the moment. + Show Spoiler +Oh, wow. Curu and Supersoft appear simultaneously 36 hours before the deadline and announce that I have refused to vote for Mig, although there are 15 others who haven't at the time. Wow. Okay, here goes. Curu, I addressed my early policy posts already: I wasn't advocating lurking; I was advocating against lynching lurkers. Please read my responses to the previous cases build against me before re-posting the same accusations. If you have anything to say about me responses, great - but completely ignoring the responces reveals that you didn't build a proper case. Then in the VERY SAME POST, he tells Foolishness to consider that Palmar is scum. When called out by Foolishness, he is very adamant in pointing out he did not accuse Foolishness of being Mafia and drops the topic completely rather than trying to argue his point (which was a giant contradiction anyways). I didn't say Palmar was mafia; I said that Foolishness shouldn't rule out the possibility simply because of meta arguments - so there was no other point to argue for. This was also the time when I was trying to motivate Palmar to get his act straight instead of disorganising town. There is no contradiction in my actions. I really don’t understand what is going on in here at all. Okay, I will explain it to you then. I wasn't arguing that Palmar was mafia; I wanted to motivate Palmar to be more constructive because I thought - and still do - that he had a good lead against BrownBear. A townie voting for him is can serve as a wake-up call. And soon after Palmar posted a well-written and rather convincing case. Similarly, DropBear was mentioned because his mayor campaign was rather stupid and I was hoping to incite him to get his act together. My concern was obviously justified as his DT claim on Day 2 was even worse than what he did on Day 1. Out of the three, BrownBear was the only one I was actually suspicious of. When I asked him to tell me right then and there what he felt about Sevyrn, he said Mafia. The thing is, if he was already so sure in his mind that Sevyrn was Mafia, why was his vote not there? No, when you asked me, I said I'd like to spend time analysing and wanted to wait for Sevyrn to defend himself before taking a stance on his alignment. When you pushed me to give you an immediate answer, I said that I think him to be mafia. How convenient of you to forget my initial reply. Will gladly answer questions but won’t offer them unprompted by himself. I had to spend a lot of time defending myself and couldn't provide enough analysis - but I started doing it as soon as things around me quieted down a bit. I posted a few things I think were overlooked by others and I also said that I am willing to answer all questions. Obviously, there is a limit to how much I can read and post. He was very ready and willing to put his vote into Mig when he has never played with Mig before. This is what I said about Mig: Sure.
I'm still just as suspicious of Rayzor as I saw two days ago. His defense ("would a mafia say this?") did not convince me because he was in a position when he had to say something like this. However, just like to days ago, I think that he is someone who should be pressured to talk more until he makes another mistake or we are convinced he is town. Even if he is mafia, he is not particularly dangerous at the moment because he can not influence the town at the moment.
This is why at the moment I'd go for Mig. Although he improved after his early post about Sevryn, he did not provide anything substantial. Also, although a lot of people casted their vote for Sevryn and then went to bed, Mig did it in in the middle tha attempted switch to Rayzor. I would like you to point me to the post where I was " very ready and willing to put" my vote into Mig - or to declare that you made a mistake in your analysis. As a side-note, I still maintain the same position on Rayzor. He has gone into lurking/afk mode, which doesn't help his cause. Quick to claim credit in case Rayzor flipped Mafia. Context, please. I said this after being asked by Supersoft (who was supposedly providing deep analysis of my posts) about my opinion on Rayzor - although I had already posted about Rayzor earlier. He calls Hiro a 100% confirmed Townie (I think under the assumption that Hiro’s self vote would show he is a Townie, but then why not try to convince people not to lynch Hiro?), Okay, really? Hiro says that he is willing to vote for himself even though he is town. Therefore, Hiro knows that he is 100% town - hence my question. I didn't say that I thought he was 100% town, I said that if he is town, he knows it and shouldn't vote for himself no matter what. If both were to be scum though, I don't understand xtfftc avoiding Mig's wagon like the plague today, a red Mig flip would relieve a lot of pressure on him. A lot of people are lurking much more than me, yet if I don't jump on the wagon immediately, I am apparently avoiding it. You could have at least given me the time to join it or avoid it. Not even a single mention of lynching Mig, instead actually chainsawing Mig’s attackers. Kurumi was after Supersoft; you are just making up stuff again. Who did I "chainsaw" apart from him? The only thing I can't see is both of them being Town since votes probably would've consolidated on one of them in that case, there was no need for scum to try to oppose either one. I don't see the logic behind this. It's not like there were 20 votes for us, there were less than 10 combined. On August 26 2011 07:22 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 07:14 Curu wrote:
And I don't agree with that assumption supersoft, a Town Mig is not a hot kill target because:
1) He's suspected
2) If Mig were to die and flip Town xtfftc would very likely be turbolynched
There are many reasonable explanations for why Mig, if he is Town, was untouched by Mafia. I don't think that should be used as any indication. hmm you're right. However at least I think it's strange that absolutely no scum voted him. (assuming that I am correct with my judgements over these people) As for xtfftc who refuses to vote for mig and prefers to go for kurumi; I think it might be possible that he underestimates the case against him. Therefor he tries to establish another target with a huge post to peel of votes from mig. At the point of time when he accused kurumi, I already posted that kurumi might be scum because of the possibility of a acum vigilante. So he wasn't completely alone with that. How dare I post an analysis on a suspicious player 44 hours before the deadline... And apparently I have refused to vote for Mig. Extremely suspicious indeed. Not at all like voting for Rayzor and changing your vote for Mig an hour and four posts later with this as reasoning: Since noone is up for a Rayzorflashlynch, I vote for mig. Who knows if we find a majority for him tomorrow. "Oh, wow. Curu and Supersoft appear simultaneously 36 hours before the deadline and announce that I have refused to vote for Mig, although there are 15 others who haven't at the time. Wow." There are exactly 7 people that refused to vote for rayzorflahs at day1 and also didn't vote either you or mig at day2 You are one of them. I have been suspicious of most of them earlier and with different reasons. Kurumi is not one of them. You accused him, that strengthens my concerns. Until I am proven wrong by mig, rayzor or you flipping green, I continue to push this. Your vote on mig at this point of time doesn't change anything. You know I have something good against you there. That's the reason, why you're talking to me again. Thank you.
It's hard for me to tell whether xtfftc is appearing scummy or if he's just defending himself.
To me, I think I have to disagree with you here, supersoft. It's very well possible that xt is talking to you simply to defend himself. He's been attacked by quite a few of us, and the way he has defended most of the accusations suggests to me that he's town.
The reason I'm unsure about him, though, is precisely because so many of us have accused him. It's hard to quantify, but I think we should keep xt in mind but not lynch him until we have no better scum target. Since we have Mig and Rayzor still alive, let's give xt a chance to contribute. We can lynch Mig, and then our focus will reshift.
Also, I'm not sure what kind of connection Mig's alignment will have with xt's, if any. I felt like they might both be mafia because of the way the voting worked yesterday; after hiro made a mistake it's certainly possible that the mafia saw an opportunity to capitalize, if both Mig and xt are scum. The vote switch to hiro would then not appear scummy because hiro's mistakes made everyone suspect him.
So, to reiterate, if we were in the optimal situation of lynching two mafia yesterday before the hiro happenstance, then Mig's red alignment probably suggests xt is red as well. We need to figure out whether we were in that situation, and I think we can figure that out by looking at the vote patterns.
On August 27 2011 02:02 Curu wrote:
Also hi scumatlarge.
I loled.
On August 27 2011 00:43 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 00:30 Foolishness wrote:
We can always just kill BrownBear and settle this Mig thing tomorrow. My case against BrownBear still stands as he hasn't even posted yet today, and he's only got 11 hours before day ends.
I do believe that Mig is lying, but part of me feels that we should just take the safest option here. If he's indeed the tracker, it will force the mafia to roleblock him (or they risk him finding a mafia so once he does die we will know who to lynch). Of course we will make him check whoever we want (Pyo). I also do not believe chaos13 to be mafia.
And Mig you never commented about my lurker list. I agree with you to take the safest option, but i'd prefer rayzorflash for that job.
Kill Mig first, then we can deal with Rayzor.
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On August 27 2011 02:47 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 02:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 27 2011 01:45 GMarshal wrote:
Bumatlarge replaces BrownBear Wtf? Did he request replacement? Apparently Irene is really screwing with his travel plans and he would be MIA for the next 72+ hours, so he requested replacement. Bumatlarge took me up on it. BrownBear apologizes profusely for the inconvenience
Ah, thanks.
Irene, you bitch.
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WTF ARE THESE DOUBTS?
I'm heading home right now from class, so I'll keep this short. We NEED to lynch Mig today. Any other lynch target is NOT optimal. Don't second guess yourselves; we did this days one and two and then got screwed by our own mistakes. If we decide to lynch BB/bum we get no information, bum hasn't even posted anything yet.
When I get home I'll be making a post that provides my thoughts on the history of the votes. I was looking at it this morning but I didn't have time to formulate my opinion.
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On August 27 2011 07:44 supersoft wrote:
Brownbear is innocent by the way. Doesn't matter what mig flips.
o_O
I need to hear this lol...I had a pretty scummy read on him.
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