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Inquisitor (Detective) - sent by the ordo malleus, you are a specialist in sniffing out the forces of darkness and then consecrating them to the holy flame. Every night you may investigate someone, finding out their alignment, either guilty or innocent. You are not necessarily the most stable individual, due to the horrors you have been exposed to your perception of reality may have been wrapped, you can be either sane, insane, paranoid or naive.
... okay i have to correct myself:
On August 23 2011 22:02 supersoft wrote:what the fuck, will you please think over that for a second? Whats a claimed DT check worth in a game with framers and Millers? There are like 4 possibilities: I am red and he's a DT I am green and he's red I am Miller and he's DT I am green and framed and he's DT If you hang me and i flip green you won't even have any informations about DB. Read over nards and xtfftcs posts. They are both scum.
there are more than 4 possibilitys. He could be insane and every check returns guilty.
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the logic isn't weird at all. Guys just look at the facts. This claim was completely useless. There is no difference between checking me or mig or anyone. The result of one check doesn't tell you much about your real role:
sane = normal DT
insane = always the opposite
paranoid = always red
naive = always green
he is not naive, so there is 1/3 of a chance, that I am scum if not miller/framed; 1/3 chance that I am town if not scum or miller and last but not least he may be paranoid and everything he says is worthless.
Now let's get back to what we did before the claim. If DB really is a DT we have to wait another night and compare the results.
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On August 23 2011 23:24 Erandorr wrote:
Oh I got another idea. Could DB be a traitor?
traitor would also make sense because a 1n1 trade traitor against townie is okay.
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On August 23 2011 23:27 supersoft wrote:
sane = normal DT
insane = always the opposite
paranoid = always red
naive = always green
is that correct?
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On August 23 2011 23:42 Palmar wrote:
Well to better understand it, what happens if Supersoft flips green?
Do we lynch DropBear?
if you lynch me based on that check it would be just stupid. As I pointed out, even if DB is a DT, the check doesn't give us anything. it's a null-tell.
If you kill me, because you are all superdumb and don't see how the sane/insane/paranoid DT system works and i flip green or miller or even red you won't know anything about DB. You won't even know DB DT-class because of the possible framing and the possibility that he's paranoid.
Maybe if I was red, you would know that he probably isn't red... Since I am green you won't even know that...
Same thing if we lynch DB. Because of the possibility that I am framed or Miller, you won't know for sure what I am.
long story short: The check is useless and doesn't give us any information about me and DB, even if you kill one of us.
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If DB doesn't post his flavor text before GM answers my greenbolded question, he's in a lot of trouble.
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oh man, you got it all wrong... I defended mig, yes, because I am not sure about him, so why should I lie to you and say "oh yeah guys you think he's scum - okay i trust you" wtf.
I didn't say he's town for sure, I just said that I think we have better targets.
I also defended foolishness after he got attacked for his hit/rb-claim and severyn.
Filter me and you will see that I am telling the truth. I was the one who encouraged severyn to contribute.
and WTF in a game with millers and framers and sane/insane/paranoid/naive-DTs you claim DT as a MEDIC WTF?
do your homework next time!
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On August 24 2011 00:41 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 00:38 Vain wrote:On August 24 2011 00:31 DropBear wrote:On August 24 2011 00:27 Mig wrote:
Why would you ever do this as medic DB why? Were you trying to get the mafia to shoot you? Chaoser did it to draw shots because he was a vet.
Jesus Yeah well you know from RTM that my judgement isn't always best T_T Sorry for being a retard but we need to get back to business. RayzorFlash and xtfftc? Yeah, but why was the mindset of this? get supersoft lynched? get mig lynched? get yourself lynched? I'm just confused why you thought it was a good idea to claim, please elaborate because you could have just made a case against supersoft without being night target Number one I was suss as hell on supersoft, he kept defending Mig, Foolishness was voting Mig, I know Foolishness was a good guy, people were starting to unvote Mig, Mig was starting to push me and not many people were disputing it. I was getting pressure for my dodgy claim and I fold under pressure lol. I'm done discussing this, I fucked things up enough already. Sorry everyone. Let's get back to business people.
ah i don't buy the whole story:
to summarize your story:
You think foolishness is town. He accuses mig therefor mig must be scum. I push for a different target than mig, therefor i must be scum, too?!
why didn't you wait until tomorrow to accuse me? if xtfftc would have been lynched and flipped red, you would probably know that I am innocent despite defending mig.
If my target flips green - okay I understand if you build a case against me then... And if mig dies and flips red, I'd understand it, too.
But you don't know anything! Your whole theory bases on Foolishness being town. But guess what, even a townie can be wrong! Trusting that he's town doesn't mean you have to trust his decisions!
i don't know...
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On August 24 2011 01:09 DropBear wrote:
Cos I'm an idiot. Can we drop it please. Forget it happened. Stop the derailment. Mafia will be laughin their arse off right now.
Get back to scumhunting. RayzorFlash you have disappeared.
##Vote RayzorFlash
we already discussed why xtfftc is a better target than rayzor. never mind...
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On August 24 2011 03:40 Varpulis wrote:
ebwop: DT checks him, if he's red, we trade 1 for 1 and have done with it.
our DT checks are worthless until we find out whether they're sane or not.
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On August 24 2011 04:12 xtfftc wrote:Does anyone have any observations on Chaos13? This morning I was suspicious of him but after he questioned DropBear's claim I am more inclined to believe that he is town. At the beginning of Day 1 he wrote passionately about town organisation and how a no-lynch is a tragedy and that it's Palmar's fault for leading town into this. + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2011 10:14 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 03:44 DropBear wrote:
I am trying to get things moving, get discussion started. The posts I quoted here are prime example s of why this needs to be done, noone is doing ANYTHING. In no way am I suggesting that they are Mafia, nor was it implied when I quoted them to you.
What do you mean by honesty? I didn't say anything that could potentially have been a lie? I asked questions and made suggestions, they aren't truthful or not. This makes no sense???
I don't understand your problem with me Palmar. If you are so quick to make up your mind off one post, an introduction to the game, then I sure as hell hope GMarshal didn't give you a gun.
The bolded is probably the scummiest thing about DB at the moment. You say that as if Palmar is confirmed town "I hope you didn't land vigi..." Any explanation for this? People keep complaining that the thread is disorganized and nothing proper is getting done. Who started all that? Palmar. Palmar as town is The Brother Leader and Guide of Town. I see absolutely none of that here. So far all he has done is cause mayhem and spam and disorganization and a generally very unhelpful pro-mafia atmosphere. In other words, that stops right fucking now. WE NEED TO BE ORGANIZED FOR THIS GAME TO WORK No lynches are very possible if we keep dicking around the way we have been, and no-lynches gain mafia a free night kill. So here's the deal. If you're going to vote someone, you explain why. Clearly. If you're going to accuse someone of being scum, you explain why you think they are mafia. Clearly. Any other behavior is anti-town and leads to spam and confusion. Let's cut out the spam, cut out the votes without explanation, cut out the troll posts, and cut out the one-liner arguments. My vote goes on the player who led town right into this shitstorm. ##Vote: Palmar Later, he basically repeated what he had already said. "We're gonna derp ourselves into a useless no-lynch today if this keeps up." This comes at the point when there are seven votes on Sevryn. + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2011 23:38 chaos13 wrote:
We're gonna derp ourselves into a useless no-lynch today if this keeps up. This thread is a mess. I'm not sure on who thinks what of who any more because things are so muddled up with accusations everywhere and a complete lack of clarity in communication.
Again, who started this? Palmar. When Sevryn confronted him that by voting Palmar he is directly helping the lynch of someone he believed was town, Chaos13 said: Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 09:31 chaos13 wrote:On August 21 2011 09:25 Sevryn wrote:
all your doing is abstaining if you think im not scum then you need to vote for a viable lynch target other wise your just not voting and thats scummy.
palmar I should have played better dont blame yourself I'm voting for the person I think is scum. I fail to see how that is scummy. Only to change his decision an hour later with: Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 10:29 chaos13 wrote:
Whatever. Sevryn is probably town and I don't want to see him lynched so He switched to Rayzor at the moment when everyone awake had to do it in order to remain unsuspicous and it was also clear that there would be a lynch no matter what. In case Rayzor is town, both lynchings are okay for mafia, so they lose nothing. Overall, hardly said anything useful all day long, yet he kept on going about how town is not organised and others aren't contributing.Also, I'm not happy with this bit: Show nested quote +His defense (Mig's), just like chaoser's original accusation, feels false to me. I'm really not seeing anything genuine here. Mig as a player has a tendency to become very involved in the game, actively scumhunting, leading people, and basically taking control. This is such a passive defense, and is weak for such a strong player. I don't see much substance to it. This isn't an accusation of Mig, I just want to see if anyone else felt the same way about this post as I did. He goes on and on about how the other players bring nothing to the table and to do this he writes a whole paragraph that can be reduced to half a sentence. P.S. A reply to Curu's post from earlier today: + Show Spoiler +On August 23 2011 20:42 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 18:30 xtfftc wrote:Wall of text incoming: On August 23 2011 11:37 Curu wrote:
xtffc's "two town kills" slip definitely needs to be looked at, and I don't buy his defense. He describes town kills as kills that the Town makes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with modkills. Town does not control modkills, sick slip????? Of course townkills have nothing to do with modkills. Townkills are made by town, modkills by mods. What is the problem? You posted about "we need to get two town kills." That's taken to mean killing two townies - you tried to explain it away by saying town kills are kills controlled by the town = lynch and modkill. I pointed out modkill is not controlled by the Town, you agree with me. So...what did you mean by town kill? I see now. The town already wanted to kill Sevryn when Wherebugsgo suggested that he is likely to be modkilled. So even though he would have technically been killed by a mod, it was going to be what the majority wanted.
You said you were suspicious of him this morning? Why didn't you share write it down in the thread then? This defense comes out of the nowhere.
There are two possibilities. Either you are scum and you want to protect your scumbuddy. Or you are scum, you know you will die tonight, so you defend someone, because you want us to believe he's scum, too. after you flip red.
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On August 24 2011 04:23 xtfftc wrote:To be fair, I was online all day but there were like five new posts every time I refreshed and I felt that there was enough spam without my help. At one point I thought that DropBear was DT but had suddenly realised that he might be insane or paranoid. Hence he wanted to lynch the person he checked on Night 1 to find out whether he is sane or not before picking up a target for Night 2. But then he came back to confess.
share your thought about nard and kurumi please.
I asked you about these guys like 10 times and you never answered. You don't have to be upset because I vote for you. It's nothing personal, I just think that you are scum.
You never ever accuse anyone in here, just like nard, you just keep summarizing what happens...
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okay since there are some votes for a majority missing, I decided to write a little postinghistory of our dear friend xtfftc
On August 20 2011 05:09 xtfftc wrote:
##Vote: Palmar
He obviously had something in mind and there's no way he wasn't aware of how his accusations would be perceived by the rest of us.
However, his strategy hasn't benefited town by now. He has until the deadline to convince me to vote DropBear or BrownBear. If nothing meaningful comes out of the discussion initiated by him, I'd rather have one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around.
I'd also like to point out that it shouldn't be that difficult to convince me to switch to DropBear, considering DropBear's behaviour.
i prefer a townie arbitrary throwing accusations over a dead one.
On August 21 2011 02:54 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 02:31 Curu wrote:
Hi xtffffffffffffc, what's your opinion on Sevyrn? If I don't answer QuickSilver, people will claim that I have nothing to say in my defense.
I am still waiting for this one. You have a tendency to ignore accusations towards you. No bad strategy... if you're scum! Because you don't have to share any informations.
On August 21 2011 03:24 xtfftc wrote:
By the way, I have to apologise to supersoft - I just noticed that I didn't post in the voting thread, which was probably the reason he put me on his list (although it's still kind of sloppy).
So I'm going to vote after Sevryn defends himself. Palmar, DropBear and BrownBear are a story that has to develop further.
Why don't you just vote him until he convincingly defends himself? You knew he was town - scum knows best - so you waited a little bit...
I want to add, in a majoritylynchsystem it's actually bad to hold back your vote. Because the earlier there is a majority, the earlier the real pressure builds on the lynchtargets and they share their information and they start to defend themselves...
That's the problem with your lynch. You're just ignoring it. If there was a majority you couldn't ignore it that easy.... anyway...
On August 21 2011 04:42 xtfftc wrote:
My gut says supersoft and QuickSilver but my gut is biased and wants those who go after me dead ^^ Although Supersoft being so cautious when defending Sevryn and yet so aggressive against me and his earlier bandwagonning is something worth remembering.
I want to hear more from DropBear and BlackBear. I do not find DropBear particularly suspicious but he still has to answer the questions raised. BlackBear is suspicious (going too agressively against inactive players, some random accusations) and, unlike DropBear, is a target we might get a majority for.
Hiro, judging by the OP I think we have about 6 hours left.
accusing Quicksilver the vig, that built a reasonable case against you.
And you also attack DB slightly but very careful. You don't really care, your vote will remain on severyn the VT anyway.
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okay well I wanted to comment more, but seriously, filter this guy... he is so scummy...
He doesn't answer questions he doesn't like and he summarizes the action... He doesn't accuse anyone and he defends chaos13. Also a really scummy fellow in my eyes...
go vote him already.
On August 24 2011 04:42 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:28 supersoft wrote:On August 24 2011 04:23 xtfftc wrote:On August 24 2011 04:13 Curu wrote:
Oh there's xtfftc. Ninja'd. To be fair, I was online all day but there were like five new posts every time I refreshed and I felt that there was enough spam without my help. At one point I thought that DropBear was DT but had suddenly realised that he might be insane or paranoid. Hence he wanted to lynch the person he checked on Night 1 to find out whether he is sane or not before picking up a target for Night 2. But then he came back to confess. share your thought about nard and kurumi please. I asked you about these guys like 10 times and you never answered. You don't have to be upset because I vote for you. It's nothing personal, I just think that you are scum. You never ever accuse anyone in here, just like nard, you just keep summarizing what happens... I've taken no offense. As I already said, although I am happy to answer anyone else's questions, I find your obsession detrimental to town's play. I did answer a lot of your accusations in detail and I also answered QuickSilver, Wherebugsgo, and BrownBear's - and yet instead of commenting on what I said, you just come up with new questions. If you contribute with something, I'd be inclined to spend more time on you.
pffff
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On August 24 2011 05:02 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:59 Erandorr wrote:On August 24 2011 04:56 Foolishness wrote:
I would like to point out that Quicksilver7 was suspicious of hiro protagonist day 1. And that tells us what exactly? Mafia very frequently kill those who are suspicious of them day 1. Quicksilver made a solid post against him if I remember correctly. No, before someone chimes in about my first sentence, I'm not basing an accusation of him based off that. Nor am I using that as sufficient proof that hiro is mafia. I'm pointing out the facts.
he also accused xtfftc.
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i believe hero is innocent and mafia is superhappy because they save xtfftc today...
at least i am schocked how fast that hiro bandwagon started out of the nowhere...
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On August 24 2011 05:25 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:56 supersoft wrote:On August 21 2011 02:54 xtfftc wrote:On August 21 2011 02:31 Curu wrote:
Hi xtffffffffffffc, what's your opinion on Sevyrn? If I don't answer QuickSilver, people will claim that I have nothing to say in my defense. I am still waiting for this one. You have a tendency to ignore accusations towards you. No bad strategy... if you're scum! Because you don't have to share any informations. Yet again you prove that you don't actually bother reading carefully. I already answered to these. Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:56 supersoft wrote:On August 21 2011 03:24 xtfftc wrote:
By the way, I have to apologise to supersoft - I just noticed that I didn't post in the voting thread, which was probably the reason he put me on his list (although it's still kind of sloppy).
So I'm going to vote after Sevryn defends himself. Palmar, DropBear and BrownBear are a story that has to develop further. Why don't you just vote him until he convincingly defends himself? You knew he was town - scum knows best - so you waited a little bit... After I posted this "I'm going to vote after Sevryn defends himself", you read this as a proof that we were both mafia and I was trying to defend Sevryn. Now you claim that I knew he was town because I was mafia, yet I decided to attract additional attention to myself by not voting for him. Make up your mind already. Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:56 supersoft wrote:On August 21 2011 04:42 xtfftc wrote:
My gut says supersoft and QuickSilver but my gut is biased and wants those who go after me dead ^^ Although Supersoft being so cautious when defending Sevryn and yet so aggressive against me and his earlier bandwagonning is something worth remembering.
I want to hear more from DropBear and BlackBear. I do not find DropBear particularly suspicious but he still has to answer the questions raised. BlackBear is suspicious (going too agressively against inactive players, some random accusations) and, unlike DropBear, is a target we might get a majority for.
Hiro, judging by the OP I think we have about 6 hours left.
accusing Quicksilver the vig, that built a reasonable case against you. And you also attack DB slightly but very careful. You don't really care, your vote will remain on severyn the VT anyway. 1. I did not accuse QuickSilver. 2. It was Day 1; QuickSilver's role has absolutely no relevance whatsoever - and I already pointed this out to you last time I replied to it. Right after I wrote a post about what I found suspicious in Chaos13's behaviour and attempted to start a discussion about him... Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 05:11 RayzorFlash wrote:
Sorry guys, I've had computer issues since last night, and still do, lol...
I have no problem with lynching either Hiro or Xtfftc, so long as its not a no-lynch... Last time you posted about me you said there was no obvious tell that I was mafia. Care to explain why you changed your mind?
congratulation you successfully dodged my question about your opinion on kurumi and nard again.
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On August 24 2011 05:37 Kurumi wrote:
supersoft, maybe instead of asking xtfftc over and over again what he thinks about me and nard, maybe voice Your own opinion?
oh wait
You can't outsmart the bullet hammer
Your day1 and night1 play was different from how I know you from former games and you kept lurking large periods of time. day2 was more what I expected out of you, but I started asking him at about day1, so i still insist on his comment on you.
Nard on the other hand plays similar to xtfftc - if he does anything - he summarizes and accuses and defends people but only very quietly. He's most likely scum.
I just want to ask him out about people I find exceptionally scummy. The more people he comments on, the more information we get when he dies and flips red. If he's green he has nothing to hide.
Because of that it's very scummy if he just dodges these questions.
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And if you want to create a connection between me and hiro, go ahead. I am not afraid to share my thoughts. I might be wrong, if you want to lynch me for being wrong please do so. A pro-town atmosphere is different.
I just want to prevent another mislynch. You refused to listen to me at day1. I believe I was one of the few people that questioned sevs guilt right from the start. And I didn't do it to gain towncredit later on. I actually tried to prevent the lynch and I encouraged him to contribute. I am afraid that the same thing will happen again. 14 Votes needed for a majority. Mafia only needs to convince 8 people out of the remaining 21.
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yea well that was an answer to this
On August 24 2011 05:39 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 05:37 Vain wrote:On August 24 2011 05:05 Kurumi wrote:
Someone looked at Lucidity's posts? Besides claiming VT in first post, 1/2 of posts being "sorry for being afk" he has done nothing. He said he would get a replacement if he wasn't able to play, are we lacking people or what? I filtered him a while ago. He just wen't afk most of this day and put a shitty vote on severyn. Anywhays i don't think we should discuss him or any lurkers because we won't come any further. He's in my opinion a better vigi target than discuss all his, 6? posts that he has. By the way, i can't get over the feeling that hiro was pushing an agenda. It wasn't just the idea that was bad. The arguments were sloppy either. 50/50 chance its a mafia? good way to cover your ass when it turns out he was a detective. This is in my opinion way more convincing than lynching xtfftc, nard or mig. There's a link between hiro and supersoft too. I would like to remind You that vigilantes have one shot, so lurker shot might not be always the best option 
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 24 2011 10:08 nard wrote:here are my notes on hiro, will read up on Mig now. i have no idea what agenda hiro is pushing, except a way to obvious scummy one. Hiro: -tries to get a bandwagon for rayzor going, but does not pursue it on day2, saying there are better targets today but not naming em: Show nested quote +
also, I dont think Razor is a good lynch today, there are more important suspects to look at. Show nested quote +
1. Where did I say that I dont find him scummy? I said there are better targets today.
-lots of one-liners, asking questions but refuting to answer questions directed at him (before he got pressured) -only real case he makes is against DB after fake DT claim, lame arguments though http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=43447&user=43447-jumps back to sheepmode in a ridiculous way, makes only sense for someone desperate Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 05:08 hiro protagonist wrote:
Wow, Ok, no one likes that idea. does everyone think Im stupid?
##Unvote: DropBear
Im just gonna sheep whoever is the highest vote is by the end of the day. -defends Mig and is all around the place: Show nested quote + I think Mig is a bad lynch. his defense against foolishness is very good. Also, xtfftc is of my intrest as well. no one wants to lynch DB for whatever reason. it might be a good time to lynch a lurker.
Or Erandorr, I would be down for lynching this guy. 4-8 accusations without anything backing it up, and 13 minutes later full switch on Mig Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 07:20 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, Palmar has convinced me. also, its not like I have much choice in the matter.
##Vote [red]Mig
I would still rather lynch Razorflash, but I can see how that most likely wont happen. Adds another accusation on top lol -offers to vote himself to get a lynch… if he is scum he won’t follow through, if he is town he shouldn’t do it just to get a confirmed , dead townie. -instant switch to chaos13 after palmar proposal without him ever typing out his name before.. -vet claim just before night? Even though he himself wrote before:
tank you for confirming my accusation on you. You're 100% scum as well as xtfftc.
This town plays horribly, I don't know why everyone only listens to the fucking scumteam.
I am okay with lynching xtfftc, chaos13, Kurumi and nard.
But I won't lynch hiro. Even if I provoke a no lynch. I don't want to be the scumteams instrument to kill another poor townie for a horrible reason.
Come on Kurumi! Shoot me with your fakeclaimed "vigi" "hammer" tonight, for sharing my honest thoughts about this.
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