On August 30 2011 03:18 Barundar wrote: I asked for scum reads. Way to easy for mafia to give town reads.
Sucks i can't just magically make scum appear. If i'm scum you want all reads you can get. If i turn out town you don't get any information from my town or scum reads. It's the reasoning behind the reads that seperates the scum from town. Now the next time when you feel to call someone out just close teamliquid and take a break. There was nothing in your post that asked for scumreads
reads mean scumreads. townreads are beyond useless, unless you're discussing a lynch candidate who you believe to be town.
this post literally SCREAMS scum. Especially the bolded part. yes we do, we get the opinions of somebody we know the alignment of, which is impossible while you're alive. You've claimed that you're town, so why don't you go about proving it? Scumhunt, weigh in on suspects, DO SOMETHING.
Also, telling people not to call people out is bad. Really bad. WBG, read this post, and tell me if he's town that got framed. I seriously can't believe how you think that, especially after reading posts like this.
On August 30 2011 03:51 chaoser wrote: So you basically said you don't want to give reads cause if you were scum, it's bad for you, and it you're town we don't get any info from it? Yeah ok lol. The fact that you even mentioned that if you WERE scum it'd be bad for you is telling enough for me. I'm pretty sure my check was correct. Lynch him tomorrow.
I'd be quite disappointed in our vigis if he's still alive tomorrow (assuming kurumi isn't the only one) A double lynch would be nice right about now.
On August 30 2011 04:36 Navillus wrote: Ahhhhhhh don't modkill me! sorry I had my power go out the day after the hurricane, ok I didn't miss a vote but give me time to catch up, if the night post is like about to happen then
##Vote Brownbear
just so I have a vote in but really I have to read everything from the last day or so.
you've got a little over 6 hours (i think, might be 5)
brownbear has been replaced with bumatlarge.
foolishess flipped watcher when scum killed him, before he died said that nard was scum.
On August 28 2011 10:55 Foolishness wrote: nard is 100% mafia. If I die it will be instantly clear how I know this information.
Yes it's 100%. I wanted to bring this information up yesterday but the timing never came, especially after Mig claimed. It should be clear why I had everyone write up what they thought about those 3 people. Make sure to look at the people who didn't respond to that (there are a few who did, and they are all on my suspect list). Kill nard today so that the mafia will have their KP reduced.
Mafia list: nard, BrownBear, Barundar, Pyo, RayzorFlash. If one of those flip green then Erandorr.
chaoser claimed dt with a guilty check on vain.
On August 28 2011 11:11 chaoser wrote: Alright guys, since foolishness has fallen, I fear soon for my life...
I am a DT
Inquisitor - welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are High Inquisitor Scarn, here in liquidia on independent assignment to lead the actions against the cult. You are perhaps the oldest living inquisitor, and with age comes experience and wisdom . You scorn weapons as below the dignity of an Inquisitor, instead you will use your investigative abilities to crush the cult.You may check a player each night and see if he is Innocent or Guilty . Be cautious however, ever since you took a blow to the head while facing off against the Deamon Lord Sepultus in the ancient abandoned temple of the burning flame you have been unsure of the reliability of your investigative abilities and even of your grasp on reality.
I checked Mig night one and got back guilty which is why I've been on his ass for so long. To check my own sanity I checked Foolishness night two and got back green so I know I'm sane. When mig flipped red it proved it beyond a doubt. I checked vain last night and got back [r]red[/r]. I say we lynch vain today over since I'm more sure of his scumminess over nard's.
EDITTED: in exactly how my pm looks
we need to lynch scumatlarge asap, but nard is getting lynched first because he's scum according to a confirmed blue.
On August 30 2011 04:53 Navillus wrote: Oh lol I was here when brownbear switched out I just forgot, ok so
##Unvote ##Vote Nard
Has there been any discussion or confirmation of chaoser's sanity?
On August 28 2011 11:11 chaoser wrote: I checked Mig night one and got back guilty which is why I've been on his ass for so long. To check my own sanity I checked Foolishness night two and got back green so I know I'm sane. When mig flipped red it proved it beyond a doubt. I checked vain last night and got back red. I say we lynch vain today over since I'm more sure of his scumminess over nard's.
On August 30 2011 04:11 Vain wrote: I am just filtering people one by one and trying to reason why someone is town/scum. If you see something faulty in my reasoning or see a hidden agenda give me a call. How the fuck are you otherwise gonna know if i'm scum or not. Your just like chaos and lucid in your nice little world where i'm undoubtedly scum, while the mafia is just laughing their asses off because their plan worked out perfectly. Also i don't proofread my posts for scummy behaviour because i'm not scum
This was 6 hours ago. He hasn't posted anything useful since.
First bold: he says that we'll be able to determine if he's scum or not by evaluating his reasoning. The very reasoning that he has yet to provide, despite constant prodding. This is a scum tactic if ever i've seen one.
second bold: most cop-out excuse ever. townies actually don't do that either, the key difference is that townies don't have an agenda to push or a slip to cover up. If they accuse a townie or make bad decisions they get called out, which is the last thing mafia wants, hence the lack of content from vain.
I'm down to lynch bum, but I wouldn't mind a vig hit on vain in between. bum will flip scum, as will vain. The order doesn't really matter to me.
On August 30 2011 04:11 Vain wrote: I am just filtering people one by one and trying to reason why someone is town/scum. If you see something faulty in my reasoning or see a hidden agenda give me a call. How the fuck are you otherwise gonna know if i'm scum or not. Your just like chaos and lucid in your nice little world where i'm undoubtedly scum, while the mafia is just laughing their asses off because their plan worked out perfectly. Also i don't proofread my posts for scummy behaviour because i'm not scum
This was 6 hours ago. He hasn't posted anything useful since.
First bold: he says that we'll be able to determine if he's scum or not by evaluating his reasoning. The very reasoning that he has yet to provide, despite constant prodding. This is a scum tactic if ever i've seen one.
second bold: most cop-out excuse ever. townies actually don't do that either, the key difference is that townies don't have an agenda to push or a slip to cover up. If they accuse a townie or make bad decisions they get called out, which is the last thing mafia wants, hence the lack of content from vain.
I'm down to lynch bum, but I wouldn't mind a vig hit on vain in between. bum will flip scum, as will vain. The order doesn't really matter to me.
He tends to do that, just like sevryn and hiro posted "scummily."
Vain's "scumminess" that everyone keeps talking about (and that I thought I was seeing) is, I think, just dumbness.
Also, his current lack of activity can be explained by the fact that he lives in Europe. We had this same problem with supersoft, kurumi, and nard. Lack of activity at certain times of the day I don't think necessarily has correlated very much to being mafia in this game.
I'd like to point out, also, that Pyo is the only person to have left a vote on vain. I still consider him a top suspect after bum.
You seem to be missing the fact that he told us, explicitly, that he was filtering people and looking for scum. I'm not faulting him for going to bed, I'm accusing him for not posting his reads before he did so, as he said he would
The argument "he's not mafia, he's just dumb" is faulty, imo. I've played with him before, and he's not an idiot.
On August 30 2011 11:23 chaoser wrote: I have a similar list but I think vain is a better candidate for mafia than kurumi. I am unwilling to let someone who I checked to be red to not be lynched, especially since all his posts/actions so far have been extremely suspicious. I still believe that you are trying to fit everything into a scenario that you believe to be correct instead of looking at the whole thing objectively. The whole thing is a giant exercise in "Wine in front of me". What if the mafia knew people who take it that way and acted accordingly to get one of their suspected off the grid? I doubt bum would be dumb enough to immediately push for vain's lynch today right at the start of the day over nard's. He's a vet player for a reason. In my opinion this is just a giant mind screw/ploy to leave vain alive and have only two mafia lynched over three and to undermine my check. I'd rather be safe than sorry.
mandatory viewing. And another thing: Occam's razor. What are the facts here? With the singular assumption that chaoser is in fact a detective, we have the following facts:
chaoser is sane
vain returned scum when checked.
What are the explanations for this?
vain is mafia
vain is miller
mafia has a framer, and chose to frame vain on the same night that chaoser checked him
there are three assumptions that must be correct for the third option to be the correct one, and one of them is counting on a role that might not be in the game being present. Occam's razor says that the most simple solution is usually correct, and WBG's solution is by no means the most simple.
The possibility of vain being a miller is valid, but based on his posting i believe him to be scum.
On August 30 2011 11:37 wherebugsgo wrote: And of course, lynching vain, even if he is mafia, gives us no information because he's said nothing. There are no links between vain and anyone really.
I've got an idea! let's lynch mafia because they're mafia, not because of the information that we'll get.
On August 30 2011 11:51 Varpulis wrote: damn i write slowly.
On August 30 2011 11:37 wherebugsgo wrote: And of course, lynching vain, even if he is mafia, gives us no information because he's said nothing. There are no links between vain and anyone really.
I've got an idea! let's lynch mafia because they're mafia, not because of the information that we'll get.
If we're working on the assumption that both vain and bum are mafia, then I say bum is the better choice because lynching bum gives us information.
How hard is that to comprehend? Forget my thoughts for a second here and just reason that out.
read your post bro. I read that as a defense of vain because the lynch wouldn't tell us anything (untrue as that statement may be).
As i keep saying, I just want them both dead, the order doesn't matter. vigilantes pick whichever one you think is scummier, i can guarantee that bum will flip scum, 95% sure on vain.
This is pretty much the most laughable claim ever. saying that WBG is the godfather (which is unlikely for the simple reason that the godfather is almost always the most experienced player on the scumteam)
Why are you claiming halfway through the night? Why are you claiming without a red check (one that counts. We already knew that vain is mafia, WBG just doesn't want to admit that he's wrong).
This claim sounds to me like "no don't vig shot me, i'm a dt I PROMISE"
Where are your breadcrumbs? First thing a dt does upon getting a red check is breadcrumb, in my experience. You say you checked Vain night 2, but your first mention of him, here, is during day three, and is simply agreeing with chaoser.
On August 31 2011 01:04 Pyo wrote: As for why claim during nighttime, well exactly because they wouldn't shoot the most hardcore lurker... and because there's another DT claim. Mafia have 2KP so they can't kill us both if there's still a medic. They can try to shoot both of us and one of us will definitely live or they can split their votes and still have one of us definitely live. Claiming right now seems to be perfectly safe.
this is not town logic. Night is dangerous for townies, and especially dangerous for claimed dts. Mafia, however, is more comfortable at night, and are only afraid of vigilantes. This claim seems to me like a method to avoid the attention (or, more accurately, the shots) of mafia's only nighttime predator.
On August 31 2011 01:48 Pyo wrote: bumatlarge - no idea really, I thought BB was scum, but the sub (and the need to be subbed in the first place) has thrown me off so I don't really know. WBG's analysis of him felt like bullshit though.
wishy washy as hell. Using the replacement as an excuse to not form an opinion. Also nicely discrediting WBG.
Vain - I voted for him after having checked him, what do you think I think of him?
again, a day later with no breadcrumbs, and only once another dt claimed
kurumi - As far as I'm concerned he isn't even playing this game. I don't read his posts - I might have an aneurism if I actually do.
nice dodge. "i don't read his posts so i don't have an opinion"
Rayzorflash - I feel like he's scum. I checked errandor for more or less the same reason I am suspicious of rayzor - somewhat late bandwagon votes on mig and lurking nearly as much as me.
lol. he's scummy because he's lurking almost as much as you. Nice logic there scum
Also, checking jackal night 1 did not confirm my sanity since naive DT's will return green for everyone.
my responses in green italics.
I suggest we lynch bum -> vain -> pyo. vigs feel free to speed things up.
On August 31 2011 03:20 Varpulis wrote: AND ANOTHER THING
Where are your breadcrumbs? First thing a dt does upon getting a red check is breadcrumb, in my experience. You say you checked Vain night 2, but your first mention of him, here, is during day three, and is simply agreeing with chaoser.
just realized that day three is directly after night 2. I'm going to fail math class this coming semester, i know it.
On August 31 2011 03:20 Varpulis wrote: AND ANOTHER THING
Where are your breadcrumbs? First thing a dt does upon getting a red check is breadcrumb, in my experience. You say you checked Vain night 2, but your first mention of him, here, is during day three, and is simply agreeing with chaoser.
just realized that day three is directly after night 2. I'm going to fail math class this coming semester, i know it.
point still stands, no breadcrumbs whatsoever.
WAIT WAIT WAIT
yesterday was day 4. my first post had the days wrong, but was correct in that a full game day passed between him returning the check and him mentioning vain.
On August 31 2011 06:38 Vain wrote: Wait. So Pyo claimed dt without results but insinuating that i came back red. I love this game:\
Are you going to post scumreads or not?
This post is like...not enough. To me it has the air of a townie who's just given up, but we need more from you, otherwise you're gonna get lynched.
In fact I'm pretty sure most people want to lynch you first, so you need to give us some great reasons not to.
it's nighttime. not a single vote has been cast, or can be cast until about 3 hours from now. He hasn't provided the reads that he said he was working on obtaining more than 24 hours ago. How do townies give up 78 hours before they get lynched? (assuming we lynch him today as planned)
On August 31 2011 06:38 Vain wrote: Wait. So Pyo claimed dt without results but insinuating that i came back red. I love this game:\
Are you going to post scumreads or not?
This post is like...not enough. To me it has the air of a townie who's just given up, but we need more from you, otherwise you're gonna get lynched.
In fact I'm pretty sure most people want to lynch you first, so you need to give us some great reasons not to.
Yeah, i know that and its not gonna change with mafia hammering on me and i know i can't defend myself because i just stupidly followed the rest:\
Maybe i'll put some time into this tomorrow but i don't really think i'll live up to that cause its my bday tomorrow.
here's the thing. There's a red check on you, which is evidence nobody can refute. You're going to get lynched, and if you're a townie, the best thing that you can do is leave us with your reads and opinions.
The fact that you refuse to do so is incredibly scummy.
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