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On August 24 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 19:01 Lucidity wrote:
Can't believe he was green though -.- yah, it's because you don't think, or you're scum. And for some reason no one listens to a word I say.
You believed hiro's Vet claim. I don't think your judgment this game is that great. Trying to introduce chaos13 as the new lynch candidate 2 hours before deadline was also a blunder. If anyone is not thinking, it is you. Based on the previous game I played with you I expected more from you... That's worrying me.
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On August 24 2011 19:21 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 19:01 Lucidity wrote:On August 24 2011 18:03 supersoft wrote:
I don't understand how this could happen. How could I be the only one who didn't buy this hirolynch...?
Seriously, not all of you can be scum.
I think we have one major problem here: People don't think by themselves.
But I don't understand why... it's so easy to filter someone, it's so easy to look at the voting behavior...
Please shoot nard, xtfftc or chaos13 tonight. Your reluctance to vote for hiro after his fake claim absolutely screams scum to me. You knew he was innocent when all evidence pointed to the contrary. Only scum know that. You were more keen on a mislynch than voting hiro... Explain this please: On August 24 2011 10:52 supersoft wrote:On August 24 2011 10:51 Mig wrote:
We are 1 vote away from majority with 10min left. Super/foolish? If you guys don't vote it's going to be no lynch. Considering hiro lied about his role claim lynch has to be better.
the only reason why i would vote him, is to avoid endless discussions about him and myself tomorrow. That's the only reason. On August 24 2011 10:57 supersoft wrote:
it's so dumb. I want someone else to do it. It's probably necessary :-( Can't believe he was green though -.- stop it. That's not even funny anymore. People like you ruined this game. I tried to save townies two times in a row. Also I pushed for lynching scum two times in a row. Sadly you preferred to follow the scumteam.
Instead of randomly raging, please explain the reasoning behind the posts I quoted.
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On August 24 2011 19:28 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 19:23 Lucidity wrote:On August 24 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:On August 24 2011 19:01 Lucidity wrote:
Can't believe he was green though -.- yah, it's because you don't think, or you're scum. And for some reason no one listens to a word I say. You believed hiro's Vet claim. I don't think your judgment this game is that great. Trying to introduce chaos13 as the new lynch candidate 2 hours before deadline was also a blunder. If anyone is not thinking, it is you. Based on the previous game I played with you I expected more from you... That's worrying me. You're a joke. If you expect something from palmar, you have to give him the chance to prove himself. Consequently you have to vote for his targets. You were wrong two times now. How can you claim that palmars judgement isn't that great, while your judgement isn't existing. One additional word to your accusations towards me: You didn't see that hiro was green, because you're just not smart enough. This is nothing personal or whatever, but if you don't see that the wagon on hero came out of the nowhere and builded up exceptionally fast, with noone reasoning his decision, I can't help you.
Like I've explained before, I did not pay attention to the thread this weekend. I logged on and voted to make sure there was a lynch. I had no idea what the merits of the lynch was. It's difficult to judge what I would have done though, because when I started reading the thread I already knew Sevryn was green. I'd like to think that I would have tried to move the vote off of Sevryn, but I can't say.
I'm liking your OMGUS/Palmar impression too btw. Too bad you can't vote? Now try explaining the posts I quoted instead of attacking my intelligence?
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On August 24 2011 19:44 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 19:38 Lucidity wrote:On August 24 2011 19:28 supersoft wrote:On August 24 2011 19:23 Lucidity wrote:On August 24 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:On August 24 2011 19:01 Lucidity wrote:
Can't believe he was green though -.- yah, it's because you don't think, or you're scum. And for some reason no one listens to a word I say. You believed hiro's Vet claim. I don't think your judgment this game is that great. Trying to introduce chaos13 as the new lynch candidate 2 hours before deadline was also a blunder. If anyone is not thinking, it is you. Based on the previous game I played with you I expected more from you... That's worrying me. You're a joke. If you expect something from palmar, you have to give him the chance to prove himself. Consequently you have to vote for his targets. You were wrong two times now. How can you claim that palmars judgement isn't that great, while your judgement isn't existing. One additional word to your accusations towards me: You didn't see that hiro was green, because you're just not smart enough. This is nothing personal or whatever, but if you don't see that the wagon on hero came out of the nowhere and builded up exceptionally fast, with noone reasoning his decision, I can't help you. Like I've explained before, I did not pay attention to the thread this weekend. I logged on and voted to make sure there was a lynch. I had no idea what the merits of the lynch was. It's difficult to judge what I would have done though, because when I started reading the thread I already knew Sevryn was green. I'd like to think that I would have tried to move the vote off of Sevryn, but I can't say. I'm liking your OMGUS/Palmar impression too btw. Too bad you can't vote? Now try explaining the posts I quoted instead of attacking my intelligence? no. NO. You can't be serious! You weren't there and didn't read the thread, but you judge me based on my last two or three posts? Ragepost incoming. I better quit TL.net now, because I might not be allowed to ever visit this site again if I stay now.
Yes I was afk the weekend. I have since read every post in this thread. Why would you rage? Now answer my question about the posts I quoted. O M G.
On August 24 2011 19:45 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 19:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
You put some thinking/effort into the game?
If you're so much smarter than us why don't you share your brilliant analysis with the town every once in a while?
Oh right, cause you're scum and you don't actually vote based on evidence...just preknowledge. hahahahaha, I will remind you of this post at the end of the game.
He's right you know. You keep talking about how you've been right, but you don't explain yourself. All we have is this:
On August 24 2011 05:30 supersoft wrote:
i believe hero is innocent and mafia is superhappy because they save xtfftc today...
at least i am schocked how fast that hiro bandwagon started out of the nowhere...
That's ridiculous. After hiro fake claims and admits that he fake claimed you're still convinced he's a townie. Why? EXPLAIN THE TWO POSTS I QUOTED O M G!
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On August 24 2011 19:49 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 19:44 Palmar wrote:On August 24 2011 19:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 24 2011 19:33 Palmar wrote:On August 24 2011 19:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 24 2011 19:28 supersoft wrote:On August 24 2011 19:23 Lucidity wrote:On August 24 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:On August 24 2011 19:01 Lucidity wrote:
Can't believe he was green though -.- yah, it's because you don't think, or you're scum. And for some reason no one listens to a word I say. You believed hiro's Vet claim. I don't think your judgment this game is that great. Trying to introduce chaos13 as the new lynch candidate 2 hours before deadline was also a blunder. If anyone is not thinking, it is you. Based on the previous game I played with you I expected more from you... That's worrying me. You're a joke. If you expect something from palmar, you have to give him the chance to prove himself. Consequently you have to vote for his targets. You were wrong two times now. How can you claim that palmars judgement isn't that great, while your judgement isn't existing. One additional word to your accusations towards me: You didn't see that hiro was green, because you're just not smart enough. This is nothing personal or whatever, but if you don't see that the wagon on hero came out of the nowhere and builded up exceptionally fast, with noone reasoning his decision, I can't help you. Okay. I think this post convinced me lol. Come morning I'm voting you. That would be a pretty stupid move. Well I'd be down to vote you too, cause your actions over the past day have definitely eroded my town opinion of you. I think you're scumbuddies with supersoft. Both you and supersoft have attempted to gain towncred by landing on the right side of the voting both days. SS was more obvious about it but you've been spearheading these distraction efforts too. You BOTH are claiming we're all too dumb etc etc to see that hiro/sev were town when in reality hiro played like absolute trash and Sevryn's mistakes made him seem like a pretty good target day 1 too. Yeah, we were ultimately wrong in our assessments, but I stand by the reasoning. You can filter my posts and go back and see my analysis of hiro, for example. Honestly though, you and supersoft jumped several levels all at once in scumminess, ESPECIALLY in that last 2 hours vote switch you guys attempted. I'm scum because I'm right, lol I'm not saying town is stupid, I'm saying it's my own fault for not explaining my arguments in a good enough manner to prevent town from doing stupid shit. Basically, at this point you're either town hiding the fact that you're not objectively reading the thread behind claiming hiro and sevryn are bad, or you're scum trying to do look like you're doing exactly that. I have been leaning town on you for a while, I simply think your reasons were wrong. Being wrong is fine, being okay with being wrong is good town play, but we also need to be objective instead of emotional. Read the entire thing again with the knowledge you have now. You should find things a bit more clear. I'm not giving up, and at some point people will listen. :-( you're right. We can't blame them if they don't understand us... You're right, it's up to us to convince them. I just overestimated them, and I am mad at myself for letting a situation like this happen.
Why are you copying Palmar so hard?
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I would just like to point out that large walls of text aren't the most welcoming sight when you get home.
The principle of parsimony plix :<
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On August 27 2011 01:46 chaoser wrote:
What bullshit, mig is obviously lying. He claims tracker, says he's got breadcrumbs but if you look, all of them are from the PREVIOUS DAY. Basically he's mafia, got scared cause he was close to lynch until some of this mafia friends fucked with the lynch yesterday so he thought up a fake claim plan over the night to save his ass.Lynch him please! We've gone three days without lynching him and letting him get away, don't let him get away again!
I don't like this. Those breadcrumbs were from the previous day in real time, but they were still after Night 2 in game time. He wasn't a candidate on Day 1 either as you are claiming. Basically this post is completely useless. The vote switching that took place was also driven by two fake claiming townies imo. Not by scum. BB voting 5th even...
I have just read today's posts and the more I read the less sure I became of Mig's alignment. I don't feel comfortable lynching him over BrownBear, especially after that claim. If we leave Mig alone we force scum to deal with him instead. In addition to this, actually going for chaos13 today would yield us 1 Mafia if he flips green. chaos13 has claimed VT, so Mig is doomed if he lied. 1 scum for 1 green is a pretty decent trade. chaos13 isn't a bad lynch to begin with, so if we're going to deal with the Mig/chaos13 situation I think we should lynch chaos13 first.
If we're going for who is scummiest, I'd say that would be BrownBear. I feel like people have been tunneling Mig today. While reading wherebugsgo's analysis on Mig I didn't really agree with anything in it, it was pure tunneling/scum painting. Basically every action, whether townie or null was turned in to some elaborate plan as a scuMig. I've also done this before with Mig when he was Town, because I respected him as a player, but it turns out my elaborate paranoid theories were wrong. I'm trying to be less paranoid now. In addition to this Palmar was very sure that BB was scum and Mig was town. I respect Palmar as a player and thus this does influence my opinion quite a bit.
I think the best course of action would be to lynch BB today. (Go read Foolishness' case again. Although I don't really agree with the Mig connection...)
Leave Mig and chaos13 until tomorrow. The night actions should give us more information to work with.
Even if you believe that Mig and BB are equally scummy, Mig's claim should immediately put him lower on the priority list than BB. If Mig was lying he can still be dealt with later.
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I realise that this is a Friday, but we're all watching MLG anyway, so no excuses for not being here for the next 6 hours.
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On August 26 2011 22:40 Mig wrote:
Just kill chaos after I flip. I have done my part.
Actually that's not a town Mig post at all :/
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scumatlarge is taking over from BB's lurker defence too.
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That would basically confirm them as mafia though.
I'll put my vote on the leading candidate before I go to bed, but for now I'd still like to try and get a BB lynch going. Why is everyone AFK?
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ROFL
supersoft, don't think i've forgotten about you. I'm coming for you son.
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Can anyone tell me why Mig is a better lynch than BB? It might be too late to switch now, but you guys seem to think that Mig is a better lynch regardless of time constraints.
(Sorry for the double post of one liners)
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On August 27 2011 07:09 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 07:04 Lucidity wrote:
That would basically confirm them as mafia though.
I'll put my vote on the leading candidate before I go to bed, but for now I'd still like to try and get a BB lynch going. Why is everyone AFK? If they have a vigi they might be able to end the game a little sooner then we all anticipate
If they have a vigi it would be Kurumi. Why would they delay their KP if they can't miss?
(Now I really feel like a spammer)
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On August 27 2011 08:38 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 08:31 Lucidity wrote:
Can anyone tell me why Mig is a better lynch than BB? It might be too late to switch now, but you guys seem to think that Mig is a better lynch regardless of time constraints.
(Sorry for the double post of one liners) Go read the posts against him earlier in the day, then go read my first post against him and a few of my followups. Finally read some of foolishness' posts against him. There's tons of stuff out there.
A quick summary of why Mig > BB would be great thanks.
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On August 27 2011 13:26 iGrok wrote:
@WBG:
You still think I'm mafia? After I started the vote for Mig, shot down attempts to split votes between Mig and BB, and... well I haven't told you why Kurumi is scum yet. I've got to think about when to release that, I'm not sure if it'd be better far in advance or right before daypost.
If you were trying to save your skin as a townie by only releasing info 1 minute before deadline I think you've screwed it up. You've painted a huge target on your back by promising to prove that Kurumi is scum, so the timing of your information doesn't matter anymore I think. If you're town you already killed yourself by implying that you're blue.
On August 27 2011 17:34 supersoft wrote:
nard and lucidity are extremly suspicious for either not reading the thread or - what I believe - trying to peel votes of Mig to get a nolynch. (ofc lucidity switched later on and nard promised to be there to switch if necessary)
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further similarities amongst these people:
Noone of them voted RayzorFlash at day1; Noone of them voted either mig or xtfftc at day2.
thoughts on BB he's probably scum, too. my statement at the end of the day was supposed to end the discussion and make sure, mig dies. I was extremely aftraid, that our doubts lead us to something stupid :D (right......)
Could you explain why you say I haven't read the thread? Or how I was pushing for a no lynch? Also, I couldn't vote for any of those candidates because I wasn't there. Stop using my early afk'ness as a reason to push motives that don't exist.
Also, I'm down with a RayzorFlash --> scumatlarge (or the other way around) lynch.
If iGrok's information on Kurumi turns out to be good then I believe supersoft is almost certainly scum as well. I'll post my reasoning later.
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On August 27 2011 09:56 Vain wrote:
Fuuuuuuuuuuu, i almost forgot this thing. yeah, Mig needs to be lynched and then BB
i hope i'm right now:\ scummiest line in history of mafia
Vote: Mig
His vote didn't matter at all, yet he's worried about being right with his vote. Right-o. Scum always seem to throw in one of those "i hope i'm right" posts. You'd think they'd know to resist it by now.
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I'm getting really tired of your responses supersoft. It's either a "lol" or a "you didn't read the thread" or "you're a joke" etc. This doesn't answer my questions. I don't ask things randomly, I want to see the reasoning behind your mistakes.
I'll assume that you think I didn't read the thread, because I thought BB was a better lynch candidate? Here's the situation as I saw it: Mig and BB were both considered the best scum candidates by town and they were pretty much equally scummy. Mig then claimed blue. In this scenario I'd think the safer lynch would be BB. No one else agreed with me except (insert name). I couldn't see why people still thought Mig was the better lynch so I asked repeatedly. But no one in this town ever answers any fucking thing properly.
If you think I was trying to force a no lynch by suggesting a swap to BB 7 hours before deadline then your logic is seriously messed up.
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Yes, lots of people have done it already t_t
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