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Hey guys. I am replacing zeks. I was not following the thread before today but I do pledge tto have read the entire thread by Thursday.
What does everyone find to be most important event or two most important? I want kany of you to answer. Convince me of what you see as important as something I should focus on.
I promise not to repeat the failures of my last game. I'm Just Breaking the ice here with this post and those that do as I asked will really help to transition ke from outsider to insider in this game. Of All the days to skip, at least I missed day 1 (i hate day 1). In Exchange for this, I have to enter day 3 with nothing lol.
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Wow nice.
I am through reading up to page 80ish.
Would anyone care to help me jump into the discussion by throwing questions at me?
I am going to bed now but I will finish reading the thread and reply to any questions tomorrow.
As of reading up to page 80, I am VERY for a GGQ lynch.
Someone at some point said that we shopuld notice the number of jacks/masons in this game. I think its fair to expand that idea to just being there is alot of power roles. Of the 8 town dead, 4 are blues (3 vig and 1 mason). Just something that occured to me as soon as I read the day post.
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On January 19 2012 14:20 Bill Murray wrote:
sorry to spam, guys, but my GF is here so I won't be able to be back on any more tonight
I wish you all the best if you lynch me, GG, and I hope you all lynch the right one between BC and Protactinium, unless mafia didn't run for election, and something weird is going on like Foolishness pushing on the best scumhunters at random intervals like I did in Hesmyrr's mini theme.
Dont throw in the towel like that or rage quit or whatever when the day is less than half over. I have not read any case on you yet but reading that post just makes me role my eyes. PLAY TILL YOU ARE DEAD AND PLAY TO WIN EVERY STEP. Since tone and attitude is important in mafia that means keeping a stiff upper lip at all times.
I don't care what alignment you are that klind of thing doesn't do anything but start to establish a motive for apathy.
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K. Read the entire thread now. First, we need to lynch GGQ today. His entire play style is anti town. He pokes holes in things and never helps. It is actually that simple.
##vote GGQ
BC, if you could play through day 1 again would you do anything different and if so what?
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I dont think glurio is a good lynch for mainly the reasons p4ndemik stated. Kinjames, your case sucks and seems fairly scummy. Bill Murray's claim and posts today are scummy enough to get my vote today. I really distrust our mayor at this time but can not say he is scummier than GGQ or BM.
##vote Bill Murray
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Keep in mind I just replaced in and my level of activity reflects multi hours per day devoted to catching up. This is not an easy game to replace into (pace wise).
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I agree with you on KJ protact but not on BM. I wouldnt defend BM if I was on a scum team with him.
Also your post smells like possible self preservation...
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KJ post on other topics wow. I swear you might help to save GGQ simply because of how scummy your whole single minded style is.
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Protact, what is your list and why should I care who is on it? You can link to it even I just cant get filters to work at work.
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BC, tell me how any info about you that a blue or green flip of KJ might reveal wouldnt be wifom?
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LOL are you saying me finding ways to jump in and ask questions means I can't think?
I find your reply to actually be a bit scummy. A town flip of kingjames at this would more than likely sudgest that he was bad town. His case on you is just stupidly executed and he is ignoring so much that is going on while pushing it.
The fact that you are preparing your defensive tone for a town flip on a player that is playing like KJ....
That is scummy.
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I would say youvare taking a mch more real chance when you don't lynch who you think is most likely scum.
Thinking about reducing KP amoung other things.
Vote for scummy players DUH.
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Come on foolishness. Isnt the fact that he claims a bomb on a good scum hunter more reason to lynch him than not.
You are acting like protact is a for sure goonee when BM is lynched and there is no resonable reason to think that.
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Ok here is my read on the game thus far.
The following players are being very scummy:
kingjames01
Bill Murray
Foolishness
BloodyC0bbler
GGQ
Why are these guys scummy?
GGQ
+ Show Spoiler +Let me address GGQ first, he is the easy one. He is the definition of a purposefully skatting by player that has added NOTHING useful at any point in the game. I will be unvoting him as I think he isn't a good lynch choice as there is scummier people around.
Bill Murray
+ Show Spoiler +I have never really liked his play completely and then his claim comes up. He has claimed that if he is lynched the most successful town scum hunter will die. He did not bread crumb this. He did not hint at it. He claimed it hours before he thought he was to die. HOURS BEFORE. His claim intended to create a knee jerk reaction. This guy is scum.
Foolishness
+ Show Spoiler +I really, REALLY dislike the day 1 campaign he ran to get Bill Murray into office. Especially since Murray has proven himself to be commited to a very scummy agenda. The meta of BM before this game was that he trolls/breaks games or whatnot. This guy pushed hard for an election on said person before BM even posted in the thread! I think foolishness saw a chance to get the attention focused on someone is either disruptive in habit (if BM is town) or to get his scum mate elected that he will cause confusion and when needed can later be turned on as an awesome bus.
With the meta of BM, I doubt any scum mate that had BM as a team mate would think BM is going to live all the way to the end game. Having him distract the game, control a elected spot, and then be lighting rod of bussing is an amazingly awesome item.
KingJames01
+ Show Spoiler +Honestly I have seen scum focus in like you have so many times. When a more experienced player does this as scum it usually is a bus attempt or because of some weird meta. I think you are making an awful case in an attempt to cleverly double bus. If your target is lynched you look good and if you are lynched he looks good.
BloodyC0bbler
+ Show Spoiler +I hated your day 1 play. It was just plain distracting and not a good conversation for in game play. That kinda debate happens in IRCs and Forums all the time (usefulness of masons) and it was like bringing Left Wing vs Right Wing USA politics into play. There is no right answer yet people feel strongly one way or the other based on gut feelings.
Fast forward to now. You are saying that it makes more sense to not lynch a very scum player because he is always anti town and that anti towns player of placing bombs on a town asset 'might' be true. Unacceptable.
Bill Murray's claim is hogwash. You dont just throw bombs out there and then claim it later on. Even a noob to the greatest level would see the purpose of leaving a clue as to who you bombed. If you don't, you might as well not claim.
You have set it up so you can say you were right no matter what and that stinks. If BM is lynched and flips scum then you had called him scummy. If BM isn't lynched and Protact lives through the night then you can say you called that too.
I completely distrust people that setup up mutli-ways to be right no matter what yet refuse to use the same logic to lynch scum that they have found. It stinks.
If you think BM is scum then vote him don't tell us how lynching likely scum ruins our chances to win. You said so yourself that the town is doing well right now. If BM isn't lieing and we lose a decent player then guess what, we got rid of a anti town player that was dominating the conversation AND the town will still be in a fine postion. Stop making it out into if we lynch BM we risk being in a spot were we have no way to win because that is wrong. With BM lynched, our chances of winning go up. End of story.
##unvote GGQ
##vote KingJames01
I am now voting BM and KJ. I think they are extremely likely to be scum and their flips will tell us a shit ton.
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The problem I have with this meta thing defending BM is that no matter what it can be brought up.
I also just can't believe how much freedom he is being given after posting that he thought he was hours from death and that he has a bomb on exactly one player who happens to be the guy that is outing scum left and right.
Doesnt that just STINK?????????
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On January 19 2012 14:33 Bill Murray wrote:
I agree with KingJames
The mafia are making moves on scumhunters. This is either BC, Foolishness, or Incognito's handywork. I am not going to sit by and watch this happen. I know 4 people who I believe to be town due to role related information. Take that as you will. I really don't need to be dying today.
I don't think mafia subbed BGs, or I'd be dead, and they wouldn't be wasting their time lynching me. I'm a jailkeeper to them at the least, and dangerous, as I am a protown power role even if I don't have another role.
However, I actually HAVE another role.
I am a Mad Hatter, but I only have one bomb out. You all need to allow me at least tonight so that I can get maximum utility out of my role. Thanks. I'll be on tomorrow.
On January 20 2012 10:48 Bill Murray wrote:
I've got to vote kingjames, even if I have a townslip from him;
I KNOW I'm a mad hatter, he could be a townie
sandroba needs rope really badly
My one bomb is on Protactinium, so when I'm lynched, I guess he's coming with me
My Night 1 was jailing Lanaia, and then I was going to fake that I "derped" on the next 2 nights
Why else would I jailkeep N1? It was a bad idea in retrospect, but I thought I would either die N1 if BC was mafia, or I would have until BrownBear and Kitaman were alive.
Cwave masoned me yesterday
Jitsu masoned me yesterday
one of BC or OpZ are probably mafia
GG guys I'm dead in an hour if you all don't unvote and there goes the sheriff
Questions to masons: Did BM ever claim or talk about mad hatter to you guys?
BM, you make it sound like you had to choose between abilities each night. Is that the case?
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I replaced zeks so ur filter list lacks some there.
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On January 21 2012 08:05 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 07:56 blahz0r wrote:On January 21 2012 07:07 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2012 07:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On January 21 2012 06:51 p4NDemik wrote:
Seriously these three are beyond reason right now. This is super fucking fishy. Ok ok ok everyone hold your horses. We'd all like to hear a coherent case out of the triumvirate. However let's not let things get blown out of porportion. Yes, we'd all like them just to spell it out, yes we are frustrated at their collective inability to explain wtf is going on. However now is not the time for veiled attacks on their credibility. This is the kinda thing I called out opz (still scum btw) for. We can be frustrated but it's not necessary to start spreading doubt yet. If they can't get their shit together by the lynch and the lynch falls apart and one or two townies die then we can start calling for some heat. Until then let's give them an oppertunity to respond to our requests. I think we (and by we I once again mean the recently active people) have made it clear what we need to hear. Let's not go overboard and start heaving accusations till we've heard their responses. I think we're all blowing this out of proportion and thinking too hard about this. Why are we saying let's not kill BM? Well what if he is a hatter and telling the truth? We not only killed a townie but lost our best scumhunter as well. Do I think it's likely BM is telling the truth? No, but it's a possibility. Is town in a desperate situation where we need to take chances? No If BM is mafia, then mafia will not kill Incog cause they want to keep BM from getting lynched. That's okay cause Incog can stay around to find the rest of the mafia team. If the mafia do decide to kill Incog, then we can go straight ahead and kill BM, and I will not ask questions lol This isn't supposed to be complicated. We don't need to be taking chances at this point so why bother? Incog and BC have both been suspicious of sandroba, and sandroba has yet to contribute all game so we have decided to go with that. Do I think there are better lynches than sandroba? Yes. But that's okay because sandroba fits the theme. I'm not going to sit and argue for better targets, it's important that we are all on the same page. Incog and BC know who I think is mafia, and that will be the starting point for tomorrow's lynch. What chances? If he was a mad hatter, why would he waste putting a bomb on someone who has and still is actively finding mafia. His bombs would be better used on these other mafia targets that you have all believed to be mafia. To me he went from "oh I don't have much time and effort so whatevers" to "oh I'm gonna kill our scum hunter if you lynch me lols". WTF is this ? I'm voting Bill Murray, this looks like bullshit to me. BM claims a story as following: a) he thought protact was scum n1. Tbh, protact wasn't as established as he is now with his scum finds. in my previous post you'll find a list that states that. b) he forgot to submit any n2 actions which is why there is no second bomb and he didn't remove his first. I don't know if I should believe that, but it isn't completely unbelievable. The risk is really high. If he sticks to his story, he'll remove the bomb n3 and place somewhere better. Then, town can decide again on d4 if we want that lynch. If he doesn't remove the bomb, well, he's lynched. so it just makes sense to postpone his lynch even though he might be buying time. risk vs reward + scenario analysis.
Ok I can buy this. I didn't know mad hatters could move thier bombs. That really does make some ideas about risk/reward make alot more sense.
That puts GGQ back into the sites for me.
##unvote Bill Murray
##vote GGQ
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rofl at the timing of you saying that + my last post.
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I still think you are scummy!
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