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On January 07 2012 00:24 jcarlsoniv wrote: PREPARE TO BE MODERATED I've been naughty jcarl. Punish me. | ||
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Kita for Mayor I may not be the best town player, but I'll always put in the effort. As mayor, I won't play to the emotions game pretending to rage quit or mindlessly tunnel a player. My history shows that I won't go afk midgame or lose interest. I'm always willing to share my opinion and will be upfront with my reads and decisions if I am elected. I'm not a big fan of directing blues, so I won't ramble on how medics should protect vets or how vigs should save their shot on night one. Nothing in the setup sticks out, that hasn't already been discussed to death in past games. I will say, however, that if you are targeted by a mason, don't trust them blindly. Punish the scum mason for contacting you by questioning their motives and push your agenda on them in return. In a large game like this, the most important thing is maintaining a pro-town environment and a healthy thread. The two biggest problems with 50 players is inactivity and spam. Punish people who attempt to comment on neutral targets. Before you post, ask yourself if what you are saying is really that important. Limit the one-liners. It is possible to get to a point where you are posting too much. We should aim for balanced contribution. I could go on talking about lurkers, LAL or my town experience (10 game streak gogo!), but that stuff is boring. At this point, I can't say how I'll use the day one lynch, other than the most likely scum, Let me know if you have any questions. ##Vote Kita for Mayor (or Sheriff) | ||
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On January 13 2012 14:04 EchelonTee wrote: Kita, what makes you a better Mayor than other potential candidates if you yourself say that you are not a very good town player? Most importantly, because I'm town, but I doubt that will convince you Mainly because I'm active and will be frequently reading the thread with promises to contribute the entire game. Plenty of past mayors get elected based on experience and then lose interest or become busy and don't live up to expectations. I have experience and prefer maintaining a strong thread presence the entire game. As for your comment, what I meant was there are probably 3-4 players that I consider better than me as town. I wouldn't say I'm a poor town player, which is clearly back up by the fact that I haven't lost in 11 months. Not a statistical anomaly at all! (Okay maybe it is.) On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote: /confirm LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot. I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm afraid you have me confused with someone else. I didn't play that game I'm somewhat surprised bum would vote for me minutes into the game without a real read, but I can't complain. Foolishness, I don't see how it is logical to campaign for another player, considering you know your own alignment. Lets not turn the first day into a discussion on whether or not BM's past incidents warrant risking him becoming the center of attention. The entire game is going to be about BM if he is elected, which is not ideal. You admit there are going to be numerous people that wish to policy lynch him based on his spammy playstyle, how does electing him solve that problem? | ||
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On January 13 2012 15:11 Erandorr wrote: I am wondering, however, why you think that our focus should be to get the roles away from potentially strong mafia players instead of trying to protect potentially good town players in a massive game like this? How did you even come to this conclusion? I don't see anything in his posts that indicate he was suggesting this. Now that bum has taken care of the blue role guidelines, nobody else needs to discuss them. Weak first post from Protact. I missed that there were double lynches in my initial glance at the setup. Generally I think its best to use at least one of them early to generate information and work towards reducing the mafia kp as soon as possible. Finding the first few mafia is always the toughest. | ||
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On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote: cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. Confirmed scum? Quite the conclusion hours into the game. It's hard to take you serious if you're pushing your lynch based on a joke post and a timing issue. Do you honestly believe he is pushing a Wiggles mislynch with his first post? BC is a strong player, but only when he wants to be. Just take a look at his most recent town game. I think I'm more reliable and would be less likely to be the center of attention. He also already had an opportunity at an elected role with the GMarshal game. I don't like Meapak's comments on bum. I don't see how Insane Mafia 2 or Responsibility Mafia would make him a poor mayor choice. His biggest asset is that he is rarely thrown under suspicion as town, which is an important trait to have. I also dislike Meapak's lynch candidate as GGQ, based on two spam posts. There already have been too many one-liners or spam. Can we at least try to pretend we are mindful of this? Macpo's first post was rather lackluster. Hopefully he is more confident and less apologetic in the future. KJ's bodyguards should claim plan is incredibly poor. So is Jackal's. Even if the scum team did subsititute all three bodyguards, they still have to worry about a electoral official being a vet, which would cost them 3 scum or that one of the bodyguards wasn't jailed, which would also cost them 3 scum. | ||
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On January 14 2012 00:53 kingjames01 wrote: Third, you're actually agreeing with me in essence. I'm saying that if they sneak in a Bodyguard, it will be risky to take out the elected officials. However, to make it harder for them, they should be revealed from the beginning. What if both elected officials are killed and we have 0 clue as to who the Bodyguards were? Are you okay with that risk? Finally, are you stating for the record that if you were elected, you would not reveal your Bodyguards? I think there is a greater chance of the elected officials getting killed off due to claiming the bodyguards publicly, than there is of the scum double substituting bodyguards. There is also the mason threat that the scum team has to worry about if they want to shoot into the officials. Even if we did make them public, it makes a lot more sense to reveal only one, rather than both of them. I don't forsee myself revealing them. Several people have passed on my campaign because of my comment on my town play, explaining that there are other better alternatives. It is uncomfortable to talk about how great oneself is, but I take that comment back. I've carried town in multiple games, gotten night 1/2 hit in three of the last four, and have been as consistent with my reads in recent games as any player: bugs/role (couples), GM/Caller (PYPI), foolishness/chaos/palmar (PTP), majority of scum team (XXXVIII/HP). I'm not as wordy as Meapak or as aggressive as BC, but I think my town results are just as good. VE, you mention that you're voting BM because he is scumhunting. Does this mean you agree with his case on cyber_cheese? Less spam please Palmar. It has gotten to the point of being disruptive. Would you address the concerns that a town Palmar would want to be elected and have control over the lynch? Someone asked me earlier what I would base the lynch on. It would be someone who is talking about neutral topics, summarizing others opinions, or attempting to blend in. On day one, I think its far easy to find someone who isn't posting with town motives, than it is to find someone posting with scum motives. Jayjay's remarks on Echelon potential forced post was nice considering I was thinking the same thing. I'm not willing to pass off Foolishness's BM post as "town, because no mafia would ever do it". Slardar shouldn't be allowed to get away with his opening post and d3's BM policy lynch is weak. | ||
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Why didn't you simply decide to run, get elected based on experience and popularity, and play the mason role as normal without public knowledge? To me, it seems unnecessary to open yourself up to a roleblock. The only benefit I can see is create a mason network for organizing blue information, but a day one claim is too early for this to be relevant and I don't see this as a beneficial plan currently with the thread of scum masons. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:26 sandroba wrote: 3) I'm seriously considering supporting a mason mass claim day1. Mafia will have to claim it early if they ever want to use it and it gives us good basis for discussion. These big games fall rapidly out of control if we don't keep focus and this will give us something to go by. On January 14 2012 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually, thinking about it, I'm for a mass-mason claim. If mafia want to start targeting masons, they're only forcing their masons into the spotlight...and it will keep any non-claimed-mason shenannies to a minimum I think. I disagree with a mass mason claim. A mason is a town favored role. Denying the mafia mason is not the priority. I'd be more than happy if a scum mason tried to contact me, considering they are now pressured into openly sharing their reads. People tend to have loose lips when regarding pms, but if you always consider their motives and agenda then there is no problem. With a mass claim, the scum team is free to pick off or roleblock blues. Suppose there are 4 mason claims and two get shot night one and flip town. Does that tell us anything about the remaining two masons? Not really. | ||
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On January 14 2012 05:45 Jayjay54 wrote: this is a really bad post imo. 1) no it's most certainly not town favoured. the mafia gets to prove read every single PM. while mafia can just target weak players in our team and thus spread confusing. 2) how on earth wouldn't it tell us something about the remaining masons? you say that townies claimed wrong? because in this scenario 4 masons are claimed, 2 are most certainly mafia, aren't they? 1) I guess we have to disagree then. Even if mafia target weak players, those weak players still have logs of the agenda the mason is pushing on them. It is incredibly useful to have someone to bounce ideas off of in private, even if you don't know their alignment. In addition, it generates additional information that isn't available in the thread. 2) We don't know the role distribution. It is just as likely that there are 4 town masons and 0 scum masons as it is that there are 2 town masons and 2 scum masons. For people saying there isn't a downside to a mass mason claim, of course there is. Mafia now has the identities of additional blue roles. Why am I the only one making any sense at the moment? | ||
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On January 14 2012 07:01 Jayjay54 wrote: Man, don't worry about it, you're fine <3 I am just glad that I joined and having some fun here I guess we agree that a powerful town mason can most certainly find scum. I guess we also agree that a powerful scum mason can cause a lot of destruction. Town already has a percentage where he ends up PMing town. And the whole mafia thread backs up every PM to prevent scumslips. Mafia ends up PMing 100% a townie and they will not choose the good players, because they know that they would be at risk. They talk to weaker players and there's a good chance that things are screwed up or a role is found. So again, I think scum mason > town mason and I stand by that, even if I was never involved in such a game. It's just the way my logic sees it. You say, BC can be deadly as town and you're right. Yet he chooses to give away this advantage, because he thinks scum PMs are too strong and even makes it a priority topic. Also, mafia would never mason him, because he's a strong player. What you're overlooking is that a scum mason Palmar probably isn't going to be masoning Macpo, he is likely going to want to talk to bugs or sandroba. The people who are going to be targeted by masons are experienced players because those are the people it is most beneficial to bounce ideas off of. If experienced scum A is masoned with experienced town B, town has the advantage. If we learn that Foolishness is masoning random noob x and secretly trying to role fish and convince him to vig shoot a likely townie, well then he has to risk having the incriminating logs posted against him later on. | ||
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On January 14 2012 14:31 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I feel like Palmar definitely hasn't been the most useless this day. Those who want to kill off Palmar based on his Meta should be waiting far past just day 1. I'm pretty sure everyone has had a day or two where they can't play much. Lynching Palmar at this point is like lynching a lurker. Could you clarify this post Sheth? Which of his posts would you consider useful? Unless his play improves tomorrow, I'd consider pushing for a Palmar lynch. Here is his mindframe as town: On November 23 2011 00:04 Palmar wrote: I consider myself to have failed terribly if I don't agree with the person who is lynched on day 1. That means someone other than me played better than me, and explained his arguments in a way that better related to town. So that means I lost. And I lose all the time. Someone brought up Cosmic Horror Mafia. I lost an argument there on day 1, and we no-lynched. That was my fault. He cares about who is lynched and wants to be the one to decide who dies. Compare this to his current mindframe: On January 13 2012 18:34 Palmar wrote: I have no intentions of running for mayor or caring much about the mayor elections. I'm probably going to be voting VisceraEyes, depending on how dumb he will be through the day. Numerous people have mentioned that anyone suspecting Palmar is pushing an easy target. If a player is blatantly unwilling to contribute to town discussion, when he has a reputation of being extremely competitive and caring about day one, why give him a free pass? Because a scum Palmar would try harder? I'm not sure that is necessarily the case. On November 10 2011 18:55 Palmar wrote: Given the current hesitation of TL's scum to do anything other than just lurk and pray they can't be found out, the incorrect move in the situation is to lynch GM. If we however can stop for a second and allow us to imagine a world where TL scum doesn't suck, where they do random shit just for the hell of it and to fuck with town Bedtime. I'll try to comment on Prot's case and who I think should be lynched tomorrow. | ||
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On January 14 2012 15:29 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Hes probably posted more original content with those "No thats stupid" sort of comments then myself. How so? His only "that's stupid" posts have been in response to people questioning why he isn't posting. How do you consider this original content? This response is cringe worthy. [B]On January 14 2012 15:29 Liquid`Sheth wrote:[/ @Kitaman I liked his post about Cyrandor. Hes also called some people out for doing things I felt was stupid as well. Who are these people that is calling out? You're really stretching it here. It's fine if you don't believe Palmar should be lynched, but why are you trying to pass off his posts as contributions when they clearly aren't? Even Palmar himself wouldn't say he has posted original content with a straight face. | ||
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Can the OP be updated with the correct deadline? | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:03 kitaman27 wrote: Sorry guys, the OP has the incorrect deadline and I was catching up on the thread thinking I would have more time. I'm around page 62, but I'm voting BM because he is the strongest town read I have at the moment of the post. I'll try to post when I finish reading. Can the OP be updated with the correct deadline? Err nevermind. Apparently it is listed as EDT, rather than EST for some reason -_- | ||
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In regards to the VE jack claim, I'm uncomfortable that he followed through with pressuring the town to elect him based on the claim. He just called BC scummy for the same reason moments earlier. On January 14 2012 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote: BC, I consider your claim to be scummy for this reason: you're essentially leveraging your role to win you this election. Discuss. On January 15 2012 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote: L, I'll prove I'm Jack by shooting tonight and Masoning you tomorrow then. That's my plan. The goal of your role is not to prove you are jack. That means very little to us. Your objective is to do what most benefits town. I strongly disagree with a mason. I'm not even sure why you would consider that over a shot, vet or a medic protect from a town perspective. Foolishness, your election vote confuses me. You open up the game explaining how you would be supporting BM, explaining how he has something to prove and would be easy to read. Initially, I was opposed to this thinking he would only serve as a distraction to the thread and the game would revolve around his mayorship. After BM started posting reasonable, rather than following up with your support for him, you swap to BC instead. Not only do you not comment on Prot's case against BC, you don't explain why you dropped your support of BM. BM, you indicate that you have a strong town read on him due to the trolling, but I ask that you at least consider the alternative, considering he has trolled in scum games as well. p4NDemik's motives seem questionable. I'm curious why he made your town list BM. His entire focus on day one is selecting a mayoral candidate and doesn't mention who he is suspicious of or would like to get lynched. Lanaia is asking a bunch of questions about things that aren't all that relevant to the game. If she were town, I would think there are some more important things to be wondering about. I still dislike Sheth's defense of Palmar. I feel as if he was playing up Palmar's contributions with knowledge that he is town. I'm interested in hearing others opinions on that series of posts. bugs concerns me because he was so focused on Palmar, that he didn't seem very interested on commenting on anything else. From seeing his play in couples and responsibility, he has no reservations about pushing lynches with 100% confidence, having them flip town, and then moving onto his next target. On January 15 2012 12:02 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm pretty sure scum want BM in office over BC. Which probably means BC is town. Kita is scum. dat bitch. This is quite the leap in logic. Scum prefer BM over BC (?) Therefore BC is town (??) Hence, Kita is scum (???) Even after making no posts during the first 48 hours BrownBear still hasn't commented on anything. Surely you have some opinions, even if you aren't able to vote for a candidate? hiro, I'd like you hear your thoughts tonight. erandorr hasn't done anything to make me think he was town, so you should try to change my mind. I could go on about others, but I don't really have the time and I'm not sure how helpful it would even be. I'm much more confident on my town list than my suspects, but posting it doesn't seem very beneficial at this time. I'll try to narrow down the scum targets and make more of a real case against someone during the day cycle. | ||
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On January 16 2012 12:56 kingjames01 wrote: Do you have a read on a second player? Double lynches wouldn't be put into effect until day three if we pass it on day two, if I understand correctly. I agree that a double lynch is a good idea however. I'll have to post tomorrow regarding the lynch since I have to get some sleep. Masons feel free to give me a ring | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:06 Protactinium wrote: It does not matter who is posting. A shared account is a shared account. It is not two voices battling for dominance. It is one voice with one opinion. Could you acknowledge that you have read my request from 10 minutes ago? | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:58 Protactinium wrote: Its not relevant. I'm not responding because its not relevant. Can we please ask relevant questions instead of pestering people for irrelevant details? Nothing against you personally, but I can't be responding to everything. We all need to focus on what's important, which is figuring out this lynch. Of course it is relevant. It was a request to determine if you are playing a two person game with your partner, in which you would have logs to provide, or a hivemind game with 10 players, in which you would not. I would think that you would be willing to exchange 1 post of "irrelevant" information in order to help support your innocence, but apparently that is not the case. Anyways, back in a bit. | ||
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BM, there has been quite a drop off in your play from day one to day two. Do you honestly believe it is easier to identify a scum that will be shooting than it is to identify a town that will be shot? No more nonsense with your sheriff role please. I feel it was a poor decision to share the bodyguard identities, that will only lead to problems down the road. Your focus on masons concerns me and I'm having difficulty following you at times. bugs, your current vote explanation is extremely weak. What happened to the Scamp case? On January 17 2012 06:18 Slardar wrote: I never said let's not scumhunt Yet that's what your actions say. Do you care who gets lynched or are you just along for the ride? There are people in this game that have been so irrelevant, they're not even worthy of being brought up as lurkers. Cwave, BrownBear (?!), Munk-E, Slardar, rtgICEMAN, Maxella, igabod (or whoever his replacement was). You guys are harming the game by not playing. If you don't contribute, we're eventually going to get to a point where all the active players have been killed off and the only way to distinguish players is whether they made two posts or three. If your name is listed and you are town, please don't disappoint. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are my thoughts about my lynch preference for today, L. He never mentions a serious lynch candidate on day one. That is not one of his priorities. His entire focus is on the election and discussing other trivial matters. His approach to the election is not to comment on the election candidates or share his opinion on them as individuals, but to discredit them in a broad sense. He explains numerous times how there is probably a scum within the frontrunners, but never indicates which one. He apparently has no opinion on BC's mason fiasco, nor ever mentions the campaigns of prot or BM. In addition, you go out of your way to discredit Foolishness on numerous occasions. Instead of selecting one of the frontrunners, he supports VE with the following statement: On January 15 2012 06:23 L wrote: I'll vote for you if you figure out a snazzy plan to confirm that you aren't bullshitting about your role. Obviously role has nothing to do with alignment. You even reference this fact later on in one of your posts. The goal of the Jack is not to confirm his role. Any means of attempting to confirm his role only takes away from his ability to use his role in a pro-town fashion. Now on to your first actual scum suspect: On January 16 2012 23:32 L wrote: 2) Short end of the stick is that Kurumi crumbed shooting Kenpachi yesterday and he's still alive. I wanted to wait to see if he'd claim being hit, but he hasn't. Veterans/Medic protected individuals on the town side would have claimed this asap. Kenpachi wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Given all of that, the only way I can explain him being alive after Kurumi's flip is that Kurumi's pretty overt crumb was a lie (odd, given that kurumi WAS a vig), or that Kenpachi is the mafia jack, or was saved by the mafia jack. So uh, Kenpachi's my lynch vote for the day. Essentially your entire argument comes down to Kurumi hinted that he might shoot Kenpachi. I find it incredibly odd that you have decided that it is more likely that Kenpachi was saved by the mafia jack, than it is for kurumi to have not shot last night. From my perspective, if the mafia team was truly worried about kurumi shooting kenpachi, they don't waste a JACK ability, they bury the roleblock with the kurumi hit. Essentially your explanation is that mafia decided to give up a kp (Jack role use) in exchange for being able to roleblock you. That's not something I buy. ##Vote L | ||
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On January 17 2012 14:57 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...I'm sorry, but don't jacks get two ability uses, and only able to use each ability once? And your saying knowing if a vig hit was targeted at a mafia would be bad for a mafia and a waste of a jack power to use it to protect the mafia? Or am I just reading this wrong...if you could just clarify what you're trying to say here....because I think it'd be far better for the mafia to if they protected one of there own, and try and roleblock someone else during the night...The vig would become a regular townie the next day. But I could be mistaken. Although it makes L trying to find out VE's "vig target" earlier more in line with what you were saying. Essentially L's explanation is that it is more likely that kenpachi was saved by a Jack than it is that kurumi did not shoot kenpachi. However, this means that instead of roleblocking kurumi, they decided to waste one of their two joat abilities. This is not a logical move and my case is based on L unwilling to consider the alternatives. | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Foolishness, Protact/Incog, or BC. Get in this thread and start pushing your chosen candidate or I'm going to go back and vote GGQ. I expected you guys to try and lead this thread, however if you're unwilling or unable then the thread will derp (as it is now). At least when I'm pushing someone the thread has direction, right now everyone and their grandma is screaming scum at someone else. What is your opinion on my chosen candidate Meapak? You mention L has been playing similar to Responsibility Mafia. Do you agree he is scummy and worthy of your vote? | ||
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The assumption that there was a scum mayoral candidate among BC, BM, and prot may be likely, but its not set in stone. If you think one of the players is scummy, build a case. The following argument is not logically sound: BC and prot look town, therefore BM must be scum. At this point, I strongly question why a mayoral candidate needs to be lynched, while there are several other better alternatives. However, if BM comes out saying he has jailed random player with 3 posts x as his strongest scum suspect, hold him accountable. Remember his reasoning for protecting Lanaia is 100% invalid. It was not possible to reduce the scum kp on night one. As mafia, if BM were town, I would doublestack/withhold a kp/claim a hit tonight. By hiding the kp, you incriminate the sheriff target. Keep the possibility in the back of your mind. There is too much focus on the same 5-6 players. We may have done a good job at pulling for two scum kills, but we have not done a good job at drawing out all players to contribute. There is no incentive to actively post as scum currently because there are so many other players that have failed to contribute. I still support an L lynch tomorrow. As for the other candidate, I'll have to take another look through the thread, but we don't necessarily have to go after two high profile targets. Opz, if you are willing, I'd enjoy a mason chat. | ||
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On January 19 2012 15:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You/protact have correctly called out enough scum that if you guys really think Bill is scum I'll go with it Weak. | ||
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On January 14 2012 19:34 Bill Murray wrote: Are people open to me lynching a mason claim if I come into office? If so, I'll be lynching OpZ or Mattchew. On January 15 2012 15:46 Bill Murray wrote: That fucking sucks Matt got modkilled. He was pretty confirmed with his masoning of Foolishness in my eyes. Uhh, what happened here? He goes from one of your lynch candidates to confirmed town without any reference in between? + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2012 16:25 Bill Murray wrote: I have a towntell on someone, as well to top shit off On January 13 2012 16:26 Bill Murray wrote: I have a legitimate towntell from someone else On January 17 2012 11:53 Bill Murray wrote: I have a confirmed town, too, pretty much On January 17 2012 20:29 Bill Murray wrote: kita, in regards to your list of lurkers, I view two of them as town for certain reasons What is the point of these generic "towntell" posts. Do you think they benefit the thread or do they only serve to make you look good? On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote: WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP Could you explain your reasoning at this point? Here is the mafia kp chart: KP - # 4 - 10 4 - 9 4 - 8 3 - 7 On night 1, there were ten mafia alive. Therefore to lower the kp, you would have to jail three different scum players. I'm pretty sure that's not possible. On January 17 2012 20:20 Bill Murray wrote: I know Lanaia from IRC, if she's town she's a great scumhunter Jailing foolishness is a waste when he's definitely going to be protected by a doctor You clarify it here. So you're protecting her because you thought she was town? I thought it was to reduce the scum kp? Wasn't she on your scum list? Could you please elaborate on your intentions? On January 17 2012 12:35 Bill Murray wrote: Ok, guys, I've passed on the names of the BGs to the 2 masons that masoned me the other guy townslipped in PMs with me Why are you so trusting with something as important as the BG names? So now you're claiming madhatter because you want one more day to live. Who is your bomb on? You can't be roleblocked, so there is no harm in revealing. | ||
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For the second lynch, I'll have to take a stronger look after class. | ||
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With the BM situation, when you're scum and you know you're getting lynched, the ideal move is to always role claim to buy time. BM is currently threatening the town, stating that if we kill him off, "he is going to take one of our strongest scum hunters with him". Under the assumption that scum will always role claim to avoid the lynch, I feel people should be unvoting him if they think he is town or hope to utilize the sheriff ability, not because of his threat. | ||
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On January 13 2012 14:49 bumatlarge wrote: AND PLEASE MASON ME. I'll live with not being the mayor, but I love me some masons. Don't worry I'm not infected this game. Then I can share with you my knowledge. Also, I may or may not be batman this game, I feel a surge of confidence after winning the last game. On January 13 2012 15:57 bumatlarge wrote: Mason Favorite role, I kind of laugh when I see mafia masons, as they are not good at all. It's basically more work for mafia to convince people in the thread and then in PMs. Still be wary. There is a lot of mindgames in PMs, but nothing is as cool as being sure the other person is town. It's basically like a mini-game of mafia. Give each other analysis, and plan out what you will do with the other person. Better yet, mason me and we will a force to be reckoned with. | ||
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On January 22 2012 11:41 wherebugsgo wrote: why have you done next to nothing for the past...I dunno...ever? You think I'm scum bugs? | ||
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Here are my mason logs with opz. I was leaning scum on him so I requested him as a mason partner. Based on the conversation, nothing has really changed. I'll try to make a more detailed post tomorrow. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From ~OpZ~: ....Well you see....I wanted to shoot you but Bill Murray took the gun from me. KERPOW. My thoughts on the game right now? I've read up until I last posted because I'm fed up with myself, clicked the page with the number gap, seen you asked me to mason you, seen who died, and the lynch and went to work. So I've read page, 124/5/6 but I only know the game from page 101? Two people I'd like to see lynched the most? VE. JayJay's post on page 137 with the terrible quotes. I really like it. Followed by VE asking Jackal if its okay he puts him on his lynch list? -__- I read on one of those pages after that Jackal claimed he shot L by that point or am I confused, I gotta actually read the thread from where I stopped. And I'd look at scamp if I were you. Aren't tabs just the most wonderful things ever? btw. I was just perusing the thread. Your post on Bill Murray sucks. Or I'm just reading impaired. [13:14] <opz> sir 01[13:14] <kitaman27> hey <3 01[13:14] <kitaman27> sec, let me get out of bed :p 01[13:18] <kitaman27> mmk back 01[13:19] <kitaman27> who did you mason on day two? I forget [13:21] <opz> bum, but we didn't talk besides my initial message to him 01[13:22] <kitaman27> ah [13:22] <opz> I didn't even talk to BC much [13:22] <opz> or you 01[13:22] <kitaman27> heh 01[13:24] <kitaman27> you mentioned I should be looking at scamp, any reason in particular? [13:28] <opz> More than a few posts by him are worthless, and not pushing an issue, or even giving his opinion, just looking through his filter is enough you don't even need to see the content. He seemed to of flown under the radar. 01[13:29] <kitaman27> any reason you haven't brought him up yourself? [13:31] <opz> That's simple, I haven't been around and hadn't never given him a look. I'm only messaging you while I'm looking for something to do for my kinda gf's birthday 01[13:32] <kitaman27> [13:32] <opz> My job wants me to come in to work today again -_-... 01[13:33] <kitaman27> evil 01[13:33] <kitaman27> don't they realize you have mafia duties to attend to? [13:33] <opz> -_- [13:33] <opz> I was scheduled off 5 days, which pissed me off, but then they call me in every day -_- 01[13:33] <kitaman27> ouch [13:33] <opz> I thought I'd have time....plenty of time 01[13:34] <kitaman27> meapak, prot, foolishness, bm, bc...any of them stick out as scum to you? [13:34] <opz> BC's recent posts have been poor (from what I've seen from 120ish to 168) [13:35] <opz> I wouldn't say he's scum, but he's ruining my strong view of him as town... 01[13:35] <kitaman27> do you think this logs with sandroba were fake? [13:35] <opz> Foolishness probably isn't scum [13:36] <opz> That's the kicker Kita [13:36] <opz> I don't think he could fake THAT much [13:37] <opz> I actually read them 01[13:38] <kitaman27> how do you feel about the timing of his day one mason claim? He says it wasn't an attempt to get elected, but what did it actually accomplish? [13:40] <opz> Honestly...I don't think much was going on in the thread when he through it out there. It seems like too much attention for a mafia to want to bring to himself. And I feel like its a worthless role. Why not? [13:41] <opz> your opinion? [13:41] <opz> Your not giving me any opinion kita 01[13:41] <kitaman27> Maybe you haven't earned my opinion! 01[13:42] <kitaman27> How about BM? Do you still think he is town? [13:45] <opz> lmao [13:45] <opz> fuck this Session Close: Sat Jan 21 13:51:00 2012 Session Start: Sat Jan 21 13:52:11 2012 Session Ident: opz [13:52] Session Ident: opz (QuakeNet, kitaman27) (~chatzilla@c-98-244-187-183.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) [13:52] <opz> unless scamp is confirmed and I missed it, his post on WBG -_- 01[13:52] <kitaman27> haha wb :p [13:54] <opz> "*insert some petty name calling to start an argument in thread* I wanna say he's scum *yadaddadadadadaaa*...but hes probably town" 01[13:55] <kitaman27> nothing against you, but there are only 2-3 people I would trust with my opinions at this point. I'll definitely listen to anything you have to say though 01[13:55] <kitaman27> who do you plan to mason tonight? [13:56] <opz> Quid Pro Quo, Clarice 01[13:58] <kitaman27> Unfortunately I got shot with no counterclaim, was the first person to bring up Macpo and made the strongest case against L. There is more reason for you to trust me than there is for me to trust you 01[13:58] <kitaman27> If you don't have a town read on me, then you're not obligated to share your opinion [13:59] <opz> yea, but I find talking with nothing being said in reverse to be rather boring and unfulfilling 01[13:59] <kitaman27> I think jackal is town 01[13:59] <kitaman27> your turn [14:00] <opz> lmao, I concur with that sentiment. I think Cwave doesn't post. 01[14:01] <kitaman27> We already have evidence that L was refusing to reply to masons, why do you think bum would refuse to talk with you? [14:02] <opz> Good question 01[14:02] <kitaman27> seems like something you might want to question in the thread. 01[14:04] <kitaman27> Earlier you mentioned VE as a person to lynch, have you changed your mind? [14:07] <opz> Actually...VE's been posting good [14:08] <opz> I had to read some shit just not [14:08] <opz> now* [14:08] <opz> he's a lil hectic tho....a more tame BillMurray? 01[14:08] <kitaman27> lol yikes [14:09] <opz> ...Lol...Sheer post count I think supports that, and almost all his posts are his thoughts at that second, and they change rather frequently 01[14:09] <kitaman27> heh true [14:10] <opz> I don't like how he has more then a few posts asking mod questions -_- 01[14:10] <kitaman27> heh I hate when scum ask mods questions they know the answer to as an attempt to gain town cred 01[14:11] <kitaman27> There were 4 shots and no vig claims, which makes it likely that the mafia jack shot last night, unless VE/toad was lying about their hit claims. [14:12] <opz> didn't two vigis die? 01[14:12] <kitaman27> yes, but neither claimed a shot [14:12] <opz> ...i'm confused... [14:12] <opz> why would they claim it before they shot? 01[14:13] <kitaman27> as in at the 10:00 deadline where mafia can't change their actions 01[14:13] <kitaman27> sheth knows enough to do this based on responsibility mafia 01[14:13] <kitaman27> not sure about adam though [14:15] <opz> Ew Kita [14:15] <opz> I hate how that sounded...That sounds like intentionally abusing a system 01[14:15] <kitaman27> lol that has happened in 95% of the games in the last year 01[14:15] <kitaman27> jackal did it with his L shot [14:16] <opz> I never noticed then, but damn...Sorry man, my moral compass points the other way tho [14:17] <opz> which is why I wanted to smack BC when I first masoned him and he wouldn't respond 01[14:17] <kitaman27> heh 01[14:17] <kitaman27> its weird that we haven't seen signs of a mafia roleblocker yet 01[14:17] <kitaman27> I'm having trouble believing they don't have one 01[14:18] <kitaman27> which means they are probably burrying it in their hits [14:18] <opz> um...still...They both might not of known that is what they are "supposed" to do 01[14:19] <kitaman27> sheth posted vigs shouldn't be shooting in the thread on night two and adam never hinted at being suspicious of either 01[14:20] <kitaman27> any particular reason why you masoned bum over L on day two? Didn't you vote L for mayor? [14:21] <opz> Do I have to mason everyone I vote for? [14:21] <opz> -_- 01[14:21] <kitaman27> nope, just curious [14:23] <opz> I'm about to go to work 01[14:23] <kitaman27> mmk have fun 01[14:23] <kitaman27> Nice chatting with you Session Close: Sat Jan 21 14:25:23 2012 As for p4's case against BC, the only reason I wouldn't push a mayoral lynch would be his pms logs with sandro. Back in pypi, the first thing me and sandro did as scum buddies was to create a fake conversation, so it isn't out of the question they could be fake. We spent 40 minutes creating logs that weren't even used in the game. Looking through the logs between sandro and BC, that looks at least 3 hours of conversation that is essentially about nonsense if they are both scum. For this reason, I'm not willing to lynch him before the four above names have flipped. + Show Spoiler + [16:36] <sandroba> hey [16:36] <kitaman27_> sup [16:36] <sandroba> who do you plan on supporting for mayor? [16:36] <sandroba> have you decided yet? [16:37] <kitaman27_> probably mig, but for pardoner, not mayor [16:37] <sandroba> how are you going to acomplish that [16:38] <sandroba> lol [16:38] <sandroba> every person only has one vote [16:38] <sandroba> isn't pardoner the runner up? [16:38] <kitaman27_> heh well syllo told me that mig wants pardoner too [16:38] <kitaman27_> so we can coordinate so he gets second [16:38] <kitaman27_> who do you want? Not jimbo I assume? [16:39] <sandroba> I'm voting mig [16:39] <sandroba> don't care if pardoner or mayor [16:39] <sandroba> I was hoping I could elect both [16:39] <kitaman27_> what about mig makes you want to vote for him? [16:39] <sandroba> well there is plenty of our shit in the thread already [16:39] <sandroba> I'm kinda tired of repeating myself over 2000x times [16:40] <kitaman27_> I saw the reason for syllo. Is it just by association? [16:40] <sandroba> but basically I have my own reasons to trust him [16:40] <sandroba> and yes [16:40] <sandroba> I trust syllo's judgment too [16:40] <sandroba> as I'm positive he is town [16:40] <kitaman27_> Do you think jimbo's analysis against you is scum motivated or is he just wrong? [16:41] <sandroba> man [16:41] <sandroba> I can't wrap around my head [16:41] <sandroba> any townie motivations for posting that shit [16:42] <sandroba> I've argued plenty about it on thread [16:42] <sandroba> I thought my opinion was clear [16:42] <kitaman27_> if you had to suggest 1 person to mig to lynch, would it be jimbo? Or is there somebody else? [16:42] <kitaman27_> *for [16:42] <sandroba> I'm kinda undecided [16:42] <sandroba> but leaning chaoser [16:42] <sandroba> between him and chaoser [16:43] <sandroba> on the off chance jimbo is town and has an awesome role [16:43] <kitaman27_> lol chaoser seems to be a popular name from what I've heard [16:43] <kitaman27_> what about chaoser makes him scummy? [16:43] <sandroba> plenty [16:44] <sandroba> the convos we had in skype [16:44] <sandroba> are pretty damn near impossible to be from a townie perspective [16:44] <kitaman27_> anything in particular? [16:44] <sandroba> first [16:45] <sandroba> let's hear what you think about him [16:45] <kitaman27_> But I asked first [16:45] <sandroba> as I can never tell if you are scum or not [16:45] <kitaman27_> I'm never scum ^_^ [16:45] <sandroba> you sneaky snake [16:45] <sandroba> you asked plenty already [16:45] <sandroba> your turn to answer =P [16:46] <kitaman27_> I've only had one major conversation asking his input about foolishness, where he was extremely careful in the way he responded [16:46] <sandroba> that's weird [16:46] <kitaman27_> overall it just seems like he has been unwilling to accuse anybody of anything yet [16:46] <sandroba> cuz foolishness also thinks he is scum [16:47] <kitaman27_> I haven't seen signs of him actively scum hunting yet [16:47] <kitaman27_> lol don't get me started on my chat with foolishness [16:47] <kitaman27_> strange to say the least [16:47] <kitaman27_> but not sure if its necessarily scum motivated [16:47] <kitaman27_> your turn [16:47] <kitaman27_> why chaoser? [16:48] <sandroba> I was trying to convince him to step down [16:48] <sandroba> as you can see in thread [16:49] <sandroba> and then told him my motives to believe syllo is town [16:49] <sandroba> he trusted it so much [16:49] <sandroba> that he deemed it cheating [16:49] <sandroba> and pm'ed gm about it [16:49] <sandroba> when gm said that was not cheating [16:49] <sandroba> he back pedalled and concluded "you must be lying then" [16:50] <sandroba> I proved to him that running against mig was a bad idea if he was town [16:50] <sandroba> and he acused me of being heavy handed [16:50] <kitaman27_> If he really wanted mayor, I would think he would be campaigning way more heavily [16:50] <sandroba> forcing him to step down [16:50] <sandroba> that screams of fear to me [16:50] <kitaman27_> kinda like radfield [16:50] <sandroba> he later [16:50] <sandroba> agreed to step down lol [16:51] <kitaman27_> hmm [16:51] <sandroba> i have the logs [16:51] <sandroba> but it's like 10 pages long [16:52] <kitaman27_> I'll take a look if you wanna pm them to me [16:52] <sandroba> he is scum though [16:52] <kitaman27_> I've got nothing better to do [16:52] <sandroba> k I guess there is no harm [16:52] <sandroba> even if you are scum [16:52] <sandroba> =P [16:52] <sandroba> do you suspect anyone so far? [16:53] <sandroba> brb that shit is long [16:53] <kitaman27_> k [16:53] <kitaman27_> I've been trying to exchange pms with heist and its been really tough to get anything out of him. [16:53] <sandroba> k sent [16:53] <kitaman27_> ty :D [16:54] <sandroba> lol [16:54] <sandroba> is heist even playing [16:54] <sandroba> man [16:54] <kitaman27_> barely -_- [16:54] <sandroba> too many people are hiding hardcore [16:54] <sandroba> radfield just had to remind me foolishness was playing [16:54] <kitaman27_> lol I think there are a couple people who haven't even posted yet [16:54] <sandroba> so I talked to him the first time today [16:54] <kitaman27_> how did that go? [16:54] <sandroba> despite having in on skype lol [16:55] <sandroba> he basically trolled me [16:55] <sandroba> and gave me nothing [16:55] <kitaman27_> -_- [16:55] <kitaman27_> sounds familiar [16:56] <sandroba> ... [16:56] <sandroba> he claims he wants to "survive night one" [16:56] <sandroba> cool [16:56] <sandroba> to acomplish what is my question [16:56] <sandroba> he is pick 25 [16:56] <kitaman27_> its kinda strange that he wants to survive yet doesn't run for mayor, even though he could win it blindfolded [16:56] <sandroba> if he is townie [16:57] <sandroba> he will have no cred by day2 =/ [16:57] <sandroba> then even if he does a great job [16:57] <kitaman27_> I asked him his reasoning for voting mig and he said it was because mig was the smallest threat to town [16:57] <sandroba> it doesn't matter [16:57] <sandroba> well [16:57] <sandroba> if he is voting mig [16:57] <sandroba> then I don't care right now [16:58] <kitaman27_> lol well you might be outta luck [16:58] <kitaman27_> after jimbo's post, he seemed to have changed his mind [16:58] <sandroba> how come? [16:58] <sandroba> ... [16:58] <kitaman27_> he said "Jimbo was the only one who understood how this game works" [16:58] <kitaman27_> yet didn't really mention anything about you in particular [16:59] <kitaman27_> He did try to suggest kenpachi has a defensive role at 2, so at least that gives him some town points [17:01] <kitaman27_> anyways, I'll bbl [17:01] <kitaman27_> ttyl [17:01] <sandroba> sorry [17:01] <sandroba> I was talking to wbg [17:02] <sandroba> k ttyl then | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I think a tad is being too kind -_- Pyp3 i was one of the most arrogant dbags in the world. +1 | ||
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BM has been given the sheriff role, the strongest town role and has used it as following: Night one: Jailing Lanaia. He has a red read on Lanaia and explained that he was trying to reduce mafia kp. The problem? It was impossible to reduce mafia kp on day one by jailing a red. Night two: No jail. On this night, he was a detective + medic, due to the way the kp formula worked. He was instructed to jail L, the mafia godfather, which would have reduced the mafia kp and outed their godfather as scum. Targeting any of the eight remaining mafia would have reduced the kp and outed the target as scum. Targeting a town would have protected them from any potential hits and strongly point towards their innocence if the mafia kp was not affected. Night three: No jail. BM is on the chopping block and essentially the one thing he can do to redeem himself is to block a mafia kp. Why isn't he jailing a strong town read? For all we know, he could be the one responsible for the hiro roleblock. He calls prot scum, yet apparently is removing the bomb from him? If BM is the lynch target and mafia has no reason to believe that prot no longer has a bomb on him, why are they shooting prot last night? As for the ggq shot, I think it was pretty clear prot got a green check on him. hiro, I really don't understand why you would withhold a check if you're an outed dt. They may be clean in your eyes, but you have no idea how things will turn out days from now. You really should be crumbing your clean check before the next day post. | ||
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On January 24 2012 06:36 Jayjay54 wrote: hey kita / opz. any chance you can post that log? Page 171. BrownBear, any reason you haven't said anything this game? You have 15 out of 4000 posts and that's counting the spam and /ins. The things you do decide to comment on are strange, considering all the more important topics. Are you just waiting until you have to argue out of a lynch or do you actually plan to start playing 250 hours into the game? | ||
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Opz wrote: btw. I was just perusing the thread. Your post on Bill Murray sucks. Or I'm just reading impaired. I felt this was the weirdest comment made by opz. He calls the following post "bad", but doesn't explain why. I think they seem like pretty legitimate questions. Does he have knowledge that BM will flip town or something? + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2012 07:52 kitaman27 wrote: Would you please respond to these few remarks BM? Thanks. Uhh, what happened here? He goes from one of your lynch candidates to confirmed town without any reference in between? + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2012 16:25 Bill Murray wrote: I have a towntell on someone, as well to top shit off On January 13 2012 16:26 Bill Murray wrote: I have a legitimate towntell from someone else On January 17 2012 11:53 Bill Murray wrote: I have a confirmed town, too, pretty much On January 17 2012 20:29 Bill Murray wrote: kita, in regards to your list of lurkers, I view two of them as town for certain reasons What is the point of these generic "towntell" posts. Do you think they benefit the thread or do they only serve to make you look good? Could you explain your reasoning at this point? Here is the mafia kp chart: KP - # 4 - 10 4 - 9 4 - 8 3 - 7 On night 1, there were ten mafia alive. Therefore to lower the kp, you would have to jail three different scum players. I'm pretty sure that's not possible. You clarify it here. So you're protecting her because you thought she was town? I thought it was to reduce the scum kp? Wasn't she on your scum list? Could you please elaborate on your intentions? Why are you so trusting with something as important as the BG names? So now you're claiming madhatter because you want one more day to live. Who is your bomb on? You can't be roleblocked, so there is no harm in revealing. | ||
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It should be noted that if mafia doesn't have a roleblocker, it is very likely the rb was on hiro, if he is indeed our dt. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:12 kitaman27 wrote: Props to BM for earning himself an extra day of life and causing a mislynch with his silly claim :p It should be noted that if mafia doesn't have a roleblocker, it is very likely the rb was on hiro, if he is indeed our dt. Err by rb, I mean sheriff jail. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:24 hiro protagonist wrote: nope, I asked FW about this, If someone is jailed, they get a message saying they are incarcerated. They get a message that they where roleblocked if they are roleblocked. So mafia still has a roleblocker, as I was told I was roleblocked, not incarcerated. Is your night two check still alive? | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:33 bumatlarge wrote: I never masoned anyone. I got the ability at the end of day 1, so it would be tough to explain. It was pretty funny how opz told me that you never replied to his initial mason pm and BAM you show up with a set of pms :p | ||
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The mass mason claim was a headache for town. Really made the mafia's blue sniping easier by narrowing down the list of potential blues. | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:11 Protactinium wrote: If you just sacrifice some KP to stack Foolishness/me, its pretty much GG as town is left headless/off trying to do their own thing. Well bum and opz were outed scum due to the pm slip, so after the double lynch things were going to be pretty grim. They could have played longterm with their three remaining players, but with 1-2 kp, 3 medics, and a slew of townie-looking players I don't think its anywhere close to GG. | ||
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