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Mad Hatter [...] bombs. If you are killed the same night you lay a bomb, will your bomb explode? Medic You will know if you saved the person. The person will know if he was saved. [...] A medic can protect someone the night she/he gets killed. They won't be notified of their save though, since they are dead. Does this mean that if a medic is killed on the night of a successful save, their target won't be notified of their save, or the dead medic won't be notified? Sheriff [...] Incarcerated players cannot use any powers the night they are incarcerated. If a mafia is incarcerated, they do not contribute to the determination of Mafia KP (Kill Power), so Mafia KP may be lowered. Is the town notified of incarcerations, or only the targeted player? Are players informed of their incarceration before night actions are determined, as in right when the night starts? If not, how does Mafia KP work if the KP is lowered unexpectedly; who escapes death? | ||
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On January 13 2012 16:18 Nisani201 wrote: All the mayor candidates suck. Needlessly negative and broad, don't you think? You could be probing or discussing instead of just commenting apathetically. Any thoughts on the bad candidates? | ||
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I think people confirming is a tradition of some sort? Just to show that they are playing the game. | ||
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kitaman bumatlarge-(also made a post here) Wiggles - town CC Foolishness (for BM) risk.nuke BM BC sandroba VE Meapak Cyber_Cheese and Foolishness comes off to me as most untrustworthy. Quotes in spoilers are marked with red numbers. CC On January 13 2012 14:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote: + Show Spoiler + Cheese for mare! Campaign unofficially endorsed by flamewheel As you all know, my scum play is pretty bad, and I have the time to put into the game to discern the scum from the town. Giving me those extra votes is securing a safe town future. I'm going to lynch the scummiest mayorial candidate, and my vote will go to the person that seems to have the most time to (effectively) put into the game.1 1. Though there isn't anything egregiously wrong with being super generic in campaign post, this post is also very very sparse for a campaign post. This is less of platform than Wiggles' non-platform platform. The "my scum play is bad" nonsense is also suspect. Stating that he intends to lynch a scummy mayorial candidate is interesting, but as it stands, he in essence is just saying "I will lynch a scum, and vote for a pro-town/active person". Not compelling enough for a platform. On January 13 2012 16:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2012 15:08 Adam4167 wrote: Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy. So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture. So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election? No, that was a joke based on his always scum reputation. I will lynch the scummiest candidate.2 On January 13 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote: A couple notes about the set-up: Elected roles gain detection immunity. This makes it worse for us if mafia get into one of these roles, as we have no way to DT check them. It also means that the GF probably won't run for office, or if he does, he'll drop out early. Between the mayor and the sheriff, the sheriff is the one who actually has power past day 1. So, one thing we can do, is vote in a player that we see as both a strong townie, and as being town in this game, into the mayor role solely for the purposes of protection. This applies to the sheriff too, but there's more responsibility on them as the game goes on due to the jailkeeper mechanic. Also something to note, is that we can't trust vig claims, due to the possibility of mafia jack's, who would be able to shoot and not affect what KP would show up that night coming from the mafia. We should also maybe talk about when to use our double lynches, but I don't think it's a huge deal until when the time comes that we might actually want to use them. We just need to be careful not to waste them. Vote me into office, please. I disagree, the mayor still has a fair amount of power as the game gets closer to LYLO. 3 Rather than calling my posts bad, try adding something to the discussion. Are you running for mayor? If so, details. If not, what do you think of the candidates? Also, bum is directing blues already? planning ahead that much seems scummy... 4 One more thing, if anyone was even considering it, don't run for mayor based on being a blue. It gives the scum too much information on day 1, and it could be scum lying. 2.Now that candidates have spoken, I'm interested who CC thinks the "scummiest candidate" is, as atm your posting has been incredibly sparse for a potential candidate. CC is either apathetic or evasive with information, neither of which are favorable for a mayor position at all. 3.Wiggles forgetting that Mayor has 3 votes was already stated in the thread. CC is not only answering only a small snippet of Wiggles' post; his assertion here doesn't really make sense in context of the thread. Why is he psuedo-analyzing Wiggles' post? He is commenting on the most obvious part of Wiggles post... something is just strange here. Also, Mayor's power increases a LOT as LYLO approaches... I don't like how he downplays it. 4.Bum's post isn't inherently scummy but could be construed as such; trying to lead blues astray / gain credit by telling blues what to do can advance a scum agenda, but if you look at bum's post, his blue list is pretty...... tame. It's just general advice; at this early part of the game I don't see how you can see this as scummy. It seems like you are trying to intentionally cast doubt on his position, unfairly. On January 13 2012 18:25 Cyber_Cheese wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote: It is not Foolishness's game I don't see how it is a moot point whatsoever I am not going to create a huge wall post, and sound like a high school football coach cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. At the time I was making that post, you hadn't posted. I made a joke about lynching Wiggles. Bum looked like he was ready to focus the elections around power roles. I was discouraging that situation.5 On January 13 2012 18:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I was debating what to do with my 3k but I couldn’t think up of anything fast enough so this is it  Anyway, I am running for mayor as well. At the moment, I do not most of the mayor candidates. I don’t like Cyber_Cheese because his reasoning for him being mayor is weak in my opinion. Saying that you should be elected because your scum play is bad isn’t very inspiring. His other argument is that he’ll be active (nice trait for a mayor to have but everybody should be active), also he says he’ll lynch the scummiest mayor candidate which I don’t like because one of the mayor candidates may not be the best choice. Yes, being bad at scumplay isn't inspiring. I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced. Everyone *should* be active in theory, but things can come up, and I guarentee that won't happen with me Scum will run for mayor, and more than likely they will be scummier than most of town. If we inspect the candidates closely, we can easily discern at least one.6 5. This feels like weak back pedaling... bum's post doesn't reek election on power; though his blue list is long, he's just stating strategy. 6.Honestly I'm most interested in CC's tone... posting style is very sparse as noted, but the very point-by-point feel to his posts, especially this section, feels like he is trying to put out a minimal amount of information while still trying to sway things a certain way. Posting minimally can be good, but when also trying to get things done... I don't know. It's strange and evasive. Adam, I'm curious if you are still for Cheese. Will make another post on Foolishness and who I like for mayor... this is taking forever lol. | ||
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Meapak is my favorite candidate atm; posts decent reasoning on all of the other candidates, as well as a running mate. Presents good reason why "middling" town players are not as good for mayor. First post is motivating/pressuring a couple pretty well. Candidates who need to post more or make better case IMO: risk.nuke - one post sandroba - one post CC - I don't trust him BM - isn't really saying why he should be mayor/what would he do, other than the fact that he has a scumtell and a towntell. 50+% of people haven't posted yet, let's get ball rolling  | ||
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Regardless, I don't think there are any 3rd party roles. Yeah, there aren't, I checked. I actually agree with your assessment on Nissani... I don't think it's a super strong town tell, but yah. | ||
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On January 13 2012 19:41 Adam4167 wrote: This hasn't been mentioned yet and I think it deserves to be: Electing our best scum hunters so they can use the bodyguards as shields is just inviting the scum to wipe out both of our elected officials after they replace our bodyguards with their own. If they kill both officials on night 1, we'll never know who the scummy bodyguards were and we'll be down 2 of our best scum hunters and both of our elected roles. Id prefer if our best scum hunters didn't run for election, and left their protection in the hands of the sheriff/medic. Hmm... I think provisions can be made against a bodyguard coup like that; I'll refrain from theorycrafting too much, but remember that the elected roles know who are elected as bodyguard. There are enough good scumhunters in this game (presumably) that having some in the powerful/relatively protected positions is a good thing. Saying that they might be shot doesn't really matter when if not mayor/sheriff they also can easily be shot. When killed, do Bodyguards flip as Bodyguard(red or blue), or just Townie/Mafia Role? Sleeping, see you guys later. | ||
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I don't like foolishness but that doesn't mean bm is bad. will return to this again later. Current opinion on BC: wouldn't it have been better to get elected then mason one of your bodyguards? To get a tell on them? You already had a good shot at getting elected... I don't see as this scum though, more like a weird gambit. Posted from phone, will post more later. | ||
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On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote: 5) Echelon I am still waiting for an explanation here. Seriously. Step up. Do I really have to precisely explain how my post style works? Is it REALLY that suspicious that I put a tag there? Think about if I as a mafia would I ever do that; if you really think so then there's nothing I can do to convince you. I said it was a posting mistake immediately after posting it. I don't want to clutter thread up with back and forth talking, as the thread is growing so big, but you seem intent on pushing me on this. | ||
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On January 15 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote: I'm visiting my sis so I'm out for a couple of hours. However I still have a couple of people I have no idea about. I'm just leaving you with a list of 5 or so names and if you see your name on that list I'd like to know who you want to vote for mayor and if you had to decide the first lynch who it would be. I'm only mentioning people I think might read this, so thx if you do: + Show Spoiler + 5. risk.nuke 9. Kenpachi (you won't answer this right?) 11. EchelonTee 14. Liquid`Sheth 20. Ciryandor 49. Scamp turns out I got 6 names instead of only 5 but yeah that's it for now. Still reading through thread, this is on page 52. I would vote for Meapak/BM, lynch Ciry/Palmar. I don't support lynching sandroba or BC. Obviously am not done reading yet. | ||
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On January 15 2012 18:15 Cyber_Cheese wrote: What are your thoughts on: Palmars lynch/WBG, is WBG scummy? No, I don't think WBG is scummy. I was reading through WBG's filter over and over; WBG starts his case on Palmar here, RIGHT after Palmar posts that he isn't interested in running in the election. He sees Palmar not running and is instantly suspicious; whether or not meta is reliable, WBG goes directly on Palmar with pressure. contrast this with this post by zeks, where he's all like "Palmar doing something fishy... hmm I find that moderately suspicious!". Meanwhile, WBG says "palmar is scum bitch" 45 minutes after Palmar says that. I don't feel like WBG enacted a pre-mediated smear campaign on Palmar; he legitimately thought Palmar was scum based off meta and weak posting from Palmar, who had enough time to exonerate himself. Palmars lynch/BC choosing him, did you agree with this? ..............................................I read through BC's filter, but not as extensively as I did on WBG. BC's filter is almost compltely clutterd with mason talk. The question is, when did he decide that Palmar was the correct lynch choice? He only mentions Palmar directly ONCE in this post. A pretty good post, but why didn't he specify that Palmar was his lynch choice earlier. I might've missed it, if I did then excuse me, but BC hardly talked about who he was planning to lynch, save for this, I think. Whether this was because he didn't think he would win election, or some other reason, it still stands that he isn't being fully transparent. BC, why did you decide Palmar was the right choice? BM/BC being the elected pair? I think BM is town. I don't really understand BM's reputation, he was banned, but is he still considered a strong player? Regardless, I like it. BC I don't know. Who would you look into lynching next and why? Macpo, Chaosquo, Ciry. Will go indepth into them later; partly inspired by Foolishness and Palmar. Double Lynch tomorrow? I would say absolutely not, but depending on the situation of the thread it might be tenable... I need to research large games / impact of multiple lynches. Cyber_Cheese, can you link me a game where you were town? I glanced through some of your previous games but they were all scum LOL. Sleeping, laterz | ||
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apologies for my GROSS NEGLIGENCE AND INACTIVITY, reading through everything now. I hope someone pointed out my inactivity... not nearly as much discussion on Day 2 as Day 1, I take some blame. | ||
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On January 17 2012 04:27 rtgICEMAN wrote: At this point i feel like there can be soo many guys suspected as scum, includet me.JayJay's post is rather unusual vague at the end then a realistic post.he says about alot of players then marks sandro as scum.Thought I appreciate his effort for this post, i kinda not agree with its conclusion.I ll keep an eye on GGQ and on lanaia and ill vote someone in the next 12 hours. Does anyone else think that this post is horrendous? It's incredibly neutral, saying that "man there's a lot of people who look scummy, don't know what to do", which is kind of trivializing discussion. and slightly discredits jay's post, and his conclusion that sandro is scum. Eh. Post history is so sparse though; I would be more fervant against him if it wasn't for him being suspicious of Macpo before it was cool to. I don't see him bussing his teammate so early. Any thoughts on him jay? | ||
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On January 18 2012 22:07 Toadesstern wrote: why? I still stand by everything I said: They looked scummy but since they're both lurkers / new players to me they're hard to read. Didn't you try to get GGQ lynched instead? what's the difference here? Why do you mention sandroba or protact but do not mention GGQ? yeah what I said before was stupid, you're wrong. pushing Sandroba is a badly formulated mislynch, budday | ||
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On January 18 2012 11:23 Adam4167 wrote: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2012 05:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Adam4167 (Filter link) Nobody picked up on this. Not sure why it never garnered more discussion. It's fear mongering, to try and not protect the best scum-hunters what? There were, and still are, a ton of options for dealing with this, which could leave town with trading 2 for 2 if both are replaced. There seems to be a huge lack of content. This is his best post to date: + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 20:01 Adam4167 wrote: Filter problems: -glurio’s filter is linked to D3’s. -Jackals filter is linked to glurio’s. Palmars lynch/WBG, is WBG scummy? - Im disappointed that Palmar was yet again made a focus of discussion on day 1, but he was right, there was almost 10 people doing far less then him (incoming modkills), yet he gets flack for it, based solely on his name (meta). - As far as the WBG situation, I can see it going either way, right now he’s null to me but I cant fault him for wanting more out of Palmar, I did too. Palmars lynch/BC choosing him, did you agree with this? -Nope, should have followed his read and hung protactinium. Not that I think Prot is scum, I don’t, otherwise I wouldn’t have voted for him, but if BC is going to be swayed by the loudest voice in the mob, he may as well have just stepped down and let someone else win. I wanted someone who was confident in his reads, not making compromises with his suspicious mason buddy. BM/BC being the elected pair? -Well, I didn’t vote for either of them. Right now I like Bill Murray a whole lot more then I like BC. He’s posting, maintaining a good thread presence, contributing in the discussion. BC’s rash Palmar lynch, which seemingly came out of the blue, has me concerned that it went to the wrong place. Who would you look into lynching next and why? -Right now, I think VE is doing a good job of causing chaos and being a general distraction. I wouldn’t be adverse to him dying, regardless of his retardo jack claim. Palmar thought Ciryandor was scum, and now that we know it was coming from town Palmar, I give it weight. -I want to see what information our modkills bring, plus the nightkills. I am hoping maybe one or two scum get flipped in the modkills or vig fire, then I can start looking for associations. -I’m surprised Erandorr didn’t come under fire for his meta of refusing to play scum, and posting nil this game. I’ll be watching his replacement like a hawk. Double Lynch tomorrow? -Im all for a double lynch tomorrow. Less people shitting up this thread is good because I’m spending 3 hours catching up on this thread after I wake up, then a further couple of hours reading filters (/whine). On a more useful note, increasing our KP is a good idea. I find Jacks and Vigs far less reliable and am much more in favour of democratic scum killing then “I DON’T LIKE WHAT YOURE SAYING, ILL BLOW YOUR FACE OFF CHEESE” kind of ‘scum’ killing. On another note: -I asked GGQ a question, never got an answer. I can only assume he’s read it. His last post said “I’ve only read up to page 57”, and my question was on page 50. Id have really preferred the answer before Palmar was lynched. He’s ended up on Foolishes watch list, and his last post is defending someone on Foolishes scum list, so Ill be keeping an eye on this one for sure. But it only spawned because I specifically asked him about it. Why do you want my opinion on you? If we were both town, How would that help us in any way shape or form? It seems like an 'Am I hiding well?' type question. Shutting down discussion on candidates other than Macpo? My vote is definitely not necessary if we want Macpo lynched. Nice case there cheese /rolleyes That first post you’ve quoted is not fearmongering. That was a strategy discussion and I brought it up to potentially thwart scum knocking off both of our elected officials and some of our best scum hunters. Yes, my filter is lacking, I acknowledge that right here link my friend died in a car accident on the weekend. The only reason I haven’t asked for a replacement is because I know there aren’t any, with close to 10 people getting modkilled. You said it yourself “If we were both town”. I don’t know if you’re town, I’m really doubting it now though. I do find your case on me interesting however, not once do you call me scum. You try to cast doubt on me and construe things in a way that make them look worse then they are. Are you trying to see if your case takes off before you finally come out and say it? Lets see how you answered that post where I asked you about myself and ech: -VE could be town or scum. Thanks for that one Sherlock. -Null on Kenpachi -Null to weak town on kingjames -Null on Echelon -Null on me Are you even trying? On January 18 2012 05:25 wherebugsgo wrote: Oh kill that Adam guy too, he's been saying weird shit for days. Bugs, you want me dead because you think I’m saying ‘weird shit’? I’m here to kill scum, not people who say stuff I don’t agree with. Are you? 1. sorry about your friend. 2. do you really doubt CC is town? I think he's town. I thought you were scum but not quite anymore. 3. who do you want to lynch now? Town direction is skewy. I'm only strong for Chaosquo, don't know about 2nd target yet. | ||
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I thought BM was town for a long time, but I realized I only thought this because he called a bunch of people town, who I also thought were town. Which is utter garbage because that's all he's really done... there's a lot of other weird stuff like having a STRONG TOWN tell on nisani and Adam which makes no sense considering their light post count. His list, which has a number of problems. People mentioned the Lanaia thing; I'm not sure if anyone noticed that he had previously marked Kurumi and OpZ as scum/suspicious here, yet on the list they are Town and Don't Want to Lynch respectively. Weird stuff. Considering Kurumi flipped blue later, and OpZ is on heavy scrutiny now, I could see this as BM trying to 1. show support for kurumi who he knows is going to be shot, and 2. try and give OpZ towncred. I'm down to lynch, but I'd like to see the opinions of people who previously expressed knowledge of the mind of BM. | ||
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On January 19 2012 11:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I haven't liked his play on the whole, but scum tend to not push a candidate like Sandroba with as much fervor as Toad has...plus his case is pretty good aside from it being based mostly on what Sandroba has NOT done instead of what he HAS done. And I DO like GGQ as a candidate, and never ever said that I don't support it "because it's vet-supported". I only assumed that GGQ was the sub-out of HIS lynches because BM is far scummier (imo), and once vets set their sights, they're not moved by the likes of Toad and I (and you and ANYONE who's not a vet.) It's not their way - and it's what makes them good at what they do. Now, care to explain your blatant misrepresentation of my post? 5 pages ago you said Toad was one of your lynch choices. But then you said you support Toad's view on Sandroba. I don't usually support the viewpoints of people I think are scum, which is why your post looked glaringly weird. If you changed your mind on Toad, whatever. Just a little inconsistent is all as you never indicated a change. I didn't say you don't support GGQ as a candidate. I wasn't sure if you were just being insecure about vets being more right than you are, of if you were being uneasy because you felt vets were wrongly tunneling. ...yeah. No, I didn't blatantly misrepresent your post. I asked you questions. | ||
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On January 18 2012 22:47 Bill Murray wrote: You know I obviously meant to say mafia don't have to use deductive reasoning I don't know who is mafia, but I have done a pretty good job and suspected 1 of the 2 people who have flipped I want to see Sandroba's alignment to determine BC's, but I'd be willing to let it go for now, since you all don't realize (like I do) that one of Protact and BC HAVE to be scum Since Macpo flipped it really looks bad on Protactinium and rgtheShworz quoted again... how in the hell does it look bad on protact that Macpo flipped? or Schworz for that matter... he supported Macpo lynch in a fairly normal manner. | ||
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@jay what do you think of Protact's assessmentof GGQ; he thinks GGQ is town because of his apologetic post. scum most likely influencing town somehow, no way all of their members are laying down to be destroyed. high profile ppls are suspect. going to analyze BC, BM, sandroba. | ||
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flips will give a lot more information on people leading the lynch, because atm, there are a lot of people with town influence who are relatively unquestioned. meh. | ||
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@BM you really think that BC and sandroba falsified the entire mason conversation? my reads have been absolutely terrible so far, but between you and BC... not sure man. | ||
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People discrediting BC, you're running off of weak grounds tbh. How has meapak been erased from people's radars? A lot of people seemed very sure of his redness a few days ago. | ||
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jayjay's play was really good. he's going to be great sometime. All in all I had a lot of fun, hope I didn't harm people's experience by low activity levels. was awesome seeing super protown in action. | ||
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On January 25 2012 02:48 Jackal58 wrote: You were one of the people I wanted to talk to BC about if he masoned me. Along with Opz, Nisani, glurio, BrownBear and Lanaia. I knew Bum was scum the second he suggested I offed my own GF for townie points. Only pissed off scum would say that. I don't think I was even aware munk E was in the game. mm yeah my play wasn't very pro town so I was surprised I wasn't under more suspicion. Though I did a lot more psuedo analysis in my last game as scum; if anyone wanted to meta me, I was being quite different than my scum. I'm pretty sure someone post suspicion on munk-e but after a while it didn't even matter. | ||
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On January 25 2012 01:09 jaj22 wrote: rgTheSchworz: For what it's worth you were the least suspicious mafia on my list This game really brought home to me that scumhunting isn't the only important thing as town, particularly when you already have excellent scumhunters giving you names. Quelling paranoia, explaining the actions of veterans, calming people down and directing them away from tunnelling implausible lynch candidates all contribute to a constructive town atmosphere. I'd have done twice as much of that except I was worried about spamming myself that's a pretty good point, I probably should've done more of that pro town activity >< bah | ||
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