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RE: Nisani
The only thing I have against you're case is the very beginning. Remember that Palmar had called Ciry pretty quickly as well, and he was right. It's strong otherwise. However...
RE: Macpo
Yes, it's tunneling. Yes, I will reiterate that I feel that the guy is mafia. I went back and looked at his posts again. He's too well-informed to be a newb, yet says he's newb. I'm going to sit back seeing the little train forming on Macpo, and re-evaluate. Possible he is true a newb and not used to playing Forum mafia...but I just need to be really convinced otherwise. The one saving grace is Protact calling him Mafia, but more on that below.
RE: Sheth
Already blew it for today, mang. Sorry.
RE: WBG
I'll wait to see what you say about Protact. You we're really convinced me at the end of the Day yesterday, and I'd like to see you post all you're information about you're thoughts. I had pretty fair feelings that Palmar was acting townish.
RE: Sandroba
I have reservations about Sandroba. Two things that stick out to me are what was brought up in his PM's with BC, about the switching back and forth from Palmar within 15 lines. I don't think the Mason mass claim is anything to look at earlier. Than in the thread, he goes from saying that he doesn't want anyone to die to wanting to kill him in the PM. Just a little iffy too me.
Right now, I'm having negative vibes from both Macpo and Sandroba.
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On January 17 2012 08:48 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:45 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Despite me going after Opz a bit here, today I still want us to lynch Macpo for all of the reasons before stated. aren't you afraid that he actually IS a newbie town player? I mean stressing to be newb may be a newb mistake afterall. Don't get me wrong, I'd lynch him, but IMO he might flip town.
See, that sort of fear is the reason I'd prefer a GGQ lynch.
Jay, I had some questions for you a while ago and I'm not sure you answered them. Looked in your filter, didn't see it.
On January 17 2012 05:54 Lanaia wrote:@Jay, do you think both sandro and BC could theoretically be scum? Also how is the late posting of the logs bad? I think it makes sense, as we have more complete logs than if they'd posted them 24 hours previous to that (given they haven't altered them). Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 02:20 Jayjay54 wrote:
b) How does BM know that he saved her? Does he get notified? And why would he want that if he thinks shes scum? And why on earth would the mafia use a pretty NK to kill a pretty neutral person who even was a lynch candidate to some? Please enlighten us BM.
=> Don’t know what to make out of it. But I don’t believe whatsoever that the mafia used a NK on her.
Unless he was notified, I am positive I wasn't killed. Well, if scum had me pegged as an important blue, do you think they might risk a shot?
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On January 17 2012 08:41 Lanaia wrote:
Supersoft/BillMurray
Do you guys think a doublelynch is a good idea?
i really dont think so atm. I prefer to use them a little bit later like day3 and day4...
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@Schworz ok I see what your saying. Sorry I just didn't think you'd assume Prot was bussing Macpo with no other information. I just honestly never considered you'd bring this up as an option without more information. Upon reading closer I see that you actually did think they were bussing each other and you just posted it with little reason. I still think theres a good chance only a mafia player would come up with this idea as things are going right now. So you are sure enough that Prot is mafia and that Macpo is mafia to assume this scenario. Huh... I'm going to go eat supper and think about this.
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On January 17 2012 08:53 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm not afraid of it, but there is a chance he is. I feel that from how he has changed his style so much and from the way he has posted he is very likely a newbie mafia though. And just because someone "might" flip town is never a reason not to lynch him. (I realize you say you'd lynch him).
I see what you're saying.
The difference is that if we mislynch a newb, we actually wasted a lynch. No information at all. No one really seems to support him, some guys call him out for being a newb. Some say "aaaw he's a cute noob, I wanna keep him!".
If we'd lynch someone more controversial a mislynch might at least give us information.
Another option would be a GGQ lynch which would propably correlate with a Chaos lynch. Basically, buy one get one free. IMO.
mac has no such benefits.
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On January 17 2012 08:50 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:04 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@Meapak I think adding a 4th candidate in Macpo is a good idea. I'm not fine with voting Sandroba off or Protact. I need to think more about GGQ. Protact was one of the first to go after Cyr and Sandroba was as well, I don't know why these two are considered a good lynch for Day 2. Meapak I've been really happy with your play today, are you willing to go for Macpo based on how he has been posting ?
I called you out earlier for voting for protact for no reason, and then now you want to go and defend him saying he was one of the first to go after ciry. You mean until he changed to wanting to lynch BC, when Ciry was obviously more scummy? Looks to me like he was trying to bus a weaker scum. Seems kind of early to me, but go read ciry's posts, or check your inbox. He was obvious mafia.
I'm only defending him in the sense I think we have a better lynch today.
He changed who he wanted to lynch, but he never took suspicion off of Ciry. (Read his large post on Scum that he posted before the Day ended). And yes its obvious now that Ciry is mafia, thanks for pointing that out.
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Writing. Stumbled across this:
On January 17 2012 08:48 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:45 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Despite me going after Opz a bit here, today I still want us to lynch Macpo for all of the reasons before stated. aren't you afraid that he actually IS a newbie town player? I mean stressing to be newb may be a newb mistake afterall. Don't get me wrong, I'd lynch him, but IMO he might flip town.
what is that supposed to mean?
You would lynch him, but he might flip town?
Are you saying you would lynch him despite the fact that there's a non-negligible chance he might flip town? AKA you're willing to lynch someone who you are not confident about? Either that, or you're just stating the obvious.
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On January 17 2012 08:55 Lanaia wrote:
Jay, I had some questions for you a while ago and I'm not sure you answered them. Looked in your filter, didn't see it.
You asked if I consider both BC and sandro a scum and I answered at some point. If they're both scum, the log would be fake. And a very well one. I don't think that this effort would be worth it. I might be wrong though.
Was there anything else?
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On January 17 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote:Writing. Stumbled across this: Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:48 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 17 2012 08:45 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Despite me going after Opz a bit here, today I still want us to lynch Macpo for all of the reasons before stated. aren't you afraid that he actually IS a newbie town player? I mean stressing to be newb may be a newb mistake afterall. Don't get me wrong, I'd lynch him, but IMO he might flip town. what is that supposed to mean? You would lynch him, but he might flip town? Are you saying you would lynch him despite the fact that there's a non-negligible chance he might flip town? AKA you're willing to lynch someone who you are not confident about? Either that, or you're just stating the obvious.
see post in response to sheth
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Repeat. wherebugsgo: Why are you all of the sudden posting in 3rd person?
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sandro, why did you go from "I don't want to lynch any of those guys" to immediately wanting Palmar dead less than five minutes later? (in your PMs with BC)
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On January 17 2012 09:02 p4NDemik wrote:
Repeat. wherebugsgo: Why are you all of the sudden posting in 3rd person?
I omit pronouns sometimes, but I'm not speaking in the third person...how does that make me suspicious, exactly?
I'm not saying "wherebugsgo thinks x..." that just sounds retarded. Even the post that preceded your question had something in first person:
On January 17 2012 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'll post more about this shortly when I get comp access.
and again, how does this matter in finding scum, exactly?
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On January 17 2012 08:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 17 2012 08:19 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@Lanaia + Opz
What are your thoughts on GGQ + Macpo?
@Opz were not lynching Lanaia today because of your "gut". Post what your "gut" is telling you and why. I done posted my suspcisions,. I haven't directly quoted them, because I'm being lazy. Lanaia doesn't have many posts, click on filter. But i've done posted them, it isn't my fault you don't bother reading. Your still scum in my eyes too. I haven't read anything from Macpo, so give me a little bit. Same for GGQ. Here are some quotes about your "posted suspicions". + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2012 08:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 07:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@schworz, there are currently three serious candidates being discussed, protact, sandroba, and GGQ. That's a fine number of candiates for me. I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right. On January 17 2012 08:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2012 08:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 17 2012 07:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@schworz, there are currently three serious candidates being discussed, protact, sandroba, and GGQ. That's a fine number of candiates for me. I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right. she is that wishy washy as town. I don't think she's mafia at all unless she does that on purpose to look like her town play. I'd say the first one is more likly. I've never played with her, and regardless of it, I said I feel off. I'm trusting my gut on this one. She is mafia. Protact is suspected strongly mafia to me and should be to everyone else, plus annoying as heck, example: They've been asked repeatedly, by multiple people, to post which one of them are posting. It's not hard or difficult to comply with that, and seems reasonable I believe. Also, THEY gained a random ass following, claimed to have had given Day one direction, when they had all of 4 posts when they claimed to have given direction to the day. Seriously. That's a load of horse manure. I don't trust protact, at all even if he pointed out ciryandor. He wasn't the first to call him out and even changed his target to BC afterwards. I won't sheep after his wishes. On January 17 2012 03:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 02:20 Jayjay54 wrote:Hey guys, I’m back from work, so I have time to figure stuff out. First of all, GG to all the dead. May they rest in peace! WP everyone. I try to focus on the NKs, we may get information why they were shot. I’ll compare them by listing People they opposed and things they supported, mostly with quotes. May contain traces of WIFOM. I want to start with the not so sure shot people. You'll see why. LanaiaOn January 16 2012 14:10 Bill Murray wrote:
I am pretty sure I saved Lanaia from being killed last night People she opposed:Well, pretty much none (talking about before the day 2 start, she gave a pretty neutral list today). A little post against palmar, a little post about L, but quickly withdraw. Things she supported:Well, uhm. Yeah. Vote was on BC Sooo Lanaia? What? Why? She was a total Null read to nearly everybody. Some people even called her scum. Includiiing: On January 15 2012 21:52 Bill Murray wrote:
Lynch, Lynch, Lynch!:
Lanaia
Mafia a) Why the fuck would BM jail Lanaia? Because he thought she has a role? Lanaia was even confused herself. On January 16 2012 14:16 Lanaia wrote:
Bill, if that were the case, would I have been notified of being killed?
But yeah, I can confirm he did target me.
However, I have no idea why. May I ask why? This makes 0 sense to me. Care to explain BM? b) How does BM know that he saved her? Does he get notified? And why would he want that if he thinks shes scum? And why on earth would the mafia use a pretty NK to kill a pretty neutral person who even was a lynch candidate to some? Please enlighten us BM. => Don’t know what to make out of it. But I don’t believe whatsoever that the mafia used a NK on her. Which is why: Could Lanaia be mafia? You ever consider that? I have...Not just the long post today were neutral. Almost every post. But I'll be pointing that out later, I gotta do some things real quick. You say it isn't your fault that I don't bother reading. I in fact have been reading.
Oh, I'm sorry. Must I dredge up all the evidence of why I feel that way.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=64#1267
"I really liked L up until he asked about the vig shot. However, he's redeemed himself since in my eyes. I like his posting style."
L even asked her, how did he redeem himself? Because he hadn't done shit since then.
Then she says "If three people hadn't just switched to WBG all at once, I would have voted him. It just feels kinda weird. I mean, I know it's not the end of the cycle and it won't push him into the win (iirc), but... " and just leaves it at that. Fine. Okay. The obvious reason is, despite claiming to want to, she's too concerned with looking suspicious to follow what she claims to want to do. Almost all of her posts consist of this as a premise. Being concerned about looking suspicious and voicing this concern. No real meat.
When asked to point out people she would lynch today? She picks two people I'd consider lurkers. Two people least likely to defend themselves.
Although the posts as of late, have been more town related, I'm still highly suspect, and would get behind a lynch.
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People speaking in 3rd person is odd in all walks of life man.
You haven't done anything similar to this all game so I find it very strange.
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And you referred to yourself in the 3rd person, even if you weren't narrating the entire post that was it is a marked diversion from how you were previously posting and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit I say!
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On January 17 2012 09:10 p4NDemik wrote:
And you referred to yourself in the 3rd person, even if you weren't narrating the entire post that was it is a marked diversion from how you were previously posting and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit I say!
what the fuck. are you joking or something
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how is it even possible to have so little support for sandroba after we had so many people who said that they'd be all over sandroba the last 2 days?
I'll just quote something else sandroba said, it's going to be big:
On January 17 2012 01:58 sandroba wrote:
Alright gotta go with GGQ. He is doing his usual scum meta which is popping in from time to time with short messages that don't explain shit. Not only that but most of them is actively spread doubt without trying to gather any support from others on his "beliefs". This is something that makes absolutely no sense from a town player to do, but fits mafia behavior quite nicely. Mafia wants to be ignored while putting in seeds of doubt in peoples head that are hard to trace back to the original source. And that's GGQ's play. He is mafia.
##Vote: GGQ
EVERYONE, do me a favor: Replace GGQ in his post with "sandroba" and look into sandrobas filter. He is doing the exact same thing. In fact the post I quoted is the only one that really explains something. If you're a clever townie you don't believe a word I say, because I'm going the same thing he accused GGQ to do and I am accusing him to do. I'm only posting some thoughts, maybe a little explanation but that could very well be bullshit. No let's look into some posts he did to back up what I just said:
On January 13 2012 17:11 sandroba wrote:
Hi everybody, I'll be running for mayor and I need your support. The whole basis of my campaign is being town and pretty decent at figuring out scum. Myself holding day1 lynch and 3 votes everyday is a pretty good deal on average I'd say so. Also it's ridiculously easy to figure out my alignment not only because I suck as scum, but also because I hate it and usually can't keep up with the thread after a few days. So yeah, you don't have to worry about that because I'm thankfully town this game. Another benefit to electing me is that I usually get shot pretty early on (normally day2 the latest), and I can tell you that keeping me alive will improve town's chances by a lot. Let me say that there is no fucking reason to not elect a trustworthy established sumhunter in favor of electing a new player whose millage may vary. The main goal of the mayor role is to get someone who can reliably get scum lynched and be a threat to mafia. Putting in a random dude has no benefit to town and can even be detrimental if the dude has his head stuck up his ass.
So town gather up and give me your support, because mafia isn't going to let me get this position easily. It makes them feel unsafe and fearful. They are right. I'm coming for them.
I consinder this to be trollsandroba. [b]-tagged the things I find funny.
On January 14 2012 04:26 sandroba wrote:
Okay let me address somethings I liked in this thread:
1) Proactinum post is the best one so far. Fuck yes I like it. Cyriandor is my top candidate for lynch if I get elected.
2) Jackal's idea is very good. If I'm elected I'll lynch 1 or 0 bg.
3) I'm seriously considering supporting a mason mass claim day1. Mafia will have to claim it early if they ever want to use it and it gives us good basis for discussion. These big games fall rapidly out of control if we don't keep focus and this will give us something to go by.
1) is what I'm talking about, 2) isn't exactly awesome as well and 3) well idk. See his mass caps about that later on
On January 14 2012 05:34 sandroba wrote:
Alright peeps here are the advantages of mass claim masons:
1) It forces mafia to come under a lot of scrutiny if they want to use the mason power. The plan is to watch these people closely and get a lot of the info out in the open, instead of allowing masons to operate in the shadows.
2) If mafia doesn't want the spot light they will probably not claim nor use their mason powers, which is very good for town. For this same reason we must not go on a witch hunt on the claimed masons, because they can be of any alignment and may be all town as well. We shall lynch people because of suspicious behavior, not because of trying to find mafia withing the masons.
3) There is not much of a downside to it. If mafia wants to waste their roleblock/kill on mason by all means be my guest. It further protects our really important blue roles which is great. If they choose to ignore them we are back in the same place we we're before with extra info as town that mafia opted not to use. Which is great.
here we go. Finally something he explains, however, as many people already pointed out that's incredible easy for mafia. I think BC or someone else told us that this is a common topic and there's talk about this even outside games because it's controversial. No problem to share thoughts on that one as a mafia.
On January 14 2012 05:48 sandroba wrote:
MASONS. FUCKING MASS CLAIM. RIGHT NOW. THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE.
awesome. Another Scumdroba-troll post I guess? Jackal + VE, am I the only one thinking about his "FUCK GUYS, LYNCH ANNUL. PALMARS CASE IS THE BEST CASE EVER" post from incogs game?
On January 14 2012 15:38 sandroba wrote:
OkaY. We will not fucking lynch anyone important today. Period. We will lynch a baddie and if he flips town what the fuck ever. Town vets are going to get slaughtered/medic'ed soon and we will be able to make a much more informed decisionon their alignment. I'm going to still lynch ciryandor cuz he is ugly and smells bad. No one is going to lynch palmar/bc/whoever has a name because these guys are going to die or be scum which will make our lives easier. Trust me on this one and fucking vote for me. I'll rape bitches left and right and in the end we will make a party celebrating peace and love. Yes I'm fucking drunk but I'm still the man to get the job done. Peace.
isn't he contradicting himself? "We will not lynch anyone important today. Period. We're going to lynch palmar instead!" + even more troll.
On January 14 2012 15:40 sandroba wrote:
@palmar fuck you start playing properly already
nothing really. People already called him out multiple times to start playing serious and he does the same. Easy to do for mafia. Not saying that it makes him look mafia but it's not something that makes him look green. It's just a null.
On January 14 2012 15:49 sandroba wrote:Nah you don't interest me. Plus I wish I could. Maybe I can. Who the fuck knows.
same again
On January 14 2012 16:26 sandroba wrote:
Alright people I want to get elected and no one is fucking voting for me. What do you want me to do so you would fucking vote? Tell me and I'll do it. I have plenty of time right now and I can post random useless shit if that's what get's you voting.
troll
On January 14 2012 16:34 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 16:31 bumatlarge wrote:On January 14 2012 16:26 sandroba wrote:
Alright people I want to get elected and no one is fucking voting for me. What do you want me to do so you would fucking vote? Tell me and I'll do it. I have plenty of time right now and I can post random useless shit if that's what get's you voting. Why ciryandor? I think I talked about this already. He's ugly and smells bad. Also protact's case was the best thing to land on this thread so far. Also I might lynch a bg instead. Who knows.
troll
On January 14 2012 16:46 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 16:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 16:26 sandroba wrote:
Alright people I want to get elected and no one is fucking voting for me. What do you want me to do so you would fucking vote? Tell me and I'll do it. I have plenty of time right now and I can post random useless shit if that's what get's you voting. Turn everything you do into about 3 paragraphs, even if it could have been a line. I was walking down the street one day and I suddenly a foul scent hit my nose. I was like what the shit, where the fuck is this coming from? Did I just step on human fesses or what? After checking my feet and realizing it was clean I looked around and spotted a horrid looking creature that dropped 2 terrible posts in the begging of a game then was never heard of again. It was ciryandor. Protact had warned me about his unpleasant presence. Right then I decided I would rid the world of such disturbing annoyance and thus I hit him repeatedly over the head with my grandma's shoes. He finally succumbed, bored into oblivion. I felt victorious after checking my grandma's shoes and realizing a crimson taint had soaked them. Life was good. Being mayor made me proud. The whole idea of being elected to kill some random dude and being able to single handedly execute it was exciting. I stretched out my arm and an eagle landed on it. Fuck yes I'm a boss.
troll also he was told to
On January 15 2012 05:54 sandroba wrote:
K people I have a problem that I don't have anyone I can vote on because I don't like any of the lynch candidates. I'd vote protact if he changed back to ciryandor or BC if he change off of protactinum. I need to go out in about 30 min and won't be here for the lynch so unless fw can let me delay the lynch for like 6 hours I can't be mayor. Make sure I get sheriff though.
Fuck i need to decide fast.
nothing at all. No reasoning and saying mayor candidates look bad is easy to do for mafia again. Same as above, not scummy but not townish as well
On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote:
Palmar you need to try harder, you are too easy to spot as scum nowadays. I'd rather not lynch any vets day1 but you make it so hard not to lynch you. Please go die in a corner.
I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll.
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler
I already said something about this one: "we're not going to lynch a vet. Period." => "yeah let's lynch palmar". Seems like he uses that "we're not going to lynch vets" how it pleases him depending on wether is's good for him or not at this time because clearly he is contradicting himself
On January 15 2012 14:10 sandroba wrote:
Yo I'm back. I didn't even know there was a separate voting thread, so i voted here. My bad, won't happen again. Thanks for not modkilling me =)
Can't keep up with the thread / doesn't even know the rules. Isn't that something that, according to his own words, tell us he's scum?
Next thing would be the post about GGQ. I already quoted it as a startet
On January 17 2012 02:28 sandroba wrote:
What in the fuck is that post jayjay? That whole wall post doesn't say shit and your conclusion is even more baffling to me. Nice try scum, but you need to make a bit more sense if you want to look good. Huge walls of nothing ain't gonna cut it.
calling out a new guy. I don't mind him callimg jayjay out at all. But "nice try scum" is just bullshit after jj's post imo.
On January 17 2012 03:00 sandroba wrote:
Well if I could be sure vigis would shoot this dude sure. But lurking or not I'm pretty sure he is scum because of the way he is operating and lynching scum, lurker or not, generates a lot of good info.
wat? circular reasoning.
On January 17 2012 03:28 sandroba wrote:
I'm not quite sure on him because jackal is freaking jackal, but last time he was town i could tell right away and he did put in some effort and got killed early on. He just seems lazy and jumping on convenient stuff and he is back to his usual useless one line posting which he used to do as both alignments. He's either made a step back or he is scum this game, I need more to decide accurately, but I'm leaning scum on him atm.
I'm going to be honest here: I disagree with him but it is at least an explanation. The only one he did imo
On January 17 2012 03:31 sandroba wrote:
One thing that tipped me off is him comparing my play to the game we played together as scum, which he should be able to do better and realize that's not the same.
Easy thing to do. Not providing examples. Just saying something.
Sandroba has to die
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On January 17 2012 09:18 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:10 p4NDemik wrote:
And you referred to yourself in the 3rd person, even if you weren't narrating the entire post that was it is a marked diversion from how you were previously posting and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit I say! what the fuck. are you joking or something
No. I'm most definitely getting carried away with this but I'm not joking.
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