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On January 18 2012 03:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Toad, you mention like every other post that you think I'm a fake-claimer. You DON'T say however whether you think I'm mafia. If you think I'm mafia, man up and either point a finger or place a vote. If you don't, SHUT UP ABOUT MY CLAIM PLEASE! GAH!
I thought what I'm doing is considered pointing a finger 
hereby I am officially announcing that I am pointing a finger at you. I will however not vote you because noone will lynch you today and that would be a wasted vote. I'd actually like to keep talking about this because it's only a fos. I'm still not sure if you tried to get shot (which failed) or a mafia yet.
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On January 18 2012 04:19 Jayjay54 wrote: 17 votes on macpo. the second best candidate has 2.
This is ridiculous.
I don't know why people want to lynch someone who going to be modkilled but apparently the crow wants to lynch him
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On January 18 2012 04:31 Jayjay54 wrote: cheese, toad:
set a good example and unvote! maybe we can unite on someone to actually create a scecond lynch candidate? what are your thoughts?
you know damn well that I want to lynch sandroba but you know as well that noone is trusting me because I am willing to lynch a vet who is easily scum this game because of what he posted instead of lynching a bunch of noobs who are on the edge of being modkilled while noone really knows what their meta is. Afterall they're new to the game and I've seen plenty of bullshit coming from town-noobs as well.
I just don't think that we can get something else going right now. Checking vote-thread right now :p
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On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote: Now I remember why I hate large games...
Holy shit this town has no direction.
Must kill:
Bill Murray - probably, since he's in an office I'd say he's "should probably kill" instead Lanaia - that's bullshit imo Toadesstern that IS bullshit Meapak agree Scamp same as GGQ and Macpo imo Bumatlarge agree
Should probably kill:
Jackal disagree Sandro this guy needs to be in must kill L same as sandro Protactinium same as sandro
Bill Murray should die today. The case on macpo is weak to me but he's receiving a ton of suspicion so he might as well flip so we don't waste more time on him.
Once these players are dead there's probably half the mafia team hiding among noob lurkers.
Judging on how much we think differently I'd say you're a probably kill as well. You're just wrong way too often 
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but I'd agree to kill BM nevertheless. Maybe wbg really is just so off this game and BM gave me a lot of mafia vibes today. I'm just scared to lynch into an office with nothing more than gut-feeling right now.
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On January 18 2012 05:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Wait, I feel like I just put two and two together. Maybe I should listen more. Here's a train of thought;
BM calls Lanaia is scum. BM protects Lanaia to 'reduce mafia KP', even though it didn't, nor could it have.
So what did it achieve? It saved her from kp.
There were plenty of options, why Lanaia specifically? Why does BM want to protect someone he has a scum read on? I see scum buddies or blue hunting as possible reasons.
If he really wanted to protect a scumbuddy don't you think he would have protected a vet for safety issues or Cyri because he was so heavy under fire? But yeah locking up lanaia does not make sense (from town perspective) unless he was activly trying to counter lock. Like locking up the medic, RB or JOAT of mafia. But that's so incredible hard to do that I don't believe he was doing that. I can't think of another reasonable thing from townperspectiv other than "he did not know that it's not lowering mafia KP because he did not read the rules".
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On January 18 2012 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 05:31 Toadesstern wrote:On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote: Now I remember why I hate large games...
Holy shit this town has no direction.
Must kill:
Bill Murray - probably, since he's in an office I'd say he's "should probably kill" instead Lanaia - that's bullshit imo Toadesstern that IS bullshit Meapak agree Scamp same as GGQ and Macpo imo Bumatlarge agree
Should probably kill:
Jackal disagree Sandro this guy needs to be in must kill L same as sandro Protactinium same as sandro
Bill Murray should die today. The case on macpo is weak to me but he's receiving a ton of suspicion so he might as well flip so we don't waste more time on him.
Once these players are dead there's probably half the mafia team hiding among noob lurkers.
Judging on how much we think differently I'd say you're a probably kill as well. You're just wrong way too often  The fact that you can confidently say I'm wrong too often when I've only been provably wrong once means you need to die today. At most, you'd know that I've been wrong twice, (if you are town) which isn't "too often" unless your standards for finding scum are unreasonably high, which I don't find likely, seeing as I don't believe you've ever even found scum as town before. ##unvote Protactinium ##vote Toadesstern
I only had 2 games as town. Game 1 I pm'ed you a list of 5 people d1. 2 of them were modkilled d1 the rest was mafia. Game 2 I thought ciry is either blue or red and after everyone was attacking me I went with the blue read and that was wrong 
My point is that you're as you've mentioned I got 2 things about you I know. You're wrong on both, I was right once (telling you I am town isn't something I count as being right myself obviously). So far not a single flip (mafia lynches) suprised me and I had everyone on a townread although it was only a slight one. So yeah. I'm having troubles believing you're worse than I am especially since I am so bad according to you
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On January 18 2012 05:44 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 05:40 Cwave wrote:On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote: Now I remember why I hate large games...
Don't join then? :O On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Must kill:
Bill Murray Lanaia Toadesstern Meapak Scamp Bumatlarge
Should probably kill:
Jackal Sandro L Protactinium
Once these players are dead there's probably half the mafia team hiding among noob lurkers.
You just listed 10 people without ANY case in the post and we allready flipped one scummy bastard. So after these 11, you would continue lynching random lurkers? [...] Also Toad that's cute but it doesn't make you any less scummy. Care to explain why you think my scumread of lanaia is bullshit? she's a null, maybe a slight town read for me. Looks to me like her "sry guys, I'm really not sure"-wishy-washy-town-meta.
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On January 18 2012 05:51 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 05:47 Toadesstern wrote:On January 18 2012 05:44 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 18 2012 05:40 Cwave wrote:On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote: Now I remember why I hate large games...
Don't join then? :O On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Must kill:
Bill Murray Lanaia Toadesstern Meapak Scamp Bumatlarge
Should probably kill:
Jackal Sandro L Protactinium
Once these players are dead there's probably half the mafia team hiding among noob lurkers.
You just listed 10 people without ANY case in the post and we allready flipped one scummy bastard. So after these 11, you would continue lynching random lurkers? [...] Also Toad that's cute but it doesn't make you any less scummy. Care to explain why you think my scumread of lanaia is bullshit? she's a null, maybe a slight town read for me. Looks to me like her "sry guys, I'm really not sure"-wishy-washy-town-meta. Which is almost precisely the same as her scum meta. Yeah, that totally gets us somewhere. When she's scum she refuses to talk about specific scum reads and lynches. This happened in XLVII and this game too. In Steamship she had some semblance of reads and wanted to kill people a couple of times, from what I remember. I'll look at the two games and see if I can confirm similarities. At any rate, since your defense is so atrocious I still have no problem killing you. Anyone have a town read on Toad? Speak soon! + Show Spoiler +On December 05 2011 07:13 Lanaia wrote: I have come to the conclusion I can't read Palmar worth a damn. I really hate it when I feel like that towards a person all the time. So it's probably a good idea to ignore me when it comes to Palmar, at least for now.
However, I am eagerly awaiting his explanation on redff's case being terrible. QUOTE] On December 05 2011 09:04 Lanaia wrote:Radfield, right now I'm not sure. A lot of people still haven't posted yet. I'd probably lynch one of the lurkers, though. Damn, this seems to sound a lot like Toadesstern's response. On December 05 2011 12:10 Lanaia wrote:Agh, I'm not sure how to feel anymore, yet the game is young so I am okay with that. Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 21:15 Radfield wrote:On December 04 2011 19:49 syllogism wrote: Incog seemed to randomize teams in PYP:I, so I definitely wouldn't lynch based on perceived balance. As for setup balance, I don't think it's useful to speculate about it given how little information I've available and how little it actually matters in terms of how we should proceed. Either way, we will likely know the answer after n1.
I think towns have recently been doing better on the average than a d1 random lynch and considering the obvious downside that people will not have to justify their votes, it's a bad idea. Even if I didn't have a clue who is more likely to flip scum and who isn't, I will at the very least have town reads by the end of the day. If a player who I got a town read on happens to get RNGed, it would be pretty hard not to argue against the lynch. I would even go as far to state that I would rather mislynch day 1 due to scum diverting the lynch from one of their own than RNG and hit scum, but produce no information at all. Agreed. Other than starting discussion, I think RNG has very little value. It simply doesn't mesh very well with most of our primary day 1 goals. In particular, getting the mafia down on paper and forcing them to state who they want to lynch and why. RNG: 2 ##Vote prplhz I know that I really don't like this post at all. I know other people have mentioned it, but it's really bothering me. Radfield, do you even think prplhz is scum? If so, why? If not, why are you still voting him? [/QUOTE]
That's the kind of posts she does as townie. Taken from incogs game. To me it looks like the same she's done this game early on. But I never seen here scum game tbh. If it really is the same that makes her a null for me.
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could someone link me to the list of filters please? Tired of searching for everyone all the time... Don't know who posted it and on what page it was, so it's kinda hard to find
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wtf, why are we even considering to kill GGQ. That guy hasn't posted at all. Let the vigs deal with those people. Macpo posted very little as well but I see that he is scummy. Still I'd say it's a job for our vigs.
I'd be up for lynching sandroba and if I have to I'd be also up for BM. He might very well flip red but imo it's too risky to lynch him that early.
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On January 18 2012 06:15 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 18 2012 05:58 wherebugsgo wrote:I was gonna point out the GGQ ninja, but got beaten to it by scum: On January 18 2012 05:55 Scamp wrote: GGQ just voted without posting.
Interesting. Have you even voted? Do you even have a scumread? Your filter is still full of the stuff I put in the toilet every morning at 8. Come on dude - when was the last time you got up before 1pm?  What is your read on the following vets: BM Meapak Foolishness Sandroba Of all of them, I have the strongest town-read on Meapak, but Foolishness is a close second. I'm on the fence about Sandroba and I think BM is probably scum at this point. What about you? Today, since I started school again lol. Scum Scumish Townish Meh In that order. BM is either scum or clinically insane, neither of which is surprising and both of which warrant death by lynch. Meapak is acting super funny-like and has just said some weird things overall. He seems to lack confidence and originality in his opinions, which is something strange to see in a vet player. Note my response to his last post. Foolishness has ramped up his activity today. There isn't any real good reason for me to believe he is town other than I agree with some of his reads and there exist far better targets. So for now, since I find more than 10 other people scummy, by process of elimination I have him as townish. Sandro is meh cause his comments on masons made no sense and he has still not done much, but so far I haven't found a proper reason to call him scum. I need to read his posts again.
so we basicly think the same about our scumreads? I did not know that oO I would have said: scumish scumish Town Scum
Why are you're town reads so off?
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On January 18 2012 06:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 06:15 Toadesstern wrote: wtf, why are we even considering to kill GGQ. That guy hasn't posted at all. Let the vigs deal with those people. Macpo posted very little as well but I see that he is scummy. Still I'd say it's a job for our vigs.
I'd be up for lynching sandroba and if I have to I'd be also up for BM. He might very well flip red but imo it's too risky to lynch him that early. Alright Toad I'm done with you, gonna give our lovely vigis something to shoot at tonight. Expect an analysis in 30-45 minutes. fine with me. I'll tell you where you're wrong when you post it.
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Could we get a vote update?
Also unvoting and voting BM.
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CRAP, 2 post above me was ma 1k post?  And I wasted it
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On January 18 2012 06:51 Macpo wrote: I am still a free man! and I vote Protac, because I am depressed (by the forseeable future).
vote Bill murray! It's the only way to save your ass!
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annyone else thinking those people who just crawled out of their cavet didn't just come here by coincidence but were told to post something with an excuse by their mafia buddies after they saw that list of afk-people?
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On January 18 2012 06:57 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 06:56 Toadesstern wrote: annyone else thinking those people who just crawled out of their cavet didn't just come here by coincidence but were told to post something with an excuse by their mafia buddies after they saw that list of afk-people? hahaha. that would be so funny 
That's totally what I told risen last game as mafia. That's why I am asking. If town is derping themselves mafia try to stand by watching trying to not interfere. Free town chaos without getting your hands muddy and noone is going to trace it back to you because it was created by town. That leads to mafia hiding because they don't want to stop chaos. That leads to players that need to post because they still haven't voted (or something like that) and that leads to jackal telling Risen to post 5 hours before the deadline because that's still better than a post 1 hour before the deadline. But that's just my experience :p
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On January 18 2012 07:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 06:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On January 18 2012 06:15 Toadesstern wrote: wtf, why are we even considering to kill GGQ. That guy hasn't posted at all. Let the vigs deal with those people. Macpo posted very little as well but I see that he is scummy. Still I'd say it's a job for our vigs.
I'd be up for lynching sandroba and if I have to I'd be also up for BM. He might very well flip red but imo it's too risky to lynch him that early. Alright Toad I'm done with you, gonna give our lovely vigis something to shoot at tonight. Expect an analysis in 30-45 minutes. Toad I thought you were scummy because you have terribad reads, however when I go back through your filter I don't get a scum feel from your posts. You're in the same category as WBG is right now, I don't think you're scum but your reads are atrocious (I do agree with L and to a lesser extent BM however, as I've stated a million times, GGQ is much more likely to flip scum than either of them). Being bad doesn't make you scum, so while you're currently off the mark in many regards, you're not scum because of that. Oh I also looked at Sandroba (again), I still don't think he's scum. Given macpo's latest post I'm going to stick with him as the lynch (it also looks like GGQ will be modkilled).
thx I gues? :p I don't think my reads are bad. That still has to be proven :p
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btw since Macpo is back in here i might as well get voting him again. Still don't think we get information out of it. Sure he's scummy to some degree but for me it's mostly a lurker and I don't like lynching those until we got no other choice. But yeah ##Unvote ##Vote Macpo
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