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On January 14 2012 19:59 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote:
Wherebugsgo, can you summarize your case against me in one post so I can break it down and tell you why you're dumb and bad, possibly scum. I don't explain shit to scum
Explain it to me then.
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On January 14 2012 19:54 Adam4167 wrote:
EchelonTee:
”Adam, I’m curious if you are still for cheese”
I missed this line because of the whole “–town” debacle that occurred right after it. And the answer is… No, I've since put my vote on Protactinium. I don’t trust cheese since a large portion of his posts have been shitty. He can change my mind by doing some great analysis though.
GGQ:
You’ve had some experience playing with Palmar, should we hang him based on his meta of being obstructive and lazy as scum?
Jackal58:
In your last post, you agreed with Nisani201 that lynching Palmar based off of meta alone is a stupid idea. Do you feel that Palmar should warrant a ‘stay of execution’ until day 2 so we can better determine his alignment?
Umm yeah, I'm not about to make an overly large and word for word perfect post.
I'm going to get my thoughts out there so others can assess them, if they are good, someone else will agree with them.
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On January 14 2012 20:02 Macpo wrote:
It's getting clear that Bill Murray is the way to go.
Mr Wiggles, a good town, but he just doesn't want to be on the stage too much, so I guess the mayor role doesn't suit him very well.
BC: way too unclear and risky for me; he is trying too much stuff, going for a thousand contradictory stuff, taking back what he said and so on.
Bill has shown a lot of presence, and has made reasonable analyses, plus he is not afraid. That's enough for me up to now, I think we won't have better than that.
To those complaining about me being rational, it's getting obvious that they prefer random one line crap to argumentation. I'll answer back when they'll meet my standards.
Also, I changed my mind on Cybercheese, as he opened my eyes on the the BC case.
To bill: some people here have NOT posted yet at all!! I feel fine about lynching sandroba, as he acts quite scummy, but I suggest that if you are elected, you lynch someone who has not talked yet. statistics we'll be that it is mafia.
Your list of election candidates is lacking.
My post there was heavily inspired by Protactinium. I'm not voting him because outside of that post focused purely on BC, he doesn't seem to have left many opinions on anything, or made any promises we can hold him to, but as is, he seems like one of the better candidates.
Also, what are your stances on Kitaman, VisceraEyes and MrWiggles
On January 14 2012 20:51 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:08 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 20:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 20:02 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 19:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote:
Wherebugsgo, can you summarize your case against me in one post so I can break it down and tell you why you're dumb and bad, possibly scum. I don't explain shit to scum Explain it to me then. go read my filter in one word, meta. So, knowing each game is a different game, and that meta is not valid unless it's applied very precisely (you can't say something like x has posted less than usual, what's important is how, why and what he has posted), you still think that you have a valid enough case? Would you bet your abilities as a player on this case? if I'm wrong about you being scum right now it reflects more on how bad your play is right now than mine. The fact that you are willing to try and guilt me into laying off you suggests you already know I'm town. Otherwise, you wouldn't ask whether I am willing to bet my abilities as a player on this case, since if I was scum I'd have no vested interest in something like that. So, that just strengthens my case even more. TL;DR, go die, scum.
WBG, you might be right, but with meta alone you aren't very convincing.
On January 14 2012 20:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:51 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 20:08 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 20:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 20:02 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 19:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote:
Wherebugsgo, can you summarize your case against me in one post so I can break it down and tell you why you're dumb and bad, possibly scum. I don't explain shit to scum Explain it to me then. go read my filter in one word, meta. So, knowing each game is a different game, and that meta is not valid unless it's applied very precisely (you can't say something like x has posted less than usual, what's important is how, why and what he has posted), you still think that you have a valid enough case? Would you bet your abilities as a player on this case? if I'm wrong about you being scum right now it reflects more on how bad your play is right now than mine. The fact that you are willing to try and guilt me into laying off you suggests you already know I'm town. Otherwise, you wouldn't ask whether I am willing to bet my abilities as a player on this case, since if I was scum I'd have no vested interest in something like that. So, that just strengthens my case even more. TL;DR, go die, scum. No, because you don't have a case. My play is in no way, shape, or form bad. Take away the Palmar name, and you have someone you'd probably have a town read on. This means you're not reading the game objectively, and thus it's your play that's bad, not mine. If you remove meta from a case, it should still have some merit to it. Does yours? The only possible way you're playing well right now, is if you're scum.
You always get trapped in an 'I'm being accused, the person must be scum' state of mind Palmar. Remember what happened with Ace in XLVIII?
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On January 14 2012 20:57 rtgICEMAN wrote:
yeah i think its gonna be betwen BC and Bill for election.I am still hesitating about the right person and i also think that one of them is mafia for some reasons.Peace.
There are two elected roles. If one of them is scum, who do you want in the other spot?
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Risk.Nuke threw in his candidacy, cast doubt on the easiest person to cast doubt on in the game (Palmar with his lack of effort), protected BC and promptly disappears.
I would not be averse to lynching him instead.
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Some people won't really get a segment here. I'm a little bit more busy than I'd like, so if you want more information, you'll have to prod me for it.
Competitors I would consider lynching
Risk.Nuke- He disappeared off the face of the earth after a few posts.
Slardar- Makes a more or less throwaway campaign long after theres about 10 candidates. Has barely any thread presence.
BC for his anti-town plan.
Other people we should't elect
Mattchew seems to have his campaign revolve heavily around his role, and is keen on WIFOM. He also seems a little bit too easily influenced, and I don't want to risk scum masons taking the mayors votes. I wouldn't be surprised if he was only running because Foolishness told him to.
Sandroba.
Neutral
Bumatlarge directed blues, and wants to kill me, so I'll pass.
Wiggles.
Would like to vote for
VisceraEyes currently has my vote. This is more because I want him to stick in the running and see what his next move is more than anything.
Kitaman.
Protactinium has no campaign promises or anything to hold him to, akin to wiggles, except he made the original case on BC, so he ranks a little higher.
Would probably vote for
Bill Murray. He's very active, and seems willing to listen to people while thinking for himself.
Meapak is a strong contender.
Myself, if it was an option.
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On January 15 2012 01:16 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 17:41 GiygaS wrote:
Re: Mattchew being elected
Said already, you're not confirmed, and you're obviously a pretty bad spot if you think you're confirmed because you pmed a dude. If we could see that PM log, that story may change though (if Foolishness says a role you don't want revealed you can censor that if it's keeping you). Seriously, if you're campaign is about transparency, show us examples.
I showed PM log, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=44#867, sorry this is really hard not to type in caps. I have been transparent, open and honest this entire game. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 18:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
mkay wow a lot happened. I just wanna address the Mattchew candidacy.
This is a tough call. On one hand, it is possible that mattchew is town. But the only evidence we have of this is foolishness's word, and with foolishness's actions so far I don't put too much stalk in it. For one, I find it really odd that foolishness would out a blue role just like that, he should know better than that. Another reason is that mattchew seems way too eager to claim confirmed town. At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Ultimately though, trying to determine mattchew's alignment comes down to WIFOM which could get endless.
I would feel better about the whole mattchew thing if he took his position and tried to play protown with it however most of his posts since announcing his candidacy have been talking about how he is confirmed which he isn't.
Anyway at this point I still feel pretty good about BC despite protact's analysis. Other people who are making sense atm are kita and to a lesser extent WBG. I disagree with WBG that Palmar is scum, I thought I knew what Palmar was trying to do with his bad posting but if he doesn't come in and capitalize on it within the next 12 hours or so I'll be more inclined to think he's scum.
I would still love to see L post, I also want more out of GGQ who has done absolutely nothing so far, in terms of lynch I still feel very good about GGQ because I think he fits the lurking scum profile. He's been in the thread but his posts have not been protown and since I'm the only person who seriously called him out he's been able to slip into obscurity.
The only evidence you have is foolishness's word? I don't even know if foolishness is town. You should put as much into foolishness's word as anyone else who has posted like 5 times and 2 of them has been semi trolly campaign announcements. Foolishness did not come up with outing me, I went to him with that idea. Please re-read the PMs between me and him, which I have posted unlike any other Mason claiming. Show nested quote +At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Wanted to highlight that. I PM'd foolishness way too quick to have had any scum team plan especially one that describes whether or not he is "on to them" When I PM'd him it is unlikely there was even a majority of scum to vote me into mason and come up with this plan. The fact that mafia has to elect their mason should aid my innocence based off how quickly I PM'd. Establishing my own innocence is pro-town and alongside scum-hunting are the most important things for all townies to do. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote:Hi friends! Up and awake. Spending my time at a Starbucks in order to stay on track. Sorry if I cover older posts in my analysis, I was asleep. Topics to discuss: A) Mattchew Let’s analyze his post. On January 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote:
I am running for Mayor.
I believe you should vote for me because I am confirmed town. How? Let me explain. I am a mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none. Not really an argument. A variance of the usual “I suck at scum”. Nothing special.Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him or b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught. This is logic. This make sense. Why would mafia PM the best town player straight away? After he already started a campaign for BM. There is no real perspective for scum here. And the idea that both are scum is strange, too. The BM campaign wouldn’t make sense. There’s no chance that all 3 are scum.Why should we vote you if you are bad?A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me. Not really confirmed. But by logic he’s likely town.B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability. Masons can’t get roleblock! They have a day action. So B is not really an issue. The townish vibes make the difference here. C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence. Makes sense to me. That is why the BC claim timing was so odd to me. He would have had a great chance to become mayor. What is your stance on Mayoral Issues.I will be active. I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from 13:30 GMT (+00:00) to 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around 03:00 GMT (+00:00). The standard obligatory "I suck at scum" I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3. Those 3 are (in no particular order) Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good. The mayor downside of his post  . I agree with WBG here, these candidates suck. Would like to see Echelot or Palmar here. Mapco is a new player, you can clearly see it. So why lynch him.I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until 16:00 GMT (+00:00) That being said, before he was roleclaiming, he already posted some really townish posts to back him up like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#605http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#612http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=35#682He is clearly applying logic to help town. Passionately fighting for the right townplay. Thinking ahead and providing opinions and information. I like this. A lot. In the bigger picture, his playstyle alongside masoning foolishness doesn’t make sense as a scum play. The PM log seems consistent to other stuff they’ve been saying. E.g. foolishness attitude towards masons. It’s either well faked or real. Foolishness would never suggest his mafia buddy BM if he were scum only to proceed and claim another scum buddy. That’s way too risky. Therefore, I am convinced. And my townread clearly outweigh the disagreement in the lynch choices. So here it is: ##vote Mattchew + Show Spoiler +Thank you for using your brain. Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 00:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Other people we should't elect
Mattchew seems to have his campaign revolve heavily around his role, and is keen on WIFOM. He also seems a little bit too easily influenced, and I don't want to risk scum masons taking the mayors votes. I wouldn't be surprised if he was only running because Foolishness told him to.
Once again, resisting the urge of capslock and name calling. please, please, please, re-read my filter. I am the one who suggests to foolishness that I run, I am the one who wants to out myself as a mason, I am the one who posted me and foolishness's PM's (without even asking him) and I am the one who is running for mayor right now (foolishness has made 1 post on me). One last note on my alignment. I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office.
Is it possible, yes. Is it 99% unlikely, yes.______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Onto other topics than my innocence and people's lack of reading comprehension. I am still campaigning on a Lynching of either Ciryandor, Mapco, or Chaosquo. They have all disappeared, posted like scummy shit and have not been pro-town at all. Thinking palmar is scum right now is like having a really large weight pulling at the end of your fishing line. It could be that trophy catch you've been waiting for your whole life, or it most likely is a boot. That is not to say he should be let off the hook though, Palmar you have posted very little to nothing at all. We all know you can be really good at town, if you truly are town, please start posting better. There are only 3 campaigns running that are not your standard cookie cutter mayoral campaigns. Those 3 are Bill Murray BloodyCobbler Myself As L said we need to get voting so that this wont be hijacked. [/b]
Read the OP more carefully, a lot of your argument is based on 'scum have to choose their masons' which isn't true.
Also
Foolishness outing you
You declaring that you're a mason, and announcing your candidacy
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On January 15 2012 01:29 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:18 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 01:16 risk.nuke wrote:Wasn't actually ment to post yet so ebwop and here is the follow-up part. I agree it's really about time to get the candidate numbers down, and start discussing. People needed to have voted by now so we could have had a decent idea of where people were standing, L I think you just might be alittle late to the race to run for mayor now. 4 On page 39 its stated that roles who get elected cannot be roleblocked; All of the current candidates for mayor are crumbing or have claimed roles that don't benefit from this. This issue is brought up a grand total of ONCE in the 12 pages since then and not discussed any further. - L Abot this. What do you want to do, elect a dt? What? you want to out a dt? are you crazy? I have no experience with anything like this before so if you wouldn't mind feel free to explain it warrants an "are you crazy?". It might be crystalclear to you, sorry but it's not to me.
Problems:
1) Fake claim.
2) Bodyguard replacements.
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Mattchew, you're still masoned with Foolishness correct? What else has been said since this post?
Additionally, why did your campaign take so long to start if one of the bonuses is you being a mason who used the ability really early? You confirmed your role 8 hours before declaring your candidacy, and foolishness had also posted really early on BM's qualities.
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Not to mention, BC declared his mason status 7 hours before you did, why are you a better choice than him, if the main thing confirming you as town is how quickly you declared your role?
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^that post was aimed at Mattchew
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On January 14 2012 11:39 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere. Sorry I missed this post. I pm'd him. Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.1Show nested quote +Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control2, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player). Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason. You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me? Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways. Original Message From Mattchew: Is there any motive behind your endorsement of Bill Murray, I think him BC and Meapack are the 3 I like most (BM being purely based off your endorsement). Also, its pretty prudent that you hide if you are scum from me. I am letting you know that I do not take your word of I'm a townie without a grain of salt. What would you say to me posting "if i die foolishness is mafia" right before the day 2 post. Also, if you are to survive into day 2 would you be willing to breadcrumb with me who I should mason and have mason'd back and forth? Original Message From Foolishness: okay Since there's no point in hiding it from you I'm a townie. What you want to do for this game is Mason with the town players, or anyone who you think is town. Masoning with the mafia isn't going to help you because they can just go afk for a day and you won't be able to get any information out of them. Since there are mafia mason's you probably want to avoid masoning blue roles since they might be paranoid you're mafia. So in the future, just mason with people who are active and making sense in the thread, your standard townies. Too early for me to give you suggestions for the future. I still need to catch up in the thread though. From where I am (like page 25 lol) none of the mayor candidates look promising so far. Original Message From Mattchew:
Sup Brohan,
Its me the Town Mason.
The reason I mason'd you was because I have a strong town read on you, know that you're a vet and an extremely strong town player. Also, I wanted to mason you now as many have mentioned you tend to get killed early on in games.
So I have never played a mason before, mind telling me how you think in a game of 50 I can go about this? I only get a night/day cycle per person so I hope that I can get as much information from you and other vets early on as well on how to play this role. I am also open to suggestions about who the next person I mason is.
hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is matt Show nested quote +Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now. Original Message From Mattchew: Idk what you should say exactly, but I would try to drive home the fact that I am confirmed town, and regardless of whether or not you are scum or town, you would be saying that... I'll start writing my campaign page thing in like 20 minutes Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I can do that. Is there anything else you want me to mention in my post? Ciryandor is fine. Mapco seems like a good lynch. Chaosquo is also good. Original Message From Mattchew: Ok so I wanna run. I think the best way to start would be you announcing that I am going to run (proving that I have been pm'ing you and then both of us explaining why I am town and why I would be a good mayor. Any ideas on my stance on who to lynch, I was thinking ciryandor maybe. Original Message From Foolishness: Well yes, assuming you want to get into office claiming mason is the way to get there. And don't be worried about me. I prefer not to be in office so pick whoever you think is most pro-town (probably BC) and roll with that. It's basically a question of whether you want to claim or not. If you're going to claim you might as well run for office. Otherwise don't claim. Original Message From Mattchew: I think me claiming mason can help my campaign. It might also be the end of you lol. I think that being role block immune, mason, and confirmed town is a pretty good start for a mayor. I also want to endorse someone to run with me. I would say you but I don't know exactly how that would look. I think that endorsing meapack or BC would be the best options as long as they are actually townies. If I were to win the election I could illicit their opinions afterwords if they were to win as well. Me and a townie vet at the helm of town could be pretty powerful. Original Message From Foolishness: Also, if you don't want to claim I can claim mason for you. Then I can breadcrumb in one of my posts that you are the real mason so you can contact people in the future. Original Message From Mattchew: Im thinking about claiming, but would like to solicit your opinion on it before I do. I think that it will prove me as town by claiming mason and mason'ing you. I could also run for mayor based off of this and put a proven townie in the mayoral or sheriff seat Original Message From Foolishness:
I actually wouldn't be surprised if there were like 5 town mason's. While a mason is a blue role, mason's don't really help the town catch or kill mafia (like a DT or Vigi/Hatter would). Mason's only help two people communicate and bounce ideas off of each other. Information flow can be a very fickle thing in mafia games.
I got to go to a meeting be back later.
[quote] Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me?
And don't call yourself confirmed. Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies
1 Mostly everything? as in, this wasn't everything?
2 I blame L for noticing this. Why is Foolishness talking about controlling BM?
3 Could you add some time-stamps?
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On January 15 2012 03:15 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On January 15 2012 03:06 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 02:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Not to mention, BC declared his mason status 7 hours before you did, why are you a better choice than him, if the main thing confirming you as town is how quickly you declared your role? Because my posting, my logic, and the lack of cases against me (other than slippery slope highly unlikely situations) make me far more townie than BC is. No actually they don't. Your only reason for being mayor is that you're a mason and that foolishness trusts you. Given foolishnesses actions so far it's pretty clear he's trolling so that's really not an endorsement. And as for your mason claim, you're no more confirmed than BC is and he's done a lot more than you. imma quote myself from earlier Show nested quote +I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office.
Is it possible, yes. Is it 99% unlikely, yes.
So much WIFOM.
13 hours is a long time for mafia to act.
What are the real odds that you and Foolishness are scum buddies?
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Exactly how did you figure that a player who made a troll campaign for someone who hadn't even spoken yet was the most town?
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On January 15 2012 03:24 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Exactly how did you figure that a player who made a troll campaign for someone who hadn't even spoken yet was the most town? Can you link me to where I said this. I said I took a risk and pm'd the best town player, not the most townie person.
Your a new player right? Or relatively so? How would you know if Foolishness was the best town player in the game?
On January 15 2012 03:23 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 11:39 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere. Sorry I missed this post. I pm'd him. Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.1Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control2, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player). Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason. You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me? Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways. Original Message From Mattchew: Is there any motive behind your endorsement of Bill Murray, I think him BC and Meapack are the 3 I like most (BM being purely based off your endorsement). Also, its pretty prudent that you hide if you are scum from me. I am letting you know that I do not take your word of I'm a townie without a grain of salt. What would you say to me posting "if i die foolishness is mafia" right before the day 2 post. Also, if you are to survive into day 2 would you be willing to breadcrumb with me who I should mason and have mason'd back and forth? Original Message From Foolishness: okay Since there's no point in hiding it from you I'm a townie. What you want to do for this game is Mason with the town players, or anyone who you think is town. Masoning with the mafia isn't going to help you because they can just go afk for a day and you won't be able to get any information out of them. Since there are mafia mason's you probably want to avoid masoning blue roles since they might be paranoid you're mafia. So in the future, just mason with people who are active and making sense in the thread, your standard townies. Too early for me to give you suggestions for the future. I still need to catch up in the thread though. From where I am (like page 25 lol) none of the mayor candidates look promising so far. Original Message From Mattchew:
Sup Brohan,
Its me the Town Mason.
The reason I mason'd you was because I have a strong town read on you, know that you're a vet and an extremely strong town player. Also, I wanted to mason you now as many have mentioned you tend to get killed early on in games.
So I have never played a mason before, mind telling me how you think in a game of 50 I can go about this? I only get a night/day cycle per person so I hope that I can get as much information from you and other vets early on as well on how to play this role. I am also open to suggestions about who the next person I mason is.
hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is matt Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now. Original Message From Mattchew: Idk what you should say exactly, but I would try to drive home the fact that I am confirmed town, and regardless of whether or not you are scum or town, you would be saying that... I'll start writing my campaign page thing in like 20 minutes Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I can do that. Is there anything else you want me to mention in my post? Ciryandor is fine. Mapco seems like a good lynch. Chaosquo is also good. Original Message From Mattchew: Ok so I wanna run. I think the best way to start would be you announcing that I am going to run (proving that I have been pm'ing you and then both of us explaining why I am town and why I would be a good mayor. Any ideas on my stance on who to lynch, I was thinking ciryandor maybe. Original Message From Foolishness: Well yes, assuming you want to get into office claiming mason is the way to get there. And don't be worried about me. I prefer not to be in office so pick whoever you think is most pro-town (probably BC) and roll with that. It's basically a question of whether you want to claim or not. If you're going to claim you might as well run for office. Otherwise don't claim. Original Message From Mattchew: I think me claiming mason can help my campaign. It might also be the end of you lol. I think that being role block immune, mason, and confirmed town is a pretty good start for a mayor. I also want to endorse someone to run with me. I would say you but I don't know exactly how that would look. I think that endorsing meapack or BC would be the best options as long as they are actually townies. If I were to win the election I could illicit their opinions afterwords if they were to win as well. Me and a townie vet at the helm of town could be pretty powerful. Original Message From Foolishness:
Also, if you don't want to claim I can claim mason for you. Then I can breadcrumb in one of my posts that you are the real mason so you can contact people in the future.
[quote] On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me?
And don't call yourself confirmed. Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies 1 Mostly everything? as in, this wasn't everything? 2 I blame L for noticing this. Why is Foolishness talking about controlling BM? 3 Could you add some time-stamps? 1 I double pm'd him. here are 2 that i sent out 2 I don't want to speak for him, but i think he feels anytime BM is scum he can catch him extremely quickly 3 + Show Spoiler +
On August 12 2011 06:10 flamewheel wrote:Cheating:Cheating includes (but is not limited to): - Posting screenshots of your inbox.
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In future, just repost the old quoted stuff and add time-stamps in manually. Yes it's easier to fake and doesn't add much, but the possibility to catch something feigned incorrectly exsists.
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Ugh, I lead the poor guy into that mod-kill... I'm going to take a break and mull over the game, maybe sleep...
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On January 15 2012 04:01 Toadesstern wrote:
and re. I'll be voting BM right now. d1 (like RL-d1) I thought it's the most horrible thing possible but he gives me townvibes.
There's no way I will vote for sandro, bc or bum because I think either 1 or 2 out of them is scum and the mafia out of those is trying to screw with me / us.
I just don't want to vote into that triangle of I-don't-know.
wbg would be an alternative but I've got more of an stubborn-palmar read than a useless-palmar read and I'd like to lynch someone else d1. If possible someone who's not a vet and leave palmar for d2.
Wiggles and kita didn't say a lot lately so although I (somehow) got a townfeeling out of that much nothing I'd much rather vote someone else.
Mattchew and VE a re both town but I'd rather have someone else in that position imo.
Oh and everyone who got no mention either is hard to judge for me or is not worth a mention. Deal with it :p
Still catching up. I'm reading the last 2 pages, I'm eating and I will post a little bit more if needed.
I'll take that as me being too awesome for your judgement or something.
I'd like to hear from Foolishness now.
What made it seem like a good idea to make Mattchew run for mayor, over equally active people she had more history with? Why is she interested in controlling Bill Murray?
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On January 15 2012 04:11 Jayjay54 wrote:ok whatever here I go. Look at this little post made by yours truely (there are more in my filter): Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote:Hi friends! Up and awake. Spending my time at a Starbucks in order to stay on track. Sorry if I cover older posts in my analysis, I was asleep. Topics to discuss: A) Mattchew Let’s analyze his post. On January 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote:
I am running for Mayor.
I believe you should vote for me because I am confirmed town. How? Let me explain. I am a mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none. Not really an argument. A variance of the usual “I suck at scum”. Nothing special.Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him or b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught. This is logic. This make sense. Why would mafia PM the best town player straight away? After he already started a campaign for BM. There is no real perspective for scum here. And the idea that both are scum is strange, too. The BM campaign wouldn’t make sense. There’s no chance that all 3 are scum.Why should we vote you if you are bad?A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me. Not really confirmed. But by logic he’s likely town.B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability. Masons can’t get roleblock! They have a day action. So B is not really an issue. The townish vibes make the difference here. C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence. Makes sense to me. That is why the BC claim timing was so odd to me. He would have had a great chance to become mayor. What is your stance on Mayoral Issues.I will be active. I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from 13:30 GMT (+00:00) to 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around 03:00 GMT (+00:00). The standard obligatory "I suck at scum" I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3. Those 3 are (in no particular order) Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good. The mayor downside of his post . I agree with WBG here, these candidates suck. Would like to see Echelot or Palmar here. Mapco is a new player, you can clearly see it. So why lynch him.I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until 16:00 GMT (+00:00) That being said, before he was roleclaiming, he already posted some really townish posts to back him up like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#605http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#612http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=35#682He is clearly applying logic to help town. Passionately fighting for the right townplay. Thinking ahead and providing opinions and information. I like this. A lot. In the bigger picture, his playstyle alongside masoning foolishness doesn’t make sense as a scum play. The PM log seems consistent to other stuff they’ve been saying. E.g. foolishness attitude towards masons. It’s either well faked or real. Foolishness would never suggest his mafia buddy BM if he were scum only to proceed and claim another scum buddy. That’s way too risky. Therefore, I am convinced. And my townread clearly outweigh the disagreement in the lynch choices. So here it is: ##vote Mattchew It's Mattchew as you now know. Ask yourself. Is that a scum post? Is it? Really? REALLY? Didn't think so. So, if you are scared of ending up with a scum mayor. Vote Jayjay for mayor. That's right. I put myself out there. Not because I am experienced. But I got good reads, am active (probably one of the most active ones), look beautiful and I am not really a scum as I've shown! Just giving my town friends another option. [/b]
Mattchew seemed to be easy to control for the brief time he was here. I could theoretically have seen voting for him as scum agenda. Not only that, you're attempting to take town cred from the flip, and use it as the sole basis to start an entirely new wagon?
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On January 15 2012 04:24 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 04:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 15 2012 04:01 Toadesstern wrote:
and re. I'll be voting BM right now. d1 (like RL-d1) I thought it's the most horrible thing possible but he gives me townvibes.
There's no way I will vote for sandro, bc or bum because I think either 1 or 2 out of them is scum and the mafia out of those is trying to screw with me / us.
I just don't want to vote into that triangle of I-don't-know.
wbg would be an alternative but I've got more of an stubborn-palmar read than a useless-palmar read and I'd like to lynch someone else d1. If possible someone who's not a vet and leave palmar for d2.
Wiggles and kita didn't say a lot lately so although I (somehow) got a townfeeling out of that much nothing I'd much rather vote someone else.
Mattchew and VE a re both town but I'd rather have someone else in that position imo.
Oh and everyone who got no mention either is hard to judge for me or is not worth a mention. Deal with it :p
Still catching up. I'm reading the last 2 pages, I'm eating and I will post a little bit more if needed. I'll take that as me being too awesome for your judgement or something. I'd like to hear from Foolishness now. What made it seem like a good idea to make Mattchew run for mayor, over equally active people she had more history with? Why is she interested in controlling Bill Murray? actually yeah. I have no idea what you're up to at this point in time. I'm going to quote from my sheet: I tried several times to get something about you going but I never was able to put something into words. You're like THE nullread I have in this game and I don't know why I have so much trouble to figure you out. Want to to me a faver and tell me real fast who you want to lynch and who's the best mayor in your opinion (other than yourself) ? I don't really want to read your filter again right now
Mayor, I honestly have no idea. I was pretty close to going for Mattchew after he explained how he got to choosing Foolishness. I suppose BC doesn't seem like the bad choice people make him out to be, I feel like he's explained his plan enough.
Lynch... Probably VisceraEyes or Risk.Nuke, for starting a mayorial campaign and giving up on it.
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