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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 16 2012 04:05 GMT
#1711
On January 16 2012 12:56 kingjames01 wrote:
Do you have a read on a second player?


Double lynches wouldn't be put into effect until day three if we pass it on day two, if I understand correctly. I agree that a double lynch is a good idea however.

I'll have to post tomorrow regarding the lynch since I have to get some sleep. Masons feel free to give me a ring
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 17 2012 00:56 GMT
#1934
Protactinium, since you are here, could you please provide me with all communication that has taken place between you two? Omit what you feel is unnecessary to share, but please don't ignore my request. Thanks
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 17 2012 01:08 GMT
#1941
On January 17 2012 10:06 Protactinium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 10:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Protactinum, Incognito/Mystlord, again, for the umpteenth time, many in the thread, myself, Lanaia, BC, and I'm sure others, have asked you to head your posts with the person posting.

It does not matter who is posting. A shared account is a shared account. It is not two voices battling for dominance. It is one voice with one opinion.


Could you acknowledge that you have read my request from 10 minutes ago?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 17 2012 01:53 GMT
#1978
Really Incog/Mystlord? Have I been invisible listed? You could at least refuse my request with an explanation rather than ignoring me twice. Lets not spam the thread more than it needs to be. One you share, I can move on to much more important things
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 17 2012 02:09 GMT
#1988
On January 17 2012 10:58 Protactinium wrote:
Its not relevant. I'm not responding because its not relevant. Can we please ask relevant questions instead of pestering people for irrelevant details? Nothing against you personally, but I can't be responding to everything.

We all need to focus on what's important, which is figuring out this lynch.


Of course it is relevant. It was a request to determine if you are playing a two person game with your partner, in which you would have logs to provide, or a hivemind game with 10 players, in which you would not. I would think that you would be willing to exchange 1 post of "irrelevant" information in order to help support your innocence, but apparently that is not the case. Anyways, back in a bit.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 17 2012 05:37 GMT
#2101
I find it interesting that masons are more interested in getting reads off the Sheriff than to have a chat with the guy that just got shot. Everyone is talking about how dangerous masons can be because of the possibility that one of the two players could be scum, yet nobody wants to take advantage of having a conversation without that possibility? I'm hurt

BM, there has been quite a drop off in your play from day one to day two. Do you honestly believe it is easier to identify a scum that will be shooting than it is to identify a town that will be shot? No more nonsense with your sheriff role please. I feel it was a poor decision to share the bodyguard identities, that will only lead to problems down the road. Your focus on masons concerns me and I'm having difficulty following you at times.

bugs, your current vote explanation is extremely weak. What happened to the Scamp case?

On January 17 2012 06:18 Slardar wrote:
I never said let's not scumhunt


Yet that's what your actions say. Do you care who gets lynched or are you just along for the ride? There are people in this game that have been so irrelevant, they're not even worthy of being brought up as lurkers. Cwave, BrownBear (?!), Munk-E, Slardar, rtgICEMAN, Maxella, igabod (or whoever his replacement was). You guys are harming the game by not playing. If you don't contribute, we're eventually going to get to a point where all the active players have been killed off and the only way to distinguish players is whether they made two posts or three. If your name is listed and you are town, please don't disappoint.

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Here are my thoughts about my lynch preference for today, L.

He never mentions a serious lynch candidate on day one. That is not one of his priorities.

His entire focus is on the election and discussing other trivial matters. His approach to the election is not to comment on the election candidates or share his opinion on them as individuals, but to discredit them in a broad sense. He explains numerous times how there is probably a scum within the frontrunners, but never indicates which one. He apparently has no opinion on BC's mason fiasco, nor ever mentions the campaigns of prot or BM. In addition, you go out of your way to discredit Foolishness on numerous occasions.

Instead of selecting one of the frontrunners, he supports VE with the following statement:

On January 15 2012 06:23 L wrote:
I'll vote for you if you figure out a snazzy plan to confirm that you aren't bullshitting about your role.


Obviously role has nothing to do with alignment. You even reference this fact later on in one of your posts. The goal of the Jack is not to confirm his role. Any means of attempting to confirm his role only takes away from his ability to use his role in a pro-town fashion.

Now on to your first actual scum suspect:

On January 16 2012 23:32 L wrote:
2) Short end of the stick is that Kurumi crumbed shooting Kenpachi yesterday and he's still alive. I wanted to wait to see if he'd claim being hit, but he hasn't. Veterans/Medic protected individuals on the town side would have claimed this asap. Kenpachi wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Given all of that, the only way I can explain him being alive after Kurumi's flip is that Kurumi's pretty overt crumb was a lie (odd, given that kurumi WAS a vig), or that Kenpachi is the mafia jack, or was saved by the mafia jack.

So uh, Kenpachi's my lynch vote for the day.


Essentially your entire argument comes down to Kurumi hinted that he might shoot Kenpachi. I find it incredibly odd that you have decided that it is more likely that Kenpachi was saved by the mafia jack, than it is for kurumi to have not shot last night. From my perspective, if the mafia team was truly worried about kurumi shooting kenpachi, they don't waste a JACK ability, they bury the roleblock with the kurumi hit. Essentially your explanation is that mafia decided to give up a kp (Jack role use) in exchange for being able to roleblock you. That's not something I buy.

##Vote L
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 17 2012 06:03 GMT
#2110
On January 17 2012 14:57 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 14:37 kitaman27 wrote:

On January 16 2012 23:32 L wrote:
2) Short end of the stick is that Kurumi crumbed shooting Kenpachi yesterday and he's still alive. I wanted to wait to see if he'd claim being hit, but he hasn't. Veterans/Medic protected individuals on the town side would have claimed this asap. Kenpachi wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Given all of that, the only way I can explain him being alive after Kurumi's flip is that Kurumi's pretty overt crumb was a lie (odd, given that kurumi WAS a vig), or that Kenpachi is the mafia jack, or was saved by the mafia jack.

So uh, Kenpachi's my lynch vote for the day.


Essentially your entire argument comes down to Kurumi hinted that he might shoot Kenpachi. I find it incredibly odd that you have decided that it is more likely that Kenpachi was saved by the mafia jack, than it is for kurumi to have not shot last night. From my perspective, if the mafia team was truly worried about kurumi shooting kenpachi, they don't waste a JACK ability, they bury the roleblock with the kurumi hit. Essentially your explanation is that mafia decided to give up a kp (Jack role use) in exchange for being able to roleblock you. That's not something I buy.

##Vote L

...I'm sorry, but don't jacks get two ability uses, and only able to use each ability once? And your saying knowing if a vig hit was targeted at a mafia would be bad for a mafia and a waste of a jack power to use it to protect the mafia? Or am I just reading this wrong...if you could just clarify what you're trying to say here....because I think it'd be far better for the mafia to if they protected one of there own, and try and roleblock someone else during the night...The vig would become a regular townie the next day. But I could be mistaken. Although it makes L trying to find out VE's "vig target" earlier more in line with what you were saying.


Essentially L's explanation is that it is more likely that kenpachi was saved by a Jack than it is that kurumi did not shoot kenpachi. However, this means that instead of roleblocking kurumi, they decided to waste one of their two joat abilities. This is not a logical move and my case is based on L unwilling to consider the alternatives.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 17 2012 17:36 GMT
#2183
So much for parity between lynch candidates. Disappointing that we have only been able to put pressure on a single player this cycle. Anything you would like to share Macpo? Perhaps a scum suspect list that isn't a list of inactives?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 17 2012 21:25 GMT
#2256
On January 18 2012 06:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Foolishness, Protact/Incog, or BC. Get in this thread and start pushing your chosen candidate or I'm going to go back and vote GGQ. I expected you guys to try and lead this thread, however if you're unwilling or unable then the thread will derp (as it is now). At least when I'm pushing someone the thread has direction, right now everyone and their grandma is screaming scum at someone else.


What is your opinion on my chosen candidate Meapak? You mention L has been playing similar to Responsibility Mafia. Do you agree he is scummy and worthy of your vote?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 19 2012 02:33 GMT
#2489
BM you should be 100% be jailing a scum suspect. Essentially you're a dt that may bypass godfather, millers and framers + a medic this cycle by reducing kp. Town has little tolerance for a mistake or off the wall choice, so I hope you make a legitimate choice for your own sake. ty ^_^

I'll try to post again in a bit.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 19 2012 03:00 GMT
#2500
If you haven't done it already, I'd really recommend looking through Macpo's filter. I think there are several people who look town based on basic interactions.

The assumption that there was a scum mayoral candidate among BC, BM, and prot may be likely, but its not set in stone. If you think one of the players is scummy, build a case. The following argument is not logically sound: BC and prot look town, therefore BM must be scum. At this point, I strongly question why a mayoral candidate needs to be lynched, while there are several other better alternatives. However, if BM comes out saying he has jailed random player with 3 posts x as his strongest scum suspect, hold him accountable. Remember his reasoning for protecting Lanaia is 100% invalid. It was not possible to reduce the scum kp on night one.

As mafia, if BM were town, I would doublestack/withhold a kp/claim a hit tonight. By hiding the kp, you incriminate the sheriff target. Keep the possibility in the back of your mind.

There is too much focus on the same 5-6 players. We may have done a good job at pulling for two scum kills, but we have not done a good job at drawing out all players to contribute. There is no incentive to actively post as scum currently because there are so many other players that have failed to contribute.

I still support an L lynch tomorrow. As for the other candidate, I'll have to take another look through the thread, but we don't necessarily have to go after two high profile targets.

Opz, if you are willing, I'd enjoy a mason chat.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 19 2012 03:05 GMT
#2509
Excellent ^_^
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 19 2012 06:12 GMT
#2617
On January 19 2012 15:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You/protact have correctly called out enough scum that if you guys really think Bill is scum I'll go with it


Weak.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 19 2012 22:52 GMT
#2718
Would you please respond to these few remarks BM? Thanks.

On January 14 2012 19:34 Bill Murray wrote:
Are people open to me lynching a mason claim if I come into office? If so, I'll be lynching OpZ or Mattchew.


On January 15 2012 15:46 Bill Murray wrote:
That fucking sucks Matt got modkilled. He was pretty confirmed with his masoning of Foolishness in my eyes.


Uhh, what happened here? He goes from one of your lynch candidates to confirmed town without any reference in between?

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 13 2012 16:25 Bill Murray wrote:
I have a towntell on someone, as well to top shit off


On January 13 2012 16:26 Bill Murray wrote:
I have a legitimate towntell from someone else


On January 17 2012 11:53 Bill Murray wrote:
I have a confirmed town, too, pretty much


On January 17 2012 20:29 Bill Murray wrote:
kita, in regards to your list of lurkers, I view two of them as town for certain reasons


What is the point of these generic "towntell" posts. Do you think they benefit the thread or do they only serve to make you look good?

On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote:
WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP


Could you explain your reasoning at this point?

Here is the mafia kp chart:

KP - #
4 - 10
4 - 9
4 - 8
3 - 7

On night 1, there were ten mafia alive. Therefore to lower the kp, you would have to jail three different scum players. I'm pretty sure that's not possible.

On January 17 2012 20:20 Bill Murray wrote:
I know Lanaia from IRC, if she's town she's a great scumhunter
Jailing foolishness is a waste when he's definitely going to be protected by a doctor


You clarify it here. So you're protecting her because you thought she was town? I thought it was to reduce the scum kp? Wasn't she on your scum list? Could you please elaborate on your intentions?

On January 17 2012 12:35 Bill Murray wrote:
Ok, guys, I've passed on the names of the BGs to the 2 masons that masoned me
the other guy townslipped in PMs with me


Why are you so trusting with something as important as the BG names?

So now you're claiming madhatter because you want one more day to live. Who is your bomb on? You can't be roleblocked, so there is no harm in revealing.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 20 2012 18:28 GMT
#2898
Voting BM due to the potential hilarity of lynching a sheriff mad hatter that explodes Protactinium (or maybe because I think he is scum, one of the two).

For the second lynch, I'll have to take a stronger look after class.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 20 2012 22:52 GMT
#3036
I'm uncomfortable at the amount of buddying up there is among certain players (Meapak, BC, Foolishness, Prot). I don't like hearing: "I'll support this lynch, even though it isn't my preference, because player X supports this lynch and he has been showing good results so far." Even if that player is pushing all the correct lynches, it doesn't give us information later on if everyone is blindly following a player without providing an explanation.

With the BM situation, when you're scum and you know you're getting lynched, the ideal move is to always role claim to buy time. BM is currently threatening the town, stating that if we kill him off, "he is going to take one of our strongest scum hunters with him". Under the assumption that scum will always role claim to avoid the lynch, I feel people should be unvoting him if they think he is town or hope to utilize the sheriff ability, not because of his threat.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 21 2012 20:24 GMT
#3363
bum, you were masoned on day two by opz. Could you explain your reasoning for not replying to his pms?

On January 13 2012 14:49 bumatlarge wrote:
AND PLEASE MASON ME. I'll live with not being the mayor, but I love me some masons. Don't worry I'm not infected this game. Then I can share with you my knowledge. Also, I may or may not be batman this game, I feel a surge of confidence after winning the last game.


On January 13 2012 15:57 bumatlarge wrote:
Mason Favorite role, I kind of laugh when I see mafia masons, as they are not good at all. It's basically more work for mafia to convince people in the thread and then in PMs. Still be wary. There is a lot of mindgames in PMs, but nothing is as cool as being sure the other person is town. It's basically like a mini-game of mafia. Give each other analysis, and plan out what you will do with the other person. Better yet, mason me and we will a force to be reckoned with.

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 22 2012 02:41 GMT
#3405
You see BC as a power role? The guy who spent the entire game talking about his mason claim?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 22 2012 02:44 GMT
#3407
On January 22 2012 11:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 11:41 kitaman27 wrote:
You see BC as a power role? The guy who spent the entire game talking about his mason claim?


why have you done next to nothing for the past...I dunno...ever?


You think I'm scum bugs?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 22 2012 03:03 GMT
#3414
opz, bum, BM (maybe brownbear) I believe should be the lynch candidates today, baring any night action results that might change my mind. It bothers me that meapak hasn't been night hit, but I haven't been able to come up with a case that I'm confident enough to support.

Here are my mason logs with opz. I was leaning scum on him so I requested him as a mason partner. Based on the conversation, nothing has really changed. I'll try to make a more detailed post tomorrow.

+ Show Spoiler +

Original Message From ~OpZ~:
....Well you see....I wanted to shoot you but Bill Murray took the gun from me. KERPOW.

My thoughts on the game right now? I've read up until I last posted because I'm fed up with myself, clicked the page with the number gap, seen you asked me to mason you, seen who died, and the lynch and went to work. So I've read page, 124/5/6 but I only know the game from page 101?

Two people I'd like to see lynched the most?
VE. JayJay's post on page 137 with the terrible quotes. I really like it. Followed by VE asking Jackal if its okay he puts him on his lynch list? -__- I read on one of those pages after that Jackal claimed he shot L by that point or am I confused, I gotta actually read the thread from where I stopped.

And I'd look at scamp if I were you.

Aren't tabs just the most wonderful things ever?
btw. I was just perusing the thread. Your post on Bill Murray sucks. Or I'm just reading impaired.
Show nested quote +
Original Message From kitaman27:
Hey ^_^

Which one of you dirty scum shot me?

Thoughts on the game right now? Which two people would you like to see lynched?

Also, mind if I take a look at your mason logs from yesterday?

Original Message From ~OpZ~:
Whats up?


[13:14] <opz> sir
01[13:14] <kitaman27> hey <3
01[13:14] <kitaman27> sec, let me get out of bed :p
01[13:18] <kitaman27> mmk back
01[13:19] <kitaman27> who did you mason on day two? I forget
[13:21] <opz> bum, but we didn't talk besides my initial message to him
01[13:22] <kitaman27> ah
[13:22] <opz> I didn't even talk to BC much
[13:22] <opz> or you
01[13:22] <kitaman27> heh
01[13:24] <kitaman27> you mentioned I should be looking at scamp, any reason in particular?
[13:28] <opz> More than a few posts by him are worthless, and not pushing an issue, or even giving his opinion, just looking through his filter is enough you don't even need to see the content. He seemed to of flown under the radar.
01[13:29] <kitaman27> any reason you haven't brought him up yourself?
[13:31] <opz> That's simple, I haven't been around and hadn't never given him a look. I'm only messaging you while I'm looking for something to do for my kinda gf's birthday
01[13:32] <kitaman27>
[13:32] <opz> My job wants me to come in to work today again -_-...
01[13:33] <kitaman27> evil
01[13:33] <kitaman27> don't they realize you have mafia duties to attend to?
[13:33] <opz> -_-
[13:33] <opz> I was scheduled off 5 days, which pissed me off, but then they call me in every day -_-
01[13:33] <kitaman27> ouch
[13:33] <opz> I thought I'd have time....plenty of time
01[13:34] <kitaman27> meapak, prot, foolishness, bm, bc...any of them stick out as scum to you?
[13:34] <opz> BC's recent posts have been poor (from what I've seen from 120ish to 168)
[13:35] <opz> I wouldn't say he's scum, but he's ruining my strong view of him as town...
01[13:35] <kitaman27> do you think this logs with sandroba were fake?
[13:35] <opz> Foolishness probably isn't scum
[13:36] <opz> That's the kicker Kita
[13:36] <opz> I don't think he could fake THAT much
[13:37] <opz> I actually read them
01[13:38] <kitaman27> how do you feel about the timing of his day one mason claim? He says it wasn't an attempt to get elected, but what did it actually accomplish?
[13:40] <opz> Honestly...I don't think much was going on in the thread when he through it out there. It seems like too much attention for a mafia to want to bring to himself. And I feel like its a worthless role. Why not?
[13:41] <opz> your opinion?
[13:41] <opz> Your not giving me any opinion kita
01[13:41] <kitaman27> Maybe you haven't earned my opinion!
01[13:42] <kitaman27> How about BM? Do you still think he is town?
[13:45] <opz> lmao
[13:45] <opz> fuck this
Session Close: Sat Jan 21 13:51:00 2012

Session Start: Sat Jan 21 13:52:11 2012
Session Ident: opz
[13:52] Session Ident: opz (QuakeNet, kitaman27) (~chatzilla@c-98-244-187-183.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)
[13:52] <opz> unless scamp is confirmed and I missed it, his post on WBG -_-
01[13:52] <kitaman27> haha wb :p
[13:54] <opz> "*insert some petty name calling to start an argument in thread* I wanna say he's scum *yadaddadadadadaaa*...but hes probably town"
01[13:55] <kitaman27> nothing against you, but there are only 2-3 people I would trust with my opinions at this point. I'll definitely listen to anything you have to say though
01[13:55] <kitaman27> who do you plan to mason tonight?
[13:56] <opz> Quid Pro Quo, Clarice
01[13:58] <kitaman27> Unfortunately I got shot with no counterclaim, was the first person to bring up Macpo and made the strongest case against L. There is more reason for you to trust me than there is for me to trust you
01[13:58] <kitaman27> If you don't have a town read on me, then you're not obligated to share your opinion
[13:59] <opz> yea, but I find talking with nothing being said in reverse to be rather boring and unfulfilling
01[13:59] <kitaman27> I think jackal is town
01[13:59] <kitaman27> your turn
[14:00] <opz> lmao, I concur with that sentiment. I think Cwave doesn't post.
01[14:01] <kitaman27> We already have evidence that L was refusing to reply to masons, why do you think bum would refuse to talk with you?
[14:02] <opz> Good question
01[14:02] <kitaman27> seems like something you might want to question in the thread.
01[14:04] <kitaman27> Earlier you mentioned VE as a person to lynch, have you changed your mind?
[14:07] <opz> Actually...VE's been posting good
[14:08] <opz> I had to read some shit just not
[14:08] <opz> now*
[14:08] <opz> he's a lil hectic tho....a more tame BillMurray?
01[14:08] <kitaman27> lol yikes
[14:09] <opz> ...Lol...Sheer post count I think supports that, and almost all his posts are his thoughts at that second, and they change rather frequently
01[14:09] <kitaman27> heh true
[14:10] <opz> I don't like how he has more then a few posts asking mod questions -_-
01[14:10] <kitaman27> heh I hate when scum ask mods questions they know the answer to as an attempt to gain town cred
01[14:11] <kitaman27> There were 4 shots and no vig claims, which makes it likely that the mafia jack shot last night, unless VE/toad was lying about their hit claims.
[14:12] <opz> didn't two vigis die?
01[14:12] <kitaman27> yes, but neither claimed a shot
[14:12] <opz> ...i'm confused...
[14:12] <opz> why would they claim it before they shot?
01[14:13] <kitaman27> as in at the 10:00 deadline where mafia can't change their actions
01[14:13] <kitaman27> sheth knows enough to do this based on responsibility mafia
01[14:13] <kitaman27> not sure about adam though
[14:15] <opz> Ew Kita
[14:15] <opz> I hate how that sounded...That sounds like intentionally abusing a system
01[14:15] <kitaman27> lol that has happened in 95% of the games in the last year
01[14:15] <kitaman27> jackal did it with his L shot
[14:16] <opz> I never noticed then, but damn...Sorry man, my moral compass points the other way tho
[14:17] <opz> which is why I wanted to smack BC when I first masoned him and he wouldn't respond
01[14:17] <kitaman27> heh
01[14:17] <kitaman27> its weird that we haven't seen signs of a mafia roleblocker yet
01[14:17] <kitaman27> I'm having trouble believing they don't have one
01[14:18] <kitaman27> which means they are probably burrying it in their hits
[14:18] <opz> um...still...They both might not of known that is what they are "supposed" to do
01[14:19] <kitaman27> sheth posted vigs shouldn't be shooting in the thread on night two and adam never hinted at being suspicious of either
01[14:20] <kitaman27> any particular reason why you masoned bum over L on day two? Didn't you vote L for mayor?
[14:21] <opz> Do I have to mason everyone I vote for?
[14:21] <opz> -_-
01[14:21] <kitaman27> nope, just curious
[14:23] <opz> I'm about to go to work
01[14:23] <kitaman27> mmk have fun
01[14:23] <kitaman27> Nice chatting with you
Session Close: Sat Jan 21 14:25:23 2012


As for p4's case against BC, the only reason I wouldn't push a mayoral lynch would be his pms logs with sandro. Back in pypi, the first thing me and sandro did as scum buddies was to create a fake conversation, so it isn't out of the question they could be fake. We spent 40 minutes creating logs that weren't even used in the game. Looking through the logs between sandro and BC, that looks at least 3 hours of conversation that is essentially about nonsense if they are both scum. For this reason, I'm not willing to lynch him before the four above names have flipped.

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[16:36] <sandroba> hey
[16:36] <kitaman27_> sup
[16:36] <sandroba> who do you plan on supporting for mayor?
[16:36] <sandroba> have you decided yet?
[16:37] <kitaman27_> probably mig, but for pardoner, not mayor
[16:37] <sandroba> how are you going to acomplish that
[16:38] <sandroba> lol
[16:38] <sandroba> every person only has one vote
[16:38] <sandroba> isn't pardoner the runner up?
[16:38] <kitaman27_> heh well syllo told me that mig wants pardoner too
[16:38] <kitaman27_> so we can coordinate so he gets second
[16:38] <kitaman27_> who do you want? Not jimbo I assume?
[16:39] <sandroba> I'm voting mig
[16:39] <sandroba> don't care if pardoner or mayor
[16:39] <sandroba> I was hoping I could elect both
[16:39] <kitaman27_> what about mig makes you want to vote for him?
[16:39] <sandroba> well there is plenty of our shit in the thread already
[16:39] <sandroba> I'm kinda tired of repeating myself over 2000x times
[16:40] <kitaman27_> I saw the reason for syllo. Is it just by association?
[16:40] <sandroba> but basically I have my own reasons to trust him
[16:40] <sandroba> and yes
[16:40] <sandroba> I trust syllo's judgment too
[16:40] <sandroba> as I'm positive he is town
[16:40] <kitaman27_> Do you think jimbo's analysis against you is scum motivated or is he just wrong?
[16:41] <sandroba> man
[16:41] <sandroba> I can't wrap around my head
[16:41] <sandroba> any townie motivations for posting that shit
[16:42] <sandroba> I've argued plenty about it on thread
[16:42] <sandroba> I thought my opinion was clear
[16:42] <kitaman27_> if you had to suggest 1 person to mig to lynch, would it be jimbo? Or is there somebody else?
[16:42] <kitaman27_> *for
[16:42] <sandroba> I'm kinda undecided
[16:42] <sandroba> but leaning chaoser
[16:42] <sandroba> between him and chaoser
[16:43] <sandroba> on the off chance jimbo is town and has an awesome role
[16:43] <kitaman27_> lol chaoser seems to be a popular name from what I've heard
[16:43] <kitaman27_> what about chaoser makes him scummy?
[16:43] <sandroba> plenty
[16:44] <sandroba> the convos we had in skype
[16:44] <sandroba> are pretty damn near impossible to be from a townie perspective
[16:44] <kitaman27_> anything in particular?
[16:44] <sandroba> first
[16:45] <sandroba> let's hear what you think about him
[16:45] <kitaman27_> But I asked first
[16:45] <sandroba> as I can never tell if you are scum or not
[16:45] <kitaman27_> I'm never scum ^_^
[16:45] <sandroba> you sneaky snake
[16:45] <sandroba> you asked plenty already
[16:45] <sandroba> your turn to answer =P
[16:46] <kitaman27_> I've only had one major conversation asking his input about foolishness, where he was extremely careful in the way he responded
[16:46] <sandroba> that's weird
[16:46] <kitaman27_> overall it just seems like he has been unwilling to accuse anybody of anything yet
[16:46] <sandroba> cuz foolishness also thinks he is scum
[16:47] <kitaman27_> I haven't seen signs of him actively scum hunting yet
[16:47] <kitaman27_> lol don't get me started on my chat with foolishness
[16:47] <kitaman27_> strange to say the least
[16:47] <kitaman27_> but not sure if its necessarily scum motivated
[16:47] <kitaman27_> your turn
[16:47] <kitaman27_> why chaoser?
[16:48] <sandroba> I was trying to convince him to step down
[16:48] <sandroba> as you can see in thread
[16:49] <sandroba> and then told him my motives to believe syllo is town
[16:49] <sandroba> he trusted it so much
[16:49] <sandroba> that he deemed it cheating
[16:49] <sandroba> and pm'ed gm about it
[16:49] <sandroba> when gm said that was not cheating
[16:49] <sandroba> he back pedalled and concluded "you must be lying then"
[16:50] <sandroba> I proved to him that running against mig was a bad idea if he was town
[16:50] <sandroba> and he acused me of being heavy handed
[16:50] <kitaman27_> If he really wanted mayor, I would think he would be campaigning way more heavily
[16:50] <sandroba> forcing him to step down
[16:50] <sandroba> that screams of fear to me
[16:50] <kitaman27_> kinda like radfield
[16:50] <sandroba> he later
[16:50] <sandroba> agreed to step down lol
[16:51] <kitaman27_> hmm
[16:51] <sandroba> i have the logs
[16:51] <sandroba> but it's like 10 pages long
[16:52] <kitaman27_> I'll take a look if you wanna pm them to me
[16:52] <sandroba> he is scum though
[16:52] <kitaman27_> I've got nothing better to do
[16:52] <sandroba> k I guess there is no harm
[16:52] <sandroba> even if you are scum
[16:52] <sandroba> =P
[16:52] <sandroba> do you suspect anyone so far?
[16:53] <sandroba> brb that shit is long
[16:53] <kitaman27_> k
[16:53] <kitaman27_> I've been trying to exchange pms with heist and its been really tough to get anything out of him.
[16:53] <sandroba> k sent
[16:53] <kitaman27_> ty :D
[16:54] <sandroba> lol
[16:54] <sandroba> is heist even playing
[16:54] <sandroba> man
[16:54] <kitaman27_> barely -_-
[16:54] <sandroba> too many people are hiding hardcore
[16:54] <sandroba> radfield just had to remind me foolishness was playing
[16:54] <kitaman27_> lol I think there are a couple people who haven't even posted yet
[16:54] <sandroba> so I talked to him the first time today
[16:54] <kitaman27_> how did that go?
[16:54] <sandroba> despite having in on skype lol
[16:55] <sandroba> he basically trolled me
[16:55] <sandroba> and gave me nothing
[16:55] <kitaman27_> -_-
[16:55] <kitaman27_> sounds familiar
[16:56] <sandroba> ...
[16:56] <sandroba> he claims he wants to "survive night one"
[16:56] <sandroba> cool
[16:56] <sandroba> to acomplish what is my question
[16:56] <sandroba> he is pick 25
[16:56] <kitaman27_> its kinda strange that he wants to survive yet doesn't run for mayor, even though he could win it blindfolded
[16:56] <sandroba> if he is townie
[16:57] <sandroba> he will have no cred by day2 =/
[16:57] <sandroba> then even if he does a great job
[16:57] <kitaman27_> I asked him his reasoning for voting mig and he said it was because mig was the smallest threat to town
[16:57] <sandroba> it doesn't matter
[16:57] <sandroba> well
[16:57] <sandroba> if he is voting mig
[16:57] <sandroba> then I don't care right now
[16:58] <kitaman27_> lol well you might be outta luck
[16:58] <kitaman27_> after jimbo's post, he seemed to have changed his mind
[16:58] <sandroba> how come?
[16:58] <sandroba> ...
[16:58] <kitaman27_> he said "Jimbo was the only one who understood how this game works"
[16:58] <kitaman27_> yet didn't really mention anything about you in particular
[16:59] <kitaman27_> He did try to suggest kenpachi has a defensive role at 2, so at least that gives him some town points
[17:01] <kitaman27_> anyways, I'll bbl
[17:01] <kitaman27_> ttyl
[17:01] <sandroba> sorry
[17:01] <sandroba> I was talking to wbg
[17:02] <sandroba> k ttyl then
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