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Why I wasn't able to post in the game is between myself and the mods. The details do nothing to enhance the game and can be revealed by the mods during or after the game.
It is entirely within my right to scrutinze you. You put yourself out there when you decided to run for an elected position. In fact, that was one of your pillars on which you ran your candidacy.
I have never suggested or supported the lynching of your Bodyguards. As long there are precautions taken to give us the names of the Bodyguards in the event of your or BM's early demise, I am fine with it. However, since I respect your abilities to succeed as scum, I don't trust your intentions. I don't trust your actions. I don't trust your plans.
Mafia is a game of information. The control of information is crucial to both sides. In a game with so many posts, information can be lost or buried so easily. Instead, look at our actions and discuss what they accomplished.
I am very vocal about the Bodyguards being made public. What was the purpose? To ensure that we at least come out even if the Mayor and/or Sheriff were killed prematurely.
I am very vocal against the idea that Masons should mass claim. Why? To allow experienced Masons to work unhampered and be able to disseminate any information in the future without fear of being lynched upon surfacing.
I summarize a big-picture look at the major events of Day 1 in an effort to help re-focus the Town. I can't do it by myself but that is the best, pro-Town move that we can all do, other than to find a scum.
What have you done?
You ran a candidacy based on accountability. You re-iterated that all elected officials be watched carefully.
You pushed a calm Town into a frenzy with your Mason claim, (which can no longer be verified).
You initiated a mass Mason plan which effectively hamstrings any Masons who want to work in private.
You lynched a Town player with input based on some compromise that we can't see.
All I'm asking is that you be accountable to your election platform and to your actions. Stop trying to start a fight. Give us your PM logs.
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On January 16 2012 11:59 Kenpachi wrote:
i think you're mafia blahz0r
On January 16 2012 12:00 Kenpachi wrote:oh shit i posted this without refreshing l0l. but yeah i was referring to this post + Show Spoiler +On January 16 2012 11:04 blahz0r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:58 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2012 11:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm willing to vote bum for the fact that I like him right now. I think he's
Bum are you willing to lynch Palmar?
I'd be willing to lynch BC too if I continue feeling the way I'm feeling about him. But we'll see. Need more time on that, since BC is much harder to read than Palmar. Palmar's just like lolscum woke up and I'm at this post. Yeah I liked bum a lot too but I don't really like the people he likes  So you went from liking him to not liking him because of the people he likes. Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 01:52 Toadesstern wrote:
btw I'm not convinced risk.nuke is mafia at all :p
I'd gladly lynch scumdroba or bum. I think sandroba is more scummy however I am a little afraid that we might end up lynching a townie because BC might be a mafia too. If BC's a mafia I don' think sandroba is mafia.
Conclusion: I want to lynch sandroba. I'd rather not risk lynching BC so early and lynching sandroba is way better information for us while giving pretty decent chance to hit a red mine Now you want to lynch him? Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 08:20 Toadesstern wrote:On January 16 2012 06:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
@ Toadesstern:
Please explain why you find bumatlarge to be scummy.
Also, summarize your thoughts on Protactinium and sandroba while you're at it. I want to know things from you.
as promised (sry took longer because I completly forgot it ) about sandroba:I don't like the fact that BC lynched Palmar at all. Sandroba was the guy who made BC lynch Palmar instead of whoever he wanted to lynch first. I asked BC and Sandroba to show me their pm logs, neither one did it and I don't like the coincidence of bc masoning sandroba although I have to agree that that one point probably is circular reasoning because I think it's something that makes bc scummy Sandroba's budding with Palmar (without a reason) and with BC (without giving an explanation). Also he voted BC. If you now look at what I posted about bum and BC you realize that there's a lot of mentioning each other within this circle of BC-Bum-Sandroba. I've got the feeling sandroba is trying to trick me/ us his picks and his style obviously is not helping at all.My highest priority to lynch right now would be sandroba, followed by bum. I won't support a bc lynch although I think he's leaning scum for me right now because I'm not sure about my judgement of bc yet. I'd say he's got a 30-50% of flipping red instead of true 10 out of 50. Yes you did say a little about it but all you have now is a feeling. Why did it go from people he trusted to just a feeling? Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 09:36 Toadesstern wrote:On January 16 2012 09:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 16 2012 09:05 Toadesstern wrote:On January 16 2012 08:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't agree that Protact has been giving town direction at all. Notice how absent they have been for the vast majority of the last 24 hours?
well yeah but he I consider him being right with some points about BC. I think the talk about masons was not good for town. We could have discussed something else as well, we had enough stuff (like who's acting scummy) and who we want to lynch. BC kind of produced a mass claim. I still don't know if it's that bad but it certainly was not was he intended, at least not without discussing it but discussing it took way too much time when we needed to get a defined picture of our mayors. So yes, protac posted very little, I am scared of him as well and I'd love him to be in no office at all. Still what he posted gave me town vibes. What are your thoughts about sandroba, bum, bc and protac? I think I answered them good enough from my point of view. [...] Bum, I'm unsure of so far (haven't read through his posts thoroughly tbh). From the initial read I was getting, townish. However, I don't think I've given him as much attention as I should have. I will reread the thread again a couple more times with the flip in mind. [...] The thing about the Palmar flip is that it makes people like zeks, opz, and several others look bad. Lanaia looks bad as well; she has not commented on anything concrete and so far has had no scum reads. It looks rather similar to her play from XLVII. At any rate, I still want thoughts from people on Protac and opz. Sandro/zeks/Lanaia thoughts would be nice too. Yeah I had a town read on bum early on too. The scary thing about protac for me btw (because I did not explain why I called it scary) is that he looks townish to me but I can't realy put it down with words. I'm not trusting myself there at all because I don't even know why I got that townread, it just feels townish because I really liked the big post he did. Sure that' something but that' should not be enough to give me a townread when he's lurking so hardcorde. Why does palmars flip make people like zeks or opz look bad? I'm going to be honest here: They're both a big blank note for me. Go back to bum. Is he MAFIA or not? Can you explain more besides this "I got this bad feeling because so and so are together". I'd like to believe you but there is uncertainty for now. Is there also a possibility that one of them could be town led astray? Still reading a day or two worth of text =\
I reached similar conclusions based on that post as well.
blahz0r
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Crap, pressed Enter accidentally.
blahz0r, you are attempting to justify your choice for tomorrow's lynch.
Since, you as mafia, NEED AN EXCUSE to vote, you just dug around looking for someone, anyone, to cast suspicion on. You're also not doing it very convincingly.
mafia: blahz0r
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On January 16 2012 12:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What is interesting however is that you have not voiced a single thought on what I actually did in regards to making sure bgs are outed should both myself and bm die.
Wrong.
On January 16 2012 11:59 kingjames01 wrote:
I have never suggested or supported the lynching of your Bodyguards. As long there are precautions taken to give us the names of the Bodyguards in the event of your or BM's early demise, I am fine with it. However, since I respect your abilities to succeed as scum, I don't trust your intentions. I don't trust your actions. I don't trust your plans.
Town, Here are some major assumptions to question:
If BC is Town-aligned, then why hasn't he been working on BM?
Does he think the mafia DID NOT GET A SINGLE CANDIDATE ELECTED?
BC:
Do you think that the mafia entered into the election race?
Do you think that they succeeded?
What do you think about BM's alignment?
Be accountable. You asked for the spotlight. Convince me that you are pro-Town because the result of your actions show otherwise.
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On January 16 2012 12:25 Protactinium wrote:
HEY GUESS WHO FLIPPED MAFIA
Sandroba is obviously innocent now.
##Vote Macpo
Protactinium, you voted for a Double Lynch. Do you have a read on a second player?
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On January 17 2012 06:39 Nisani201 wrote:
Why would a scum use bullshit to support a townie campaign?
On January 17 2012 06:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why would scum support a townie campaign? Hmmmmmmm?
What are you guys talking about? I don't understand if you are being sarcastic or not.
However, MAFIA NEED EXCUSES TO VOTE.
It doesn't matter if they vote for or against Town. They will always need an excuse because they KNOW who isn't mafia.
It is very common for mafia to pretend to support Town-aligned players.
It was a very good tell that Ciryandor was looking for a reason to cast his vote. At the time he claimed that Mr. Wiggles (who he knew to be Town) had the best campaign. He stated no other explanation. There was no comparison between the various platforms. It was simply an excuse to cast his vote.
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Bill Murray:
You incarcerated Lanaia during Night 1. Why did you choose her? Also, why do you think you saved her from death? She received no such notification.
Do you believe that the mafia joined the election Day 1 and do you think that they succeeded to take at least one of the roles?
Have you taken also precautions so that in the event of BC and/or your early demise, the Bodyguards will be revealed to the thread?
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On January 17 2012 10:07 Bill Murray wrote:
BC is mafia
I am voting BC
I have been masoned by 2 people, NONE OF THEM ARE OPZ OR BC
Wait, what's your proof that BC is mafia? I have strong suspicions but do you have anything more than this:
On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote:
i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack?
On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote:
WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP
Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed
WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA?
Also, mafia needed to have lost the use of 3 members to reduce their KP last night. Does the death of Ciryandor affect their KP? I'm under the impression that it did not.
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On January 17 2012 10:11 Bill Murray wrote:
has Sandroba claimed mason?
sandroba has not claimed Mason. BC chose sandroba as his target Day 1.
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On January 17 2012 10:15 Toadesstern wrote:
no sandroba has not claimed mason. mattchew was one, BC claimed mason, opz claimed mason and jitsu according to my notes but I don't have a link to that one so I'm not sure if jitsu is right but I there's no reason to doubt that for me :p
That is correct. Jitsu claimed here:
Jitsu's Mason claim
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On January 17 2012 11:42 Bill Murray wrote:
2 people who are masons are mafia together
the sandroba lynch gives us a lot of information
What do you mean by this? Are you saying there are 2 mafia Masons? I don't understand.
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On January 17 2012 12:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Anyone discussing currently to lynch protrac or sandroba, quit it. At the moment the two of them have done far more pro town behaviour this game than most of you. The case of roba is retarded beyond belief and in my head is being tunneled by people massively attempting to bury all content posted on both macpo and ggq. This could also refer to king james as he was called out early into the day.
What does the bolded part mean? When was I called out? Are you saying that you've finally decided that I'm Town?
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On January 17 2012 12:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
BILL MURRAY TELL ME THE NUMBER OF MAFIA THAT ARE MASONS PLEASE!!!
Stop spamming the thread.
Town: At the moment, we're going around in circles arguing who to lynch, with "my choice is better than your choice" and "why aren't you listening to me?"
We need to begin consolidating our lynch candidates so that we can remain focussed for the next day.
I am going to list some of the players that I have deemed to be somewhat suspicious. However, in the interest of not fracturing the Town, I will wait to push their lynch. Nevertheless, their names will remain recorded here. This information may turn out to be useful if everything works out.
4. Slardar
15. L
22. rgTheSchworz
27. BloodyC0bbler
30. blahz0r
39. hiro protagonist
49. Scamp
Also, BC, your voice and votes are important because they carry more weight. What is your plan for the next day? Who do you wish to lynch?
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If no more information is revealed in the game, then this is what we know about the Night 1 actions.
Bill Murray incarcerated Lanaia.
mafia attempted to kill: Kurumi, Mr. Wiggles, GiygaS, kitaman27. They succeeded on the first 3 players.
kitaman27 survived the hit.
Kurumim shot Ciryandor.
Here are several posts showing that Kurumi believed Ciryandor to be mafia.
On January 14 2012 01:28 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:18 Palmar wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
/confirm
LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor. Is the Ciryandor quote the classic "scumslip" or am I mistaken, since "waiting for Wiggles" then "Wiggles has the best campaign?" besides, <generic things> <vote for me> is not good enough to earn a vote.
On January 14 2012 01:43 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:35 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 01:35 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 01:29 Jackal58 wrote:On January 14 2012 00:53 kingjames01 wrote:On January 14 2012 00:38 kitaman27 wrote:
KJ's bodyguards should claim plan is incredibly poor. So is Jackal's. Even if the scum team did subsititute all three bodyguards, they still have to worry about a electoral official being a vet, which would cost them 3 scum or that one of the bodyguards wasn't jailed, which would also cost them 3 scum. First, there are only 2 Bodyguards. Second, I agree with you about Jackal's comment about lynching a Bodyguard. Third, you're actually agreeing with me in essence. I'm saying that if they sneak in a Bodyguard, it will be risky to take out the elected officials. However, to make it harder for them, they should be revealed from the beginning. What if both elected officials are killed and we have 0 clue as to who the Bodyguards were? Are you okay with that risk? Finally, are you stating for the record that if you were elected, you would not reveal your Bodyguards? And what is wrong with the threat of a lynch on a BG? If you don't think scum aren't going to try to sub in at least 1 of them as a BG you're being quite unrealistic. Just leave the threat of it out there. We should not make Bodyguards claim. Good to know that someone actually reads my posts Palmar, if You were given ability to kill someone right now, who would it be? Ciryandor, for speculating about if sandroba or I were going for the mayor position. You're consistent, good. Given that that's a huge game and we've got no special means of removing lurkers, do You find it logical to have a decent amount of KP on town's side? Do You think that Ciry will try to feign inactivity today?
On January 14 2012 20:21 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:18 Palmar wrote:
Day 1 has two goals, getting someone I want in office, and killing someone I want to kill. Incog and Ciryandor fit the bill, my work is done here. Wait, You want Incog elected and Ciry killed or both of them killed?
and of course,
On January 15 2012 03:28 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:12 Ciryandor wrote:
Whew, finally caught up after 25+ pages. Seriously. I just got home from being away all day today and had a long day at work yesterday, and people think I'm a good lynch candidate, especially for like half the mayor candidates? That's just fine and dandy, but there are other players who fit the same criterion.
Some reads on players of interest:
I honestly think GGQ has just as bad a posting history as mine, and that he has escaped scrutiny by creating an FoS on me just because I was asking why I should be believing the early candidates like Cyber_Cheese instead of Mr. Wiggles during that time.
I also can't blame Protactinium for thinking I'm bad as well with my responses, but I wouldn't vote for him just because he thinks BC is scum, and he hasn't buttressed that argument since. As far as I've read, I think BC has townie interests at heart and is in the usual situation with leading mayor candidates, having a hard time justifying what he would do with the position beyond the Day 1 lynch power, but a point against him as well is that he has not delivered his mason partner, which he had decided to reveal in one of his posts.
Also, risk.nuke being suddenly defensive after some criticism of him making a half hearted push for mayor is IMO very newbie townie play, or a scum being baited to attract others' attention to him. This should be noted as I think risk is noob town who does not know how to defend his positions properly.
Just a question, where is Kurumi? At least sandroba has posted even if he thinks I'm scummy for asking if he's running, and Palmar has said he doesn't really care now about the vote; which is uncharacteristically sour of him. I read Palmar as trolling town more than scum because of that, as he would have probably given a token "I support someone because they're worth trusting" post (as that could influence newbies/lurkers) who see people commenting at him being a veteran voting that way at the very least if he were scum.
Finally, I have to note that Bill's post that it is likely we have a scum candidate among the front-runners leads me to think we should actually do a vote-swing to a random strong candidate, and that the votes for that person should come from people who have already voted, as IMO it is more likely for scum to have delayed voting to have more influence over the result in a close race and not waste votes in a throw-away push for their candidate if a runaway win were to happen. Right now I'm torn between Proact and Sandroba in voting, because at least they're concrete in promising ONE NAME to lynch instead of being wishy-washy in getting a list of targets up, and that I think they have plans for town after Day 1 that don't need to be publicized yet. scum
From Occam's Razor I had already assumed that Kurumi was the vigilante responsible for Ciryandor's death. I recall encountering some doubt after the Day 2 Post. Also, I don't want the idle speculation about whether the mafia used one of their KPs on Ciryandor.
Finally, kitaman27: I read through your filter again but don't see an updated suspect list. Since I believe that you were targetted for death last night, I am very interested to hear who you would like to lynch Day 2.
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I have a long day tomorrow and it starts really early so this is going to be my last post for the night.
Town: kitaman27 was shot Night 1 which accounts for the last mafia KP. We can trust what he says without worrying if he's lying to us. He may be wrong, but he's pro-Town.
On January 17 2012 14:37 kitaman27 wrote:I find it interesting that masons are more interested in getting reads off the Sheriff than to have a chat with the guy that just got shot. Everyone is talking about how dangerous masons can be because of the possibility that one of the two players could be scum, yet nobody wants to take advantage of having a conversation without that possibility? I'm hurt BM, there has been quite a drop off in your play from day one to day two. Do you honestly believe it is easier to identify a scum that will be shooting than it is to identify a town that will be shot? No more nonsense with your sheriff role please. I feel it was a poor decision to share the bodyguard identities, that will only lead to problems down the road. Your focus on masons concerns me and I'm having difficulty following you at times. bugs, your current vote explanation is extremely weak. What happened to the Scamp case? Yet that's what your actions say. Do you care who gets lynched or are you just along for the ride? There are people in this game that have been so irrelevant, they're not even worthy of being brought up as lurkers. Cwave, BrownBear (?!), Munk-E, Slardar, rtgICEMAN, Maxella, igabod (or whoever his replacement was). You guys are harming the game by not playing. If you don't contribute, we're eventually going to get to a point where all the active players have been killed off and the only way to distinguish players is whether they made two posts or three. If your name is listed and you are town, please don't disappoint. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are my thoughts about my lynch preference for today, L. He never mentions a serious lynch candidate on day one. That is not one of his priorities. His entire focus is on the election and discussing other trivial matters. His approach to the election is not to comment on the election candidates or share his opinion on them as individuals, but to discredit them in a broad sense. He explains numerous times how there is probably a scum within the frontrunners, but never indicates which one. He apparently has no opinion on BC's mason fiasco, nor ever mentions the campaigns of prot or BM. In addition, you go out of your way to discredit Foolishness on numerous occasions. Instead of selecting one of the frontrunners, he supports VE with the following statement: Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:23 L wrote:
I'll vote for you if you figure out a snazzy plan to confirm that you aren't bullshitting about your role. Obviously role has nothing to do with alignment. You even reference this fact later on in one of your posts. The goal of the Jack is not to confirm his role. Any means of attempting to confirm his role only takes away from his ability to use his role in a pro-town fashion. Now on to your first actual scum suspect: Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:32 L wrote:
2) Short end of the stick is that Kurumi crumbed shooting Kenpachi yesterday and he's still alive. I wanted to wait to see if he'd claim being hit, but he hasn't. Veterans/Medic protected individuals on the town side would have claimed this asap. Kenpachi wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Given all of that, the only way I can explain him being alive after Kurumi's flip is that Kurumi's pretty overt crumb was a lie (odd, given that kurumi WAS a vig), or that Kenpachi is the mafia jack, or was saved by the mafia jack.
So uh, Kenpachi's my lynch vote for the day. Essentially your entire argument comes down to Kurumi hinted that he might shoot Kenpachi. I find it incredibly odd that you have decided that it is more likely that Kenpachi was saved by the mafia jack, than it is for kurumi to have not shot last night. From my perspective, if the mafia team was truly worried about kurumi shooting kenpachi, they don't waste a JACK ability, they bury the roleblock with the kurumi hit. Essentially your explanation is that mafia decided to give up a kp (Jack role use) in exchange for being able to roleblock you. That's not something I buy. ##Vote L
kitaman27: Kurumi shot Ciryandor.
On January 17 2012 13:45 kingjames01 wrote:If no more information is revealed in the game, then this is what we know about the Night 1 actions. Bill Murray incarcerated Lanaia. mafia attempted to kill: Kurumi, Mr. Wiggles, GiygaS, kitaman27. They succeeded on the first 3 players. kitaman27 survived the hit. Kurumim shot Ciryandor. Here are several posts showing that Kurumi believed Ciryandor to be mafia. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:28 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 01:18 Palmar wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
/confirm
LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor. Is the Ciryandor quote the classic "scumslip" or am I mistaken, since "waiting for Wiggles" then "Wiggles has the best campaign?" besides, <generic things> <vote for me> is not good enough to earn a vote. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:43 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 01:35 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 01:35 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 01:29 Jackal58 wrote:On January 14 2012 00:53 kingjames01 wrote:On January 14 2012 00:38 kitaman27 wrote:
KJ's bodyguards should claim plan is incredibly poor. So is Jackal's. Even if the scum team did subsititute all three bodyguards, they still have to worry about a electoral official being a vet, which would cost them 3 scum or that one of the bodyguards wasn't jailed, which would also cost them 3 scum. First, there are only 2 Bodyguards. Second, I agree with you about Jackal's comment about lynching a Bodyguard. Third, you're actually agreeing with me in essence. I'm saying that if they sneak in a Bodyguard, it will be risky to take out the elected officials. However, to make it harder for them, they should be revealed from the beginning. What if both elected officials are killed and we have 0 clue as to who the Bodyguards were? Are you okay with that risk? Finally, are you stating for the record that if you were elected, you would not reveal your Bodyguards? And what is wrong with the threat of a lynch on a BG? If you don't think scum aren't going to try to sub in at least 1 of them as a BG you're being quite unrealistic. Just leave the threat of it out there. We should not make Bodyguards claim. Good to know that someone actually reads my posts Palmar, if You were given ability to kill someone right now, who would it be? Ciryandor, for speculating about if sandroba or I were going for the mayor position. You're consistent, good. Given that that's a huge game and we've got no special means of removing lurkers, do You find it logical to have a decent amount of KP on town's side? Do You think that Ciry will try to feign inactivity today? Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:21 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 20:18 Palmar wrote:
Day 1 has two goals, getting someone I want in office, and killing someone I want to kill. Incog and Ciryandor fit the bill, my work is done here. Wait, You want Incog elected and Ciry killed or both of them killed? and of course, Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:28 Kurumi wrote:On January 15 2012 03:12 Ciryandor wrote:
Whew, finally caught up after 25+ pages. Seriously. I just got home from being away all day today and had a long day at work yesterday, and people think I'm a good lynch candidate, especially for like half the mayor candidates? That's just fine and dandy, but there are other players who fit the same criterion.
Some reads on players of interest:
I honestly think GGQ has just as bad a posting history as mine, and that he has escaped scrutiny by creating an FoS on me just because I was asking why I should be believing the early candidates like Cyber_Cheese instead of Mr. Wiggles during that time.
I also can't blame Protactinium for thinking I'm bad as well with my responses, but I wouldn't vote for him just because he thinks BC is scum, and he hasn't buttressed that argument since. As far as I've read, I think BC has townie interests at heart and is in the usual situation with leading mayor candidates, having a hard time justifying what he would do with the position beyond the Day 1 lynch power, but a point against him as well is that he has not delivered his mason partner, which he had decided to reveal in one of his posts.
Also, risk.nuke being suddenly defensive after some criticism of him making a half hearted push for mayor is IMO very newbie townie play, or a scum being baited to attract others' attention to him. This should be noted as I think risk is noob town who does not know how to defend his positions properly.
Just a question, where is Kurumi? At least sandroba has posted even if he thinks I'm scummy for asking if he's running, and Palmar has said he doesn't really care now about the vote; which is uncharacteristically sour of him. I read Palmar as trolling town more than scum because of that, as he would have probably given a token "I support someone because they're worth trusting" post (as that could influence newbies/lurkers) who see people commenting at him being a veteran voting that way at the very least if he were scum.
Finally, I have to note that Bill's post that it is likely we have a scum candidate among the front-runners leads me to think we should actually do a vote-swing to a random strong candidate, and that the votes for that person should come from people who have already voted, as IMO it is more likely for scum to have delayed voting to have more influence over the result in a close race and not waste votes in a throw-away push for their candidate if a runaway win were to happen. Right now I'm torn between Proact and Sandroba in voting, because at least they're concrete in promising ONE NAME to lynch instead of being wishy-washy in getting a list of targets up, and that I think they have plans for town after Day 1 that don't need to be publicized yet. scum From Occam's Razor I had already assumed that Kurumi was the vigilante responsible for Ciryandor's death. I recall encountering some doubt after the Day 2 Post. Also, I don't want the idle speculation about whether the mafia used one of their KPs on Ciryandor. Finally, kitaman27: I read through your filter again but don't see an updated suspect list. Since I believe that you were targetted for death last night, I am very interested to hear who you would like to lynch Day 2.
I also believe L to be mafia and I'm glad that you agree.
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On January 17 2012 22:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok I'm awake / re.
As mentioned, sandroba has not enough supporters so I'm switching votes. I still don't see how sandroba is NOT fitting foolish's analysis as well but I won't get you on sandroba at this point so I'd might just help you lynch macpo and lynch you all afterwards if this turns out to be wrong.
Alright, have to run to TA but this post alone makes me think that you're mafia.
FOS: Toadesstern
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I'm just dropping in to check on the game.
I had such a long day and I'm too tired to sit here and read through the posts I missed. I'm actually surprised that the day ended so early. I'll be up in the morning and I'll catch up then. Good job on the Macpo lynch guys!
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For those of you who are considering lynching me, you should actually do a little bit of research on your own.
Consider what I've posted and what my intentions were.
When the Town was pushing for Macpo, I voted for L. If I really was mafia, why would I not just hide myself and join the bandwagon?
Voting for someone DIFFERENT put me out there. Furthermore, I voted for a mafia! So was I attempting to bus L so that I could earn Town cred? He wasn't even close to being lynched. I vote for who I think is mafia. That's just the way I play.
When the Town was going in circles, I cut to the heart of the situation and summarized why I thought we had a chaotic day.
I believed then and I still believe now that mafia must have attempted to win an elected position.
I put pressure on BloodyC0bbler because I perceived him to be, at least partially, responsible for the confusion from Day 1.
I continued to question BC and BM's about the DIFFERENCES between their STATED goals and their ACTUAL effects on the game.
Just because more well-known players say that I am suspicious doesn't mean that I am. Think for yourselves! Look at what I've done.
Players attempt to draw me out into an argument. Why am I not using that opportunity to muddle up the thread? Look back on my previous games. If I want to, I can dominate pages of this game just arguing.
THAT IS NOT PRO-TOWN.
I am not acting against the Town. I have not been killed because the mafia want to set me up for a mis-lynch.
I am pro-Town. Don't let anyone tell you different.
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Since I know that I am Town, I was under the assumption that the case built against me was made by the mafia.
There are a few vocal voices pushing this agenda: Protactinium, BloodyC0bbler and Foolishness being the Big 3.
I wanted to find proof that Foolishness is mafia but reading through his filter coupled with the timing of each post has turned up nothing. The content of his posts, as well as, the intent and the results garnered by his posts seem innocent enough.
He had many opportunities to sow confusion and disrupt the game, but he never joined in with, propagated nor instigated chaos in the Town.
He might be too clean to be Town, but if that's his gameplan, then he's pro-Town for now.
Alright, I'm moving on to Protactinium.
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I've gone through the entire Protactinium posting history for this game and these guys absolutely shine. They establish their innocence quickly and decisively. If this was their mafia ploy then I have been taken in completely.
It isn't that they are picking the right players to target, it's that they go right to the crux of the post itself. They are scumhunting based on intent which is the right way to play.
The only thing that I can conclude is that Protactinium is pro-Town.
HOWEVER, when reading through their posts, I am VERY surprised that they missed p4NDemik. They quoted the exact post that made me look at his filter. I am repeating it here:
p4NDemik reveals his true nature
On January 17 2012 06:02 p4NDemik wrote:
Nisani your argument is actually pretty compelling. I'm also extremely suspicious of Protactinium now. Especially considering that Ciryandor actually was "torn" about voting for him after he came on so hard for his own lynch. Prot came on hard with a long accusation, to which Ciryandor posted no reply for 2 days. I don't understand why Prot wouldn't find it suspicious at all that someone who he so adamantly accused a day ago was now considering his corner without even speaking to his accusation. I feel like one thing that very consistently annoys town (especially someone who is trying to be high-profile and win an election) is when their questions go unanswered, and we have a clear cut case of it here. Even if your focus changes to another person who you think is more likely mafia you still don't let someone completely off the hook like that.
Nisani's argument was not compelling. This was just an attempt to establish a base-line for future votes. In fact, after this brief period of doubt, p4NDemik never EVER again engages Protactinium.
Let's all take a look through his filter together:
A statement that says he has no real position on anything.
On January 14 2012 10:43 p4NDemik wrote:
OK so I just finished reading everything from the start of the game yesterday to this point in time. I hate getting behind like this as last game I played I was a sub and was even farther in the dark. Nevertheless moving forward!
So, I'm going to side-step all this mason talk a bit because I have never played a mafia game with this role. I don't know whether it is stronger in the hands of town or in the hands of mafia etc. The only thing I'll say about it is that mass-claim sounds like a really bad idea to me. Whatever power (that I have yet to see in action) we take out of the mafia's hands we give them more in that they have an even better picture about town structure and where other blue roles may lie.
I'd like to discuss who I'm going to support for mayor but honestly all of this mason talk has completely sidetracked my thought process while reading and now I'm gonna have to go back and go through filters. Before BC came out as mayor I have to admit I was leaning towards his corner but now I'm going to reassess everyone's candidacies before I cast my ballot.
Provides an excuse to cast a vote with no real substance.
On January 15 2012 10:14 p4NDemik wrote:
It's taking me like 2-3 hours a day to catch up on what I've missed while I slept and was out during the day. -_-
Anyways its due time to be voting for mayor and I'm going to throw in my vote for Protactinium. For reasons very similar to Sheth's I'm happy to vote for someone who isn't distracting town with this discussion about masons, isn't idiotically outing himself, or had his initial candidacy proposed by someone other than himself. He seems focused on getting mafia and that's what I want in a mayor.
The obligatory "I KNEW Palmar was Town!" post. Also a 'promise' to scum-hunt which we will see has no truth to it.
On January 15 2012 16:36 p4NDemik wrote:
Quite funny as miller he was acting exactly like his apparent scum meta (or so said WBG and crew).
Every time you guys went to meta it just further cemented in my mind he wasn't. If he was mafia surely he would change something up, whereas he was so unabashedly arrogant about his style it seemed clear it was either a) an intentional play to get a rise out of fellow vets and gauge their reaction, or b) he really just didn't want to deal with this nearly 60 page clusterfuck that was day 1.
Tomorrow I'll have to look through all the cases built against Palmar to see if there is actually anything to glean from this but I really doubt there is much. At the least though it should help get some reads on his accusers.
The "Don't look at me! I don't know really know what I'm doing" post.
On January 16 2012 07:36 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:30 kitaman27 wrote:
p4NDemik's motives seem questionable. I'm curious why he made your town list BM. His entire focus on day one is selecting a mayoral candidate and doesn't mention who he is suspicious of or would like to get lynched. Since someone pointed out earlier that my filter wasn't working correctly I'll provide it here. Hopefully that works, otherwise I'm not sure why it wouldn't be functioning properly. I'm not sure how I'm really confirmed town in anyone's eyes either as I've been more or less fairly inactive compared to many of the veterans that post in here. You're right in that pretty much my only focus was the election and I explained my reasoning for that: I've never played in a game with masons, I don't have personal experience to draw upon in the argument as to whether it is a role used better in the hands of town or mafia, and due to this I found the whole debate about them to be quite detrimental to what should have been the main goal in my mind. There was also a large fuss made about this Palmar lynch which however WBG want's to portray it was, in my eyes, 100% based on a meta that I had no knowledge of and therefore didn't care to speak to, either for or against. I don't see how my focus on the mayoral election is really a bad thing. I wish we had more of it and less extraneous mason talk now.
Next we'll see that he has a very long string of posts where all he does is question other players with no real intent to find scum. These ones are especially funny.
On January 16 2012 15:27 p4NDemik wrote:
evantrees what the hell just happened a few posts ago you are saying how its too early for a double lynch now you're voting for it all of the sudden.
On January 17 2012 06:10 p4NDemik wrote:
Protactinium can you speak to why you didn't follow up at all on your original plan to lynch Ciryandor? No follow-up questions after he became active like a day and a half after you accused him? Going back your campaign looks like 100% presentation with little actual pro-town behavior going on in between them. I'm a bit ashamed now that I actually got caught up in those big flashy posts and didn't question you actions (or lack there of) in between.
On January 17 2012 08:22 p4NDemik wrote:
Toad can you please be less ambiguous are you talking about Proact or Sandro?
On January 17 2012 08:41 p4NDemik wrote:
WBG why are you all of the sudden posting in 3rd person? That's like the most suspicious thing I've ever seen lol. Now I need to read your entire filter.
On January 17 2012 09:02 p4NDemik wrote:
Repeat. wherebugsgo: Why are you all of the sudden posting in 3rd person?
On January 17 2012 09:06 p4NDemik wrote:
People speaking in 3rd person is odd in all walks of life man.
You haven't done anything similar to this all game so I find it very strange.
On January 17 2012 09:10 p4NDemik wrote:
And you referred to yourself in the 3rd person, even if you weren't narrating the entire post that was it is a marked diversion from how you were previously posting and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit I say!
On January 17 2012 09:20 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:18 Kenpachi wrote:On January 17 2012 09:10 p4NDemik wrote:
And you referred to yourself in the 3rd person, even if you weren't narrating the entire post that was it is a marked diversion from how you were previously posting and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit I say! what the fuck. are you joking or something No. I'm most definitely getting carried away with this but I'm not joking.
This one even comes with an appeal to sympathy. "Stop picking on me! I don't get it!"
On January 17 2012 09:34 p4NDemik wrote:
Kenpachi can you stop trying to make me feel like I'm an idiot and explain to me why I am an idiot. Actually explain anything please because you seem to have done nothing in the grand scheme of things.
The remainder of his posts can be summarized as follows:
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That's right, a real load of nothing. No real comment on the state of the game or its atmosphere. Some superfluous scum-hunting. More justification to cast his vote.
Conclusion:
p4NDemik is mafia.
PS. Protactinium I did a quick check. I didn't play in TL Mafia XXXVIII. That doesn't invalidate your argument, I assume that you made a mistake on the number of the game.
On January 17 2012 06:19 Protactinium wrote:kingjames In this game, kingjames proposes that bodyguards be made public, posts a consideration that BC may be the mafia jack, and then disappears. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 09:14 kingjames01 wrote:
Also, consider for the moment, that BC may be mafia Jack.
If he uses his Mason power on Day 1 to establish his credibility and then is subsequently elected to office, we will not be able to find the mafia Jack.
It is a risk, but I know that BC will take that risk. He is very much a medium-risk, high-reward player.
EVERYONE! WHAT HAPPENS IF BLOODYC0BBLER IS MAFIA JACK?
I consider this scenario involving BC to be within his bag of tricks, and I will not vote to elect him into office.
A fear mongering post that asks what happens if BC is red, with no opinion or followup. Another case of apathy. Contrast this with TL Mafia XXXVIII where instantly gives strong opinions on some of the proposed policy plans (random lynching, zodiac lists), immediately jumps into trying to find mafia, posts some detailed analyses, and does a lot of poking and prodding. In this game, kingjames does not attempt to find mafia. He instead discusses outing bodyguards, and casts doubt on BC without providing any opinion. The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned.
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