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On January 21 2012 21:02 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 20:59 supersoft wrote:On January 21 2012 20:48 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 21 2012 20:41 supersoft wrote:On January 21 2012 20:00 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 21 2012 19:43 supersoft wrote:On January 21 2012 19:29 hiro protagonist wrote:
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What the fuck happened to this thread? People need to chill out cuz we got tons of info to find scum.
I just got home, and Im going to bed. Ill give my thoughts on my reads in the morning. and yes I got a check for someone on day 2. I wont reveal who till just before the day post for obvious reasons...
medics on this guy btw. I hate post like that. Directing medics is a fucking aweful Idea. This doesn't encourage a medic to protect him, it actually makes him WIFOM if he really should protect him, because mafia is reading this very post. STOP DIRECTING BLUES. Trust them, they've been pretty great so far and know what they're doing. Especially N1: N1 red DT check, N1 medic save. Also 2 great vig shots. wrong. blues are dumb. dont trust them, direct them. don't say something with your own words, if someone else already phrased it with better words. from the general guide to mafia: As a general rule, normal townies should not attempt to direct blue roles or try to find out who is blue and who is not. Town power roles work better if the mafia are uncertain of what the blue roles will do. It is not uncommon for the mafia to have anti-blue roles such as roleblockers, medics, framers, etc. Therefore, if the mafia has a general idea that the medic will protect X, or the DT will check Y, they are free to mess with those actions if they feel it to be necessary. Do not make medic lists, DT lists, or vig lists, as they are generally unhelpful or even detrimental to the town . As long as you are doing a good job of posting constructively and sharing your suspicions, good blue roles who are reading the thread should have the information to know what to do. Don’t direct their actions just because you suspect they are incompetent. the general guide didnt fall from heaven, engraved in stone. This is a opinion of some guy and I have my own. In this individual case, it's fairly obvious that the almost confirmed DT needs some protection. and it will be obvious to the medics as well. but you kind of destroy the shadow of doubt for scum. I don't agree with your call here, sorry.
" but you kind of destroy the shadow of doubt for scum. "
this sentence doesnt make any sense. How does the scumteam know whether the medics really listen to me?
Trust me. They put enough effort in the process of finding their target. Their heads explode when they think about whether to shot hiro or not. They have to get rid of him or he'll continue to confirm townies and kill scum :D
We don't even need shadow of doubt. What we need, is a save DT.
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No, they'll RB him continously, if they haven't got any other obvious target. Why risk protection?
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On January 21 2012 21:19 rgTheSchworz wrote:
No, they'll RB him continously, if they haven't got any other obvious target. Why risk protection?
I don't even....
@supersoft: I just think that without directing blues, the scum target choice will be even harder. whatever.
where we agree is that a DT is pretty good, so we should keep him 
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@Bill: You seem to be implying that you only have one night action. I don't think this is correct. Also your mayor run makes even less sense from a town perspective if that's what you believed.
If Bill is a Mad Hatter, he could remove a bomb, plant a bomb and jail someone in one night, correct?
Regardless, your absolute priority as a townie should be to remove the bomb from Protactinium, so if you claim to have done otherwise, I'll assume it's just a scum survival gambit and vote you tomorrow.
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BM hasnt been insulting people, so i found it hard to believe hes town.
Plus, Meapak and bum are also mafia
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On January 21 2012 21:30 jaj22 wrote:
@Bill: You seem to be implying that you only have one night action. I don't think this is correct. Also your mayor run makes even less sense from a town perspective if that's what you believed.
Plus (if he sticks to that story)
a) if he was so sure lanaia or protact or whatever is scum, you'd absolutely use your bomb ability instead of your (a lot weaker) jail ability.
b) He was all over BC d2, why place the bomb on protact, who already called 2 scums at that time.
His plays make no sense, even if he's town, he's not helpfull whatsoever. There's nothing to make me believe he's town. If he's town, he did nothing to prove it and played terribad.
I'll be voting him
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On January 21 2012 19:56 Jayjay54 wrote:
Do you REALLY think they have the commitment to fake lake 8 pages of skyping? This looks genuine to me. It is a fuck ton of work to fake something that well. I am not even capable of faking a conversation that well.
I don't think it's a fake conversation, but that doesn't mean that BC isn't scum. The way to do this is to build up your PM log during the day in realtime as if you really were masoning. Check it for anything too incriminating before posting it, and you're done.
On January 21 2012 19:56 Jayjay54 wrote:
We actually might consider L being the scum candidate. He ended up being godfather, so apparently scum wanted to give him DT immunitiy. If L was the red candidate and just couldn't get the leverage behind his campaing...
Yeah, I think there's a possibility that mafia completely screwed up and failed to get any candidates into a good enough position to use their voting leverage without exposing themselves. L & Sandro's no-votes and a lot of suspicious players avoiding the top 3 supports that.
Overall I can see valid arguments for 0, 1 and 2 scum in the elected positions, so we'll just have to judge them individually on merit.
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10 pg in the 8 h i've slept.
Coming back to BM:
On January 21 2012 12:50 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm not taking a bomb off
I'm either putting another bomb out, or jailing to try to protect someone like a medic like if someone like Foolishness was just a townie, I could jailkeep them for 2 nights to guarantee they get to late game. That is more valuable. I am 50% protactinium is scum based on the election - it's either him or BC. I'm not moving that bomb, unless we're lynching BC.
So, you believed his hatter claim, and now this?
1.Foolishness has not been that useful to town this game.Protact has.
Same old,same old with scum running for mayor.What if you, my friend were that one scum?
Also, general vagueness in his post, which is not something you want at this stage as town.
Why da fuck move that bomb if BC was lynched? Best choice seems to move the bomb on BC seeing that you believe someone up top is scum.
IMO, this is a pretty late, weak attempt at bussing, knowing that BC's case can't go till the end.Also he tries to make BC look town, which is pretty much undecided
From what I could glean from the thread, mafia seemed not to care about killing the mayor or the sheriff.Well that may well be the sign that they have, most likely, the top 2 spots in town ATM.
Sandro's flip tells me that they had to lynch scum D3:
It was BM or an inactive,drunk sandro. Obvious choice here.
But, hey , mafia are mafia, and BC and Foolish moved their votes onto Sandro 3 or so h before deadline, simulating fear that Protact may die. This was an elaborate move orchestrated by scum, and Bm's wagon never got there. Dirty,scummy votes will be found on sandro's wagon, as they wanted to avoid lynching both BM and Sandro, so they got onto sandro because it makes them look pro-town.
I ain't buying it.BM has fucked up big time, we gotta vote him out tomorrow.
Vote Double lynch tomorrow.They'll have 5 members after BM's dead, if we nail 1 on D5/N4 either through vigis or DL, we have crippled them enough to make things easier.
I am expecting hiro to claim jailed, regardless of whether it is the truth or not. This actually helps town nail BM, is a relatively undetectable lie, as if he isn't Jailed/RB he can give his reads with 1 day delay. So unless hiro is SCUM,
prepare for a jailed claim.
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Ps: Tell me how to write in red font PLS
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On January 21 2012 21:55 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I am expecting hiro to claim jailed, regardless of whether it is the truth or not. This actually helps town nail BM, is a relatively undetectable lie, as if he isn't Jailed/RB he can give his reads with 1 day delay. So unless hiro is SCUM,
prepare for a jailed claim.
No. Hiro would have to be madder than BM to pull something like that in this situation, regardless of whether he's town or scum. This post together with the one where you assume there's a roleblocker have made me somewhat suspicious of you.
How to post in colours is described in the Smilies & BBCode page.
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I don't ,,assume'' there is a RB. I say there's a strong probability for it to be one.
Please explain why hiro wouldn't lie in this situation.
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Because:
1. Most of town wants to lynch BM anyway.
2. Hiro would have to think that his own read of BM was much better than average.
3. Someone else might claim jailed.
4. The downside is monstrous compared to the upside. Want to waste a day lynching a DT?
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CC there have been no inconsistencies. I wouldn't have used 2 jailkeeps in the first 2 nights anyways, because I only get 3 all game. I didnt want to have to claim hatter at all.
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On January 21 2012 21:28 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:19 rgTheSchworz wrote:
No, they'll RB him continously, if they haven't got any other obvious target. Why risk protection? I don't even.... @supersoft: I just think that without directing blues, the scum target choice will be even harder. whatever. where we agree is that a DT is pretty good, so we should keep him
On January 21 2012 21:19 rgTheSchworz wrote:
No, they'll RB him continously, if they haven't got any other obvious target. Why risk protection?
On January 21 2012 20:41 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 20:00 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 21 2012 19:43 supersoft wrote:On January 21 2012 19:29 hiro protagonist wrote:
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What the fuck happened to this thread? People need to chill out cuz we got tons of info to find scum.
I just got home, and Im going to bed. Ill give my thoughts on my reads in the morning. and yes I got a check for someone on day 2. I wont reveal who till just before the day post for obvious reasons...
medics on this guy btw. I hate post like that. Directing medics is a fucking aweful Idea. This doesn't encourage a medic to protect him, it actually makes him WIFOM if he really should protect him, because mafia is reading this very post. STOP DIRECTING BLUES. Trust them, they've been pretty great so far and know what they're doing. Especially N1: N1 red DT check, N1 medic save. Also 2 great vig shots. wrong. blues are dumb. dont trust them, direct them.
hahahaha thanks jaj!
You're basically right jay, but in this case, I know that our heromedics will screw up if we don't tell them what to do.
Because the end of the story is a dead DT and a medic in the postgame analysis like: "wtf i thought they only RB him."
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,,Most of the town wants to lynch BM''
That didn't seem to be the case yesterday. We would have gotten rid of 2 scum then.
It doesn't matter about hiro's read of BM.As long as he feels BM's scum, he should do this,because at this moment, Mafia may well have 8 votes, not 6 and can rig the election by starting a third-party bandwagon under the fear that BM's a hatter and that he may claim putting bombs on other important players. We gave him a night's respite for nothing, and now mafia may rig this again.
Hiro will not be counterclaimed if he claims jailed: It would start a fight that would perhaps end in lynching a DT.
Any counterclaims to hiro's claim to be jailed will be considered as Scum.
Reason:The gain in information,by claiming jailed, is far outweighted by the possibility to start a fight.
Also, I account for the possibility of hiro being scum.If he is scum, he wouldn't want to lynch BM tomorrow and claimed DT KNOWING sandro was getting lynched anyways.I explained this above.He gained town credit, and now I account for the possibility of him leading us into a mislynch by being scum,and then claiming framed/miller whatever.
Now, if everyone reads my post, no one should counterclaim if hiro claims jailed. I am basically forcing hiro to claim jailed in order to have BM lynched. It is the nr 1 priority now.
If hiro reads this and doesn't claim jailed, something is fishy. We'll look into his DT claim then, and decide.
I think this way we get the most scum in the fastest way possible. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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I'm not jailing hiro, what are you talking about?
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On January 21 2012 22:10 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I don't ,,assume'' there is a RB. I say there's a strong probability for it to be one.
Please explain why hiro wouldn't lie in this situation.
This is reading like a scumslip
look at that ",,assume""
He also said Protactinium was "bussing" macpo
he also is casting doubt on bc (what if scum have 8 votes tomorrow u guize)
also asking me to jailkeep hiro who is protown as shit and helped me get sandroba lynched
i'm not liking this guy
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btw. one more thought. We might have something like a tracker. So I am not even sure if scum wants to RB hiro ;-)
HEY DEAR SCUMTEAM! Tracker would be awesome right??? :D
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I'm not asking you to jail hiro, I'm asking hiro to claim being jailed regardless of your choice this night.
This is to assure we're lynching you, scum.
You have escaped lynching yesterday by BS-ing us.I think that's unfair.
Stop bending what i say, I believed protact was bussing, I was not 100% sure. Unlikely, now that L has flipped red.
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On January 21 2012 22:51 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I'm not asking you to jail hiro, I'm asking hiro to claim being jailed regardless of your choice this night.
This is to assure we're lynching you, scum.
You have escaped lynching yesterday by BS-ing us.I think that's unfair.
Stop bending what i say, I believed protact was bussing, I was not 100% sure. Unlikely, now that L has flipped red.
How does L flipping red make it unlikely that Protact was bussing Macpo?
How does anything you say make sense?
Also, I really desire that we lynch BM tomorrow. The fact that he got elected is actually pissing me off right now.
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