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On January 22 2012 03:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 00:54 Toadesstern wrote:
Also I'd like to see another log from BC.
When BC answered jackals question (along the lines "how do you vets talk with eatch other?") bc promptly said he's a mason. Foolish however said it's a game of realizing wether those 3 are taking the same path or not. Looked to me like he was not masoned. Protact did not say a word about it but I'd still like to see a log. At least something
I don't want to run into a jack. Yeah I know, I thought myself when KJ posted that bc-might-be-joat-post that it's fearmongering but I actually take it as a viable option right now. which set would you like? I have protrac logs VE logs from where he mason'd me Foolishness logs. As a general note, if I claim I am mason'd to someone and they don't say "thats bullshit" in thread, the chances are guess what. I'm not lying. The only way I could be talking to them is if I was a jack and wasted 1 use and I was red with at least 1 of them, all of us were red, or I am in fact a mason. of the three sets of logs i'd prefer to show the ones with foolishness after the day post purely to have a full set of logs to show.
VE masoned you? wtf? So I was wrong about him after all? 
I'd be fine with foolishnes logs or protacs logs, I don't mind. As far as I know you did not call out that you masoned foolish did you? My point was that you may be a joat that faked the one with sandroba and used his mason on protact the next day to "prove" it. So yeah go ahead and post those logs about foolish unless there's something in there you don't want to publish for a reason.
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oh also I'd like to hear some names from you BC. Just shout out who you want to lynch BC right now. preferable after the night-/day switch as well.
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On January 22 2012 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 08:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 22 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
WBG's town beta is based on drawing logical conclusions based on evidence from checks/flips. His game this game is to jump to conclusions based on meta. This game is NOT like his standard town meta aside from him being jerky toward anyone who questions/suspects him. You're being obtuse Protact, and I think you're better than this. Look again bro. Now you mention it... Has he made ANY lists based off the votes/flips yet? I remember him using them heavily in Steamship... He drew up one list after the flip last night, and it wasn't based on any flips or information. It was just a list of people he was suspicious of, with no reasons given. Between BM and WBG, tomorrow's lynch should be a piece of cake guys, anyone who's not comfortable lynching BM should have no problem putting their vote on obvScum WBG. This is a good pair to have up, because I feel like they both have a really high chance of flipping scum, and peoples' opinions on them are going to be telling regardless of which flips.
I'm actually having problems believing wbg is mafia. Haven't seen something that yells mafia at me except for him being a dick when someone disagrees with him and tunneling like a mad man. He does both as mafia and town imo, however the amount of omgus his a little high. Nevertheless most of his reads are correct I think.
I mean he made a list and if you read stuff like the ss/wbg convo he pointed out a lot of reads and I agree with most things he says.
fancy conclusion: He's a mad, tunneling townie that is suspicious imo. At least I'm not really comfortable lynching him because I think he's AT MOST a 50% red flip.
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Mr. meapak. didn't you call me scum because I was trying to safe a scumbuddy when proposing to lynch Sandroba d1/d2 and said that the sandroba case is nothing but a poor defence to safe GGQs ass?
After macpo flipped you even told people to look into people who tried to safe macpo by proposing to lynch Sandroba because Sandroba clearly was just a distraction and you still pushing GGQ while people were switching to macpo was fine.
I don't want to make this sound OMGUS but you need to die.
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On January 22 2012 12:08 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 12:06 Toadesstern wrote:
Mr. meapak. didn't you call me scum because I was trying to safe a scumbuddy when proposing to lynch Sandroba d1/d2 and said that the sandroba case is nothing but a poor defence to safe GGQs ass?
After macpo flipped you even told people to look into people who tried to safe macpo by proposing to lynch Sandroba because Sandroba clearly was just a distraction and you still pushing GGQ while people were switching to macpo was fine.
I don't want to make this sound OMGUS but you need to die. lol this is like the most forced and set up thing I've ever seen If Meapak was scum why the fuck would he shoot GGQ and deprive himself of his only target? It's wifomy but I seriously doubt he would tunnel the same guy for like 72 hours and then turn around and allow his team to shoot the guy.
didn't you say 1 page ago that if GGQ flips green we have to insta-lynch meapak? How did you change your mind so fast?
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On January 22 2012 12:10 p4NDemik wrote:
Lots of people need to die because of sandroba's flip toadesstern but you need to put BC at the top of your list.
we'll see, I'd like to get a little more time to decide wether BC really is mafia and I'd like to lynch someone like Munk-E first.
Just fosing Meapak hard :p
Is mafia able to choose who get's to be mason as well or can they only chose about their power roles?
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On January 22 2012 12:17 p4NDemik wrote:
Why do you want to lynch a lurker who has had no real case made against him? What about my case against BC is lacking enough that we should give him more time? Why don't you want BM dead either?
And mafia choses their masons this was something that was discussed ad nauseam earlier in the game on day 1.
because I find it still hard to believe that he faked the logs with sandroba. BC obviously is a mason and he proved that with the protact log and I could totally see mafia giving him that role over a nooby. If you want to put it that way: The fact that a vet got this role might be a coincidence but it's not looking good. Still I don't think he faked those logs, that's A LOT of work to do
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2012 12:20 flamewheel wrote:
Day 1 Election Vote Tally
Votes for Bill Murray (11) Second
Macpo
Toadesstern
rgTheSchworz
Jackal58
GiygaS
Munk-E
EchelonTee
Nisani201
Mr. Wiggles
Ciryandor
kitaman27
Votes for kitaman27 (1)
evantrees
Votes for BloodyC0bbler (11) First
Meapak_Ziphh
risk.nuke
GGQ
zeks
Lanaia
glurio
Cyber_Cheese
Foolishness
supersoft
wherebugsgo
VisceraEyes
sandroba (didn't actually vote in voting thread)
Votes for Protactinium (10)
Palmar
Adam4167
Kurumi
Cwave
Liquid`Sheth
Jayjay54
Jitsu
p4NDemik
bumatlarge
blahz0r
Votes for supersoft (1)
Bill Murray
Votes for L (2)
~OpZ~
Scamp
Votes for wherebugsgo (2)
Kenpachi
Slardar
Votes for VisceraEyes (1)
L
Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (1)
BloodyC0bbler
BloodyC0bbler is elected as Mayor and Bill Murray is his new Sheriff.
There are a lot of non-voters. Chaosquo is excused for this cycle, but to my count that still leaves...
kingjames01
BrownBear
igabod (PM'd me saying he wants to be replaced; no reason why)
Erandorr (PMed me saying he wants to be replaced; not an acceptable reason why)
Protactinium
rtgICEMAN
Maxella
Just a little update. Nothing big obviously because it's town ownly that flipped.
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On January 22 2012 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 12:10 Toadesstern wrote:On January 22 2012 12:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 22 2012 12:06 Toadesstern wrote:
Mr. meapak. didn't you call me scum because I was trying to safe a scumbuddy when proposing to lynch Sandroba d1/d2 and said that the sandroba case is nothing but a poor defence to safe GGQs ass?
After macpo flipped you even told people to look into people who tried to safe macpo by proposing to lynch Sandroba because Sandroba clearly was just a distraction and you still pushing GGQ while people were switching to macpo was fine.
I don't want to make this sound OMGUS but you need to die. lol this is like the most forced and set up thing I've ever seen If Meapak was scum why the fuck would he shoot GGQ and deprive himself of his only target? It's wifomy but I seriously doubt he would tunnel the same guy for like 72 hours and then turn around and allow his team to shoot the guy. didn't you say 1 page ago that if GGQ flips green we have to insta-lynch meapak? How did you change your mind so fast? HAHAHA trolled you biatch! I see what the scumteam is doing. They're trying to lock down the lynch on Meapak today.
so far noone said a thing about meapak except for you and me. Was that a scumslip of yours or are yu still obsessed about me?
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On January 22 2012 12:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ok people. You can jump up and down and yell at me all you want however. BM DIES NOW.
You guys can all say "but BC we don't trust you" Yea so let me ask you this. Why are we not following the advice of the dead town DT who snagged near every red thus far this game?
BM drops. If he somehow flips town im fucked and dead after.
If anyone was jailed last night, claim it. If anyone took a hit same shit, if you were rb'd again.
Anyone who was mason'd to scamp should be coming forward as well.
The mafia are running with their tails in their legs trying to keep bm alive right now, DO NOT LET IT HAPPEN.
just a short reminder I know protact is town and I know he delivered some mafia so far but his list is not perfect.
I'll just quote the 2nd most recent (if you can say that in english?) he did because that got way more people in it that his "opz+bm+bum"-post:
On January 19 2012 12:02 Protactinium wrote:GGQ is cool. Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 13:12 GGQ wrote:
Yeah so I hard defended macpo because I thought he posted like I did when I was new.
It's probably better to vig me tonight instead of wasting a lynch. Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia. Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches. Nobody lynch him today, keke? Here's the new list of mafias.
L
kingjames
BM
Toadesstern
SANDROBA
Jackal
bumatlarge
opz
chaosquoNow this list is too big for them to all be mafia, but is the best place to start. Brief explanations on the new people on the list: BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game. ToadessternShow nested quote +On January 19 2012 10:56 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually willing to lynch BM + GGQ tomorrow. I still think my case is good but I don't like the arguments of the people joining me :p
However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say.
The only ones I like right now are people you are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here? Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch. Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol. bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play. And now I'm out of time. Need to post this before I potentially bite the dust.
Yes this is a double post. For some reason I am always cursed with posting when my post will end up at the bottom of a page.
So that's 2 townies out of 9, I know I'm blue as well which makes it 3/9 for me and only 2/9 are confirmed mafia so far.
I'm not going to blindly vote someone on that list especially if you're the one to pick the guy...
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well Jackal hasn't flipped yet but yeah I agree his pre-flip NO-EL looks to be a nice towie-tell.
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I'd love to see some posts from foolishness btw
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On January 22 2012 13:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 13:12 p4NDemik wrote:
He has no reason to defend Protact putting you on his list. It wouldn't have happened if you guys hadn't coincidentally posted in the same 5 minute window. As you are trying to discredit the dead man, I would say there is a valid reason.
yeah but I realy don't like you going after protacs list either and I don't like calling the shots right now. You and foolish mislynched into KJ, not sure if protact had a case on him but I do remember yours and foolishs.
You said if KJ flips town that's HUGE amount of information because you pushed the guy hardcore. So what's happening with that information? Do you want to tell me the information is that you're townie because you got a townie lynched or are you agreeing that it looks weird?
Also now you're blindly sheeping. I can understand that you trust the guy but flipping blue does not make him 100% right as p4n and I have already pointed out. 4 ouf of 9 on his list are wrong, 2 out of 9 are right and 3 out of 9 are unclear right now.
You're looking like someone who does not want to be held responsibility because next thing you say is "srysry guys, I just went for the guy that our dead, CONFIRMED DT wanted to lynch. Not my fault at all!".
I am not going to vote BM so easily. I want to hear what he has to say and I want to hear what he did this night.
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On January 22 2012 13:21 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 13:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 22 2012 13:12 p4NDemik wrote:
He has no reason to defend Protact putting you on his list. It wouldn't have happened if you guys hadn't coincidentally posted in the same 5 minute window. As you are trying to discredit the dead man, I would say there is a valid reason. yeah but I realy don't like you going after protacs list either and I don't like you calling the shots right now. You and foolish mislynched into KJ, not sure if protact had a case on him but I do remember yours and foolishs. You said if KJ flips town that's HUGE amount of information because you pushed the guy hardcore. So what's happening with that information? Do you want to tell me the information is that you're townie because you got a townie lynched or are you agreeing that it looks weird? Also now you're blindly sheeping. I can understand that you trust the guy but flipping blue does not make him 100% right as p4n and I have already pointed out. 4 ouf of 9 on his list are wrong, 2 out of 9 are right and 3 out of 9 are unclear right now. You're looking like someone who does not want to be held responsibility because next thing you say is "srysry guys, I just went for the guy that our dead, CONFIRMED DT wanted to lynch. Not my fault at all!". I am not going to vote BM so easily. I want to hear what he has to say and I want to hear what he did this night.
EBWOP
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On January 22 2012 13:18 Jackal58 wrote:
What I'm getting at p4NDemik is don't read to much into what BC just said. I understood the context of his post. At least I think I did.
WBG - WHEN WERE YOU TALKING TO SANDROBA???????
quoting to get this up again. What are you talking about? A searched wbg's filter real quick and wasn't able to find what you're referring to. Could you do me a favor and link / quote what you're talking about because from what you say it sounds important :p
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On January 22 2012 13:47 Slardar wrote:
What does Protract flipping Detective have anything to do with BM being Scum or not? Elected roles cannot be role-checked, therefore it was all strictly hypothetical since BM is "playing like an idiot".
BC is trying to tell us that protact is awesome and we can blindly follow his lead while ignoring the fact that flipping blue DT does NOT automaticly mean that a list done by that DT is 100% right.
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If our beloved sheriff locks up a mafia that one mafia does not count into KP. What happens if we vig a mafia. Does that guy count into mafia KP? I am talking about L and the fact that a vig shot him. Did that reduce Mafia KP?
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On January 22 2012 14:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 14:37 Jackal58 wrote:On January 22 2012 14:34 evantrees wrote:On January 22 2012 14:16 Bill Murray wrote:
I got my bomb back from Incognito, but it turns out it would have come back in the end
I am surprised Foolishness and my bodyguards are still alive, a sigh of relief
Now we can focus on what is next - who has a bomb on them
GGQ, sorry mate OK that's the last straw Bill, for now at least you get my vote. Mad HatterYou may lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 2). If you are killed you will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives, paramedics, or bodyguards). You may remove any number of them from players at any time during the night to get them back, but if a player is lynched with one on them while you are still alive you lose that bomb for good. Bombs are refunded if the target is killed during the night. ##vote Bill Murray@p4NDemik messy but should be full list of people replaced, if you want filters ask. vaderseven replaced zeks hiro protagonist replaced Erandorr jaj22 replaced igabod 26. glurio replaced d3_crescentia 2. Cwave replaced Refallen now to get to the rest of it. Who the fuck are you and why are you pointing out a fact as a reason to vote. I would say the important point is, based on the OP it suggest you can't move a bomb from player a to b, but only remove it from player a to put on player b at a later point. If thats the case, BM saying "i have a bomb on someone" is a clearly a lie.
I'd say it means "you can place a maximum of one bomb per night. You can additionally remove as many bombs as you wish during a night".
So it's either place a new bomb and therefore have 2 bombs out (the one on protact + a new one) or get one bomb back and place it somewhere else which would mean only 1 bomb out.
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On January 22 2012 14:43 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 14:40 Toadesstern wrote:
If our beloved sheriff locks up a mafia that one mafia does not count into KP. What happens if we vig a mafia. Does that guy count into mafia KP? I am talking about L and the fact that a vig shot him. Did that reduce Mafia KP? Are you for real?
yeah I am. I think VE is scum but that doesn't add up with mafia KP if he got shot. So either what I just asked in green, or BM did not tell us that he locked up a mafia or maybe BM is mafia and was told to lock up a mafia so that say can get one of them "confirmed" townie. Obviously the 3rd one is preeeeeetty stupid so I'd like two know if case #1 and #2 are possible :p
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Oh and I agree that mafia stacked. I'd say since they haven't used their joat-shot so far (unless they already doublestacked someone with that earlier) they used that to doublestack him.
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