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On January 20 2012 11:42 Jitsu wrote:
Cheers, Lanaia.
One last thing before I hit the sack.
The Mafia had four KP last night when the hits took effect. Targets were, supposedly, Sheth, Adam, VE, and Toad.
What is keeping them from doublestacking Sheth, one on Adam, VE, and having Toad come out to "pretend" he was target'd, but was saved due to Veteran.
I don't know why the Mafia would target him for a hit, especially since he was under such heavy scrutiny in the first place. Again, from a mafia point of view, just let him live and take a lynch with them.
This is fairly WIFOM induced, but it's a gut feeling I can't get rid of. That, coupled with the fact he's claiming accurate reads all game and that everything he has done was right, just irks me. It's like he's buying town credit by feinging correct calls. Anyone else feel the same?
Sound off. I'll be back in the morning.
Outtie.
if that's what you're afraid of, don't worry, I'll keep on lynching mafias and tell you who to not lynch. I am the most scary mafia in this game rawr :3
No but seriously. if you are afraid of me getting right calls all the time that's np as long as I keep on voting mafias isn't it?
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On January 20 2012 11:43 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 11:38 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2012 10:56 Jitsu wrote:
Home from class. Just read thread. Interesting to see Supersoft flip scum as well.
Toad, I have a question. Hypothetical question; you are the Mad Hatter. You have two bombs. Who would you plant them on right now and why? One thing that bugs me. It seems like you are purposefully trying to take as much credit as possible to buy town-cred by saying all you're reads we're accurate.
From a town point of view: I could give less of a shit who gets credit for a kill in a game as long as the mafia player is dead. I was suspicious of Macpo pretty damn early, but everyone assumed there was a slew of over players involved in it, so I gave zero fucks.
From a Mafia point of view: "Hmmmm, if I can accuse alot of people early, than I can look more town if they eventually do get lynched! Yeah!"
Do you think this reasoning if flawed? Do you think you are acting opposite of this?
Also, BC - did you use you're mason ability yet? I really need to talk to you, but I already blew mine.
can't sleep so I'm back \o/ Yeah makes sense, however take into consideration that pretty much everyone keeps telling me my reads are of no use this game, I'm bad and I'm useless. I want to prove that I'm not. Easy as that. That's not a town tell, it's not a scum tell, it's a ego-tell if you want :p I want to prove that I'm not useless, that's what I'm trying. I have just as big ego, if not bigger, than you do. But there is a big difference between telling people you are good at scum-hunting, and actually being good at scum-hunting.
I never said I am a good scumhunter. I am quite good at judging townies, especially noobies imo.
I think my read on sandroba is right because he basicly claimed mafia in the thread although noone wants to lynch him. If you ignore everything I said about him, just look at his one post saying something along the lines (I think it was his mayoralcampaign) : "it's really easy to catch me as scum because I can't keep up with the thread". Then goes on to lurk like a mad man and even manages to not vote d1. Srsly? 
Everything else are towntells and agreeing with mafias. I did not build a case on cyri or Macpo however I agreed to lynch cyri because I thought he's weird and I agreed lynching Macpo because I thought he's weird as well, although I'd much rather see sandroba dead.
So basicly: Yeah I think I'm pretty damn right on Sandroba and I'm good at judging tonwies imo. That's it. WBG keeps telling me I'm useless and I keep telling him "look bro, I'm not as wrong as you keep trying to make people believe"
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hey there KJ: Vote sandro, he's 2nd atm and may be your pass to life another day!
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On January 20 2012 12:25 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:09 Toadesstern wrote:
hey there KJ: Vote sandro, he's 2nd atm and may be your pass to life another day! I am not going to cast a vote against another player until I have an adequate reason to, even if it's to save myself. [...]
That's totally lookin town but is not town at all. I'm saying this looks like a mafia who tries to look townie.
If I had the option to either die myself ( = 100% townie dead) or kill someone else, even if I only think he's in 1 out of 100 situations mafia I'd gladly take that chance. 100/100 chance to kill a townie vs "I guess he's town but I'm not sure" is a clear one for me.
Why is it not for you? I think because you want to look townie
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On January 20 2012 13:44 sandroba wrote:
Holy fucking shigt toadstem every post you make you call me mafia at lest 7 times wtf is wrong with you. I nddv to crash i'll read every \\tihionh tp,prow
whatever that was meant to be but:
give me a single reason to believe you're town. Just a single one.
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On January 20 2012 21:48 risk.nuke wrote:We have plenty of good targets. I'm going to analyse a few players today. Example rgtSchwors, Kingjames and Slardar. For now Bill Murray is the one obvious choice. He is just desperate to survive another day I don't buy his MH claim. It's too impossibly stupid to be true. And there is much bullshit in his posts. Toad gained some early townpoints with me which is why I don't want to lynch him today, + Show Spoiler + I'd prefer not to post the post but I will if requested. . On the other hand I don't buy his vet claim and he has never been correct with alot of reads before which makes me suspicious of him. I'm leaning not lynching him but not by much,
quick question: Why don't you buy my vet claim? I wasn't even sure if mafia shot me because frankly I saw no reason to shoot me with so many people thinking I'm suspicious. Maybe to make wbg look suspicious but I srsly doubt that with so many vets around something like that would have been an issue at all.
So all I could think of is either a townie-vig who was convinced by what wbg said, but in that case someone else (other than VE) should have claimed another hit. That did not happen.
If that's not case I guess mafia aimed for 2 safe hits. Just take out a couple of waynies to reduce the number of townies. Quite ironically that they instantly run into two VETs (yeah still think VE is a vet) :p
I mean, do you really think a medic would save me or VE? I doubt it and actually that is a problem for my opinion on VE.
The guy claimed joat right? Has he ever called a shot? I can't remember and neither can I remember a roleblock claim. That means mafia thought he's a townie who's trying to get shot as well (like I thought). But why would they shoot VE if they tried to get a couple of safe hits? Did they think he's a VT and did not think of a VET?
This is massivly wifom at it's best but something's not adding up here. Neither the joat makes sense to me, nor the VT or something else that involves him being medic'ed, so the only thing left is a vet which just doesn't make sense for mafia
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Oh I think I get what risk.nuke is thinking.
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KJ, if you still have something you want to tell us go ahead. You're not going to make it without anythign super special from my point of view.
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Someone willing to share some thoughts about BC, protact and Bum?
I'm having a really hard time to judge them and I'm fine trusting them as long as they keep delivering mafias but I'm kind of scared I might be wrong here (I guess we'll see about that after the lynch).
Protact looks to be town to me, but somthing bothers me, same with BC. Bum is just a complete null for me: Thought he's town d1. thought he's fishy d1.5, and I'm basicly getting different vibes all the time.
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I did not. What did I miss that made you think it's a mafia mason?
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On January 21 2012 03:01 Jitsu wrote:
1. Guy clearly lurks. He's got, what, 5 posts in the entire thread? Doesn't even come in to explain why he voted on a player. Literally every one of his posts is apologizing for being busy in real life (which really isn't needed) and how he promises to participate (which he never does).
2. In my mind, the Mafia Mason would mason someone last. The idea behind this is because it would take time for the Scum team to decide on who was going to play the part of the mason. He said he didn't Mason anyone Day one because he was too busy reading the thread? Right...so busy reading the thread, you are able to make choices and decisions based on what you've read. I can understand that from the massive amount of analysis in you're filter.
yeah thought that's what you're talking about. I never saw the name myself and he's not in my sheet as well. Figured he replaced someone and it took some time to read the whole thread.
I'm not saying he looks good I'm just saying we probably should give those who replaced in a little time to get things rolling and I'm not only talking about this guy but about everyone who replaced in.
Sure if it's going to stay that way it's scummy but for now I'm ok with it.
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and actually I don't like the fact that BC's going after him at all given that he's a replacement.
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On January 21 2012 03:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 03:14 Toadesstern wrote:
and actually I don't like the fact that BC's going after him at all given that he's a replacement. your point? If you are replacing into a game, especially a large game you should realize the level of work you will have to do. Excusing someones behaviour for the first day they are in the game is ok, however, when you make posts like Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:27 glurio wrote:
Sorry for being so inactive, it took me till today to read up on everything. It was much more than I expected.
I will be more active from now on and participate. then your next post is Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 02:04 glurio wrote:
I voted how I did because I agree with p4ndemiks analysis of BM, he lately really started behaving weird. Also he is most likely to get lynched since he got the most votes. If hes a mad hatter, like he claimed and only placed one bomb so far, that would suck but it's a risk we should take.
kingjames i find really confusing he does nothing but accuse different people with weak at best arguments for being mafia. I have to admit i'm not completely convinced he's mafia, but without him we could maybe spend more ressources towards finding some more mafia and less random pointing.
I'm still not completely set on the kingjames vote, so if someone can convince me of someone better i will consider it.
I'm going out tonight, so i might not be able to change my vote in time. Will try my best though.
Also i'm claiming Mason. Did anyone notice the difference in pages? page 88 then next on page 145. He still voted last game day, and said he had caught up. Moment you make a statement like "i have read everything and will be active from now on" then don't have a single post in near 60 pages? and that post was made as you were called out for sheeping without justifying yourself? He's being called out because hes done nothing to say hes town. In fact his actions say otherwise. Promises to be active then never doing so. Why would I give him a break? Him being a mason just means that a potential red in the masons has been found. His sketchy behaviour is why hes being looked at.
the problem I have with that one is that there's a bunch of people like this and you pick out of all those guys the guy who replaced in?
Sure it's not looking good but why this guy? Just because he popped in? Why are you not asking other people as well? You know, I made a big case on sandroba (a vet) which is basicly about him refusing to play pro-town and not only about lurking.
There's people like munk-E, Slardar, Kenpachi (I guess he's something special) and someother people who posted like 1 page of filter in this game.
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On January 21 2012 04:16 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 04:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
WBG is scum. I'ma vote for WBG. He's been pushing for Toad for days, and aside from "I don't like him" he hasn't given any good reason why he needs to die. And now that Toad has taken a hit, WBG disappears. It could be a coincidence, and it might not be. I think WBG is scum who can't find an 'easy' target to attack.
##Vote: WBG I kind of agree. Did wbg post the part when we talked about me masoning L? I lost that part... wait a second...
depends. I remember you mentioning L. Something along the lines "I could mason Toad, he's german and I might catch scum" bc agreed and you went on saying "but I'd rather pick someone I can discuss the game with. I'm thinking about L right now".
If that's what you're talking about than yes.
I'm really having a hard time judging wbg because I can't tell how much he usually tunnels / how stubborn he is. I did an omgus vote yesterday to get at least some reactions and he sounded reasonable. I got the feeling wbg's the kind of player that tends to tunnel a bit so I'm not sure yet. I can understand supersoft thinking I was mafia d1 and d2 an I thought it's fishy that the lynch-palmar actions from supersoft and wbg where so "orchestrated" but now with those logs that makes sense and if supersoft said he's leaning scum on me based on my style I could see wbg believing that.
The main issue really is that he pushed so hard against me with literally nothing. He said he does not like my style and after reading those logs I figured our reads are pretty much the same. That doesn't add up. He himself said somewhere in there that sandroba looks fishy and yet he attacks me for pushing sandroba and for my "I'm not sure about palmar, he might be a stubborn townie"-read. That's basicly everything he said about me.
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On January 21 2012 04:28 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 04:16 supersoft wrote:On January 21 2012 04:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
WBG is scum. I'ma vote for WBG. He's been pushing for Toad for days, and aside from "I don't like him" he hasn't given any good reason why he needs to die. And now that Toad has taken a hit, WBG disappears. It could be a coincidence, and it might not be. I think WBG is scum who can't find an 'easy' target to attack.
##Vote: WBG I kind of agree. Did wbg post the part when we talked about me masoning L? I lost that part... wait a second... depends. I remember you mentioning L. Something along the lines "I could mason Toad, he's german and I might catch scum" wbg agreed and you went on saying "but I'd rather pick someone I can discuss the game with. I'm thinking about L right now". If that's what you're talking about than yes. I'm really having a hard time judging wbg because I can't tell how much he usually tunnels / how stubborn he is. I did an omgus vote yesterday to get at least some reactions and he sounded reasonable. I got the feeling wbg's the kind of player that tends to tunnel a bit so I'm not sure yet. I can understand supersoft thinking I was mafia d1 and d2 an I thought it's fishy that the lynch-palmar actions from supersoft and wbg where so "orchestrated" but now with those logs that makes sense and if supersoft said he's leaning scum on me based on my style I could see wbg believing that. The main issue really is that he pushed so hard against me with literally nothing. He said he does not like my style and after reading those logs I figured our reads are pretty much the same. That doesn't add up. He himself said somewhere in there that sandroba looks fishy and yet he attacks me for pushing sandroba and for my "I'm not sure about palmar, he might be a stubborn townie"-read. That's basicly everything he said about me.
EBWOP in [b]-tag. Guess it was clear what I was talking about but who knows.
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On January 21 2012 04:31 Protactinium wrote:
OH I'm being bombed. Lol. Voting Sandroba. Even if BM is mafia we have plenty of other good targets.
Also please stop voting people who are not on my list. WBG is a non-sensical lynch.
supersoft is likewise.
the people still voting for GGQ are ...
ima look at the vote lists later when i get out of class.
The big issue I have with BM is his claim...
It's not like it's going to get better. I'm not believing a word he says about his claim but who knows, it's BM
What's going to change tomorrow? Are we supposed to somehow know if he really is a hatter or not, if so how?
It's a claim that's not provable until he dies.
Other than that I'd be up for a sandroba lynch :p
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p4n rest assure that I would blame BC if KJ really flips green. Not sure if I'd push him for lynch (not that anyone gives a damn about who I want to see dead) but if it's even worse and we KJ flips green + BM green BC'd be basicly dead imo.
Also protact you do realize that unvoting BM to vote sandroba right now is only going to get KJ another day to live and will lynch sandroba instead? Not that I have anything particular against lynching sandroba but right now BM has to many votes to get both KJ and sandroba lynched.
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if sandroba is going to be lynched and flips green (which I don't think will happen) I'm the guy that's going to get counter-lynched right? If sandroba flips green BC and protact are both fine imo because everyone will be stomping on me and wbg will lead the pack that's stomping on me. Just mentioning :p
I'd love to see sandroba get lynched but I'd also love to get some information about BC and protact at this point. I'm fine with both.
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On January 21 2012 05:21 hiro protagonist wrote:Hey BC, Protac, remember when I made this great post detailing why Sandro was scum? BC called me an idiot for wanting to lynch sand, and protac thought my case was weak at best? I could not get any traction for my case without you guys, and now BC paraphrases my exact points in regard to sandroba, and protac comes in like it was his idea. just... you know ... Its just a bit ironic.
yeah I'm so confused right now. I've been bitchslapped left and right. People called my case on sandroba retarded and I think I was the first one who said he might be scum although I was not the first who did the job to build a case although I think my case is the best :3
And now out of nowhere protact wants to lynch sandroba and BC / foolish follow him? I have no idea what's going on.
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On January 21 2012 05:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 05:21 hiro protagonist wrote:Hey BC, Protac, remember when I made this great post detailing why Sandro was scum? BC called me an idiot for wanting to lynch sand, and protac thought my case was weak at best? I could not get any traction for my case without you guys, and now BC paraphrases my exact points in regard to sandroba, and protac comes in like it was his idea. just... you know ... Its just a bit ironic. his day 1 play had me convinced he was town. I had to read his filter from this game and compare it to a known scum him and a known town -_- His scum habit seems to be "solidify a townie read" day 1 then do near nothing to avoid being offed.
quick question: Why did sandroba vote you d1 to be mayor?
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