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On January 19 2012 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 04:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and please stop telling me "Toad you're very wrong". So far I was right with pretty much everything I said. The thing were I have an opinion that differs from yours is sandroba. Everything else is totally the same.
I said mattchew is town, I said palmar is town, I said cyri is mafia, I said macpo is probably mafia but I'd like to lynch someone else first to get a better read on him because he posted so little, I said kita& wiggles are probably town when I talked about their campaigns, I said foolish is probably town and I'm agreeing with pretty much everyone on that mafia list.
How can you say I've been wrong so much. The only thing I could be wrong about could be Sandroba and he hasn't flipped yet.
So PLEASE stop telling me I'm wrong so much if everyone that flipped showed I was right with what I say and the one person we've got different opions hasn't even flipped. what I think is funny is that you are getting smacked left and right and are also on peoples list for that sandro bullshit, while I do basically the same thing and end up on no list... we pretty much agreed on most and even the unpopular stuff, you were just leaning towards sandro scum and I BC scum. why is no one casing me. I find that hard to understand. seriously, people are trying to fuck you man 
tell me about it. If the rules would not tell me to not get myself lynched I'd totally tell everyone to lynch me and if I flip town to just wbg for revenge and shitting on me although there is literally nothing except the one read that differs: Sandroba (oh and palmar, were I (<----) was right)
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On January 19 2012 04:30 GGQ wrote:
As day 1 was coming to close, Protact was leading the mayor vote and promising to lynch Macpo after already calling out ciryandor. It's possible he's scum bussing two teammates but that's not likely enough to be seriously considered at this point.
It's far more likely that the scum are players trying to distract from lynching these two on day 1, like wherebugsgo pushing hard on palmar all day, supersoft joining him, BC lynching palmar.
hey man, u might want to improve your reputation around here. since you're pretty much saying nothing more than a vague opinion:
who would you, GGQ, lynch right now and why? you got two votes!
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On January 19 2012 04:39 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 03:21 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Hmm, the way I see it, BM or BC is scum.
Scum don't usually like to take risks. If they already had a strong candidate on the line, why risk another?
If it came down to denying one scum role.
The mayor chooses a lynch and gets three votes, it's easy enough to make sure the mayor mislynches, and mason the mayor and attempt to sway him on later days. The sheriff's power however, could block KP and save townies.
Sheriff seems like the obvious choice. I dislike the use of the argument "One of the mayor or sheriff MUST be scum because scum wouldn't let both spots go to townies" because it's just... not accurate. Sure, it's pretty logical to think Mafia would throw a candidate out there, but people place too much faith in Mafia's ability to win elections based off their super-secret voting bloc and their supposed ability to con their way into office. In the end, a mafia candidate has to win his office based off of solid reasoning and debate, not by virtue of mafia being able to sprinkle a few extra votes his way. What if Protactinium was the mafia candidate and he just happened to lose a close race to BC and BM? What if WBG was the mafia candidate, and he just scrubbed his campaign epically? What if mafia pulled a double-fakeout and stayed completely out of the mayoral race, knowing we'd be picking the winners to pieces and spending less time trying to find them? These are all questions we should be asking. Do I think one or both of BC or BM is probably mafia? In this case, I wouldn't be surprised. However, the argument "One of them must be mafia because they're elected officials" has no place here.
Not quite what I was trying to convey. Like I said, scum don't like to take risks, so I believe they only had one strong candidate, and this is another reason I believe said candidate is BM.
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On January 19 2012 04:43 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 19 2012 04:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and please stop telling me "Toad you're very wrong". So far I was right with pretty much everything I said. The thing were I have an opinion that differs from yours is sandroba. Everything else is totally the same.
I said mattchew is town, I said palmar is town, I said cyri is mafia, I said macpo is probably mafia but I'd like to lynch someone else first to get a better read on him because he posted so little, I said kita& wiggles are probably town when I talked about their campaigns, I said foolish is probably town and I'm agreeing with pretty much everyone on that mafia list.
How can you say I've been wrong so much. The only thing I could be wrong about could be Sandroba and he hasn't flipped yet.
So PLEASE stop telling me I'm wrong so much if everyone that flipped showed I was right with what I say and the one person we've got different opions hasn't even flipped. what I think is funny is that you are getting smacked left and right and are also on peoples list for that sandro bullshit, while I do basically the same thing and end up on no list... we pretty much agreed on most and even the unpopular stuff, you were just leaning towards sandro scum and I BC scum. why is no one casing me. I find that hard to understand. seriously, people are trying to fuck you man tell me about it. If the rules would not tell me to not get myself lynched I'd totally tell everyone to lynch me and if I flip town to just wbg for revenge and shitting on me although there is literally nothing except the one read that differs: Sandroba (oh and palmar, were I (<----) was right)
modkill sacrifice
btw: Leaning towards WBG being overly aggressive townie. No scum.
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On January 19 2012 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 04:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and please stop telling me "Toad you're very wrong". So far I was right with pretty much everything I said. The thing were I have an opinion that differs from yours is sandroba. Everything else is totally the same.
I said mattchew is town, I said palmar is town, I said cyri is mafia, I said macpo is probably mafia but I'd like to lynch someone else first to get a better read on him because he posted so little, I said kita& wiggles are probably town when I talked about their campaigns, I said foolish is probably town and I'm agreeing with pretty much everyone on that mafia list.
How can you say I've been wrong so much. The only thing I could be wrong about could be Sandroba and he hasn't flipped yet.
So PLEASE stop telling me I'm wrong so much if everyone that flipped showed I was right with what I say and the one person we've got different opions hasn't even flipped. what I think is funny is that you are getting smacked left and right and are also on peoples list for that sandro bullshit, while I do basically the same thing and end up on no list... we pretty much agreed on most and even the unpopular stuff, you were just leaning towards sandro scum and I BC scum. why is no one casing me. I find that hard to understand. seriously, people are trying to fuck you man
Chainsaw defence?
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On January 19 2012 04:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 19 2012 04:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and please stop telling me "Toad you're very wrong". So far I was right with pretty much everything I said. The thing were I have an opinion that differs from yours is sandroba. Everything else is totally the same.
I said mattchew is town, I said palmar is town, I said cyri is mafia, I said macpo is probably mafia but I'd like to lynch someone else first to get a better read on him because he posted so little, I said kita& wiggles are probably town when I talked about their campaigns, I said foolish is probably town and I'm agreeing with pretty much everyone on that mafia list.
How can you say I've been wrong so much. The only thing I could be wrong about could be Sandroba and he hasn't flipped yet.
So PLEASE stop telling me I'm wrong so much if everyone that flipped showed I was right with what I say and the one person we've got different opions hasn't even flipped. what I think is funny is that you are getting smacked left and right and are also on peoples list for that sandro bullshit, while I do basically the same thing and end up on no list... we pretty much agreed on most and even the unpopular stuff, you were just leaning towards sandro scum and I BC scum. why is no one casing me. I find that hard to understand. seriously, people are trying to fuck you man Chainsaw defence?
had to mafia wiki that:
[The general form of this tell is "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum". ]
Who did I attack? Even more so, I defended WBG last post.
Or did I get the term wrong
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No no, I don't mean you, I mean the people attacking Toad
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On January 19 2012 04:57 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
No no, I don't mean you, I mean the people attacking Toad
that's what I'm talking about for 2 days pretty much. Noone gets attacked but me. I am pushing sandroba, there's other people pushing someone else but they don't get attacked. I am literally only pushing sandro everything else is exactly the same yet I'm being stoned in here. That is one of the reasons I'm sticking with sandroba :p
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On January 19 2012 04:57 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
No no, I don't mean you, I mean the people attacking Toad
sorry, you should have specified that
as I said, bugs is listed as town in my books...
and why wouldn't they attack me in the slightest, when I did the same thing?
To much speculation imo.
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On January 19 2012 05:01 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 04:57 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
No no, I don't mean you, I mean the people attacking Toad sorry, you should have specified that as I said, bugs is listed as town in my books... and why wouldn't they attack me in the slightest, when I did the same thing? To much speculation imo.
Well, if the person being defended flips scum it's a relatively solid tell. It is possible for townies to defend each other like that.
Why wouldn't they attack you?
On January 19 2012 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 04:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and please stop telling me "Toad you're very wrong". So far I was right with pretty much everything I said. The thing were I have an opinion that differs from yours is sandroba. Everything else is totally the same.
I said mattchew is town, I said palmar is town, I said cyri is mafia, I said macpo is probably mafia but I'd like to lynch someone else first to get a better read on him because he posted so little, I said kita& wiggles are probably town when I talked about their campaigns, I said foolish is probably town and I'm agreeing with pretty much everyone on that mafia list.
How can you say I've been wrong so much. The only thing I could be wrong about could be Sandroba and he hasn't flipped yet.
So PLEASE stop telling me I'm wrong so much if everyone that flipped showed I was right with what I say and the one person we've got different opions hasn't even flipped. what I think is funny is that you are getting smacked left and right and are also on peoples list for that sandro bullshit, while I do basically the same thing and end up on no list... we pretty much agreed on most and even the unpopular stuff, you were just leaning towards sandro scum and I BC scum. why is no one casing me. I find that hard to understand. seriously, people are trying to fuck you man
The bolded part seems to be a very crucial difference.
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On January 19 2012 05:00 Toadesstern wrote:
that's what I'm talking about for 2 days pretty much. Noone gets attacked but me.
That's not really true. The big swings have been against BM and L.
I am pushing sandroba, there's other people pushing someone else but they don't get attacked. I am literally only pushing sandro everything else is exactly the same yet I'm being stoned in here. That is one of the reasons I'm sticking with sandroba :p
Maybe they're just pissed that your logic is so bad that you're unreadable despite a 10-page filter
Meh. If I'm still alive tomorrow I promise to get off my arse and deconstruct your case on Sandroba properly. Maybe I'll do jayjay's Sandro/BC case at the same time.
For what it's worth you're not in my top 8. I definitely want Jackal in there though. Way too many one-line posts, which fits this game's scum ethos of being completely useless.
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On January 19 2012 05:46 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 05:00 Toadesstern wrote:
that's what I'm talking about for 2 days pretty much. Noone gets attacked but me.
That's not really true. The big swings have been against BM and L. Show nested quote +
I am pushing sandroba, there's other people pushing someone else but they don't get attacked. I am literally only pushing sandro everything else is exactly the same yet I'm being stoned in here. That is one of the reasons I'm sticking with sandroba :p
Maybe they're just pissed that your logic is so bad that you're unreadable despite a 10-page filter Meh. If I'm still alive tomorrow I promise to get off my arse and deconstruct your case on Sandroba properly. Maybe I'll do jayjay's Sandro/BC case at the same time. For what it's worth you're not in my top 8. I definitely want Jackal in there though. Way too many one-line posts, which fits this game's scum ethos of being completely useless.
The point here is that I've made several posts, people are saying (the sandroba post) is retarded. I am asking why and there's no answers 
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@Toadesstern: I know. Hence the promise.
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I'll redo it so that it's a little bit more clear. Everyone who thinks it is retarded is strongly invited to tell me why it is retarded and if you do I will talk to you. If you don't please stop attacking me for pushing sandroba while I literally agree with everything else, kk?
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I think we'll have enough trouble pushing BM + X through properly. I don't want to reopen the sandro + bc case again right now tbh. I don't want to have 20 lynch candidates. And by opening that case not only will sandro but also you be one...
toad as long as you have just few votes on you, you're fine. Redo the case when people want to see your head.
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On January 19 2012 04:30 GGQ wrote:
As day 1 was coming to close, Protact was leading the mayor vote and promising to lynch Macpo after already calling out ciryandor. It's possible he's scum bussing two teammates but that's not likely enough to be seriously considered at this point.
It's far more likely that the scum are players trying to distract from lynching these two on day 1, like wherebugsgo pushing hard on palmar all day, supersoft joining him, BC lynching palmar.
Looking at the KP formula. I think that wouldn't be a bad idea on Mafia's part.
Look at this scenario: He gets two of his teammates killed, that leaves 8/10 remaining. They have enough members to still kill every night and we fall into his trap of believing he is definitely town.
I think if he gets another killed, dropping the Mafia KP by 1, that he would be safely deemed town.
Still reading =x
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On January 19 2012 06:12 blahz0r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 04:30 GGQ wrote:
As day 1 was coming to close, Protact was leading the mayor vote and promising to lynch Macpo after already calling out ciryandor. It's possible he's scum bussing two teammates but that's not likely enough to be seriously considered at this point.
It's far more likely that the scum are players trying to distract from lynching these two on day 1, like wherebugsgo pushing hard on palmar all day, supersoft joining him, BC lynching palmar. Looking at the KP formula. I think that wouldn't be a bad idea on Mafia's part. Look at this scenario: He gets two of his teammates killed, that leaves 8/10 remaining. They have enough members to still kill every night and we fall into his trap of believing he is definitely town. I think if he gets another killed, dropping the Mafia KP by 1, that he would be safely deemed town. Still reading =x
There are ways to become a "safely deemed town" person. However just because they find mafia like this doesn't make them town for sure. As long as he keeps finding Mafia its great, its townie. You just have to notice when peoples interests seem to change. Or their logic is different or they stop finding mafia. I don't think anyone is "safely deemed town" yet.
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going to be heading off to work shortly so I shall throw this up now.
I mason'd Protract for this cycle and have been communicating off and on for the day.
All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend.
As things stand now, ggq/jackal are the two I intend on pushing come the lynch, again barring any new information. All masons playing in pm land but not posting in thread be warned, you will be put up for analysis / lynch if you don't get your act together.
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On January 19 2012 06:12 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think we'll have enough trouble pushing BM + X through properly. I don't want to reopen the sandro + bc case again right now tbh. I don't want to have 20 lynch candidates. And by opening that case not only will sandro but also you be one...
toad as long as you have just few votes on you, you're fine. Redo the case when people want to see your head.
fine. Got a .txt that's called "Toads case v2". So if people want to lynch me I'm going to post it :p
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On January 19 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
going to be heading off to work shortly so I shall throw this up now.
I mason'd Protract for this cycle and have been communicating off and on for the day.
All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend.
As things stand now, ggq/jackal are the two I intend on pushing come the lynch, again barring any new information. All masons playing in pm land but not posting in thread be warned, you will be put up for analysis / lynch if you don't get your act together.
Lol.
Good luck with that.
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