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On January 19 2012 13:20 p4NDemik wrote:
Can someone please speak to the actual content of my accusation? You guys are acting like children on the playground.
the problem I have with it is that we already have a bunch of people we're able happy to lynch today. I don't think we need more but yeah I am suspicious of supersoft for couple of reasons as well but I'm not sure about it + everyone else stomped on me the last time I posted a case.
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I'm not sure if we should vote for double lynch yet.
The lynches we're attempting are kind of risky.
I am on BM and KJ. If BM turns out green we lynched an office and there's enough people saying there's one mafia within BC/BM and I'd agree with that. If kingjames flips green we got a bunch of players who accused him and actually KJ just dir a case himself.
For me the lynches we get tonight are a turning point to see which "side" is right I don't know if I'll be able to make 2 decisions tomorrow. Of course if both flip red that's going to be easy, but if both flip red we surly can take a single-lynch to go on as well because we'd already be in a huge lead.
If it's only 1 or 0 reds I don't know if another doublelynch is the way to go.
Imo doublelynch is a low-medium risk with 0 gain if it turns out to be the right move and little to medium drawback. I don't think I want that right now
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Just a question: Why don't we get to know who was masoned each night by EVERYONE?
I don't want to see logs, I want to confirm the masons. No harm in telling us the names is there? BC already told us but I forgot that and have to look it up again...
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On January 20 2012 02:02 jaj22 wrote:
I'm having doubts about BM too. Maybe OpZ is right and he's just a bad player posting whatever random junk comes into his head.
Jitsu: What do you think? Any chance of a mason log?
Also I don't like anything in Protact's latest scumread post, which is scaring the shit out of me.
I somehow got the same feeling. I think he is right with what he said so far and with most stuff within that post to some degree but I'm scared he might try to buddy me because he knows (?) sandroba won't flip rid. Of course that won't happen because Sandroba will flip red ( :p ) but that's giving me some thoughts right now. Also consider how suspicious I was to him yesterday.
Look at what he posted about me and Sandroba. In his paragraph about me he states that he thinks "my case" has something to do with GGQ, yet when he talks about sandroba he says "my case" somehow makes sense given what I said about sandroba influencing BC and he seems to perfectly know that "my case" is the one about sandroba at that point in time. That could totally be a misunderstanding because I can see him thinking I was talking about 2 different cases and therefore thought there got to be another one.
Furthermore he says Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch. and follows up by saying (in sandrobas part) The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. How is that adding up? He basicly says the fact that I somehow know something I am not supposed to know (which is wrong) makes me look mafia and later on he says the fact that I know that stuff makes sandroba look scumm? Wat?
I just don't see how what he says adds up. I am the guy pushing sandroba for AGES and he says the two of us are both mafia? Later on he goes on to say I'm clear and am a townie but still I think it's weird.
I'm not saying protact is mafia at all, so far he was right a lot but I am a little scared about his most recent scum-list-post and it makes me thinking. That's again why I'd like to not get a double lynch next cycle. I'd like to see the flips (whoever is going to be lynched) and think about it.
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On January 20 2012 02:37 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 00:49 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm not sure if we should vote for double lynch yet.
The lynches we're attempting are kind of risky.
I am on BM and KJ. If BM turns out green we lynched an office and there's enough people saying there's one mafia within BC/BM and I'd agree with that. If kingjames flips green we got a bunch of players who accused him and actually KJ just dir a case himself.
For me the lynches we get tonight are a turning point to see which "side" is right I don't know if I'll be able to make 2 decisions tomorrow. Of course if both flip red that's going to be easy, but if both flip red we surly can take a single-lynch to go on as well because we'd already be in a huge lead.
If it's only 1 or 0 reds I don't know if another doublelynch is the way to go.
Imo doublelynch is a low-medium risk with 0 gain if it turns out to be the right move and little to medium drawback. I don't think I want that right now Finally, Toadesstern, I have been suspicious of you for a large portion of this game. I pegged you correctly early in TL Mafia XLVIII because of the things you say and do.
wat? I'm cooking right now and I'm only checking tl when I got some time. Is that something good or something bad about me?
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On January 20 2012 02:45 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 02:40 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2012 02:37 kingjames01 wrote:On January 20 2012 00:49 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm not sure if we should vote for double lynch yet.
The lynches we're attempting are kind of risky.
I am on BM and KJ. If BM turns out green we lynched an office and there's enough people saying there's one mafia within BC/BM and I'd agree with that. If kingjames flips green we got a bunch of players who accused him and actually KJ just dir a case himself.
For me the lynches we get tonight are a turning point to see which "side" is right I don't know if I'll be able to make 2 decisions tomorrow. Of course if both flip red that's going to be easy, but if both flip red we surly can take a single-lynch to go on as well because we'd already be in a huge lead.
If it's only 1 or 0 reds I don't know if another doublelynch is the way to go.
Imo doublelynch is a low-medium risk with 0 gain if it turns out to be the right move and little to medium drawback. I don't think I want that right now Finally, Toadesstern, I have been suspicious of you for a large portion of this game. I pegged you correctly early in TL Mafia XLVIII because of the things you say and do. wat? I'm cooking right now and I'm only checking tl when I got some time. Is that something good or something bad about me? Ah, I actually incorporated what I wanted to say to you directly into the next part. Don't accept lynching me for 'information'. That won't do anything. I will flip and then everyone will argue about what it means and then the next bad lynch will be against Protactinium or Foolishness. Just heed my words and look through my posts. Do some analysis. If you ACTUALLY find something suspicious, then come back and report it.
But I want to lynch for information so badly 
I'm not even talking about you, it's still about Sandroba. I'm either spot on and people are not trusting me for a reason (= safe sandroba/chainsaw-defence) or I am the town moron this game who's all like "herpaderp, Annul dayvigged a townie, therefore he has to be a townie himself, herpaderp!". I'm dying inside and want to know what's going on.
So far my 3 choices are either you (because I kind of trust protact or want to know if I can trust him), BM and Sandroba (because I trust myself and want to know what's going on). Needless to say that Sandroba is the only one I'm having an easy time to put my vote on. You got some drawbacks and BM might end up being town (just like you) but he's our sheriff. That'd be pretty bad.
But yeah I'll read your filter and tell you tomorrow what I think about it (19:00 in ger, leaving in 1hour). Voting you because I trust or wan to trust protact isn't exactly a good reason to vote someone so I'll have to check that.
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I start to agree that we should still lynch GGQ.
Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia.
Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches.
Nobody lynch him today, keke?
The mayor point here is that protact says "no mafia would do such a thing". Here's the point: Townies won't do such a thing as well. The post we're talking about has NOTHING in it to determine his alignment. Yes Mafia won't ask to be vigged, neither will townies. It's bad for both.
The only thing of interest should be portacts first line. As mentioned I only have 15mins left and I can't look in his filter right now. Of someone pointed out GGQ is defending macpo before GGQ made that post that line is useless as well.
fancy conclusion:
This is not a alignment-tell. It is, if at all a nooby-tell. The question should be: Is he really a town-nooby or is he a mafia willing to look like a nooby to not have a mafia stamp on his forehead.
Furthermore we can't allow these kind of things. Same goes to BM. If we treat those posts as legitimate defences because "hey look, no mafia would post a such a thing" we're opening a bottomless pit because we're allowing every mafia to just post something along the lines "hey sry, wasn't my best game, you probably should just lynch me to see if I'm bad or mafia to get over this discussion".
Who's able to tell the difference between lurkers who are told by their mafia buddies to make a post like this and lurkers who really are just bad? Sure the moment someone like BC would post something like that I'd want to see him hanging but we're talking about new guys here. I'll also look into his filter later on, however:
Next guy who does a post like that is to be lynched imo
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On January 20 2012 03:50 jaj22 wrote:I'm guessing this is a pressure case because Protact can't get a read out of Toad's filter any more than I can 
That easy:
Whole town thinks I'm town? - Lynch me
Half of town thinks I'm mafia and the rest is not sure? - I'm town and a bunch of crazy people jumped out of nowhere, focusing on somethin I posted that made them think I meant something completly different and they stick with that.
Has been that way ALL THE TIME.
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On January 20 2012 04:10 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 03:58 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2012 03:50 jaj22 wrote:I'm guessing this is a pressure case because Protact can't get a read out of Toad's filter any more than I can That easy: Whole town thinks I'm town? - Lynch me Half of town thinks I'm mafia and the rest is not sure? - I'm town and a bunch of crazy people jumped out of nowhere, focusing on somethin I posted that made them think I meant something completly different and they stick with that. Has been that way ALL THE TIME. That second option is....pretty specific. So lynch you when everyone thinks your town? Why, because that's what happened last game? You keep coming back to last game you were scum. Why is that? You're using meta from your scum game to try and incriminate Sandroba. You allude to your last scum game in an attempt to defend yourself by saying "Whole town thinks I'm town? - Lynch me" Why would you say that as town? Why would you say that if you had nothing to hide? That doesn't make any sense. You're posting like flailing scum Toad, that's why people are suspicious, and I'm officially one of them. Incoming!!
yeah the 2nd one is specific because that happened last 2 games when I was town.
@lanaia: I'm trying to be confident and trust in my read in Sandroba until someone gives me a reason not to. So far noone stepped up and gave me a single reason why my case is supposed to be "retarded". Take my claims about being right as a defence because WBG keeps telling me my reads / opinions are of no use ALL GAME LONG. Just read his filter and ask yourself again why I might insist on those cases where I was right.
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I'm actually going to place my 2nd vote on WBG and as mentioned earlier: I just got home after drinking a couple of beers with friends and will look into KJ's filter tomorrow. For now my vote is on wbg because NOONE except me and VE claimed a hit.
2 hits are missing, our sheriff claimed he has not sheriff'ed someone (also noone claimed to be locked up so far) => I should be pretty much a confirmed townie at this point imo. I don't see what's wrong with him and his style this game but this is just FAR too off to be just bad town.
##Unvote kingjames01
##Vote wherebugsgo
Take it as a placeholder while pointing a heavy fos in wbg's direction.
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On January 20 2012 08:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
What last 2 games are you referring to Toad, if I may ask?
I'm not counting the 80 player-cluster-fuck. I was refering to my first game and my 2nd game (I already posted them d1 because supersoft asked, just look up my first or 2nd page of filter).
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you're first quote tag is a [quote] followed by a [quote] instead of a [/---quote]
And I still think VE fakeclaimed, was shot by mafia and is, just as I am a vet who tried to be shot. He tried to do so by fakeclaiming, I tried to post a lot. If there's a medic out there who protected VE don't claim that shit, it's not even important if I'm right on that one and he really is a VET and not a joat if he really is town. Both fine with me.
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I'm really still not used to TL and what what kind of people can and can't do, but can't you just edit his post and change it to a [/quote] for the sake of getting things clear?
He's not allowed to edit it
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On January 20 2012 03:54 Toadesstern wrote:I start to agree that we should still lynch GGQ. Show nested quote +Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia.
Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches.
Nobody lynch him today, keke? The mayor point here is that protact says "no mafia would do such a thing". Here's the point: Townies won't do such a thing as well. The post we're talking about has NOTHING in it to determine his alignment. Yes Mafia won't ask to be vigged, neither will townies. It's bad for both. The only thing of interest should be portacts first line. As mentioned I only have 15mins left and I can't look in his filter right now. Of someone pointed out GGQ is defending macpo before GGQ made that post that line is useless as well. fancy conclusion: This is not a alignment-tell. It is, if at all a nooby-tell. The question should be: Is he really a town-nooby or is he a mafia willing to look like a nooby to not have a mafia stamp on his forehead. Furthermore we can't allow these kind of things. Same goes to BM. If we treat those posts as legitimate defences because "hey look, no mafia would post a such a thing" we're opening a bottomless pit because we're allowing every mafia to just post something along the lines "hey sry, wasn't my best game, you probably should just lynch me to see if I'm bad or mafia to get over this discussion". Who's able to tell the difference between lurkers who are told by their mafia buddies to make a post like this and lurkers who really are just bad? Sure the moment someone like BC would post something like that I'd want to see him hanging but we're talking about new guys here. I'll also look into his filter later on, however: Next guy who does a post like that is to be lynched imo
is it just me or did my post here get ignored completly? I thought GGQ might be a hot topic and therefore I expected to get some answers on that one, no matter if good or bad.
I still don't think what protact pointed out is a tell at all and that it's not a solid defence. What's everyone elses opinion on what I posted in there?
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On January 20 2012 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 08:35 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm actually going to place my 2nd vote on WBG and as mentioned earlier: I just got home after drinking a couple of beers with friends and will look into KJ's filter tomorrow. For now my vote is on wbg because NOONE except me and VE claimed a hit.
2 hits are missing, our sheriff claimed he has not sheriff'ed someone (also noone claimed to be locked up so far) => I should be pretty much a confirmed townie at this point imo. I don't see what's wrong with him and his style this game but this is just FAR too off to be just bad town.
##Unvote kingjames01
##Vote wherebugsgo
Take it as a placeholder while pointing a heavy fos in wbg's direction. lol this is what I'm talking about. This is like the most random vote I've ever seen. Plus, the only justification is "I'm a confirmed townie so I can do this and heavy FoS on WBG" No reason. No logic.
the logic behind that is that you're doing bullshit. I don't see a single reason why you should STILL want to see me dead. I was shot by mafia, KP is missing, noone else claimed a shot (except for VE but it's 2 shots missing). You're just wrong and I can't believe it's wrong for the good. This time it's just way too off to still be acceptable.
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On January 20 2012 09:41 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Jackal, I'd actually like you to weigh in on this: you came in and apologized for your 'bad play' up until this point, justifying it with 'I have a gun yo I didn't wanna get shot!'
Would you consider my putting you on the lynch-list justified for the (succinct) reason I gave in my pre-dawn post? Would you consider my reasoning to be "OMGUS"? [...] Atm I am still leaning towards scum with you. However I am also wondering if I am pulling a GMarshall and defending every scum player coming up for lynch.[...]
That's actually exactly what I'm thinkin myself :p
I defended palmar and everyone wanted him to die. I thought you are town and everyone else thinks you're mafia and now out of the sudden everyone thinks you're fine. I am pushing sandroba instead of other people.
I could literally be the town moron. I want to see sandroba flip so badly for that purpose. I mean is there anyone having a problem with lynching sandroba at this time? Anyone?
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+ Show Spoiler +[13:02] <supersoft> ahm i need your opinion on toadesstern
[13:03] <wherebugsgo> let me reread his posts real quick
[13:03] <supersoft> he has this huge posts style
[13:03] <supersoft> so annying to read through
[13:05] <supersoft> he got 6 pages...
[13:05] <supersoft> what the fuck. I list him as unable to read.
[13:05] <wherebugsgo> yeah
[13:06] <wherebugsgo> I just noticed LOL
[13:06] <supersoft> okay
[13:06] <wherebugsgo> he looks
[13:06] <wherebugsgo> more town than scum to me
[13:07] <supersoft> maybe i mason him
[13:07] <supersoft> he's german
[13:07] <supersoft> I will be able to interview him
that actually made me laugh but I'd be totally up for being maosned. Supersoft gogogo!
Still reading the rest.
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Ok let's get this straight. I've got EVERY SINGLE read like you have/ had, even those I never told you guys because at some point I just stopped telling you because noone was listening. Now I find out that I'm even with you on those ones I never said made a huge deal about (like jackal, kita) and essentially it comes all down to me being to confident and having a better read on palmar than you guys have although I'm a new guy?
That's it? Really? Ok I'll rething my 2nd vote tomorrow, don't know who I'll vote yet but I'm probably going to stick with sandroba.
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On January 20 2012 10:21 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok let's get this straight. I've got EVERY SINGLE read like you have/ had, even those I never told you guys because at some point I just stopped telling you because noone was listening. Now I find out that I'm even with you on those ones I never said made a huge deal about (like jackal, kita) and essentially it comes all down to me being to confident and having a better read on palmar than you guys have although I'm a new guy?
That's it? Really? Ok I'll rething my 2nd vote tomorrow, don't know who I'll vote yet but I'm probably going to stick with sandroba.
sry, that was directed at wbg but again: Just stop tunneling me. Give me a plausible reason why you want me to die that is NOT "I don't think a noob is capable of what you're telling us" because that's literally what it comes down to from what I see in your most recent posts.
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On January 20 2012 10:56 Jitsu wrote:
Home from class. Just read thread. Interesting to see Supersoft flip scum as well.
Toad, I have a question. Hypothetical question; you are the Mad Hatter. You have two bombs. Who would you plant them on right now and why? One thing that bugs me. It seems like you are purposefully trying to take as much credit as possible to buy town-cred by saying all you're reads we're accurate.
From a town point of view: I could give less of a shit who gets credit for a kill in a game as long as the mafia player is dead. I was suspicious of Macpo pretty damn early, but everyone assumed there was a slew of over players involved in it, so I gave zero fucks.
From a Mafia point of view: "Hmmmm, if I can accuse alot of people early, than I can look more town if they eventually do get lynched! Yeah!"
Do you think this reasoning if flawed? Do you think you are acting opposite of this?
Also, BC - did you use you're mason ability yet? I really need to talk to you, but I already blew mine.
can't sleep so I'm back \o/
Yeah makes sense, however take into consideration that pretty much everyone keeps telling me my reads are of no use this game, I'm bad and I'm useless. I want to prove that I'm not. Easy as that. That's not a town tell, it's not a scum tell, it's a ego-tell if you want :p
I want to prove that I'm not useless, that's what I'm trying.
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