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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 13:07 GMT
#2374
On January 18 2012 12:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Awesome. All you idiots who tried to get sandroba or protact lynched have a lot of explaining to do.


why? I still stand by everything I said: They looked scummy but since they're both lurkers / new players to me they're hard to read.
Didn't you try to get GGQ lynched instead? what's the difference here? Why do you mention sandroba or protact but do not mention GGQ?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 13:08 GMT
#2375
oh and I'd say we lynch BM + sandroba tonight, you probably won't listen to me and will make it BM + someone else, right?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 13:22 GMT
#2377
oh sry, right it's night time. So it's tomorrow or in 2 days if you want to count in real-life days.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 14:11 GMT
#2384
On January 18 2012 22:47 Bill Murray wrote:
You know I obviously meant to say mafia don't have to use deductive reasoning
I don't know who is mafia, but I have done a pretty good job and suspected 1 of the 2 people who have flipped
I want to see Sandroba's alignment to determine BC's, but I'd be willing to let it go for now, since you all don't realize (like I do) that one of Protact and BC HAVE to be scum

Since Macpo flipped it really looks bad on Protactinium and rgtheShworz


I don't think BC is scum at this point. He was one of the people he got the GGQ vs Sandroba for lynch discussion to stop and agreed with someone else (idk, foolish?) to lynch macpo. At least that's what I recall, going to have a another look at yesterday but if I'm right that looks a lot like town BW imo.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 14:54 GMT
#2388
On January 18 2012 23:38 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 22:32 jaj22 wrote:
Clarification: That's what it looks like if you do the absolute minimum to dodge a modkill while under pressure.

On January 18 2012 21:46 EchelonTee wrote:
On January 17 2012 04:27 rtgICEMAN wrote:
At this point i feel like there can be soo many guys suspected as scum, includet me.JayJay's post is rather unusual vague at the end then a realistic post.he says about alot of players then marks sandro as scum.Thought I appreciate his effort for this post, i kinda not agree with its conclusion.I ll keep an eye on GGQ and on lanaia and ill vote someone in the next 12 hours.


Does anyone else think that this post is horrendous? It's incredibly neutral, saying that "man there's a lot of people who look scummy, don't know what to do", which is kind of trivializing discussion. and slightly discredits jay's post, and his conclusion that sandro is scum. Eh.

He has a valid point about JayJay's post though. I had a real wtf moment when I got to the conclusion:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13162408

Probably just confirmation bias though. He has a scum read on Sandroba already, and he's desperately looking for confirmation in data that doesn't really support it.


Actually I have more of a scum read on BC. Since his claim. If you read my filter, you see that. And I'm 95 % sure that either him or sandro is scum. So I agree with BM here, when he says he wants to know sandros alignment to figure out BC. This is written on phone. But I'll post my opinions on stuff more detailled when I get home in some hours.

I'll post my lynch choices now though...BM (who acts insane) and ggq


yeah but BC pushes don't look like mafia pushes at all. He catched scum for us. I am pretty much willing to trust him as long as he keeps on catching scum no matter what. Either he's a mafia who's trying to get towncred by catching scum (I don't have a problem with that as long as the mafias end up hanging) or he's a town catching scum and that's obviously not bad either.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 15:01 GMT
#2389
On January 18 2012 23:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 22:47 Bill Murray wrote:
You know I obviously meant to say mafia don't have to use deductive reasoning
I don't know who is mafia, but I have done a pretty good job and suspected 1 of the 2 people who have flipped
I want to see Sandroba's alignment to determine BC's, but I'd be willing to let it go for now, since you all don't realize (like I do) that one of Protact and BC HAVE to be scum

Since Macpo flipped it really looks bad on Protactinium and rgtheShworz


So you are telling me, a player who pushed for the deaths of both dead red players is obviously mafia? I am glad to know that in bm's mind those who get red killed are mafia and those who get townies killed are town. We have a winner.

Now that night has started. Could you tell me who was masoned? Please before night ends, I'd like to get confirmation on that and don't want to hear "oh sry I masoned a player who got killed tonight".

I trust you right. See it as a chance to even improve that. I don't want logs, I just want the name or a good explanation why you can't give me the name. Unless of course you already told us the name but I have not found a word about that yet.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 16:43 GMT
#2394
On January 19 2012 01:37 jaj22 wrote:
@EchelonTee: Yeah, I actually made my first post on BM's Kurumi switch. His OpZ/BC team scum read was apparently an error due to mason confusion, so I'm not sure what to read into that.

OpZ's opinion on BM:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13179743

Foolishness's opinion on BM (somewhat old):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13168300
Really important post there. Should have been in my list for VaderSeven.


another important thing would be a blue being modkilled in your list I guess
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 17:56 GMT
#2400
On January 19 2012 01:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 22:07 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 18 2012 12:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Awesome. All you idiots who tried to get sandroba or protact lynched have a lot of explaining to do.


why? I still stand by everything I said: They looked scummy but since they're both lurkers / new players to me they're hard to read.
Didn't you try to get GGQ lynched instead? what's the difference here? Why do you mention sandroba or protact but do not mention GGQ?

The difference is I tried NOT to get protact/sandroba lynched AND I wasn't opposed to lynching Macpo. GGQ and Macpo are not mutually exclusive, I can support both of their lynches. Macpo and Sandroba are mutually exclusive, yesterday it was either one or the other.

Since we have a double lynch we'll lynch GGQ tomorrow and then I'll have an "I told you so" moment. For the second lynch Bill is a very good candidate. Especially with his last few posts lol.

where's the difference? I was not against an macpo lynch as well I just said that lynching sandroba is better imo because macpo is hard to read and so is GGQ because as mentioned, they both said so little and could be townies that are no longer interested in the game.
It was GGQ or sandroba or macpo. How is pushing for sandroba a bad think because macpo flipped red and GGQ is not a bad thing? Don't get me wrong I think neither one is bad I just don't understand why it was sandroba OR macpo but not GGQ or macpo? It was something like 4 votes vs 4 votes yesterday evening (german time).
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 17:58 GMT
#2401
On January 19 2012 02:09 jaj22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 01:43 Toadesstern wrote:
another important thing would be a blue being modkilled in your list I guess

Modkills are less important than any other kill. We're not modhunting here. Your post here concerns me because it smells of "I'm so town that I still weep for our stupid dead mason".

Besides, haven't you ever caught up on a game? Unless you're just reading for fun, the first thing you read is the player roster.



oh and no. I never replaced someone but yeah I guess what you say is right.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 18:29 GMT
#2406
On January 19 2012 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever, everyone seems to be discounting the idea that Protact is scum - why is that? Huh? He certainly makes more sense as the scum candidate than BM does, as far as I'm concerned.


my problem with protact right now is that I believe BC to be town because of the most recent lynch. Since all mayor candidates where so close it should have been easy to get a mafia into office => I think BM makes no sense and because of what I just said is mafia.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 19:20 GMT
#2411
On January 19 2012 03:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Well, I'd recommend we choose several candidates keeping it to 7-8 (double 3-4 because of the double lynch) and lynch two from there.

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote:
READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMES

I am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies.

9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L.

Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo.

Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point.

Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude.

Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better.

kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this.

zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future.

Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character.


Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh.

Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here.

DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT!

Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together.

Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching.

Macpo

Many others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included.

IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAIN

Also, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow.
##Vote: double lynch



I'd be happy including Toad and Schworz into this list and choosing two from it to lynch. Again the importance of what I'm saying here is lets keep it to these 8-9 and find a good reason for who we lynch.

GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh, Toad, Schworz (This is already 10, but I'd like to lynch from this pile of candidates if possible) I feel like adding 1-2 to the list is fine, but I'd like to see it stay small so we can get the best reads from these people and choose correctly on who to lynch.


we're having literally the same reads. Except for sandroba. I alreads said I'm agreeing with the post you quoted and yet you want to lynch me like wbg does because I think everyone you think is scummy with the one little difference that I think sandroba should be added to that list.
Now explain me again why wbg and you are trying to get my lynched.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 19:23 GMT
#2415
On January 19 2012 04:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 03:29 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 19 2012 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever, everyone seems to be discounting the idea that Protact is scum - why is that? Huh? He certainly makes more sense as the scum candidate than BM does, as far as I'm concerned.


my problem with protact right now is that I believe BC to be town because of the most recent lynch. Since all mayor candidates where so close it should have been easy to get a mafia into office => I think BM makes no sense and because of what I just said is mafia.

This logic literally does not make sense. Protact has pushed not one but TWO scum to death. Do you really think scum would bus twice? He's way more responsible for the scum deaths than BC is.

Toad you're very very wrong right now an have been for the past several days. Please reread the thread and figure out what's going on.


reread what I said in that post. I said "the problem I have with protact" (that is VE's opinion on protact). I said that scum probably got a mafia into office and I think that guy was BM and NOT protact/BC.I posted "I think protac is town" and you're telling me "no toad, protac is town, what you said makes no sense".
I guess you misinterpreted what I said because of that "the problem I have with protact" and figured I'm talking about why he is mafia, which is not the case ( which is not the case = I did not mean to say so).
Gosh I really have to type out everything right?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 19:33 GMT
#2418
Oh and please stop telling me "Toad you're very wrong". So far I was right with pretty much everything I said. The thing were I have an opinion that differs from yours is sandroba. Everything else is totally the same.
I said mattchew is town, I said palmar is town, I said cyri is mafia, I said macpo is probably mafia but I'd like to lynch someone else first to get a better read on him because he posted so little, I said kita& wiggles are probably town when I talked about their campaigns, I said foolish is probably town and I'm agreeing with pretty much everyone on that mafia list.
How can you say I've been wrong so much. The only thing I could be wrong about could be Sandroba and he hasn't flipped yet.
So PLEASE stop telling me I'm wrong so much if everyone that flipped showed I was right with what I say and the one person we've got different opions hasn't even flipped.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 19:43 GMT
#2421
On January 19 2012 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 04:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and please stop telling me "Toad you're very wrong". So far I was right with pretty much everything I said. The thing were I have an opinion that differs from yours is sandroba. Everything else is totally the same.
I said mattchew is town, I said palmar is town, I said cyri is mafia, I said macpo is probably mafia but I'd like to lynch someone else first to get a better read on him because he posted so little, I said kita& wiggles are probably town when I talked about their campaigns, I said foolish is probably town and I'm agreeing with pretty much everyone on that mafia list.
How can you say I've been wrong so much. The only thing I could be wrong about could be Sandroba and he hasn't flipped yet.
So PLEASE stop telling me I'm wrong so much if everyone that flipped showed I was right with what I say and the one person we've got different opions hasn't even flipped.


what I think is funny is that you are getting smacked left and right and are also on peoples list for that sandro bullshit, while I do basically the same thing and end up on no list...

we pretty much agreed on most and even the unpopular stuff, you were just leaning towards sandro scum and I BC scum. why is no one casing me. I find that hard to understand. seriously, people are trying to fuck you man


tell me about it. If the rules would not tell me to not get myself lynched I'd totally tell everyone to lynch me and if I flip town to just wbg for revenge and shitting on me although there is literally nothing except the one read that differs: Sandroba (oh and palmar, were I (<----) was right)
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 20:00 GMT
#2428
On January 19 2012 04:57 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
No no, I don't mean you, I mean the people attacking Toad


that's what I'm talking about for 2 days pretty much. Noone gets attacked but me. I am pushing sandroba, there's other people pushing someone else but they don't get attacked. I am literally only pushing sandro everything else is exactly the same yet I'm being stoned in here. That is one of the reasons I'm sticking with sandroba :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 20:49 GMT
#2432
On January 19 2012 05:46 jaj22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 05:00 Toadesstern wrote:
that's what I'm talking about for 2 days pretty much. Noone gets attacked but me.

That's not really true. The big swings have been against BM and L.

Show nested quote +

I am pushing sandroba, there's other people pushing someone else but they don't get attacked. I am literally only pushing sandro everything else is exactly the same yet I'm being stoned in here. That is one of the reasons I'm sticking with sandroba :p

Maybe they're just pissed that your logic is so bad that you're unreadable despite a 10-page filter

Meh. If I'm still alive tomorrow I promise to get off my arse and deconstruct your case on Sandroba properly. Maybe I'll do jayjay's Sandro/BC case at the same time.

For what it's worth you're not in my top 8. I definitely want Jackal in there though. Way too many one-line posts, which fits this game's scum ethos of being completely useless.



The point here is that I've made several posts, people are saying (the sandroba post) is retarded. I am asking why and there's no answers
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 21:02 GMT
#2434
I'll redo it so that it's a little bit more clear. Everyone who thinks it is retarded is strongly invited to tell me why it is retarded and if you do I will talk to you. If you don't please stop attacking me for pushing sandroba while I literally agree with everything else, kk?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 21:59 GMT
#2439
On January 19 2012 06:12 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think we'll have enough trouble pushing BM + X through properly. I don't want to reopen the sandro + bc case again right now tbh. I don't want to have 20 lynch candidates. And by opening that case not only will sandro but also you be one...

toad as long as you have just few votes on you, you're fine. Redo the case when people want to see your head.


fine. Got a .txt that's called "Toads case v2". So if people want to lynch me I'm going to post it :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 18 2012 23:55 GMT
#2451
On January 19 2012 08:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 19 2012 07:16 Jackal58 wrote:
Scum love to direct blues.


Scum also love to make blanket statements about what scum love to do. :D

lol, this is funny on two levels. :D

yeah I already thought of that when CC was talking about chainsaw defence. talking about chainsaw defence is chainsaw defense itself :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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January 19 2012 00:22 GMT
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On January 19 2012 08:58 risk.nuke wrote:
So toad what do you think of the plan, It kind of looks like it will be ignored untill the night is over which is a shame. Because everyone who is hee lurking should either yay or ney it. And discuss with murray which two people to wifom incarnate assuming he shows up.


like Jackal already said, at this point in time I'd like to not have BM involved in your plan. However the rest (= playing normal) is just fine. Let the medics deal with that themselves.
The funny thing actually is, that BCs "list" isn't that bad. Now that a couple of people showed up telling him it's bad to do such things we've got massive wifom. Clearly there will be medics reading this and maybe they'll end up thinking "hey if it's bad because mafia will NOT shoot X+Y I'll just not protect X+Y myself". Could be anything right now.

@VE: If you look at what it says yes, if you look at what it means no. Telling someone he might chainsaw-defend is a little fos itself because no townie should do such a thing, so in reality it is a little "yeah look at that, he might chainsaw-defend (=mafia tell)" although he did not explicitly say so :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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