On August 15 2011 07:40 Varpulis wrote:
http://pastebin.com/7uvxnYP2

slam500 is shifty as hell. Convo i had with him, i'm oystermeister, he's [zEn]slam500.

I disagree, not wanting to draw attention is a scum thing, saying that you don't want to draw attention looks more like a noob who doesn't want to be the day 1 lynch because he said something stupid, for example because he mentioned he didn't want to draw attention then got killed for it.

Navillus

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August 14 2011 22:47 GMT

#231

Also on claiming I'm not policy opposed to claims but I think that for it to work someone needs to figure out exactly who should claim, what we do with them when they do, and what we do with people who should have claimed and didn't. This has not been done and it doesn't look like it will be done so I'm against claiming here, especially because in this game we can't know if someone should have claimed and didn't until it's probably too late we know the traits that need claiming not the people so overall I don't think anyone should claim today just for the sake of claiming.

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 14 2011 22:51 GMT

#232

On August 15 2011 07:46 Trotske wrote:

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why didn't you let him defend himself? there was pressure on slam and you jsut gave him a way out of it without him dogin anything.

Because if my read is right on him he could easily make himself look scummier by acting nooby again while not actually making him any more likely to be scum.

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 14 2011 22:54 GMT

#235

Jackal would you like me to use smaller words for you, ok I'll try to speak slowly.

I am ok with claims under some circumstances.

This is not one of them.

Don't claim.

Simple enough?

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 14 2011 22:57 GMT

#236

Bleh yes I have a confusing way of writing and use too many run on sentences, but I just gave you my clear opinion. I am not trying to be confusing or hide my actual stance it's just bad writing.

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 14 2011 23:01 GMT

#238

Ok seriously I apologize for the bad writing I really am not trying to be confusing and again I am being clear about my stance, I am against claiming traits for the first few days of this game it does not seem useful and people won't do it.

Navillus

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August 14 2011 23:07 GMT

#244

On August 15 2011 08:01 TheAwesomeAll wrote:

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ok you are saying this:
1) hes town
2) hes noob
3) you guys cant see the difference
4) i just saved an innocent :D
you know newbs also have a chance to spawn scum right? I agree its a coinflip with newer players so id say a dt check on him would be more then welcome, but you cant just shoot down the pressure because you feel hes town and think we cant handle the reaction you think he would give.

you see whats wrong with that?

Ugh... yes I see what's wrong with that and I did screw up so sorry about that, and no I did not just assume that he is town. But I do still believe that pressuring him is less useful than other people because slips by him are still going to be more ambiguous as they're more likely to be caused by bad play than with others.

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 14 2011 23:08 GMT

#245

And yes a DT check looks like a good idea after I screwed that up.

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 14 2011 23:19 GMT

#248

I think we should wait for Slam to confirm or deny that this convo happened, if he denies it then they should obviously both be checked otherwise I think Varp looks fine.

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 15 2011 01:06 GMT

#264

That means that there's no way a scum can have the thief trait because otherwise he just steals from a townie outs the scum team and wins

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 15 2011 23:10 GMT

#331

Slam who do you think is scum, what do you think of nisani, and what do you think of forumite?

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 15 2011 23:13 GMT

#333

JeeJee! since your here as well what do you think about Nisani, Forumite, and Greymist? Do you think anyone else is scum?

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 15 2011 23:32 GMT

#337

Well forumite that seems like more of a problem with the scumhunting than the method of killing, so what do you think of the 3 people on jackels list?

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 16 2011 00:37 GMT

#349

Varps right Slam looked suspicious sort of made an excuse and hasn't said anything else all game, speak now or forever hold your peace (which means die)

##vote slam500

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 16 2011 20:40 GMT

#380

That seems to talk about why you are a good lynch... also I like, no I actually love how you're saying that varp and I are the "defenders" of slam when we are 2 of the 3 people voting for him right now

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 16 2011 23:04 GMT

#390

I'm switching on to Nisani, which I intended the whole time. Voting slam was pressure and to see if anyone would jump an easy non-Nisani bandwagon which Nisani did just to try to save himself (it should be noted that he admitted that he was more suspicious of taa but was actually just voting slam because it had votes already). If you don't believe me I told Varp at the time I voted that I planned to switch the whole time.

##Vote Nisani201

As a side note this takes away Nisani's reasons to vote for slam too because he said in irc that voting slam would give info on me because if slam was town then I'm probably scum trying to kill him but that's obviously false because I never was going to actually go through with the vote.

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 17 2011 01:12 GMT

#406

Ok I'm unvoting nisani but I think both of his lynch ideas are bad. He wants TAA for attacking him (that wasn't lying a "good" defense is very subjective, most people didn't think it was a good defense) and his reason for lynching Slam is that it gives info on me because I was voting Slam, but I wasn't actually going to vote slam, ergo no info.

Right now I'm not putting my vote on anyone because I don't have a great lynch candidate.

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 17 2011 01:41 GMT

#411

I'm voting forumite until he comes out and gives us a more recent opinion than that jump on the nisani wagon and FoS of jeejee.

##Vote: Forumite

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 17 2011 02:05 GMT

#413

Oh look who's back, did you realize that greymist actually said that there was reason to think what nasini did but greymist didnt think that nasini went through that thought process. What are your opinions on other people Sevryn?

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 17 2011 06:04 GMT

#425

The other problem I just realized is if nisani is scum he just says he checked someone who's scum and they confirm.

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

August 17 2011 06:44 GMT

#430

Yeah he really is unconfirmable, he can either check a scum and have them lie or if he checks a townie the only things he might return are apprentice which the townie won't know and detective who won't want to confirm that they're not vanilla because then the scum will know.