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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 14 2011 07:30 GMT
#453
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 15 2011 05:00 GMT
#662
Sup guys. Sorry you're stuck with me instead of Fishball. Reading through thread now.

Btw, clean up the spam.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 15 2011 05:16 GMT
#667
On August 15 2011 14:06 redFF wrote:
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On August 15 2011 13:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 15 2011 13:41 redFF wrote:
nahh i have town read on kav. jackal is 3rd party tho.


Evil twin? the evil twin flipped town -_-.

He even admitted he believed that since aidnai was his evil twin he must be a different alignment? the guy flipped town. Kav based on actions based on his role screams not town -_-

well the daypost says that he has regained his sanity. it could very well be a mechaninc between 2 townies. scum would not act like this.


It could very well be one scum one green like in Merc Mini 2 iirc?
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 15 2011 16:48 GMT
#706
Okay, I have finished reading through the thread. First order of business.

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On August 15 2011 14:38 redFF wrote:
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On August 15 2011 14:16 ghrur wrote:
On August 15 2011 14:06 redFF wrote:
On August 15 2011 13:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 15 2011 13:41 redFF wrote:
nahh i have town read on kav. jackal is 3rd party tho.


Evil twin? the evil twin flipped town -_-.

He even admitted he believed that since aidnai was his evil twin he must be a different alignment? the guy flipped town. Kav based on actions based on his role screams not town -_-

well the daypost says that he has regained his sanity. it could very well be a mechaninc between 2 townies. scum would not act like this.


It could very well be one scum one green like in Merc Mini 2 iirc?

if thats all you have to say after reading the thread then i fear for town this game. Vote for me and I will unban baal!


Do you have a grudge or something?
Look at the times. 14:00-14:16.
Look at my statements. Did I say, "I finished the thread, and here's what I'm thinking?"
Now, stop being so antagonistic. It's annoying, and I don't want to deal with it. Leave our little quarrels behind in XVIII or else I'm not even going to bother addressing you.


Now, on to scum. Day 1 was a catastrophe. Town did not maintain a good atmosphere whatsoever. Kurumi is HUGELY to blame. He has like 6 pages of posts ALONE. >_> Vigi him. I don't care if he's banned; I don't want his spam clogging up out thread. I don't want him to be doing that shit when he comes back.

I don't think Kavdragon is Mafia. Mafia wouldn't suggest 1:1 lynch, and mafia definitely wouldn't push someone as hard as Kav did.

I also don't think Kenpachi is any form of DT because it'd be retarded to out yourself day 1 like that. Also, if he were DT, he'd actually mount a case instead of just spam vote jackal and crap.

Well, who is mafia then? tnkted. Many of you have suggested LSB, and I agree with that sentiment too, but I think the two are linked indirectly and tnkted seems more likely to be scum. Here's why.

On August 14 2011 00:59 tnkted wrote:
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On August 14 2011 00:46 syllogism wrote:
What's the point in personality speculation and fishing at this stage? You should keep notes of your thoughts rather than voicing them in the thread unless you've a reason for it. The thread is already quite unreadable with all the supposed posting restriction related spam. Even if you have a posting restriction you don't have to be so obnoxious about it as there's always some leeway no matter what the PM stipulates.


WRONG

Know what personality people have is very useful for town. Outing roles is lame, but knowing personality can help us understand clues that somebody might be hinting at without revealing anything.

BTW guys pay attention to everyone's first couple posts. That's when we'll see the personality coming out the most, as people have fun with the roleplaying.

(PS Syllogism is meapak_zipph)


I completely disagree with the sentiment expressed here, and it leads town away from scum hunting. We're here to kill scum, like always. We're not here to find out people's personalities. It's not really useful at all.


On August 14 2011 02:37 tnkted wrote:
I don't think we should lynch kurumi. I don't think trolls are likely to be scum, and if they are they are the sort of scum that I feel we can safely ignore for the time being. Since they aren't creating a hostile town atmosphere and anyone they push to lynch probably won't end up dying, we can ignore them for now.


This post is extremely scummy. Soft-defending Kurumi, and basically softly encouraging him to continue spamming. If there's no repercussions for spamming, why stop right? Furthermore, he says it doesn't create a hostile town atmosphere. That's just wrong. The reason why town's atmosphere went to shit day 1 is because of trolls. This guy is just supporting that. He's saying, don't lynch the trolls, don't push the trolls, and hey, they're not hurting you guys either. Why would any townie want to do that? No reason. Why would mafia want to do that? So they can hide in the spam, make shitty posts and get away with it, and ruin Town's discussion for lynches. Mafia play right here.

On August 14 2011 12:11 tnkted wrote:
Jackal: L
Kurumi: BM
Pandain: Qatol
Kavdragon: Chezinu
Sandaroba: Ver
Syllogism: Meapak_Zipph?
kenpachi: Ace?
Meapak_Zipph could also be Ace.
Foolishness: Bumatlarge

Did I miss anyone?

btw Great work with erasing the inventor there Pandain.


Another post I want to outline for two reasons. One, completely avoids LSB who is, pretty obviously, Ace. Why would town avoid addressing town? I don't know. Why would mafia do that? So the link isn't there. Derp. Also, the list is pointless and seems more like one of those "contributing while not actually contributing" shenanigans for town cred. Who does that? Right, mafia.

On August 15 2011 02:05 tnkted wrote:
Since nobody is saying anything..........

ok!

#vote aidnai


Oh, okay, so he had an analysis on Deconduo (albeit poor), then just suddenly switches to aidnai! Great idea! Bandwagon onto the townie whom you haven't talked about until randomly deciding to vote him!

On August 15 2011 03:14 tnkted wrote:
RoL has enough time to blog.. perhaps he forgot about the game? Or he has a posting restriction.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=254766


Throwing out a soft FoS. Seems like he wants to get a random lynch started... Never mentions it again. That's scum play right there. Hints town towards a lynch, nudges town along, then back off and seem like he wasn't even a part of it.

On August 15 2011 13:54 tnkted wrote:
Kav, you need to claim your entire role or you're going to get vigi'd mighty quick.

Also... don't we get to see what his role was?

He says we should vigi Kav right? Like, the guy who actually ardently pushed for a lynch. The guy who he thinks isn't actually scum. BUT WAIT!

On August 16 2011 00:00 tnkted wrote:
No, vigs, don't hit kurumi. Unless palmar meant youngminii? I have no opinions one way or the other on that, I have no read on YM.

In unrelated news, should we be talking about sandroba right now? Yes, you all know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about that.


Let's NOT hit Kurumi, the guy who's been spamming the thread to hell and destroying the town atmosphere. Wtf. Honestly, tnkted is just promoting a bad atmosphere. Mafia is the party with that agenda. Tnkted is mafia
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 15 2011 16:50 GMT
#707
Oh by the way, even as BM, Kurumi didn't HAVE to spam uselessly. He could have used his spam posts to push for someone he really believes is scum. Instead, he just went ahead and posted random crap to clog up the thread. Seriously, someone shoot him. He obviously doesn't want to help town.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 16 2011 03:18 GMT
#750
LSB's not Ace right? Clearly Ace doesn't have a monopoly on that picture either. >_> Keep on tnkted, keep on.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 16 2011 03:42 GMT
#754
Oh man, you guys got me to spam f5 too.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 16 2011 04:01 GMT
#762
Curu, I'm a horrible shot. Your "gem" is just reading what I wrote incorrectly.
darkness overpowering
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 16 2011 04:09 GMT
#767
My statement wasn't "guilt." It was a "whatever."
Btw, I vigied Kurumi so we wouldn't have a spamfest anymore.
darkness overpowering
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 16 2011 04:11 GMT
#771
Oh, btw Curu, my guess for why Fishball brought out your roleclaim:
I'm a 1shot vigi that can only shoot people who claim roles/powers. Fishball wanted to note your roleclaim so that he can shoot you if need be.
darkness overpowering
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 16 2011 04:12 GMT
#774
And in case you don't believe my claim, filter my posts and look at my incessant want of someone to vigi Kurumi. Yeah, that's me. Good news? Mafia only has 2-3 KP it looks like.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 16 2011 04:14 GMT
#776
On August 16 2011 13:10 Curu wrote:
Why would you say "yeah it's something regarding my role" and then "lol not my fault." That doesn't mean "whatever."


Explained the "it's something regarding my role." "lol not my fault" = whatever.
darkness overpowering
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 16 2011 04:20 GMT
#779
Oh, my bad, 7 mafia and 3KP. Didn't know that was disclosed. So awesome.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 16 2011 12:51 GMT
#829
On August 16 2011 16:14 syllogism wrote:
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On August 16 2011 13:11 ghrur wrote:
Oh, btw Curu, my guess for why Fishball brought out your roleclaim:
I'm a 1shot vigi that can only shoot people who claim roles/powers. Fishball wanted to note your roleclaim so that he can shoot you if need be.

The role and that statement makes no sense at all. If such a role exists, why would he be against people role claiming and how does "noting" the claimhave anything to do with him potentially shooting someone. Further, how would such a role know when someone is fake claiming? If it's a oneshot ability, why did you waste it on kurumi? Did you find him scummy? Also, he was banned, as in received a real 2 day ban, so it's not like spamming was going to be an issue. You are lying.


LOL! Are you serious? So I've been breadcrumbing my shot since I came into the game, claimed the extra KP, and this is all elaborately planned by mafia? No, I think you're just trying to instill doubt here when I'm obviously the vig who shot Kurumi. What other possible explanation do you have? How else could I have breadcrumbed the Kurumi shot beforehand? Eh?

It's not wasted at all. This is to show I won't tolerate spam. And if he's banned, he's a lurker now too! So let's see, shoot someone hurting town atmosphere. Check. Shoot lurker. Check. Clean up thread. Check. MY GOD, THAT'S SO ANTI-TOWN.

Noting the claim makes it indisputable that the person indeed claimed. Fake claim doesn't matter. If you claim in any way, I was allowed to shoot you. The exact word is roleclaimer, therefore anyone who claims a name/power. Authenticity doesn't matter.

Did any medics protect Kitaman?
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 16 2011 12:59 GMT
#830
[QUOTE]On August 16 2011 21:16 tnkted wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 16 2011 20:58 deconduo wrote:
Theres something important that people seem to be missing:

[quote]Kurumi the Bill Murray was eaten by a shark.

The inventor has invented a digital scale.[/quote]

Btw...


[QUOTE]On August 16 2011 12:18 ghrur wrote:
LSB's not Ace right? Clearly Ace doesn't have a monopoly on that picture either. >_> Keep on tnkted, keep on.[/QUOTE]

Oh don't be a child. Fine, LSB is ace. You've convinced me. Speaking of which, Ghrur, I take it since you never responded to my big defense post, it was fairly convincing to you. What do you think about the people who hopped on that wagon who didn't even read my refutations, but were happy to use your initial suspicion?[/QUOTE]

Lol, no, I'm not convinced at all. In fact, I've been wondering how you even read my post while skipping the rest of my posts, considering you had to ask whom I subbed out for. You're still pushing for the same agenda, even defending spam in an already crap-infested thread. You're still scum.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 16 2011 13:28 GMT
#834
On August 16 2011 22:23 tnkted wrote:
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On August 16 2011 21:59 ghrur wrote:
On August 16 2011 21:16 tnkted wrote:
On August 16 2011 20:58 deconduo wrote:
Theres something important that people seem to be missing:

Kurumi the Bill Murray was eaten by a shark.

The inventor has invented a digital scale.


Btw...


On August 16 2011 12:18 ghrur wrote:
LSB's not Ace right? Clearly Ace doesn't have a monopoly on that picture either. >_> Keep on tnkted, keep on.


Oh don't be a child. Fine, LSB is ace. You've convinced me. Speaking of which, Ghrur, I take it since you never responded to my big defense post, it was fairly convincing to you. What do you think about the people who hopped on that wagon who didn't even read my refutations, but were happy to use your initial suspicion?


Lol, no, I'm not convinced at all. In fact, I've been wondering how you even read my post while skipping the rest of my posts, considering you had to ask whom I subbed out for. You're still pushing for the same agenda, even defending spam in an already crap-infested thread. You're still scum.


Seriously? I didn't write down who you subbed for, you're using THAT as an excuse that I'm scum?

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You're still pushing for the same agenda, even defending spam in an already crap-infested thread. You're still scum.


What, pray tell, is the agenda that I'm pushing for? I'm not pushing for anything right now except for a LSB (possible kita) lynch. What I'm amazed by is the fact that you are showing zero remorse for shooting a townie. Even if he was spamming (which, by the way, I still don't think he's doing) Great work with that, by the way.

Regardless, I'm not arguing with you anymore, this is killing town vibe. If you think I'm scum vote me and see how that works out.


@ everyone else: Is it possible that Kurumi created his invention and gave it to somebody before he died?


Do you... read the thread at all? I've already voted for you... >_> How are you pushing LSB's lynch without even reading the threads?
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 17 2011 02:46 GMT
#988
On August 17 2011 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious as to how Node could confirm that I'm Coagulation. Is anyone else curious? I did PM Jackal and Palmar, who said as much when THEY confirmed that I'm Coagulation...but Node just said 'I can confirm it' and voted for me. I never PM'd Node, and I never role-claimed to Node.

##Vote: Node

...until an explanation is received.


How did you PM Jackal and Palmar when no PMs are allowed?
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 17 2011 03:48 GMT
#997
On August 17 2011 12:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On August 17 2011 11:46 ghrur wrote:
On August 17 2011 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious as to how Node could confirm that I'm Coagulation. Is anyone else curious? I did PM Jackal and Palmar, who said as much when THEY confirmed that I'm Coagulation...but Node just said 'I can confirm it' and voted for me. I never PM'd Node, and I never role-claimed to Node.

##Vote: Node

...until an explanation is received.


How did you PM Jackal and Palmar when no PMs are allowed?


Role.


Mind giving out more information?
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 17 2011 14:52 GMT
#1029
I have no qualms about lynching Bum, and since it's majority lynch anyway, might as well consolidate our lynch.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 17 2011 17:45 GMT
#1041
On August 18 2011 02:26 Curu wrote:
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On August 18 2011 02:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am going to tell you all right now, both are bad lynches and a no lynch would be preferable. On that note, I will be voting for someone random right now.


So you somehow know the results of every lynch (today and yesterday), while contributing nothing to suggest a better target or anything?

Can we lynch RoL instead?


Yeah RoL, where did you're

On August 16 2011 13:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
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On August 16 2011 13:09 ghrur wrote:
My statement wasn't "guilt." It was a "whatever."
Btw, I vigied Kurumi so we wouldn't have a spamfest anymore.

I fucking love you. I can now start actually contributing. I am heading to sleep, but I will catch up tomorrow and apply rape where necessary.


"actually contributing" go?

On another note, I'd like to bring up the topic of VisceraEyes.

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On August 14 2011 13:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
You guys are so cute, all trying to measure your penises by role-claiming. I'd do the same, but...nah. Luckily you guys are all doing it all for me, so I can rest easy knowing how my role compares with yours. Hopefully you'll forgive my NOT being forthcoming with information that if made public will ultimately benefit Mafia more than it will benefit town (if it benefits town at all.)

After reading through the thread, the following generalizations can be made regarding this game so far:


1) It's hard to find anyone scumhunting at all. It's happening, but you have to really look close.

2) The spam is ridiculous, and I'm not just talking about the pictures and bullshit. The fact that we're still all wondering if Kurumi is Bill Murray IN THREAD is....well, it's fucking retarded. He either is or isn't, and no one is listening to him, so if you think he's a VI don't vote for him and if you think he's scum then do. He's not harming town aside from the spam he's causing. Jackal is spamming about killing him too. It's all nonsense and it's not helping us find scum.

3) There are still a lot of people not participating. This is troubling. I don't care how you slice it.

4) Role-playing is fun. So is Mafia.

Now, I'm going to task myself with rereading the thread IN ITS ENTIRETY. This is a colossal task, mainly because all the spam is hard to swallow. When I post again, I'm going to give my thoughts on the people I find most likely to be scum. I'd encourage EVERYONE to do the same. Please keep in mind that I'm not asking you to go through the posts of the ONE person you're trying to get lynched. I'm asking you to reread the WHOLE thread, and post about EVERYONE you think is likely to be scum.

D1 is half over. If the town keeps doing this, we're fucking doomed. I wish I could say tonight was going to be a wake-up call...but peoples' powers are not revealed on death...only their personality and alignment. Tonight is only going to make tomorrow more difficult. I hope everyone realizes this. Scum are going to be able to claim whatever the fuck they want. They already have.


On August 15 2011 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kavdragon. After rereading the thread (/wrist) I've determined that he's one of the most obviously anti-town players in the game. This nonsense about 'brown' and his ridiculous fake letters are clearly attempts to confuse town. If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably an alternate faction of some kind - the cult leader hypothesis has merit, but I'm leaning more toward an alternate scum faction. I'm not sure. But he's almost certainly not town, because not only is he ignoring the scum-hunting of others in town, he's also ACTIVELY trying to divert town's attention to his shenanigans.

Kavdragon, I'd like to see you hang today.

##Vote: Kavdragon

On August 15 2011 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On August 15 2011 04:18 Node wrote:
First, hai guys. Busy weekend, family's in town, yadda yadda yadda.

Second, what. The. Fuck. This is beyond bad. There's a reason a lot of people aren't contributing: it's almost impossible to contribute to this mess without making it worse. I propose that everyone simply stops posting so damn much, and tries to consolidate what would normally be 3 posts down to 1, so that there's a lot less fluff for everybody to digest whenever they want to figure something out or make a point.

I kinda-sorta agree with Pandain's actions so far, and I'm really disappointed that he seems to have been shot. I think Kurumi's been detrimental to the town, and I think he knows this. He's done a huge part in establishing the terrible atmosphere we've currently got, and his actions have made it impossible to just ignore the spam he's throwing around. He's gone straight to the chainsaw defense when people call him out, and claimed one of the few roles that would be worth playing risky to keep around. Pandain just made one crucial mistake: even if he's not roleplaying Bill Murray, kurumi is still kurumi. He's still gonna spew nonsensical BS. Personally, I would've rather he just be shot, as it still covers the VI possibility and saves us from any future thread-destroying shenanigans from that particular source.

I also find it hard to buy that the Qatol personality would be mafia-aligned, no matter how much everyone says personality != alignment. And since nobody's counter-claimed him, I'm inclined to believe Pandain is both Qatol and town-aligned.

On August 15 2011 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kavdragon. After rereading the thread (/wrist) I've determined that he's one of the most obviously anti-town players in the game. This nonsense about 'brown' and his ridiculous fake letters are clearly attempts to confuse town. If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably an alternate faction of some kind - the cult leader hypothesis has merit, but I'm leaning more toward an alternate scum faction. I'm not sure. But he's almost certainly not town, because not only is he ignoring the scum-hunting of others in town, he's also ACTIVELY trying to divert town's attention to his shenanigans.

Kavdragon, I'd like to see you hang today.

##Vote: Kavdragon


This is an interesting way to interpret kav's actions. I'm not sure I agree with it, though. You say that he's trying to divert our actions. I ask, what exactly is he trying to divert us from? Considering how aimless this game has been, Kav might be one of the few trying to put us on a worthwhile track. I don't think he's necessarily town, but I'm willing to wait and see in this case.


It looks like a very obvious (and very successful) attempt to keep town from ACTUALLY hunting scum. Yes, I believe his nonsense is related to his role...but it's still nonsense guys. Waldon? Mysterious communications with anonymous players? Intrigue? NONE of it is scumhunting. ALL of it is ridiculous. I think he's trying to divert us from real scumhunting by claiming that he's doing so with...whoever. Node, you're smarter than this and I think the fact that you're entertaining this farce is extremely suspicious.

On August 15 2011 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, fair points guys...I hadn't really thought of it that way. The spammy feeling of his posts had me prejudging him. Aidnai looked more like a distraction than an actual suspect, and his behavior HAS been suspicious, I'll freely admit.

I'm convinced. I'll also vote aidnai.




He promised to read the whole thread and come up with a good lynch to push... but instead he seemed to have just stuck with the same old, already argued by that point, lynch of Kavdragon. This was supposedly the "people" he found most likely to be scum, yes, one person in Kavdragon. You think with that sort of effort, he'd be convinced in Kavdragon right? He even argues ardently for Kav's lynch the next post... but no, two posts later he changes to aidnai. So we have:
1. Faking contribution
2. Wishy-washiness.

He also has some, to take the words of Curu, inherent guilt.
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On August 15 2011 10:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Guys, do what you want. I'm not going to come on here and say 'Nuh uh' about all these people saying my posts are scummy....

On August 17 2011 02:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Of course I'm not playing pro-town, are you reading the thread? I'm lurking like a bastard and have until now been VERY hesitant to share my suspicions with the rest of town. I mean, I've made a couple of pro-town observations, but even those have been mostly empty and contentless. I don't blame ANYONE who thinks I'm scum at this point...but I'm not.



Oh, and he seems to have a clear reluctance at giving out information.

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On August 17 2011 12:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On August 17 2011 11:46 ghrur wrote:
On August 17 2011 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious as to how Node could confirm that I'm Coagulation. Is anyone else curious? I did PM Jackal and Palmar, who said as much when THEY confirmed that I'm Coagulation...but Node just said 'I can confirm it' and voted for me. I never PM'd Node, and I never role-claimed to Node.

##Vote: Node

...until an explanation is received.


How did you PM Jackal and Palmar when no PMs are allowed?


Role.



Only redeeming feature seems to be his "pressure," but even then he backs off quite quickly without causing any commotion.
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ghrur
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August 17 2011 18:20 GMT
#1046
On August 18 2011 02:56 Palmar wrote:
VisceraEyes is not scum goddamnit.


Why not?

On August 18 2011 03:13 tnkted wrote:
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On August 18 2011 02:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am going to tell you all right now, both are bad lynches and a no lynch would be preferable. On that note, I will be voting for someone random right now.


We're not nolynching. I know you have a post restriction, but maybe you could communicate to someone via PMs and have them post your suspicions or whatever.


Actually, that goes for everyone with posting restrictions. PM your shit to sandroba and let him post it if you have something important to town but can't post due to role.


Since nobody has responded to my question, I'm gonna just #vote pandain


I thought sandroba was RBed so can't PM.
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ghrur
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August 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#1121
On August 18 2011 11:51 kitaman27 wrote:
Oh right, I should probably vote shouldn't I. Going with LSB because he is a jerk.

Also, anyone notice Opz randomly has a vote?


NO! Secure the lynch on Bum first.

And palmar, why isn't VE scum? I'd like to hear.
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August 18 2011 03:01 GMT
#1123
Oh Curu, that makes me remember, tnkted said our town atmosphere was lively too. :D What scum.
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August 18 2011 04:10 GMT
#1138
RoL and LSB would both make great vig shots.
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August 19 2011 00:15 GMT
#1213
On August 19 2011 09:05 Kenpachi wrote:
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On August 19 2011 08:14 youngminii wrote:
Also, I might have just missed this information (probably) but I can't seem to find it:

Why does RedFF have 2 votes?
Why was RedFF constantly campaigning for mayor but not anymore? Was Foolishness his only opposition regarding being the mayor?
What does the mayor get to do?

hey dont respond but if you are kenpachi, why the hell are you asking so many questions!? out of character imo imo


Are you trying to quell discussion?
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ghrur
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August 19 2011 00:39 GMT
#1222
On August 19 2011 09:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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On August 19 2011 09:30 youngminii wrote:
You know what's funny about your list is that if you look on page 6 (before the game even started) you'd have known who I was.

Anyway, I was just wondering if the mayor stuff had anything to do with him getting an extra vote, but I guess not.



........it does completely -_-


So BC, who do you believe is scum?
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August 19 2011 01:17 GMT
#1243
On August 19 2011 10:16 Curu wrote:
BloodyC0bbler -> Mafia


Couldn't agree more right now.
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August 19 2011 02:32 GMT
#1250
On August 19 2011 10:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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On August 19 2011 10:17 ghrur wrote:
On August 19 2011 10:16 Curu wrote:
BloodyC0bbler -> Mafia


Couldn't agree more right now.


lawl, shame your horribly wrong. Also, stop asking me questions, you will never get answers that way.


Also known as, "I keep all information about my scumbuddies to myself."
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August 19 2011 21:02 GMT
#1419
Tnkted, what changed your view from me being "just a stupid townie" to being "scum" considering I basically proved my vigi claim with a night 1 hit?

BC, state your cases on your scum reads, please.
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ghrur
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August 20 2011 20:26 GMT
#1468
+ Show Spoiler [tnkted's analysis of me[/spoiler] +
On August 20 2011 23:54 tnkted wrote:
Ok I usually start these posts by assuming that my target is mafia; then I go through their posts and read them all for content related to that. This isn't a very good approach for everyone because it means that a analyst who isn't being very careful can find things that aren't scummy and call them scummy (leading to a bad analysis) but I've been doing it long enough that I think I can do it without prejudice.

Ghrur Analysis

Fact 1: Ghrur has been buddying WHILE he accuses me of buddying. Nobody has bothered accusing him of buddying.

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On August 18 2011 12:01 ghrur wrote:
Oh Curu, that makes me remember, tnkted said our town atmosphere was lively too. :D What scum.



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On August 19 2011 10:17 ghrur wrote:
On August 19 2011 10:16 Curu wrote:
BloodyC0bbler -> Mafia


Couldn't agree more right now.


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On August 18 2011 02:45 ghrur wrote:
On August 18 2011 02:26 Curu wrote:
On August 18 2011 02:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am going to tell you all right now, both are bad lynches and a no lynch would be preferable. On that note, I will be voting for someone random right now.


So you somehow know the results of every lynch (today and yesterday), while contributing nothing to suggest a better target or anything?

Can we lynch RoL instead?


Yeah RoL, where did you're

On August 16 2011 13:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
On August 16 2011 13:09 ghrur wrote:
My statement wasn't "guilt." It was a "whatever."
Btw, I vigied Kurumi so we wouldn't have a spamfest anymore.

I fucking love you. I can now start actually contributing. I am heading to sleep, but I will catch up tomorrow and apply rape where necessary.


"actually contributing" go?



Fact 2: D1, Rather than shoot somebody he thought was mafia (me) he decided to shoot a nearly confirmed townie. Then he claimed that he did it because Kurumi was spamming.



And thats......... basically all I could find that was scummy in his behavior. Conclusion: Ghrur is town. Sorry for doubting you, buddy.

Overall Ghrur's play seems to be extremely aggressive; he's an analytic redFF1. However, much of his reasoning is faulty; he's spending time thinking about his lynches but doesn't ever find conclusive evidence. Instead, he's applying pressure and hoping his target slips up during his defence. It's an interesting strategy, one that I've seen DrH pull off a few times. DrH tends to get lynched though, so we should probably avoid lynching ghrur even if his behavior feels scummy.

Some advice: Your style of posting is very obnoxious to be accused with, which is good because it encourages people to post and respond, but it also builds up a bad atmosphere for town. What happens when you accuse somebody who is town, tunnel them for days, and then get them lynched? You've wasted days of tunnelling that could have been spent on scum if you'd only mentally put that person back into the 'ok, that was a legit defense'. That's a tough mental maneuver to do; part of being good at it is understanding when somebody has a legit defence. Generally you're looking for defensiveness, topic changing, buddying, and sometimes, bandwagoning. Also look for wishy washy defenses that rely on you giving them benefit of the doubt.

Now I have a big ol- pounding headache (anyone else from the st. paul area? you know the wild onion? Yeah) and I'm going to go shower and play some mindless video game for a few hours (cortex command anyone? :D). I don't want to think right now. Later, when I'm feeling less hungover, I want to post an analysis of youngmini and one of curu (who, btw i think is town, but it's good to check these things).


That was a REALLY poor post. Why do you post generalities this late into the game? It does nothing. The time to give advice is long gone. Really, it seems like you're just trying to seem active and "helpful" now while posting fluffy "analysis" filled with... nothing. That said, I don't think you're really scum anymore.

Btw, note, while we got lucky with Curu's night action, we shouldn't rely on his role at all. In fact, for all we know, Curu could still be mafia busing a teammate. While unlikely, it could be possible. Instead, we should rely on analysis. We lynched Bum day 2 not because of lucky night actions, but because of good scum hunting. Let's keep it up.

Now, here's my next target as scum. Node. Here's why.

+ Show Spoiler +

First off, Node has been lurking like a bitch. If you read Palmar's first analysis where he suspects Aidnai, Kurumi, and Scamp, you notice 2 things. One, he calls Aidnai out on active lurking. Two, he has a list of lurkers
Youngminii, OpZ, Flamewheel, DoctorHelvetica, Kenpachi, Misder, Chezinu, Fishball, BloodyC0bbler.
Notice how Node is missing despite him being a huge lurker! This seems to be intentional dodging by mafia so that they don't bring suspicion onto their teammates.

To further this idea, notice how Palmar quotes Jackal talking about Node, among others, yet never even comments/mentions him. Bum, the other scum, never even MENTIONED Node whatsoever.

Now, onto Node himself. Notice how wishy-washy he is:
On August 15 2011 04:18 Node wrote:I kinda-sorta agree with Pandain's actions so far, and I'm really disappointed that he seems to have been shot.

On August 15 2011 09:56 Node wrote:I'm not sure about aidnai being scum.

On August 15 2011 09:56 Node wrote:I'm really really iffy about VisceraEyes.

On August 17 2011 10:51 Node wrote:I'm undecided on bum, but I can't in good conscience allow Pandain to continue... whatever it is he's doing.


Also note how he has yet to actually vote for a single scum. Day 2, he didn't vote Bum, he voted VisceraEyes and then Pandain, both of which can be seen as trying to redirect onto someone else or just trying to get a no-lynch. This is markedly different from his day one attitude when he said

So for now, I'm sticking my vote on VisceraEyes, but if it comes down to it I'll vote aidnai because I'd like to see a lynch happen today.
What would make him change his philosophy so quickly? Simple, his scum buddy is on the line. Day 1, a lynch either way is good for him because he'd be lynching town. Day 2, a no lynch is better for him because, well, mafia gets a freaking no lynch!

On August 16 2011 05:15 Node wrote:
Ghrur, I was actually coming to similar conclusions on tnkted. I'm liking the way you think.

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Do you even understand what and how town atmosphere works? Spamming doesn't generate a hostile town atmosphere in and of itself; all it does is make it more difficult for people to read the thread.


/facepalm

This is also during day 2, and it seems to me that he's trying to get ANOTHER different bandwagon going off my analysis with little contribution of his own. This would make sense for scum to do, that is, try and get 3 bandwagons going so that they can have a no lynch. Here, Node is suggesting VE, Pandain, and tnkted. But guess what, he never even votes for tnkted because it's just a soft push. Because he doesn't to actually commit that early in the day.


On August 17 2011 05:11 Node wrote:
I can confirm that VisceraEyes is Coagulation, and I also feel he's suspicious as hell. That's where I'll put my vote for now. Plus, if Curu's role / restriction is what I think it is... lol.

Also, just for the record (but mostly for LSB), I am not scum.

Now this is the most suspicious part. How does he confirm that VE is Coag? Why, because Palmar's been PMing VE, and Node has been in contact with Palmar of course! And guess what? When VE called him out on it, Node tried to deny all connections by saying

On August 17 2011 10:51 Node wrote:
I like how VE is trying to spin me knowing the name of his character into me being scum. How'd you come up with that one? No, my knowledge is independent. (no, that doesn't mean third party)


Well, of course scum would say that because should he get lynched, he wouldn't be implicating his scum friends. He would force VE to choose between the three. He knows, though, he got caught so he quickly posts this

On August 17 2011 12:28 Node wrote:
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On August 17 2011 12:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 17 2011 11:46 ghrur wrote:
On August 17 2011 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious as to how Node could confirm that I'm Coagulation. Is anyone else curious? I did PM Jackal and Palmar, who said as much when THEY confirmed that I'm Coagulation...but Node just said 'I can confirm it' and voted for me. I never PM'd Node, and I never role-claimed to Node.

##Vote: Node

...until an explanation is received.


How did you PM Jackal and Palmar when no PMs are allowed?


Role.


Bullshit.


To try and bring suspicion onto VE. Then he leaves and doesn't talk for about three days so the pressure from VE will be gone. His first post is only AFTER Curu came out and called Palmar scum. This way he can sneak in some posts while town is supposedly complacent and the suspicion is off of himself.

Oh, and one more thing, Node hasn't done anything this game. No analysis behind his "suspects." No pressure at all. Look how quickly he backs off.
On August 17 2011 10:51 Node wrote:
Still, after some thought I'm willing to let VE slide for the chance to lynch Pandain. He's nullified the (quite powerful) abilities of two players he thought were town with flimsy reasoning. His power in and of itself is actually pretty scummy (roleblocking is a town role since when?), and as much as I dislike the thought of Qatol being mafia, I have to accept that if BM of all people was town Qatol could be mafia. I'm undecided on bum, but I can't in good conscience allow Pandain to continue... whatever it is he's doing.


No, all Node's been doing is lurking and avoiding.


Node is scum. Vigi him or lynch him tomorrow. Do it.
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August 21 2011 02:16 GMT
#1484
Someone Vigi Node please. <3
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August 21 2011 04:17 GMT
#1492
On August 21 2011 13:05 redFF wrote:
Palmar wanted pandain vigged but then he wasnt and palmar never mentioned it again. Palmar was also tunneling scamp.

pandain=mafia
scamp=town

vote me for mayor for this remarkable scumhunting amazingness


Oooo, I agree with you.
Pandain even defended Bum, and Palmar voted Pandain, but quickly switched off him and then defended Pandain.

##Vote redFF for mayor
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ghrur
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August 21 2011 23:27 GMT
#1512
Why would you think that ending the day early would be beneficial to town? Day is the time of greatest discussion. It's always better to discuss a lynch to death than not discuss it enough. Your plan just gives mafia a faster night.
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ghrur
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August 22 2011 02:12 GMT
#1526
On August 22 2011 10:53 Curu wrote:
I strongly feel tnkted scum. There is no reason for a Townie to have that power, there is no reason for a Townie to think about using that power. He has been utterly useless while trying to appear to be useful. He has had no opinion on Scamp or Node, and yet wants to use his power to get one of them lynched.

Mafia must have had a mechanic to locate the Traitor. The two people with known PM mechanics are VE and sandroba. Of the two, I would much rather kill VE.


But then again, it wouldn't make sense for Mafia to NOT use it and just confuse the crap out of town. It doesn't make sense for tnkted to come out and say he has it.
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ghrur
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August 22 2011 02:14 GMT
#1527
And nobody has yet answered how Node could CONFIRM VE's claims. Doesn't that strike anybody as suspicious?
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ghrur
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August 22 2011 02:30 GMT
#1532
On August 22 2011 11:24 Curu wrote:
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On August 22 2011 11:12 ghrur wrote:
On August 22 2011 10:53 Curu wrote:
I strongly feel tnkted scum. There is no reason for a Townie to have that power, there is no reason for a Townie to think about using that power. He has been utterly useless while trying to appear to be useful. He has had no opinion on Scamp or Node, and yet wants to use his power to get one of them lynched.

Mafia must have had a mechanic to locate the Traitor. The two people with known PM mechanics are VE and sandroba. Of the two, I would much rather kill VE.


But then again, it wouldn't make sense for Mafia to NOT use it and just confuse the crap out of town. It doesn't make sense for tnkted to come out and say he has it.


It isn't as much on that as his whole post history is useless junk in trying to appear active and contributing.

He has TWO walls of text where he "analyzes" you and says you're Town..then he wants to go post another wall of text on youngminii (...) and me (.........................), two people who are not even close to being lynch candidates.


Yeah, but past Day 1, I can't see what he's pushing to try and manipulate the town.
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ghrur
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August 22 2011 03:28 GMT
#1552
Okay, so can we assume Jackal is Hatter and bombed Syllo and VE? And red, why are you convinced sandroba is scum?
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August 22 2011 03:30 GMT
#1556
Oh, well, great.
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August 22 2011 03:31 GMT
#1557
red... do you have tnkted's power?
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August 22 2011 03:33 GMT
#1560
On August 22 2011 12:33 Curu wrote:
This game is ridiculous. We've had 1 Townie mislynch and Town's still going to lose.

I was probably blocked, got no results.


Well, this is our second mislynch... T___T
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August 22 2011 03:36 GMT
#1561
Wow, we've lost unless we get a med protect. This is ridiculous.
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August 22 2011 03:45 GMT
#1565
Sigh, I suck. I shouldn't have claimed my full role. I should've just claimed vig. Omg I'm a dumbass. T_T
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August 22 2011 03:54 GMT
#1568
So... Incog, can you just end the game tonight?
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August 22 2011 04:20 GMT
#1578
On August 22 2011 12:58 Qatol wrote:
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On August 22 2011 12:54 ghrur wrote:
So... Incog, can you just end the game tonight?

The game isn't over. The town can still win.


My bad. I miscounted the mafia. Thanks Wiggles for clearing that up.
Okay, guys, we won't know who's going to get hit tonight. I say it's best to post our suspicions now and make sure we don't die without leaving some analysis for people to ponder over.

I'm with Curu that Flamewheel is almost assured scum. No one accounted for the missing KP that he seems to have "took."

Node seems like assured scum to me because of my previous post.

Pandain is most likely scum because he defended Bum, has been inactive, and could very well be the role thief. However, as Wiggles pointed out, redFF seemed to have been gloating earlier. I think one of the two is definitely scum.

Kitaman seems like another person who's done nothing all game yet acts like he's contributing.

Scamp seems like scum to me. Wishy-washy, defended Bum, always asking for another day.

The problem is FW, Barundar, Misder, Kenpachi, Node, and Scamp all seem so inactive.
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ghrur
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August 22 2011 04:59 GMT
#1582
On August 22 2011 13:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
FW/Pandain/Node/RedFF

That's my list for the last four scum. Maybe replace Node with Kenpachi, but they've both been lurking so hard, it's tough to tell. =/


Node is definitely scummier than Kenpachi.
Realizing that tnkted is town, notice how Node tried to egg me on to try and argue against tnkted without making his own case or putting down a vote.

Aside from that one incident, he's only suspected VE and Pandain and consistently sticks to them to give out as little info as possible. Aside from that, he hasn't done shit.

Given that Node is scum, it's much more likely Pandain isn't scum and redFF is than otherwise. I highly doubt Pandain and redFF are both scum. Reading over it, I feel like redFF's meta doesn't fit, he hasn't scum hunted, Pandain has *or seemed to try,* and is more likely town than redFF. With that, my scum list comes out something like:
Flamewheel
Node
redFF
Scamp.
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ghrur
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August 22 2011 05:05 GMT
#1584
On August 22 2011 14:00 redFF wrote:
yeah wiggles is scum. it wasnt gloating syllogism had been defending sandroba like crazy and multiple people had said either sandroba or VE were scum and ve flipped town and syllo flipped scum so lynchw as obvious imho.


Other people said, multiple people said, take some responsibility scum.

And I don't think Wiggles is scum.
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August 22 2011 15:04 GMT
#1593
On August 22 2011 14:09 redFF wrote:
write an analysis then maybe ill listen to fos's on me

vote me for mayor obv


How about YOU write an analysis considering nothing has come out of you this whole game? Where was the red that pressured me in XLIII? Where was the red that analyzed his scum-reads in XLIII?
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August 22 2011 15:13 GMT
#1596
On August 23 2011 00:11 Pandain wrote:
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On August 23 2011 00:06 kitaman27 wrote:
Just a reminder, make sure to submit your self-analysis based upon the day four lynch.


This is my self analysis.
Night powers Activate
##ban Youngminii.


Time to perm that mother fadoodler.


...
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ghrur
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August 22 2011 16:51 GMT
#1603
Wow... that wasn't even the Day post... gg!
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August 22 2011 16:55 GMT
#1605
On August 23 2011 01:54 Barundar wrote:
Worst vigi ever.


Who? Me?
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August 22 2011 16:57 GMT
#1607
On August 23 2011 01:56 Barundar wrote:
No me .


Who did you Vigi...?
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August 22 2011 16:59 GMT
#1609
On August 23 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote:
redFF. He lied about marines apparently.


Sigh, oh wells. GG
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ghrur
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August 22 2011 17:28 GMT
#1613
On August 23 2011 02:10 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ugh, what the hell just happened?

This makes it 7-4 right now, which means that after NKs (if they all go through), we'll be at 5-4 or maybe 5-3 (Vig's, please shoot the crap out of Pandain), placing us at LYLO. We can still win, but it's going to be very hard.

Don't give up until it's over.


Idk if there are any more vigis. I'm just thinking if it's no more powers, it's gonna be 5-4, then 5-3, then 3-3. :/
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ghrur
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August 22 2011 23:09 GMT
#1621
On August 23 2011 07:54 Misder wrote:
10 ppl, 6 town, 4 scum correct? (as in, different # from what Wiggles said)

Is it day?


11 ppl, 7 town, 4 scum.
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United States3786 Posts
August 23 2011 03:47 GMT
#1638
Bum... was a townie? WOW. I suck at this game.
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August 23 2011 03:57 GMT
#1642
This game mindfucked me so hard.
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August 23 2011 04:59 GMT
#1654
I had such an easy PR, lol. Like, no one ever claimed DT except maybe Curu? Idk if that counts? And he only posted his finds once, and then Palmar claimed Mafia... so disputing it wouldn't do anything anyway.

I still played like an idiot. >_< I don't regret my shot on Kurumi though. I just regret that I can't scum hunt for shit. T_____T
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ghrur
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August 24 2011 03:30 GMT
#1710
On August 24 2011 11:45 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 10:33 Qatol wrote:
On August 24 2011 10:00 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 24 2011 09:50 Qatol wrote:
On August 24 2011 09:34 Mig wrote:
Qatol I don't think you guys took into account how badly PRs damage the town and how much they help the mafia when really balancing. Like YM can't accuse anyone who hasn't accused him. How is he supposed to do any analysis? Sandroba can only post 5 times a cycle. So one of the best town players is nearly removed from the game. How is the town supposed to be able to get any read on things like that? Especially day 1. So much time has to be devoted into personality hunting and PR hunting just to have any clue about whats going on instead of actually looking for scum.

Sandroba had unlimited PM abilities. Get your read on him via PM. Plus he could have used someone as a mouth. I agree that YM's restriction was harsh, but that still doesn't excuse the town for ignoring the scum in front of their faces.

Having a townie flip red didn't help. That destroyed our confidence in who was scum. Sandroba being roleblocked neutered him.
And c'mon a vig that has to lynch townies to get a bullet? Or a suicide bomber that can only hit 1 person that is also a townie.

Things never should have gotten that far to begin with. You relied too much upon your reads relating to bum. Sandroba never should have roleclaimed the way he did. He was just begging to get roleblocked. And even if he does, he's 1 townie. It just means someone else has to step up. It means all of you have to do the work and not just rely upon a small core of people + the investigative roles. If the mafia want to commit to roleblocking Sandroba, that means they cannot roleblock anyone else with that ability. That is an opportunity for the town.

Think of your role as a mitigation role just in case the town is wrong on one of a few players. Your role had the most potential KP out of any town role. It's supposed to keep the town in the game if they happen to bandwagon some players incorrectly.

After Kurumi flipped town when he was vigi'd (Still don't know why that happened) I figured the rest on my list were also town. If any of them came up as a serious lynch candidate I would have tried to prevent it. Was never an issue. They were all scum kills. When i suicided on Sandroba I was hoping for the best case scenario. Role blocker plus a hitman. I only got a role blocker. Turned it into a 2 for 1. 2nd best case was Sandroba was scum it it was a 1 for 1. Ya I got the 2 townies for 1 scum scenario. Was still better than my worse case scenario of 2 townies and no scum


I vigi'd Kurumi because I thought he was more detrimental towards town than, well, anyone else. Kita, Pandain, and tnkted were my other targets for the night, but neither kita nor tnkted claimed, and I was unsure of Pandain. And by the time I had read through the thread, I was so fed up with the Kurumi+Jackal spam, I just wanted Kurumi dead.
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