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On August 07 2011 14:48 tnkted wrote: cool. What are roles? EDIT: Also, extended majority lynch rules look weird, I'm not certain i understand how they work yet. The deadline is 48 hours like normal, the only difference is people will only be lynched at the deadline if the leading candidate has a majority of the votes (over half). | ||
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When does the game begin? | ||
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On August 13 2011 15:36 youngminii wrote: Reporting in. I am a townie. haha I can guess who YM is already | ||
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On August 13 2011 18:16 syllogism wrote: Don't breadcrumb/hint your personality for no reason as it's quite probable some of the roles can be figured out purely based on the name I am required to role play with some of my posts. Even if I wasn't I still would though. What fun is personality mafia if people don't role play. | ||
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2nd Jackal being required to push for bill murray's lynch is very fishy. It is unlikely they put a requirement forcing 2 townies to tunnel each other. When I have seen these type of posting restrictions in the past it is much more common for it to be forcing a mafia to target a specific townie. This doesn't prove jackal is mafia but he is certainly the most suspicious person to me right now. I could be wrong though, I am not the best mafia player  | ||
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On August 14 2011 10:47 kitaman27 wrote: Err did anyone notice this in the OP? It says there are 33 players, yet only 32 are listed on the player list. Is this just a mistake or is there a hidden player somewhere o.O I assume the missing player is barbapoppa. On August 13 2011 16:17 Incognito wrote: BarBaPoPPa is a smurf account and cannot be targetted by any actions. His vote does not count in the actual vote tally. | ||
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On August 14 2011 10:54 youngminii wrote: This is also why I questioned Kenpachi's claim. Why did he claim Detective when everyone is technically green? I've never even seen him claim a blue role, I'm so confused. I assumed this was because of ken's personality. But so if all the townies do have town colored names why are jackal/meapak confused? Jackal claims he initially thought he was some weird 3rd party, if his name was colored I don't really see how you could make that assumption. | ||
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Now I may not be a great mafia player but even I can see that scamp's reasoning behind shooting pandain was hella shady. Pandain had only 3 votes on him at the time you try and use the reasoning that he is definitely going to be lynched so he needs to die so we don't discuss him. There was absolutely no way you could say pandain was going to be auto lynched. So you shot someone you thought was a townie for a horrible horrible reason. Then you proceed to disappear lol. Combined with that your previous 3 posts are completely fluff and contribute nothing. | ||
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Right now if pandain flips town I would most likely vote to lynch scamp. Besides scamp I think Bum would be a great lynch. Look at his posts and compare them to DrH's mini game which just ran. Bum is active enough to toss in a comment here and there yet he hasn't actually given his opinion on anything. Or done anything remotely related to scum hunting. So far he seems to be playing 100% bum scum style. Besides bum aidnai is also extremely suspect. His timing for his response to kav's post is very fishy. He doesn't post the entire day then shows up 30 min after kav's post to freak out and go nuts defending himself. So obviously he was caught up on the thread, yet he hadn't found anything worth commenting on before then? Along with that he then omgus votes kav and disappears again completely from the thread. Regarding Kav, the trap he set up appears genuine, along with that look at his arguments against aidnai, they are good and he offered to trade himself 1-1 if we lynch aidnai. All of those things are much more townie than mafia. He has spammed a lot in the thread but it may just his attempts to role play as chez. If he were really mafia I doubt he would have done so much of it and put such a big target on his back. I maybe dumb as a rock when it comes to scum hunting but Scamp/bum/aidnai are our best targets right now. | ||
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On August 15 2011 05:51 Palmar wrote: a) I played a game where Jackal and I were lovers. One of us was scum. Can you clarify how this thing between you guys works? b) do you have a post restriction forcing you to repeat you being bad at this game? Other than that, we really need that flip, because if pandain is town I'm voting for you. A) My pm said I was lovers with pandain and I could pm with him that is all. B) if I did I couldn't tell you and what difference does it make? Do you really think I am scummier than aidnai/bum/scamp? Actually look at their posts. | ||
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On August 15 2011 05:55 Kurumi wrote: so You want to tell me Pandain is both Qatol and someone else? bullshit Huh I didn't say pandain was anyone other than Qatol. | ||
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On August 15 2011 05:58 Kurumi wrote: oh, so You get to know that You can pm someone from the very start and Pandain said this instead of You? yeah right lol What are you even talking about here is what was in my role pm. You are also lovers with Pandain (Qatol) and have PM rights with him | ||
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On August 15 2011 07:03 Scamp wrote: Well, that wasn't the right command to kill someone. Must thank god for ideas, bluffing for the lulz was actually pretty fun. I wasn't about to wade through all the shit when I could fake a single event and get at you. I like Kurumi's defense for me here. There's a large difference between pushing mafia objectives and being inactive, and I haven't done the former. Or, to repeat Kurumi, "no u". So wait you faked a day vig shot of pandain with like 12 hours left in the day. You then disappeared without telling anyone it was fake until 5 hours before the lynch. All this to accomplish what exactly? If you weren't pushing mafia objectives before your recent actions aren't exactly helping the town. | ||
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On August 15 2011 07:16 Scamp wrote: You don't think we have a better picture on Pandain than what people were arguing about before? You also don't think that just maybe I had to do something like that for some kind of reason? And it was more like 24 hours left in the day. 5 hours left is accurate, I didn't plan on sleeping after getting food. ........The posting restrictions are so annoying this game. People can do anything retarded then claim PR. Regardless your posting has been completely useless day1. Who do you plan on voting for? I am voting for aidnai for the reasons I gave before. | ||
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On August 15 2011 08:47 Jackal58 wrote: I don't think scum would get a mason role. Didn't you just have a mason role as scum in ptp2? Why couldn't scum be mason's? | ||
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On August 15 2011 14:02 Foolishness wrote: Can we get more details on what it means to be linked? (Talking to Pandain/Mig here) I already quoted what was in my role pm. All I got was the statement that I was lovers with pandain and could pm with him. | ||
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On August 15 2011 16:48 Foolishness wrote: Okay. So you became lovers as soon as the day started (I was under the impression it happened mid day)? Why did Pandain suddenly reveal this information to the town? No happened from the beginning. He revealed it because he assumed he was going to die from the scamp shot and he could confirm me as town, since I had role claimed to him at the start of the game . | ||
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BC/FW are very suspicious. Neither have contributed a single thing and both are viewed as good players. If they were town there is a good chance mafia shoots them night 1 since they know they likely won't have med protection, I assume this is why chez was shot. So the question is why was chez shot and neither of those 2. BC especially since he was around during the kav lynch. When I asked his opinion on Kav/aidnai he completely ignored me. He contributed nothing yesterday and he has said himself that his scum play is extremely different from his town play. So go and compare his activity level this game to his town play in PTP1 and PTP2. He was about 50x as active in those games as town. | ||
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On August 16 2011 13:46 LSB wrote: Apparently I missed Kitaman27 and hit someone else, wtf Who did you hit, do you know? | ||
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LSB/kita really need some clarity on what happened between you 2. LSB you are a vig and you shot kita for sure? | ||
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On August 16 2011 13:58 bumatlarge wrote: Nevermind, the more I try to figure things out via personalities the more confused I get. Jackal is L. Bum who do you think is scum? You have about 10 one line posts this game and you haven't given your opinion on practically anyone. | ||
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On August 16 2011 14:40 bumatlarge wrote: Kavdragon is scum, because he is chezinu. No need to think about it though. I have to do this though, because Kav is so selfish, kill your own brother to get special powers? That screams scum. I'll handle this. ##Nuke Kavdragon Is this serious? | ||
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Bum can you say if the nuke is real? Regardless of whether it is real you look extremely scummy to me. | ||
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So unless your nuke is real and kav flips red I am voting for you. ##vote: bumatlarge | ||
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And yes plenty of people aren't playing their normal town games and if they are playing worse than normal that makes them a good candidate to be lynched. Saying well other people have been sucking as well doesn't defend your play, which is several steps below what is normal for you. | ||
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On August 17 2011 04:25 bumatlarge wrote: Oh balls, I was feeling really god about that too. But it had to be done. Or maybe I had to nuke the actual chezinu. Oh dear. Well now I can actually help. On August 17 2011 05:00 bumatlarge wrote: It didn't force me to do anything, I am a free man! Didn't you watch the video? I just couldn't tell you about it, and I thought kav was talking out of his ass with the aidnai thing. It isn't a 1 for 1 trade unless you follow through with it! Plus he was chezinu so it would have made it awesome if I was right. IT FELT SO RIGHT. Implying that he was forced to kill kav but then backtracking immediately a page later. His reasons for shooting kav are complete bs and most of the town had already agreed kav was likely not scum. Also you can see bum is obviously just trolling now, he was not trolling at all yesterday but once he was targeted for the lynch he began.If you look at ptp1 where once he was outed as non town joker he just began trolling constantly. It is very similar here. | ||
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Also stop posting I am town, we don't need every person spamming the thread pointlessly. LSB can just ask whomever he wants to shoot to say it. And we don't even know if that is how his power works. | ||
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I am having some doubts about the bum lynch. I am still trying to wrap my head around how he could have played this horribly as town. Day 1 he contributes nothing, Day 2 he shoots someone the entire town thought was probably not scum and his reasoning for shooting Kav by quoting incog nuking chez before so so scummy. But his defense seems so unlike him for scum. I normally always kill people who use the lay down and die defense but it seems so unlike bum's normal defense as scum. He is more likely to fight to the bitter end than just lay down. Along with that mafia cannot possibly have many kp roles. They started with 7mafia and 3kp they can't have been given very much more kp. I am also not sure I am feeling the LSB lynch. LSB posted the ace picture right before the day post, and has claimed he shot kita and it failed. If he were mafia why claim ace before the flip at all? He would know that kita was going to flip town. I don't see any motivation for him to claim right then. I would actually like to lynch someone like node/BC who has been completely useless. But meh not sure there is enough time to switch the lynch. Also blah blah blah bad at mafia, annoying. | ||
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Compare node's posts this game and node's posts from ptp1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186&user=53526¤tpage=2. There is a huge difference. He posted at one point saying how sad he was that pandain was shot and he agreed with his ban of kurumi then later votes for pandain with the reasoning being that he banned the powers of 2 strong townies. Uh lol. His very first post as well he makes an excuse for not contributing because of the spam. Then look at BC's posts he refuses to give his opinions on anything actually happening in the game. I have asked him to post some reads twice in the game and both times he has ignored me. Instead he makes worthless 1 line comments where he basically just calls out peoples roles. | ||
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Btw has anyone considered someone besides bum killed Kav. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145¤tpage=44#863 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145¤tpage=50#994 The 2nd post incog shows the nuke launching so obviously it didn't kill kav in the first post. So I would guess there is another day vig out there that shot for kav for some terrible reason. | ||
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Does anyone want to claim the Kav kill? I can't really see any reason mafia would ever shoot kav secretly when there were tons of better targets for them. | ||
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Anyway suspicious people list Jackal - Had a pr requiring him to tunnel and lynch a townie, this is much more likely to be a mafia trait. Along with that 90% of his posts are one liners and he tried to convince people to lynch LSB instead of bum. Node - Has been completely useless, compare his posts this game to PTP2. Day 1 he states how sad he is that pandain died and that his decision to use his power on kurumi was correct. Day 2 he votes for pandain because he used his power on kurumi/bum lol. BC - completely useless both days. Provides absolutely no analysis while ignoring my questions when I ask him for his reads on the game. Refuses to comment on anything actually happening in the game. Node/BC would both be very very good vigi shots. | ||
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Wiggles why should we look at BC? | ||
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On August 18 2011 13:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: We should look at BC, because he is playing very similarly to how he's played every time I've played scum with him. He acts very disinterestedly and passively, and tries to slip by lurking, until town finally notices around day 3/4. I'm bringing him up, because he's been pressured to talk several times in thread, but hasn't actually contributed anything yet, nor has he given his reads. I don't want him to just slip by, when a DT should probably check him, if not even having a vig shoot him. I agree very much so. BC is being purposefully useless this game. Avoiding every chance to actually comment or contribute to the town this game. | ||
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Town definitely played insanely horrible. But I think overall the game was mafia favored. The posting restrictions hurt town a ton and helped mafia. The mafia roles are all godly, the mafia basically has the absolute perfect role setup where as half the town roles are trash. Like tnktd's role is virtually useless for town. Along with that 7 mafia + traitor and 3kp+ the bomb kp + syllos suicide kp is just way way too much kp for mafia. No flips on the roles hinders town as well. No excuses though town clearly made a huge amount of mistakes and could have done much much more to win, myself included. Thanks for hosting. | ||
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The PRs made it very difficult to tell between townies playing their roles and mafia trolling. I am sure if the town was really dedicated they could have found ways around it but it definitely made it much tougher. | ||
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