Personality Mafia!

On August 12 2011 05:47 Incognito wrote:
Roles won't really come out. A list of potential roles in the game will be posted, but all role descriptions are private.

On August 13 2011 18:53 BarBaPoPPa wrote:
Howdy town! I'm your loveable tree-stump.

On August 13 2011 19:31 deconduo wrote:
/confirm

Right, we got us here an interesting situation with the majority lynch rules. Unless we have a shortlist of targets by say 24 hours into the day, its going to be pretty fucking difficult to get anyone lynched.

People not voting for one of the top three candidates at the end of the day should considered scummy as fuck, especially if we don't reach a majority. We can't have anyone throwing away a vote cos of tunnelling/stupidity/OMGUS. Each vote is vital.

On August 13 2011 20:33 Jackal58 wrote:
Kurumi needs to be lynched now. Not later not tomorrow but now. Not even waiting til the end of day is good enough.
Policy lynch Kurumi day 1.

On August 13 2011 21:12 Palmar wrote:
hey

deconduo makes sense, so he's probably scum.

On August 13 2011 23:05 Kavdragon wrote:
HI GUYS!

First of all, this thread is boring. Here, let me spruce it up a bit.

Now. Start talking to me people, I love talking.

On August 13 2011 23:27 Jackal58 wrote:
Bill Murray must die.

On August 13 2011 23:44 Jackal58 wrote:

You are. Now die.

On August 13 2011 23:57 Kavdragon wrote:
This...This war we wage, No matter what we do, it only springs up in cities or towns anew. It ravages the weak, and buries the poor, so why continue with this any more?

Why do we feed the hungry beast that is the hatred between mafia, and town?
Brothers, do you not realize that red mixed with green is brown?

But alas my fate is sealed, I have seen it from afar. I'll get the rake, while sitting in a bar. But moarn not for me my friends, for this fact had freed my hands!

No more hiding, no more slouching, no more shall I cowar in the fear that would take the heart of those brave souls who stand with me, united in color, united in vision, united in hearts and minds we will stand STRONG against the coming battle, ready to throw down our arms at a moments notice, so that we can pick up our arms and be ready to grab random objects indiscriminantly from our wallets and throw then at the glorious leader of this revolution! So come one, come all, join the ranks of the few and the proud, so that we may be the many and the mostly proud! Join before the hidious thing that is war topples your proud leader, so that you may follow a man, and not a martyr. For to follow a martyr is easy, for he quickly becomes legend, but to follow a man is to show your trust in his absolute reign. Never fear what evils may befall me, I'LL BE BACK. As a zombie I will direct you onward towards our glorious goal!

Hmm. It seems I'll have to revise that statement. The rules seem to indicate that dead men tell not tales, and zombies unfortunatly fall through a loophole designed for megalomaniac tax dogers, and are thus considered "dead", dispite the fact that they are clearly "undead". I'll be taking this to court of course, but until then, press on my friends! Press on!

On August 14 2011 00:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Since Kurumi is intent on spamming the thread with nonsense about Pokemon, I'm with Jackal on policy-lynching Kurumi barring something crazy scummy from someone else.

PEdit

Kav wtf?

On August 14 2011 00:04 sandroba wrote:

Okay people. First let's try to keep the posts regarding personality flavor to a bare minimum. This only helps mafia to hide, so don't go out of your way role playing. I know some people might have some posting restrictions, but know that posting any more fluf than you absolutely have to is anti-town behaviour and you WILL be held accountable for it.

Now I want this question answered by everybody:
Let's look at kurumi and his Bill Murray claim. Being BM, he could easily be VI trying to get lynched day1. He could also have a terrible posting restriction. Or he could be mafia trying to cause chaos. But we can't know for sure, so what I ask you is this: Do you think personalities point to aligment this game? Or do you think they only point towards role/posting style?

My guess would be that some personalities would have a very high chance of being a certain aligment (i.e. ace is prob scum), but others not so much.

On August 14 2011 00:08 kitaman27 wrote:


What makes you think that?

On August 07 2011 14:19 Ver wrote:

General Mechanics

Each player is given an alignment along with the identity of a famous TL Mafia player, which includes powers that fit the flavor of the player's identity. Personalities can be taken from (but are not limited to) the TL Mafia Quiz. Other than that, it's a straight up mafia game with a few twists, namely:

Some personalities have post restricitons.
Some personalities have secondary objectives.
Some personalities are required to perform some action.

Of course, these all fit the flavor of the personalities and are intended to spice up the game. Other than the restrictions in your identity PMs, you are encouraged to do whatever you can to roleplay your identity. Above all, have fun with the game!

Warning: I heavily advise you to think twice before roleclaiming.

+ Show Spoiler [List of Potential Identities in the game] +

Role PM descriptions will not be given out until after the game is over. Only alignment and personality will be given.

On August 14 2011 00:16 tnkted wrote:
I'm going to keep a list of what I think roles are. If you don't like it, that's too fucking bad.

Kavdragon: Chezinu
Kurumi: I seem to recall a player named ash, but I can't find them in the quiz which is too bad so sad
Sandaroba: is obv Ver (professor badass)

By the way you guys are idiots for revealing.

On August 14 2011 00:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Kurumi/Bill Murray must die. He is 3rd party or scum. There is absolutely no way we can allow a troll playing a troll remain in the game. Lynch him now!!!!!

On August 14 2011 00:27 Jackal58 wrote:

Nope. Ace.

On August 14 2011 00:30 Jackal58 wrote:

All I know right now is that you are BM and need to die.

On August 14 2011 00:33 kitaman27 wrote:


What makes you think there is a godfather in this game? I didn't see any reference to it in the OP. :/

On August 14 2011 01:57 bumatlarge wrote:
For interpretation purposes, I think it actually might not be a bad thing to figure out who everyone is. Roles most certainly do not pertain to alignment, as attributing a personality to an alignment would make this more of a research game, and scum would be better off not acting as their alter-egos.

It would definitely be profitable to keep in mind who everyone is posting as, to analyze their posts better, but I don't think it's as easy as everyone is making it out to be. It should not be the focus at this point of the game.

Kurumi's posts have been odd. While I'm a huge pokemon fan, reading past the glitter, I'm already seeing errors and assumptions that I wouldn't think any townie would make.

+ Show Spoiler +

I'm not reading that at all. I think it's saying the complete opposite. The other things you say I can understand from whatever personality you may have, but this statement seems convincingly intentional. Care to explain?

On August 14 2011 03:14 Jackal58 wrote:

From my role PM

I'm not trying to parody or role play my personality. I'm compelled to get him lynched. Sorry.

On August 14 2011 03:18 kitaman27 wrote:


If you're not BM, then why are you trolling as if you are BM?

On August 14 2011 03:21 kitaman27 wrote:


You decided to make your name Bill in the pokemon theme, have been spamming the thread, and hinted at a rivalry with L?

On August 14 2011 03:26 kitaman27 wrote:


So its just a coincidence that you mentioned the BM/L rivalry and jackal has it in his role pm?

On August 14 2011 03:53 Jackal58 wrote:

I already posted my PM line regarding BM and what I am compelled to do. I have no list of things I can't do. Simply that if BM is revealed I must put all my efforts into getting him killed. So kill him already.
And my personality is already painfully obvious.

On August 14 2011 03:55 Kenpachi wrote:
Oh and i checked Jackal. hes red

On August 14 2011 04:03 Jackal58 wrote:

Your pokemon names scream BM. Your adversary is L. You were obviously informed in your role PM wtf was going down. Coincidence doesn't happen. After that post I strongly believe you to not be town. Maybe not scum but definitely not town.

On August 14 2011 04:05 Jackal58 wrote:

Kenpachi and Kurumi are scum together?

On August 14 2011 04:07 Jackal58 wrote:

Yes I would assume something like that.
Y u lie Kurumi?

On August 14 2011 04:11 Jackal58 wrote:

I don't feel compelled to argue anything. We have established your willingness to lie. If I get lynched unless I do flip miller Kenpachi will also die a scummy death and town can deal with a confirmed scummy liar such as you are at their leisure. You sir are surely not town and you need to die.

On August 14 2011 04:13 Kenpachi wrote:
Who is ace? shoot Jackal

On August 14 2011 04:16 Jackal58 wrote:

My Name: B i l l
Your adversaries name: L

You spelled it out dude.

On August 14 2011 04:17 Curu wrote:
Both of you shut up about this.

LSB where'd you go?

Do not shoot Jackal. If Kenpachi is Village Idiot, he just randomly picked someone to die. If he's a legit DT he can get off a lot more checks and when something confirms him we'll know that he's legit.

On August 14 2011 04:18 Kurumi wrote:

If he is a DT he is dead tonight

On August 14 2011 04:19 Kenpachi wrote:

but im kenpachi. i dont get shot

On August 14 2011 04:20 Kenpachi wrote:

thats what you think

On August 14 2011 02:15 Curu wrote:


What are you trying to say here bud? You trying to say VisceraEyes is wrong? Let me tell you, VisceraEyes is FIVE TIMES the man you are and he is obvtown. So just back off girlfriend, don't be playing with hotties out of your league.

Now, down to business. Let's raise some discussion since there's no setup speculation or sandroba big plan going on here.

If we were to policy lynch Kenpachi, would we get Kenpachi the player or youngminii the Kenpachi role?

Thoughts on Kavdagon (Chezinu) being Cult Leader?

And finally, Kurumi back off sister you ain't hot enough for VisceraEyes.

On August 14 2011 04:36 Curu wrote:


Please show me a single person that said Kurumi is scum because BM is a scummy personality.

On August 14 2011 04:47 Mig wrote:
Ok a couple things, kenpachi is clearly not a DT, he could not have checked someone already obviously. Pandain is known for fake claiming dt day 1 every game. So it could easily be a posting restriction and should be ignored.

2nd Jackal being required to push for bill murray's lynch is very fishy. It is unlikely they put a requirement forcing 2 townies to tunnel each other. When I have seen these type of posting restrictions in the past it is much more common for it to be forcing a mafia to target a specific townie. This doesn't prove jackal is mafia but he is certainly the most suspicious person to me right now.

I could be wrong though, I am not the best mafia player

On August 14 2011 04:49 Jackal58 wrote:

The Coag personality was compelled to role claim in PM land. He chose me. Ken is not Coag. I will not reveal the player or his claimed role.

On August 14 2011 04:54 Jackal58 wrote:

Somebody doesn't quite grasp the personality concept yet.

On August 14 2011 05:02 Curu wrote:
Kurumi stop tunneling him. He claims he has to do it to you but you don't have to do it back unless you actually think he is Mafia for more than just accusing you.

Let's not make day 1 you two just tunnel fucking each other uselessly.

On August 14 2011 05:03 Kavdragon wrote:
Look at the town go round and round with their spammy arguments. I'll be out of a job at this rate my old friend. Everyone is so unhappy with things, why can't we just get along? Brown isn't a third party, it's the ONLY party. Sad...Very sad.

Very well, in an attempt to make people happy, I will read you all a letter I just intercepted. I don't know who it was for, but I found that the author is someone by the name of Uncle Screwtape Flamewheel!


A curious message indeed I must say. I wonder who this mysterious Walton could be? Whatever his identity, I'd best be on the look out for the devious strategies Flamewheel mentioned. Who knows what dangers there may lurk beneith the surface here.

On August 14 2011 06:13 Pandain wrote:
Kurumi spam one more time and its a ban.

But since I feel I am involved in this matter since we are both zergs(so broskis), I will leave it to the Will of the People.

On August 14 2011 06:23 tnkted wrote:
What if both jackie and Kurumi are town, they just have to push for the other's lynch? If they succeed perhaps they get special powers?

On August 14 2011 06:24 tnkted wrote:
The alternative is of course that BM is village idiot and just has to get lynched, while jackie has to push for the lynch. Kurumi certainly hasn't gone out of his way to hide his role.

On August 14 2011 06:28 Jackal58 wrote:

Kurumi could have spammed his entire way through the game and I would have just assumed it was Kurumi being Kurumi. He had no compelling reason to post his personality name and mine in his first post of the game. If he is indeed scum that's his fault for outing himself with his first post. I could have ignored it but if you go and read the L and BM sections of the Mafia Quiz like I did you may also get the impression that Kurumi can kill me tonight. I am mentioned in his role PM apparently. So ya I have a compelling reason to want him dead.
Coupled with Kenpachi's timing of his DT claim and who he claimed to have checked I am strongly beginning to believe that they are both scum.

On August 14 2011 06:35 Jackal58 wrote:

I want to kill you because you are BM and I am L.
It's my life's work to kill you.

Have you read the Mafia quiz where the personality traits are lifted from? If not I suggest you do so.
Jackal58 does not want to kill you nearly as much as L does. Don't take it personally.

On August 14 2011 07:09 Pandain wrote:
Oh so apparently Incognito doesn't tell you. Kurumi has lost his powers, he is just a normal townie now.

On August 14 2011 07:26 L the Scum Godfather wrote:
I am fishing for Pandain's role so my team can kill him tonight, care to help Bill Murray?

On August 14 2011 07:30 Jackal58 wrote:
Never mind Kurumi.

On August 14 2011 07:52 deconduo wrote:
I highly doubt Kurumi or Pandain are mafia at this point. Mafia would be crazy to throw away a power as good as that on day 1, especially on someone as easily lynchable as kurumi.

An eye should be kept on Jackal, but forcing a mafia to tunnel a town seems like a harsh enough handicap. Unfortunately if Jackal is telling the truth its going to be hard to do any sort of analysis on him.

Plenty of high profile lurkers out there, especially Fishball who voted without even posting in the thread yet.

On August 14 2011 07:53 Palmar wrote:


Did you revert back to trolling because I called you out for not trolling?

On August 14 2011 07:56 Jackal58 wrote:
Lemme get this straight. Pandain makes a day 1 role claim. Says nobody can spam but BM/Kurumi. Then "bans" BM/Kurumi for spamming. Lmao. And Kurumi is buying it.
Cool.

Would Ver or Incognito be kind enough to verify that BM is no longer in the game?

On August 14 2011 07:59 L the Scum Godfather wrote:
i like 'em crispy

On August 14 2011 08:06 youngminii wrote:
ok i'm here and i skimmed through kinda so don't blame me if i'm wrong

jackal = name seer
kenpachi = dt
pandain = god

questions:

why did foolishness run for mayor?
why did kenpachi claim a blue role when there are no 'blue' roles?

On August 14 2011 08:09 sandroba wrote:

Excuse me mister Qatol, but how do you suposedly know kurumi's aligment?

On August 14 2011 08:14 Jackal58 wrote:

You'll pardon my disbelief as I await mod confirmation.

On August 14 2011 08:27 Pandain wrote:
If your not going to take a stand sometime, then no one will stop spamming.

I threatened to remove a player from the game. That was not the ability, I can only get rid of their powers. But the fact that Kurumi still insisted on spamming indicated to me that he was not a valuable town, or even mafia.

He was a village idiot. And, as everyone guessed, Bill murray.

Would you not try to stop the spam? And who knew that he would be inventor he sure didn't act like it.

On August 14 2011 08:44 Jackal58 wrote:
I think they're both scum.

On August 14 2011 08:46 Palmar wrote:
If we have a day vig, I don't mind flipping one of them, for fun!

On August 14 2011 09:05 Curu wrote:
And I apologize for my harsh words. I mean no offense, but you can surely see how spamming "kill me NOW" while people are trying scumhunt is not beneficial to Town. I would rather you go back to your Pokemon posts than that.

I am deeply sorry if I offended you Kurumi. It was a stupid and ill-advised post by me. So pretty please try to contribute to the discussion meaningfully instead of martyring.

Sorry for the triple post Incog.

On August 14 2011 09:13 Pandain wrote:


Not if I made him a non-VI.....
and I didn't think he was scum wtf
I thought he had a VI role so I wanted to get rid of it so he'd stop spamming. Didn't think I would get criticized so much for getting rid of a almost certain Bill murray.

On August 15 2011 04:22 Pandain wrote:
Ok so me and mig are in a secret lovers relationship and he claimed his role to me so I think hes innocent.
If you scamp your telling truth I hate you and will murder you

On August 15 2011 04:37 Node wrote:
Out of curiosity, have you confirmed that your powers are actually gone, Kurumi?

On August 15 2011 05:29 Mig wrote:
Kurumi can you seriously stop spamming/trolling. If you don't want to even bother playing the game I don't know why you sign up. But you are making the game much more annoying for the rest of us.

Right now if pandain flips town I would most likely vote to lynch scamp.

Besides scamp I think Bum would be a great lynch. Look at his posts and compare them to DrH's mini game which just ran. Bum is active enough to toss in a comment here and there yet he hasn't actually given his opinion on anything. Or done anything remotely related to scum hunting. So far he seems to be playing 100% bum scum style.

Besides bum aidnai is also extremely suspect. His timing for his response to kav's post is very fishy. He doesn't post the entire day then shows up 30 min after kav's post to freak out and go nuts defending himself. So obviously he was caught up on the thread, yet he hadn't found anything worth commenting on before then? Along with that he then omgus votes kav and disappears again completely from the thread.

Regarding Kav, the trap he set up appears genuine, along with that look at his arguments against aidnai, they are good and he offered to trade himself 1-1 if we lynch aidnai. All of those things are much more townie than mafia. He has spammed a lot in the thread but it may just his attempts to role play as chez. If he were really mafia I doubt he would have done so much of it and put such a big target on his back.

I maybe dumb as a rock when it comes to scum hunting but Scamp/bum/aidnai are our best targets right now.

On August 15 2011 05:33 aidnai wrote:


a 1-1 trade huh?

challenge accepted. I agree this is good for town, but in my opinion, lynching you first is the superior option. Keeping my vote where it is.

On August 15 2011 05:41 aidnai wrote:
And just to be clear with everyone, I am town, I am not walton (more proof that everything kav is saying is BS), and if you lynch me first it will be exceedingly obvious that Kav is a liar and my reaction to him will make sense.

I haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if i'm missing anything else important happening. When I logged in finally yesterday I filtered kav's messages first thing and had to respond.

On August 15 2011 05:55 Mig wrote:


A) My pm said I was lovers with pandain and I could pm with him that is all.

B) if I did I couldn't tell you and what difference does it make?

Do you really think I am scummier than aidnai/bum/scamp? Actually look at their posts.

On August 15 2011 05:56 Mig wrote:


Huh I didn't say pandain was anyone other than Qatol.

On August 15 2011 05:59 Mig wrote:


What are you even talking about here is what was in my role pm.

You are also lovers with Pandain (Qatol) and have PM rights with him

On August 15 2011 06:09 aidnai wrote:


Visceraeyes is scum too.

On August 15 2011 06:30 aidnai wrote:
No, it's that all of his posts are like this



Read his posts and tell me what you think. He's just putting totally surface level thoughts out there with zero follow through.

I'm 100% convinced kav has a wincon or a secondary objective that he is pursuing.

On August 15 2011 06:34 Jackal58 wrote:
Apparently Kurumi has been cloned. I'm gonna go soak my head in a bucket..

On August 15 2011 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
.......Seriously, what the fuck is this shit. Why is no one calling out tnkted for random finger pointing, sheeping, and posting a list that as of day 1 is near useless. What benefit does town actually gain from knowing who is who? Aside from the obvious issues of someone fake claiming their name. However, spending time like he has been speculating on names is useless as the next leap someone in town will make is x name = alignment or x name = role. Quit it now and analyze based on play -_-

Also, until he comes in to explain his vote, I am voting fishball as I have yet to see a single post by him.

On August 15 2011 06:48 Palmar wrote:




This thread sucks. Everything about it sucks. We're not scumhunting properly, we're trolling and the post restrictions are really out of hand. That said, we're 6 hours before the lynch, and sadly Scamp just hopped into the thread and then disappeared, we still don't know if Pandain is going to actually die.

So, we need to reach majority to get a lynch going. that's 17 votes on one person. How do we do this? We consolidate our votes onto 2-3 targets and argue between them. If we do get some obvious information that leads to someone outside the list, we can respond to that. But here's the deal, the votes are all over the place and we need to lynch someone.

So I'd like to present you with three options for a lynch today. This should be the focus of discussion until the lynch actually happens.

• Aidnai - His vote is based on actively lurking and being overly defensive when accused. Here is a short summary from Sandroba: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10856660 . In addition, Kavdragon breadcrumbed an information role (his sources) and says he's ready to 1-1 trade himself with Aidnai.
  
  
• Kurumi - His vote is based on his constant trolling in the thread, it seems like he is not even attempting to get around the post restriction to contribute. More damning is the things I pointed out in this analysis: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10841897
  
  
• Scamp - he's using the same shitty logic Pandain used for shooting a day vigilante shot. He popped into the thread, wrote some random ##Kill thing and the disappeared again after calling us bad. Pandain is "masoned" with Mig, although they need to explain how the lovers role works this game. If Pandain flips town then Scamp should absolutely be the one hanging.
  
  

And, then there's the part where we tell lurkers they suck and need to step up their game. Vigis, feel free to randomly shoot into this list of players:

Youngminii, OpZ, Flamewheel, DoctorHelvetica, Kenpachi, Misder, Chezinu, Fishball, BloodyC0bbler.

Those guys are doing nothing to help us find the scum.

As for myself, my vote is going for Scamp. If it comes to it, I can switch to another good target, unless some ridiculous last minute train forms on someone who's obviously not scum. Any of the three targets mentioned are good lynches.



Here is why you should be voting Scamp.



So, this guy has done almost nothing in the thread but blatantly push mafia objectives. He has four posts in the thread, probably because he's happy he isn't under any suspicion at the moment.

First off, a promise to scumhunt. I consider promising to do stuff in advance very much a mafia trait, because they want to make sure everyone thinks they're contributing.



And then, just a random "hi, I'm here guys, I have no reads, don't listen to me" post. He makes sure to tell us that he's sort of unimportant to the game as whole, as he didn't get a big personality, then goes on to tell us that he has no scum reads. He's not trying to push anyone's buttons.



That is until he decides someone is scummy enough to be shot by a day vigi, that is his window to act. Get credit for shooting a scummy player, and use a kill. But all it did is put us in a bad situation.

a) the shot lands, if pandain flips town he should be hanged for taking a bad excuse and using it to day vig someone in the game. It almost looks like scum trying to buy town credit and then shrugging the bad flip off as "he was bad anyway".

or

b) it's a troll post, which has left us wondering for hours and is just shitting up our thread.



Look at how much town cred he is trying to claim at the end of that post.

The only thing that would make him look town-like to me is if the shot lands and Pandain flips red, but given Scamp's shitty posting style so far in the thread, I don't think we'll have to worry about that.

So, my vote is going for Scamp

Scamp is scum

##Vote: Scamp

On August 15 2011 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Posting restrictions suck.

On August 15 2011 07:55 BarBaPoPPa wrote:


How do you know that?

On August 18 2011 05:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Youngminii, that is what I said, except I didn't bother explaining why I didn't give an alternative until right now. I don't see the issue. If you think I made up my excuse on the fly anyone who watched Destiny's stream the last couple of nights can confirm I am going to a Casino with him tonight from 12am-2pm.

On August 23 2011 15:49 syllogism wrote:
Also BC why didn't you try to get yourself lynched? Did you even read your role description?

On August 23 2011 22:38 Jackal58 wrote:
I couldn't do anything relevant. Even when Kurumi new I had a post restriction (And sorry I had no idea we weren't allowed to reveal that) he wouldn't let it go. So every post I made unleashed 5 posts of spam. I'm sorry.

On August 25 2011 17:25 Bill Murray wrote:
LOL