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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 14 2011 22:05 GMT
#561
##brofist Scamp
yo dawg
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 14 2011 22:07 GMT
#562
On August 15 2011 07:03 Scamp wrote:
Well, that wasn't the right command to kill someone. Must thank god for ideas, bluffing for the lulz was actually pretty fun.

I wasn't about to wade through all the shit when I could fake a single event and get at you.


I like Kurumi's defense for me here. There's a large difference between pushing mafia objectives and being inactive, and I haven't done the former.

Or, to repeat Kurumi, "no u".


So wait you faked a day vig shot of pandain with like 12 hours left in the day. You then disappeared without telling anyone it was fake until 5 hours before the lynch. All this to accomplish what exactly? If you weren't pushing mafia objectives before your recent actions aren't exactly helping the town.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
August 14 2011 22:16 GMT
#563
You don't think we have a better picture on Pandain than what people were arguing about before? You also don't think that just maybe I had to do something like that for some kind of reason?

And it was more like 24 hours left in the day. 5 hours left is accurate, I didn't plan on sleeping after getting food.
Cheese is good for you!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 14 2011 22:19 GMT
#564
On August 15 2011 07:16 Scamp wrote:
You don't think we have a better picture on Pandain than what people were arguing about before? You also don't think that just maybe I had to do something like that for some kind of reason?

And it was more like 24 hours left in the day. 5 hours left is accurate, I didn't plan on sleeping after getting food.


So now you're claiming a posting restriction that forces you to fake-shoot someone?

So Pandain will actually not flip?
Computer says mafia
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 14 2011 22:20 GMT
#565
On August 15 2011 07:16 Scamp wrote:
You don't think we have a better picture on Pandain than what people were arguing about before? You also don't think that just maybe I had to do something like that for some kind of reason?

And it was more like 24 hours left in the day. 5 hours left is accurate, I didn't plan on sleeping after getting food.


........The posting restrictions are so annoying this game. People can do anything retarded then claim PR. Regardless your posting has been completely useless day1. Who do you plan on voting for?

I am voting for aidnai for the reasons I gave before.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
August 14 2011 22:24 GMT
#566
Posting restrictions suck.
Be a man, Become a Legend. TL Mafia Forum Ask for access!!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 14 2011 22:28 GMT
#567
On August 15 2011 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Posting restrictions suck.


I forgot to include this guy on my vigi-target list.
Computer says mafia
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 14 2011 22:29 GMT
#568
On August 15 2011 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Posting restrictions suck.

indeed
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 14 2011 22:33 GMT
#569
Meapak btw you said you were going to post your case against VE. Your case consisted of saying VE's posting history was terrible and nothing else. Really is that it? Do you actually want people to vote VE or are you just throwing out a weak case to try and save aidnai? Even with my crippling self doubt I could write something better than that if I honestly thought VE was scum.
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Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
August 14 2011 22:35 GMT
#570
Hmm. This seems to be going the right way for the town, but there are so many straglers.

Yes, we need to make people accountable for voting someone who is clearly not a lynch candidate.

Alright then, let's lay out the facts for the town:




Whereas, I am offering a 1-1 trade, Aidnai has confirmed this. 1-1's are a good trade, and we have no better leads atm,

AND

Whereas, Not lynching someone today is a BAD thing for town, and we need a majority of votes.


Let it be resolved:

Everyone needs to vote for Aidnai or Kavdragon. Anyone not voting for one of us is doing something anti-town.

Jackal
Fishball
Curu
Palmar
Syllo
LSB
Kenpachi
BloodyC0bbler
Meapak

These people need to put there votes on one of us two.
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
August 14 2011 22:36 GMT
#571
On August 15 2011 07:28 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Posting restrictions suck.


I forgot to include this guy on my vigi-target list.

but i'z a really cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything.
Be a man, Become a Legend. TL Mafia Forum Ask for access!!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 14 2011 22:37 GMT
#572
On August 15 2011 07:35 Kavdragon wrote:
Hmm. This seems to be going the right way for the town, but there are so many straglers.

Yes, we need to make people accountable for voting someone who is clearly not a lynch candidate.

Alright then, let's lay out the facts for the town:




Whereas, I am offering a 1-1 trade, Aidnai has confirmed this. 1-1's are a good trade, and we have no better leads atm,

AND

Whereas, Not lynching someone today is a BAD thing for town, and we need a majority of votes.


Let it be resolved:

Everyone needs to vote for Aidnai or Kavdragon. Anyone not voting for one of us is doing something anti-town.

Jackal
Fishball
Curu
Palmar
Syllo
LSB
Kenpachi
BloodyC0bbler
Meapak

These people need to put there votes on one of us two.


And what happens if you're wrong about Aidnai? Are you going to push for your own lynch?
Computer says mafia
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
August 14 2011 22:37 GMT
#573
On August 15 2011 07:35 Kavdragon wrote:
Hmm. This seems to be going the right way for the town, but there are so many straglers.

Yes, we need to make people accountable for voting someone who is clearly not a lynch candidate.

Alright then, let's lay out the facts for the town:




Whereas, I am offering a 1-1 trade, Aidnai has confirmed this. 1-1's are a good trade, and we have no better leads atm,

AND

Whereas, Not lynching someone today is a BAD thing for town, and we need a majority of votes.


Let it be resolved:

Everyone needs to vote for Aidnai or Kavdragon. Anyone not voting for one of us is doing something anti-town.

Jackal
Fishball
Curu
Palmar
Syllo
LSB
Kenpachi
BloodyC0bbler
Meapak

These people need to put there votes on one of us two.

For those of us who have read two posts in the entire thread (including this one) care to elaborate on why one of you is confirmed somethingsomething?
Be a man, Become a Legend. TL Mafia Forum Ask for access!!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 14 2011 22:37 GMT
#574
On August 15 2011 07:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 07:28 Palmar wrote:
On August 15 2011 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Posting restrictions suck.


I forgot to include this guy on my vigi-target list.

but i'z a really cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything.


Another restriction?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 14 2011 22:38 GMT
#575
On August 15 2011 07:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 07:35 Kavdragon wrote:
Hmm. This seems to be going the right way for the town, but there are so many straglers.

Yes, we need to make people accountable for voting someone who is clearly not a lynch candidate.

Alright then, let's lay out the facts for the town:




Whereas, I am offering a 1-1 trade, Aidnai has confirmed this. 1-1's are a good trade, and we have no better leads atm,

AND

Whereas, Not lynching someone today is a BAD thing for town, and we need a majority of votes.


Let it be resolved:

Everyone needs to vote for Aidnai or Kavdragon. Anyone not voting for one of us is doing something anti-town.

Jackal
Fishball
Curu
Palmar
Syllo
LSB
Kenpachi
BloodyC0bbler
Meapak

These people need to put there votes on one of us two.

For those of us who have read two posts in the entire thread (including this one) care to elaborate on why one of you is confirmed somethingsomething?


Read my post about the state of the thread.

Aidnai has been completely useless, he's a good lynch. I think scamp is the best lynch atm.
Computer says mafia
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 22:38 GMT
#576
On August 15 2011 07:35 Kavdragon wrote:
Hmm. This seems to be going the right way for the town, but there are so many straglers.

Yes, we need to make people accountable for voting someone who is clearly not a lynch candidate.

Alright then, let's lay out the facts for the town:




Whereas, I am offering a 1-1 trade, Aidnai has confirmed this. 1-1's are a good trade, and we have no better leads atm,

AND

Whereas, Not lynching someone today is a BAD thing for town, and we need a majority of votes.


Let it be resolved:

Everyone needs to vote for Aidnai or Kavdragon. Anyone not voting for one of us is doing something anti-town.

Jackal
Fishball
Curu
Palmar
Syllo
LSB
Kenpachi
BloodyC0bbler
Meapak

These people need to put there votes on one of us two.

I can't. Somebody kill Kurumi and I'd be happy to.
Life can only kill you once.
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 14 2011 22:46 GMT
#577
You made me stay up late for a flip Scamp...

Out of the main candidates, my vote for today will be going on Aidnai. I'm afraid if we don't lynch one of him and his brother, they will keep up tunneling tomorrow as well, and of the two, Kavdragon has had a higher amount of activity and was the first to suggest a 1 for 1 trade, making him the most likely townie. Secondly, I think Kavdragon has an out of thread (town circle) reason to vote for Aidnai.

#Vote Aidnai
Bartundar
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 14 2011 22:49 GMT
#578
On August 15 2011 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 01:59 LSB wrote:
Kitaman has said literally nothing this game


lol you need to look in the mirror

Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 01:59 LSB wrote:
His only analysis has been a flimsy "Kavdragon is Chez, so Chez must be third party".
That is just BS, Brown is a mixure of all the alignments, anyone can be brown. Not just third party.


Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 02:06 LSB wrote:
Any discussion of brown will now be henceforth labeled as spam and ignored.


Green is town. Brown is not town.

I have very strong opinions, by that I mean that you are scum. On the other hand you have not said anything
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
August 14 2011 22:52 GMT
#579
On August 15 2011 06:30 aidnai wrote:
No, it's that all of his posts are like this

Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 23:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
I also don't like Kurumi's spastic posting, but from what I understand that's just Kurumi. Do you think if we just ignore him he'll go away?

Looks like we're in for a pretty uneventful d1. Until more people post, there isn't much to say.


Read his posts and tell me what you think. He's just putting totally surface level thoughts out there with zero follow through.

I'm 100% convinced kav has a wincon or a secondary objective that he is pursuing.


I can agree with that, but also, this succession of three posts looks really weird to me as well:
On August 15 2011 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kavdragon. After rereading the thread (/wrist) I've determined that he's one of the most obviously anti-town players in the game. This nonsense about 'brown' and his ridiculous fake letters are clearly attempts to confuse town. If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably an alternate faction of some kind - the cult leader hypothesis has merit, but I'm leaning more toward an alternate scum faction. I'm not sure. But he's almost certainly not town, because not only is he ignoring the scum-hunting of others in town, he's also ACTIVELY trying to divert town's attention to his shenanigans.

Kavdragon, I'd like to see you hang today.

##Vote: Kavdragon

So, VE thinks that Kav is an "obviously anti-town" player, and "certainly not town", enough that he wants to lynch him dead.

On August 15 2011 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 04:18 Node wrote:
First, hai guys. Busy weekend, family's in town, yadda yadda yadda.

Second, what. The. Fuck. This is beyond bad. There's a reason a lot of people aren't contributing: it's almost impossible to contribute to this mess without making it worse. I propose that everyone simply stops posting so damn much, and tries to consolidate what would normally be 3 posts down to 1, so that there's a lot less fluff for everybody to digest whenever they want to figure something out or make a point.

I kinda-sorta agree with Pandain's actions so far, and I'm really disappointed that he seems to have been shot. I think Kurumi's been detrimental to the town, and I think he knows this. He's done a huge part in establishing the terrible atmosphere we've currently got, and his actions have made it impossible to just ignore the spam he's throwing around. He's gone straight to the chainsaw defense when people call him out, and claimed one of the few roles that would be worth playing risky to keep around. Pandain just made one crucial mistake: even if he's not roleplaying Bill Murray, kurumi is still kurumi. He's still gonna spew nonsensical BS. Personally, I would've rather he just be shot, as it still covers the VI possibility and saves us from any future thread-destroying shenanigans from that particular source.

I also find it hard to buy that the Qatol personality would be mafia-aligned, no matter how much everyone says personality != alignment. And since nobody's counter-claimed him, I'm inclined to believe Pandain is both Qatol and town-aligned.

On August 15 2011 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kavdragon. After rereading the thread (/wrist) I've determined that he's one of the most obviously anti-town players in the game. This nonsense about 'brown' and his ridiculous fake letters are clearly attempts to confuse town. If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably an alternate faction of some kind - the cult leader hypothesis has merit, but I'm leaning more toward an alternate scum faction. I'm not sure. But he's almost certainly not town, because not only is he ignoring the scum-hunting of others in town, he's also ACTIVELY trying to divert town's attention to his shenanigans.

Kavdragon, I'd like to see you hang today.

##Vote: Kavdragon


This is an interesting way to interpret kav's actions. I'm not sure I agree with it, though. You say that he's trying to divert our actions. I ask, what exactly is he trying to divert us from? Considering how aimless this game has been, Kav might be one of the few trying to put us on a worthwhile track. I don't think he's necessarily town, but I'm willing to wait and see in this case.


It looks like a very obvious (and very successful) attempt to keep town from ACTUALLY hunting scum. Yes, I believe his nonsense is related to his role...but it's still nonsense guys. Waldon? Mysterious communications with anonymous players? Intrigue? NONE of it is scumhunting. ALL of it is ridiculous. I think he's trying to divert us from real scumhunting by claiming that he's doing so with...whoever. Node, you're smarter than this and I think the fact that you're entertaining this farce is extremely suspicious.

He still thinks he's scum, and he's chastising Node for not thinking the same. Note how strong his conviction seems to be about how Kav is anti-town.

Then, a few people (including Kav himself) make a couple of posts defending Kav by attacking you. They all say the same thing basically, that you reacted strongly and quickly to Kav's trap. And then:

On August 15 2011 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, fair points guys...I hadn't really thought of it that way. The spammy feeling of his posts had me prejudging him. Aidnai looked more like a distraction than an actual suspect, and his behavior HAS been suspicious, I'll freely admit.

I'm convinced. I'll also vote aidnai.


So, he goes from thinking Kav is complete anti-town, enough that he wants him lynched, to voting for you. He goes from believing a player is scummy from an entire day's worth of information and behaviour, to voting for you because of a couple posts, within the span of 40 minutes. This kind of flip flopping seems really weird to me, and pretty scummy. It just looks like he wants to hop onto the bandwagon that will make him look more like town at the time. =/
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BarBaPoPPa
Profile Joined August 2009
Vatican City State15 Posts
August 14 2011 22:55 GMT
#580
On August 15 2011 07:46 Barundar wrote:
You made me stay up late for a flip Scamp...

Out of the main candidates, my vote for today will be going on Aidnai. I'm afraid if we don't lynch one of him and his brother, they will keep up tunneling tomorrow as well, and of the two, Kavdragon has had a higher amount of activity and was the first to suggest a 1 for 1 trade, making him the most likely townie. Secondly, I think Kavdragon has an out of thread (town circle) reason to vote for Aidnai.

#Vote Aidnai


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