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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 01 2011 08:11 GMT
#21
/in
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 01 2011 13:41 GMT
#42
Sounds good to me
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 01 2011 18:48 GMT
#71
Confirming
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 01 2011 20:01 GMT
#98
You stole my post, but let me re-emphasize that days have 48 hours
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 01 2011 21:38 GMT
#115
I don't think 24 hours is enough, but if there's enough activity that might be doable.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 02 2011 09:01 GMT
#216
There are likely 5-6 blues in this setup and if the confirmed townie is any good it's quite easy for him to look at the claimed blues and deduce which claims are unlikely due to balance concerns. I would expect at most one to fake claim. There is no way there's more than one day vig, and unless we find a a compelling target today I don't think it's worthwhile to "waste" the shot today just to mass claim today rather than, say, tomorrow when there's more information and likely time if we proceed immediately. We can just go ahead with the mass claim plan once we get a confirmed townie and personally I think that's ideally tomorrow.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 02 2011 12:04 GMT
#222
On August 02 2011 09:20 chaos13 wrote:
DrH has the right idea here. Yes, confirmed townies are excellent. However, mafia can easily fake claim a role like medic or vig, and then we would need to waste our DT checks in order to confirm those claims. Not only that, but we have no idea who the day vig actually is. If it's in the hands of a weaker player, that could lead to complete and utter disaster. Having one player coordinate all the actions of the blues is never a good thing. There is far too much room for error in such a situation, especially since mafia are able to PM and influence the game as well. Ultimately, however, it is up to the individuals with the roles to decide what to do. Discussion about this is very good, but I would rather not waste all day with it. Just something to keep in mind if we're still arguing about it in 24 hours.

Vigis, because there are probably a lot of you in here: Do not shoot unless it is at confirmed scum. If you feel you must shoot anyway, take out lurkers and liars. This sort of common sense is all too often ignored, and results in dead town. Even take DT claims with a grain of salt. If analysis points to a player being town when a claimed check has shown red, proceed with caution. It could be a miller or a scum's fake claim in order to waste a vig shot, especially if the claimed DT player has been under suspicion.

No one is confirmed scum until they flip. You even go on to say red checks can be millers or the DT fake claiming; vigs should be shooting at people they believe are likely scum. Overall I'm not a huge fan of this post as you joined the anti-sandroba plan wagon quite late, you cover all the angles without really taking a strong position and the part about DTs fake claiming feels a bit forced.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 02 2011 13:10 GMT
#225
Why not? There are frequently 7-8 blues with only 6 scum and for instance hatters are worse than in a standard setup. 6 is probably too high though
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 02 2011 13:19 GMT
#227
The reasons aren't very convincing, but yes it's a pointless discussion
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 02 2011 19:54 GMT
#262
On August 03 2011 04:49 Lucidity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote:
On August 03 2011 02:43 Mig wrote:
Varp every post you make screams wishy washy to me. Where is the confident Varpulis I have played with in the past? Every opinion you give you list the pros and cons and then you end up taking a pretty neutral stance. I haven't seen you have a strong opinion of anything yet.

If you had to vote for someone right now who would it be for and why? Do you find anyone besides red scummy?

I got called out for wishy washiness in PTP (day 1) as well. Day 1 nothing is solid, there's rarely anything to base arguments off of until late in the day, and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum.[/b] I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet.

[b]By the way, if we're going ahead with the plan, could we have a soldier/sniper claim? If there are none we need to reevaluate.

Lol dude wtf? I'm struggling to find any non-scum motive for wanting such a claim. Could you provide me with one?

And you're focused on maintaining your appearance as an active townie instead of hunting scum? Good stuff.



Mig's going crazy at people for not providing great posts on IRC, yet he's not doing what he's hounding others to do? Scum often employ such strategies. What's the dealio, yo?

Yes, the famous scum strategy of trying to get people to be active when the thread is basically dead. He has been quite active in both PMs and in thread, comparatively.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 02 2011 19:58 GMT
#269
On August 03 2011 04:57 youngminii wrote:
syllogism you have been nonstop defending Mig in IRC and evidently this thread too. You've been doing it the entire time I was arguing with Mig. The ENTIRE time. Mig pays you no attention but you keep backing him up on literally everything.

Why?

Haha non-stop defending? The only thing I've defended him against is your awful logic
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 02 2011 20:30 GMT
#294
Now you are just being intentionally obnoxious. Look at the time stamp of the first PM; it was sent after you ragequit and before you "called me out"
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 03 2011 09:20 GMT
#357
Has anyone been in contact with Varpulis? What he said before the game suggested he would be very active but his activity seems to have diminished since the wagon formed
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 03 2011 09:42 GMT
#358
Similarly, Drazerk has previously been on irc all the time as a townie and not as scum, and the latter seems to be the case in this game from what I've seen.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 03 2011 10:08 GMT
#362
Actually the drazerk scum game I was thinking about wasn't a PM game, so that bit of meta is inaccurate. Curu is in a PM/skype circle with me and a few others and we noted his lack of aggression and he claimed he didn't want to 'tunnel' in this game because he has often been so wrong. It's a pretty poor reason, as tunnelling can still lead to useful discussion and scum slips (see redff in AA). He went on to say that he knows his meta and would tunnel as scum, indeed he sort of did in WaW2, so for now I don't think I'm quite yet willing to lynch him based on that bit of meta.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 03 2011 13:47 GMT
#378
I'm liking at least one out of jeejee/BC being red, especially jeejee, but not really have anything convincing to offer right now and lynching BC today would be pretty dumb anyway. Jeejee hasn't commented on much in and apparently out of thread, just soft defending varpulis today, and has been quite bland so far. Seems a bit too bold for day 1 scum play if varpulis flips red though. Speaking of Varpulis, out of the realistic lynch candidates today, he is my choice. Once the wagon started forming he seems to have gone relatively inactive, despite indicating before the game and even during it that he would be active, which seems typical advice given from scum teams in situations like this. Besides that, for reasons have been reiterated above

##vote Varpulis
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 04 2011 22:07 GMT
#556
Mass claim to mig
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 04 2011 22:11 GMT
#559
On August 05 2011 07:07 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 07:07 syllogism wrote:
Mass claim to mig

erm no

Err yes, unless you think his plan was to bus his teammate 1, shoot a random and not use the other shot just so he could get town cred. It's a completely ridiculous scenario
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 04 2011 22:17 GMT
#562
On August 05 2011 07:13 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 07:11 syllogism wrote:
On August 05 2011 07:07 redFF wrote:
On August 05 2011 07:07 syllogism wrote:
Mass claim to mig

erm no

Err yes, unless you think his plan was to bus his teammate 1, shoot a random and not use the other shot just so he could get town cred. It's a completely ridiculous scenario

wtf is it with new players and mass claiming lol. He isn't confirmed town so we will not be mass claiming to him.

It's a game of probabilities and this is a semi-closed setup. If we put the likelihood of mig being town at, say, 90+%, mass claiming could be worthwhile. He doesn't have to be 100% confirmed.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 11:02 GMT
#614
It looked like there was relatively little effort put into saving varpulis; varpulis himself appeared to give up quite early, which was really the most damning aspect of his play yesterday. This might imply that the other realistic wagon, lucidity, is scum as well. His play so far doesn't quite match his AA scum play, though his attempts at casting doubt on mig does mirror his similar attempts on Palmar in AA.

Still, Jeejee looks like the better lynch right now. Initially I thought that his drazerk wagon attempt begun too late for it to be a scum attempting to save his team mate (varpulis already had 8 votes and the other alternative only 2), but he actually defended him quite early. Ace is obviously correct in that defending someone isn't a scum tell, but in this context I still consider it something a scum is more likely to do. Jeejee posted his defense soon after Varpulis posted his own and ignored it, despite the defense itself looking quite bad ("I'm fairly sure that i'm not scum, unless I have a serious problem with reading pms".

##vote Jeejee

If there are still blues yet to roleclaim to mig, you should do it now.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 21:06 GMT
#715
So he was GF, shocking development
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 21:15 GMT
#728
Don't tell who is going to protect whom, just make sure one of the medics is protecting mig and one is protecting the other
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 07 2011 18:46 GMT
#786
Easy
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 07 2011 18:51 GMT
#793
Not much to add. 5 vets would be absurd even with 2 RBs

##vote Munk-E
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 07 2011 19:55 GMT
#810
On August 08 2011 04:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
5 vets is stupid , that gives mafia a 1/4th chance of failing on a hit lol

Lucidity also just claimed vet on irc for additional hilarity.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 08 2011 18:41 GMT
#883
Uh ok
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 08 2011 21:31 GMT
#901
It doesn't look like YM is coming back, so we'll be lynching him eventually anyway, sans a modkill. His play has been incredibly scummy or strange, it's just a shame this is basically going to be another day with little to no discussion.

##vote Youngminii
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 09 2011 09:02 GMT
#934
I spent the whole game basically talking to Mig and pretty much lost interest after day 2 due to there being little to analyze in the thread. As such, not particularly interested in defending myself either, I'll just note that it would take an absolutely ridiculous scum gambit for me to be mafia, given I knew everything Mig knew, starting from day 1. This includes his role, his thinking and all the claims he got. I would have had to waste both day 1, day 2 and even day 3 NKs (they were all awful), just for some absurd plan to win the game like a week later. On Day 1 I couldn't have even known if there's a DT or night vig in the game, making it even more ridiculous. Same line of reasoning applies to BC and DrH, but to a lesser extent as they got the relevant information later. I was suggesting Jeejee (and he agreed) quite early into day 1 and similarly agreed with his points on Varpulis.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 09 2011 09:49 GMT
#939
On August 09 2011 18:16 Barundar wrote:
syllo whats your thoughts on todays lynch?

I stopped taking notes a while ago, but I still find it unlikely the scum team is Jeejee/Varp/2 newer players, while our vets are BC,Mig,DrH,me,Munk-e. I don't care how much host claims it was RNGed, it just looks so unbalanced. If one of the original 4 vets is fake claiming, it's BC. The hits have been awful, however, which does somewhat suggest that a weaker scum team is a possibility. I don't understand why Lucid would have claimed vet when we were about to lynch Munk-e, who he as scum would know was going to flip vet. Could just be poor play, but that's pushing it.

I would lynch Chaos13 today. Sevryn is a tempting alternative, in the light of the Trotsky hit, but he has a few posts that look towny to me when made by a newer player. Following that, I think we have to deal with the vet issue. Would Ver/Qatol really approve a setup with 6 vets, even with 2 RBs?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 09 2011 09:58 GMT
#940
It's worth noting that the fact mafia hasn't been interested in killing the vets is suspicious by itself, because if we lynch their second RBer, the game would be basically over with that many vets alive. We don't really have confirmed townies outside the circle, so keeping the vets alive just to arouse suspicion doesn't make sense. Perhaps mafia considered redff confirmed due to him being told about the plan by ON, however.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 09 2011 10:19 GMT
#941
Here's a balanced team:

Jeejee/BC/Varpulis/newer player

Following that assumption, they would have realized early on, as I did, that at least one out of Jeejee/BC has to be mafia and would get lynched. BC didn't like varpulis lynch day 1 and bussing jeejee on day 2 when people were already pushing for his lynch isn't particularly meaningful. Claiming vet also makes sense because he had to have an excuse for staying alive so long and he didn't know there would be this many vet claims. Despite knowing about the plan, he couldn't really kill DrH as that would make him look incredibly suspicious, especially if he kept staying alive on the following days. Similarly, killing mig would indicate it was someone who knew about the plan. That still left the possibility for killing someone else, but in that position it made somesense for him to waste a KP to make himself look better.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 09 2011 10:24 GMT
#942
Oh and this may sound hypocritical coming from me, but did BC's day 1 play look like that of a vet? He has been quite meek so far
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 09 2011 10:42 GMT
#944
On August 09 2011 19:41 Ace wrote:
Thats why hosts shouldn't try to "balance" Mafia teams. If it's known that BC or JeeJee have to be Mafia then the game becomes pretty easy to figure out. Better off randomizing teams and letting the chips fall. Even a team of newbies can win assuming they aren't stupid. Experience doesn't matter that much.

I completely agree, but as long as they don't, I'm not going to ignore it
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 09 2011 10:46 GMT
#946
On August 09 2011 19:44 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 19:42 syllogism wrote:
On August 09 2011 19:41 Ace wrote:
Thats why hosts shouldn't try to "balance" Mafia teams. If it's known that BC or JeeJee have to be Mafia then the game becomes pretty easy to figure out. Better off randomizing teams and letting the chips fall. Even a team of newbies can win assuming they aren't stupid. Experience doesn't matter that much.

I completely agree, but as long as they don't, I'm not going to ignore it


The teams were completely randomized

Since it's you saying it, I'm actually willing to believe. The above may somewhat be me tunnelling BC as I'd rather not be fooled by him than lose to two newer players.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 10 2011 07:48 GMT
#1002
On August 10 2011 13:27 Curu wrote:
syllo though you really need to come in and play to the potential I know you can. Don't make me look bad for sticking my neck out for you like this.

chaos's defense was terrible, mostly for these two points:

I already demonstrated that based on the actions I'm literally the least likely person remaining to be scum. Unfortunately we've mostly some not-so-bright individuals remaining.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 10 2011 08:49 GMT
#1012
On August 10 2011 17:32 Lucidity wrote:
Basically everyone in that Vet circle has the same defence as you? But there is definitely one scum in there. So . . .

No, I'm the only person in the game, Mig aside, who knew he was a vet before the N1 hit took place
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 10 2011 08:50 GMT
#1013
Can we lynch BC now
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 10 2011 09:00 GMT
#1016
On August 10 2011 17:55 Barundar wrote:
Most of the arguments that apply to you apply to BC as well syllo. Anyways gonna go chill for a bit.

Some do, the most important one doesn't, and I didn't spend whole day attempting to deflect the lynch from mafia. Unless I've completely overestimated BC, his town play can't be this awful. He has been against two of the mafia lynches so far and pretty much concluded that chaos13 can't be mafia because he has been lurking and not defending himself or something.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 10 2011 20:06 GMT
#1036
Don't turbo BC
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 10 2011 20:25 GMT
#1039
Rereading BC's exchanges with Jeejee, they look fairly genuine. I also still find it unlikely a mafia team with both jeejee/bc would be this incompetent. The hits have been especially bad, for the most part.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 10 2011 20:36 GMT
#1043
I find it curious day post got posted right when Kenpachi woke up, after being delayed so long. He is definitely among the people who need to die before LYLO
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 10 2011 21:40 GMT
#1044
He was also around for day 3 and day 4 posts, both of which weren't posted until mafia had submitted their actions.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 10 2011 21:43 GMT
#1046
On August 11 2011 06:41 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 05:36 syllogism wrote:
I find it curious day post got posted right when Kenpachi woke up, after being delayed so long. He is definitely among the people who need to die before LYLO

so evil. It was a coincidence. im also confident in my Lylo (because i was there many times)

We don't want you around because you are one of the few people remaining who can't be read and Sandroba did little to make himself look day 1.

I don't believe in coincidences; day post timing isn't conclusive, indeed smart mafia would realize that, but this mafia team hasn't been smart so far
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 10 2011 21:43 GMT
#1047
EBWOP: "make himself look town"
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 11 2011 08:42 GMT
#1055
How about this order: Kenpachi, Sevryn, BC

Kenpachi - Sandroba didn't play very long, but look at his posts on day 1. There is only a single post that relates to scum hunting, and that is a very weak FoS towards Varpulis, in which he even states he doesn't have a problem with his posts. Further, later he goes on to say on skype he thinks Varpulis just a null read / dumb (?). Kenpachi hasn't done anything either, except vote along with every wagon. I'm not sure where his confidence that the game will end before lylo stems from when he obviously isn't putting much effort into the game. One of the few players who hasn't been active on irc.

Sevryn - Another person who hasn't posted enough to get a good read on and also hasn't been active on irc. I'm getting a townie vibe from some of the posts though, so I'd rather lynch Kenpachi first.

BC - I don't actually want to lynch him anymore, because I now realize we should lynch based on analysis rather than solely based on what we guess the role setup is. We know for sure there are at least 5 vets, so 6 isn't completely out of the question. His posts and irc behaviour look towny to me, I think I was tunnelling him a bit due to his case against me and the unwillingness to believe there could be 6 vets. If he was mafia, I don't see him offering that 1:1 trade yesterday, even to postpone chaos13 lynch, because if I had been lynched, he would have been lynched on the day after and then naturally chaos13. I'm only including him in the lynch chain in case some of you still aren't convinced; I'd rather not have him around as the autolynch if we get to LYLO. Can be replaced with any other vet of your choice, as long as you accompany analysis to support the lynch.

If the game isn't over by this point, things get more difficult to predict, so I'm not even going to try. Just lynch based on who is alive and who has done the least to make himself look towny. I'm suggesting this approach because it don't think any of the remaining players have made any apparent scum slips, so a simple process of elimination works better. I could do a list of almost-confirmed-townies, but doing it this early would just help scum with their hits.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 11 2011 08:46 GMT
#1056
Oh and regarding sevryn; I've a hard time believing they were desperate enough to save varpulis to have 3 of their own vote in a block on a lynch candidate that didn't really have meaningful support from town
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 11 2011 09:19 GMT
#1058
On August 11 2011 18:14 Barundar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 17:46 syllogism wrote:
Oh and regarding sevryn; I've a hard time believing they were desperate enough to save varpulis to have 3 of their own vote in a block on a lynch candidate that didn't really have meaningful support from town

Just wanna point out this is wifom and goes for BC as well.

It's not, it's typical scum play. Wifom is such an overused term over here
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 11 2011 09:20 GMT
#1059
That is not to say scum can't all vote for drazerk, it's just that it's more likely that they did not. Obviously you aren't deciding whether to lynch someone based on something that minute, but it's one thing you should take into consideration
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 11 2011 09:23 GMT
#1060
I mean if we go down that road with wifom, we can literally apply the term to everything players do. The fact of the mater remains is that some actions are more likely than others. You might have a point if the TL scum play was good enough and they similarly thought townies were good enough to apply that line of thinking. That's only when this kind of levelling wars really start to become relevant.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 11 2011 09:35 GMT
#1062
No it's not, it's typical scum play to spread votes like that, especially considering they weren't in a position to save Varpulis. If the vote had been closer, it would have been more likely that they were stacked on drazerk. Generally wifom only applies to late game situations, especially lylo. Until then, risking optimal (ie. logical) play to mislead town rarely happens. Further, I'm not saying Sevryn should be ignored based on that, it's just one thing you should take into account, as I said.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 11 2011 14:57 GMT
#1064
Well now you are only taking one thing into consideration, and based on other things that have occurred, and analysis of his posts and irc behaviour, I think he is less likely to be scum than the other two. Maybe Kenpachi hasn't been particularly scummy (this isn't actually correct as hardcore lurking is scummy), but Sandroba's play on day 1 was, in retrospect, quite curious if you know how he usually plays. Weak FoSs/pressure votes aren't his style. He promised a "huge case" on our skype chat, right before he left the game (this obviously is coincidental, just mentioning it because we never got the case), but didn't mention who the case was going to be about. Me and mig thought it was peculiar, but since he left the game we kind of forgot it.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 11 2011 15:25 GMT
#1066
If the mafia was gullible enough to believe that BC and DrH are medics, they had to take them out before their rb dies or autolose. Roleblocking one and shooting the other makes perfect sense in that situation; indeed, the whole plan was to get them to waste their shot like that. Of course it's possible that they wasted a shot intentionally to gain town cred, but I don't think we can read too much into that either way.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 11 2011 15:54 GMT
#1068
Kenpachi is still lurking, claimed that he his "confident in his LYLO play" and then proceeded to say we won't get to LYLO so we don't have to lynch him or something. You were suspicious of him day 1, what has changed? We've two players who we can't read well, and I think we can afford to take them out first. Then we can look into the vets/remaining players and lynch. You appear to be willing to lynch based on role speculation rather than analysis, which I now disagree with.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 12 2011 08:18 GMT
#1081
This town is starting to really tilt me. Lynch kenpachi. Lucidity is a ridiculously bad lynch. Why would mafia claim vet when there were 5 vet claims and we were about to lynch one (munk-e)? If you say WIFOM, I'll strangle you; some actions in mafia are always more likely than others. The only question is whether we can accurately estimate which is more probable. In this case it's trivial; lucidity is almost certainly town and a vet.

syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 12 2011 13:39 GMT
#1088
Lucidity pointed out Kenpachi actually made one effort post in the game, which seems quite uncharacteristic of him. His case against Jeejee; I missed it because it was in spoiler tags

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10694371

At that point jeejee already had like 10+ votes, had self voted and was the unanimous lynch. That's a lot of effort from kenpachi to analyze someone who was going to be lynched anyway...
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 12 2011 17:51 GMT
#1114
On August 13 2011 02:48 Kenpachi wrote:
btw syllo, i do pull off analysis when i feel like it. :l
Majority lynch really fucked me over

I know, it was just the timing; ie. when it didn't matter at all
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