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confirmed. Dayvigs even if your shot isn't up for debate or negotiable, still claim your shot before you use it, give the player getting shot a chance to say his last words, give suspicions etc... As always hatters probably shouldn't plac their bombs n1 unless they have near confirmed scum. the last thing we need is a hatter dying and bringing 2 townies with him. | ||
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and Varpulis doesnt speak for me.. | ||
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On August 02 2011 07:32 Drazerk wrote: Also I agree with Sand's plan. The sooner we have confirmed town players the better. The sooner we have random dead townies the better too i guess? Dayvig if you are going to shoot call your shot and let town discuss. | ||
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There, that's my opinion if you think it's scummy then vote me. Draz post what was scummy in the irc chat please. | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:51 Curu wrote: Huh? I don't understand your post. The confirmed Townie tells the player who he is going to shoot or protect, he doesn't tell all Medics what every Medic is doing. Since we know how much KP Mafia has I very much doubt any of them are going to be able to claim Vig. So you want one townie conducting every single vig hit/medic protect/hatter bomb? k here's an example. Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-no someone else is protecting him. now mafia know's to not hit player x. I would be more open to this plan day 2 or 3. But all i see is 2 townies getting lynched and losing a dayvig and that person most likely dying the next night. | ||
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On August 02 2011 09:00 Curu wrote: No, it goes like this: Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-stfu I choose who you protect, you'll be protecting player y Mafia-Okay... I'm not comfortable with having 1 townie direct all of the blue actions. What if the townie is wrong about things/terrible? then we are screwed... | ||
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[7:30pm] Lucidity: does dochelvetica ever use punctuation? [7:31pm] Lucidity: I find myself out of breath reading his posts [7:39pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:39pm] alanismorisette: lol [7:42pm] Curu joined the chat room. [7:42pm] Curu: redFF made no jokes at the start of PTP [7:42pm] Curu: and he was Town [7:42pm] Curu: COINCIDENCE? [7:43pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:43pm] alanismorisette: didnt i make jokes? [7:43pm] alanismorisette: i did [7:44pm] alanismorisette: give me the wand imo [7:44pm] alanismorisette: that was one [7:44pm] alanismorisette: and i kept tlpdizing everything [7:44pm] alanismorisette: thats why lanaia [7:44pm] mig__: great jokes [7:45pm] mig__: red are you actually trying to defend yourself on whether you made jokes or not? [7:45pm] Drazerk: Red is so scummy >.< [7:45pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:45pm] alanismorisette: how [7:46pm] alanismorisette: is ptp over yet? [7:46pm] Drazerk: not yet [7:46pm] mig__: its weird that you seem to be actually trying to defend yourself when people are clearly fucking around with you [7:46pm] mig__: concerning the jokes [7:46pm] Drazerk: also the fact that your opposing sand's plan [7:47pm] Lucidity: opposing with no reasons [7:47pm] Lucidity: opposing is fine tbh [7:49pm] alanismorisette: well [7:49pm] alanismorisette: im not opposing [7:49pm] alanismorisette: im just saying that vigs shooting day 1 [7:49pm] alanismorisette: is not necessarily amazing [7:49pm] alanismorisette: u gain a confirmed town [7:49pm] alanismorisette: but u may lose a town too [7:49pm] Drazerk: not if we are doing it how sand proposes [7:50pm] Drazerk: in that case it would just be the same as lynching a townie which is much worse [7:50pm] alanismorisette: yeah [7:50pm] alanismorisette: i guess [7:50pm] Curu: you also had no problem shooting on like page 1 of your other game as day vig  [7:50pm] alanismorisette: i dunno if today is the day i wanna double lynch [7:50pm] alanismorisette: but that time i shot the gf [7:50pm] alanismorisette: he was obv [7:51pm] alanismorisette: its different when there arent obvscum [7:51pm] Curu: this time we might too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [7:51pm] Curu: didnt you shoot him cause he made some pump up town post [7:54pm] alanismorisette: well [7:54pm] alanismorisette: kita random voted [7:54pm] alanismorisette: and he was like [7:54pm] alanismorisette: you shouldn;t do it this early in the game, town has lost games recently and we need to pull ourselves together. etcetc [7:55pm] alanismorisette: then he made another post [7:55pm] alanismorisette: telling everyone to read his vigi guide [7:55pm] alanismorisette: and then he made another post attacking someone for a joke [7:55pm] alanismorisette: plus there was one guy defending him who looked scummy too(and was the rb) [7:55pm] alanismorisette: so i shot him [7:55pm] alanismorisette: hey draz [7:56pm] alanismorisette: reasonless votes not good [7:56pm] alanismorisette: post the irc chat [7:56pm] alanismorisette: s [7:56pm] alanismorisette: so people can see ur reasoning [7:56pm] alanismorisette: Drazerk: [7:56pm] Drazerk: want me to copy the IRC for you then? [7:56pm] Drazerk: I will do it lol [7:57pm] alanismorisette: yeah [7:57pm] alanismorisette: please [7:57pm] alanismorisette: if you're gonna vote [7:57pm] Rinku left the chat room. (Ping timeout) [7:57pm] alanismorisette: show people the evidnece [7:57pm] alanismorisette: also [7:57pm] alanismorisette: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=8#147 [7:57pm] alanismorisette: that is why this plan on day 1 double lynch is terrible [7:57pm] Drazerk: I am not jumping on a bandwagon [7:57pm] alanismorisette: the day when we are most likely to lynch town is when we should double lynch! [7:57pm] alanismorisette: yay! [7:58pm] Drazerk: we have actually got a decent track record day 1 at the moment [7:58pm] Drazerk: when we kill you [7:58pm] Drazerk: we will have a even better one [7:59pm] alanismorisette: Drazerk: pleaes tell me why im scum [7:59pm] alanismorisette: please [7:59pm] alanismorisette: just make one post [7:59pm] alanismorisette: on the thread [7:59pm] alanismorisette: outlining why i am scum [7:59pm] sandroba left the chat room. (Ping timeout) [7:59pm] alanismorisette: you have no reasons apart from opposing a flawed plan with perfectly reasonable reasons [8:00pm] alanismorisette: and from me pointing out that it is in my meta to joke day 1 [8:02pm] alanismorisette: Drazerk: [8:02pm] alanismorisette: why am i scum [8:03pm] Drazerk: wishy washy play - Hating a very good town plan when "Oh noes we may accidencently kill a scummy town player" and the whole fact you are defending yourself this hard over a joke and a pressure vote [8:04pm] alanismorisette: ..... [8:04pm] alanismorisette: k [8:05pm] alanismorisette: it is not a "very good town plan" [8:05pm] alanismorisette: it wasnt defending myself hard over a joke [8:05pm] Drazerk: II'd rather kill a useless towny than lynch a useless towny [8:05pm] alanismorisette: curu made a statement and i responded [8:05pm] alanismorisette: now ur saying im a useless townie? [8:06pm] alanismorisette: chill with the insults and twisting my words dude [8:06pm] Curu: what [8:06pm] Curu: i never asid you were useless townie [8:06pm] alanismorisette: no [8:06pm] alanismorisette: drazerk is [8:06pm] Curu: oh [8:06pm] Drazerk: I never said you was a useless townie - I was refering to the plan [8:06pm] Drazerk: Your a very bad scum membet [8:06pm] Drazerk: member* [8:07pm] alanismorisette: drazerk [8:07pm] alanismorisette: i've played like 10x more games then you [8:07pm] alanismorisette: stop calling me bad [8:07pm] alanismorisette: also [8:07pm] alanismorisette: the plan is bad [8:07pm] alanismorisette: because [8:08pm] alanismorisette: we will most likely lynch 2 townies and then mafia will double stack the dayvig tonight [8:08pm] alanismorisette: how is that a good plan? | ||
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Why would we want to enforce a double lynch and use a dayvig shot day 1, when we can use it later game when we have a far higher chance of hitting mafia. All this plan will most likely do is kill 3 townies and lose us a dayvig shot which can be far more useful later on. Idk what the fuck is going on when its a good idea to double lynch day 1. It seems to be the proponents of this plan are just like LETS KILL TOWNIES FASTER!!!!1111ONEONE!!! If anything it's scummy to defend this plan and then just call whoever is against it scum with zero reasoning. We lynch today, vigs for the most part should hold their shots, and we win this game by scumhunting, not by some kooky plan Sandroba made up in 5 minutes. Pros 1. get a confirmed townie 2. Every blue claims to this townie?? Cons 1. Double lynch on the day when we are most likely to lynch town. 2. Mafia can infiltrate pm circle 3. One townie directing all blue actions 4. Confirmed townie will most likely be shot 5. We lose a dayvig shot early when it can be put into far better use later on in the game. Someone please put forward a convincing argument as to why this plan is good aside from pulling a Drazerk and going "lolscum" | ||
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On August 02 2011 16:26 youngminii wrote: fairly certain redff is scum he's playing exactly like that other game where i was scum with him i'm sorry red but your scum play is so obvious On August 02 2011 19:35 Lucidity wrote: Haha, I guess I was still in the Asylum mindset with mass blue everywhere - somehow thought that all 7 blue roles listed would be in the game. ~4 blues make sense and we're very unlikely to have 2 medics in that, so a plan to coordinate them this early isn't actually that great. I think the only time that we should be claiming is if Mafia only have 1 KP left or if a Day Vig hits a Vet, leaving us with 2 confirmed townies. One of them will survive the night and be able to pass on info~ redFF, forever RED? to shitty fos's with absolutely no reasoning. This is funny... | ||
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Anyways, this discussion is quickly devolving into spam/insults. The plan has been shown to be flawed and I think at this stage it is out of the question for now. Also Varpulis-role fish much? Dayvigs don't claim lol. If you are a dayvig you have to think, do I use my shot now and probably hit a townie and then die? Or do i wait and kill a mafia with a BOSS DAYKILL later in the game? I'm still waiting on both YM, Drazerk and Lucidity to tell me why I am scum. | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:11 Lucidity wrote: So we've already found 2 scum in redFF and DoctorHelvetica who are opposing the plan without any real reasons? Good stuff. A confirmed townie coordinating blues is brilliant. The only problem I can see is if scum impersonates medics. That could give away blue roles/leave our soldier vulnerable. Solution? Just have all medics protect the soldier for night 1. 1 Night of coordinated abilities is quite powerful and we'll have more info on Day 2. Apparently because people opposed a plan which has very real and obvious faults and holes makes someone scum... Although at this stage he could be just a dumb/inexperienced player not thinking. But calling me and DrH scum because we disagree with the plan is pretty funny. On August 02 2011 09:01 Lucidity wrote: How will he figure out who the other vig shots are aimed at? How will a fake medic find out who the other medics are protecting? Who said the plan is faultless? I think I'll take your advice and vote for you! ##vote redFF If there isn't a great candidate for day vig I agree with heist's Day 2 proposal. We don't really want to use our vigi's and hatters on Night 1 anyway, do we? Confirmed townie might be more effective on Day 2. The only problem is the risk of losing him on Night 1... So he see's a vote for me and thinks he can start an easy bandwagon on someone because at that stage in the game the plan had a lot of support. My point was a scum could be like-protecting this guy and if the confirmed townie said don't the scum could infer that that guy already had medic protection. We've already established the plan has major flaws esp on day 1 so i won't go back into that. The vote though doesn't really have any reasoning apart from attacking the plan, the points i was making were valid imo. Also he didn't actually vote for me in the thread, which I find pretty funny. That just seems like mafia trying to kick off a bandwagon and the turning around and looking at the votes and calling people scummy when i flip town... On August 03 2011 05:20 Lucidity wrote: If it's such a waste of time why are you dedicating any time at all to it anymore? I don't think there has been serious majority support for the plan for long now, so there's no reason for you to talk about it. Every Day 1 has to start in some useless way before there's something to discuss. Why not use the posts that have been generated by this plan to start some discussion which you think might be useful? Ok then don't ask other people to do it just do it. This post is complete shit, all it does is ask other people to contribute when he hasn't even contributed himself. ##Vote Lucidity | ||
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Are all possible roles listed in the op? | ||
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On August 03 2011 06:13 Lucidity wrote: I wasn't saying you're scummy for opposing the plan. Your reasons provided were horrible, which I found suspicious. This isn't worth thread space as it's quite obvious, but if you're interested read the spoiler. Oppose with troll. You seemed to do this in AA also. I joke in most games lol am i scum for joking? you and drazerk must have been doing some taking :O Horrible. How would they ever figure this out? By saying they are protecting one person and the confirmed vig telling them not to... The plan doesn't involve a "confirmed townie". It would be a real confirmed townie. No one ever said the plan was faultless. In the other game the player was a confirmed townie but mafia fakeclaimed to him and he believed them and ended up losing town the game. This would never happen. Terrible reason. If i was a blue role i would not have a random confirmed townie tell me what to do i would do what i think is correct. Also same point you made about the post above this one, try harder please. The pro is coordination and a voice for blues. Avoiding possible death before he uses his shot. 2. There wouldn't be any PM circle. 3. If the townie is super bad it would be bad, but we'd still have the benefit of coordination. 4. Confirmed townie will be shot whether we use the plan or not. 2.Yes there would this whole plan proposes a pm circle surrounding this confirmed townie. 3. Exactly, blues should do what they think is correct, not follow the advice of this random dayvig who actually followed through with this retarded plan. 4. If we don't use this plan we won't have a confirmed townie because the dayvig won't have shot.. The only decent points you raised seemed to be parroting others. Anyway, now you're defending your horrible reasoning again? Your points weren't valid for the most part, except for those that you adopted from others... There's no shame in making mistakes, but trying to defend bad posts' reasoning so that you seem "clean" indicates that you're scared to be wrong. You seemed overly anxious to defend any accusations thrown your way, which is similar to what I experienced as your scum partner in AA. And lol, you're right I forgot to vote for you in the voting thread. I actually find Varp the best scum candidate at the moment after that post I highlighted earlier. But don't worry, I'll vote for you first so that the voting record shows it "when you flip town" (hahaha?) As for the last quote, you might have noticed that I was talking to others who were perma complaining about the plan being a waste of time. I never said the discussion was a waste of time. How is it complete shit? Terrible man ;p My response in bold. In this post you didn't even say why im scum, and you still haven't provided good reasoning. And yes this post On August 03 2011 05:20 Lucidity wrote: If it's such a waste of time why are you dedicating any time at all to it anymore? I don't think there has been serious majority support for the plan for long now, so there's no reason for you to talk about it. Every Day 1 has to start in some useless way before there's something to discuss. Why not use the posts that have been generated by this plan to start some discussion which you think might be useful? is fucking terrible. You keep bringing up the plan but then you say stop talking about and make a call for pro-town discussion and analysis, but don't actually do any yourself. that's a fucking typical easy scum post. | ||
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On August 03 2011 07:14 OriginalName wrote: BIG IRC LOG POST INCOMING + Show Spoiler + [16:49] <@Kurumi> ok ok [16:49] <youngminii> not that anyone cares [16:49] <@Kurumi> hm [16:49] <CUru> hey munk e [16:49] <@Kurumi> dropbear would care [16:49] <@Kurumi> but he isn't playing [16:49] <CUru> who do you think is scummy? [16:49] <Munk-E> Mainly mig [16:49] <Munk-E> but i'm also analysing varp [16:49] <Munk-E> and lucidity [16:49] <youngminii> oh look syllogism told mig that we're talking about him and now mig is here [16:50] <Lucidity> lol [16:50] <youngminii> /talkingoutofmyass [16:50] <Munk-E> Oh snap when did he get here? [16:50] <mig__> just got here I was just in irc until I had to disc like 15 min ago lol [16:50] <mig__> maybe longer [16:50] <OriginalName> it was like [16:50] <OriginalName> an hour ago [16:50] <OriginalName> when you dced [16:50] <mig__> k [16:52] <CUru> ym why would you want to lynch mig day 1? [16:52] <CUru> he has a ridic track record of finding scum [16:52] <DoctorHelvetica> i agree with curu [16:52] <youngminii> oh that's fair enough reason to not lynch him actually [16:52] <DoctorHelvetica> wait on mig [16:52] <youngminii> yeah [16:52] <CUru> scum would be much more afraid of him than town [16:52] <syllogism> mig was mean to him so he started tunnelling the most active player in a game where the thread is pretty dead, standard [16:52] <youngminii> ok unvoting [16:52] <CUru> if hes scum then we can tell when he doesnt find any scum [16:53] <youngminii> splendid work syllogism, as usual [16:53] <syllogism> it's true [16:53] <OriginalName> So [16:53] <OriginalName> are we down to Varpu/Lucidity [16:53] <OriginalName> for likely suspects? [16:53] <youngminii> what, the fact that your backseat sheeping is splendid? [16:53] <syllogism> what am I sheeping [16:53] <OriginalName> On Mig [16:54] <syllogism> on what [16:54] <OriginalName> when he could theoretically be perfectly wrong [16:54] <OriginalName> and your just not doing any of your own thinking [16:54] <youngminii> on literally everything he has done this game [16:54] <OriginalName> on his lynches [16:54] <OriginalName> Syllogism [16:54] <youngminii> i'm not even kidding, you're just following his every single thought [16:54] <OriginalName> you are not mig [16:54] <syllogism> i've been talking to him and a few others all game on skype [16:54] <OriginalName> think for yourself [16:54] <youngminii> you mean on quicktopic? [16:54] <syllogism> you apparently dont know me very well [16:54] <syllogism> if you think i dont think for myself [16:54] <OriginalName> but you havent shown that yet [16:54] <OriginalName> at all [16:54] <OriginalName> ._. [16:54] <syllogism> in thread yes [16:55] <OriginalName> THEN SHOW IT IN THE GOD DAMNDED THREAD [16:55] <OriginalName> THATS WHERE IT MATTERS [16:55] <youngminii> you haven't shown it in irc either [16:55] <OriginalName> I dont give a fuck about your private behind closed doors shit [16:55] <syllogism> it's a channel with 15 people [16:55] <OriginalName> i want to see it [16:55] <syllogism> not exactly ideal [16:55] <youngminii> so you're showing it in your PMs to mig [16:55] <@Kurumi> I like turtles [16:55] <OriginalName> Because afaik your just sheeping [16:55] <syllogism> what am I sheeping, you still havent said [16:55] <OriginalName> Kurumi are you trying to troll me cause of WaW2? [16:55] <Lucidity> how is it more ideal to show to 1 person syllogism? [16:55] <Lucidity> lol [16:55] <OriginalName> ._. [16:55] <syllogism> all i've done is argue against bad logic by YM [16:55] <youngminii> wtf [16:56] <youngminii> you can't see what you're sheeping [16:56] <youngminii> oh my god [16:56] <syllogism> Lucidity: it's not one [16:56] <youngminii> oh my god [16:56] <youngminii> i can't [16:56] <youngminii> handle this [16:56] <@Kurumi> I am not trolling anyone [16:56] <@Kurumi> _^_ [16:56] <@Kurumi> I am hosting a game [16:56] <@Kurumi> this is serious [16:56] <@Kurumi> _^_ [16:56] <youngminii> syllogism's got to be the biggest troll [16:56] <OriginalName> ._. [16:56] <@Kurumi> but [16:56] <@Kurumi> what happened [16:56] <OriginalName> no [16:56] <OriginalName> the turtle things [16:56] <@Kurumi> I am not paying attention [16:56] <OriginalName> shit [16:56] <@Kurumi> aa [16:56] <@Kurumi> I just like turtles [16:56] <@Kurumi> _^_ [16:56] <OriginalName> mmk [16:56] <Lucidity> is it just me or does [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) So [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) are we down to Varpu/Lucidity [16:56] <Lucidity> 02,02 12,00 2302:125302.1234 02,02 02( OriginalName 02) for likely suspects? [16:56] <Lucidity> scream scum? [16:56] <OriginalName> because [16:56] <Lucidity> lol [16:56] <OriginalName> we want a solid lynch [16:56] <OriginalName> not just [16:56] <OriginalName> herp derp everyone off doing their own shit [16:57] <OriginalName> Dont even try that scum shit on me [16:57] <Lucidity> we're still 24 hours away from lynch [16:57] <OriginalName> so what [16:57] <OriginalName> we tookj [16:57] <OriginalName> 24 hours [16:57] <Lucidity> what possibly reason is there to start tunneling now [16:57] <Lucidity> haha [16:57] <OriginalName> to get that plan away [16:57] <OriginalName> its gonna take 24 hours [16:57] <youngminii> LOL [16:57] <OriginalName> to get our shit together [16:57] <syllogism> tunneling is fine if it creates discussion [16:57] <OriginalName> Im starting early [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> no it doesnt scream scum lol [16:57] <Lucidity> That's just asking, "Hey guys, who are the 2 candidates I can tag on to without upsetting shit?" [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> have you read [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> vers town guide [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> tunneling isnt a scumtell [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> jesus [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> town is more likely to do it than mafia [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> mafia want to plays afe [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> they go where the town goes [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> has no reason to tunnel [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> as long as mafia doesnt get lynched it doesnt matter lol [16:58] <OriginalName> And i cant tunnel as scum [16:58] <Lucidity> which is exactly what ON is doing? [16:58] <OriginalName> i tried it once [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> what motivation would ON possibly have as scum [16:58] <Lucidity> roflll [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> to tunnel you [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> because youre bad [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> if it was [16:58] <alanismorisette> wow after that syllo now looks redic scummy [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> BC [16:58] <OriginalName> it fucking [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> id understand [16:58] <OriginalName> failed [16:58] <Lucidity> I'm not saying he's tunneling he's scum [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> what [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> thats exactly what you said [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> wow [16:58] <OriginalName> Lucidity [16:58] <Lucidity> I'm saying he's asking the town for 2 safe candidates [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> lol [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> jesus [16:58] <OriginalName> just [16:58] <OriginalName> just [16:58] <OriginalName> wow [16:58] <OriginalName> ffs [16:58] <Lucidity> ? [16:59] <OriginalName> No [16:59] <OriginalName> i give up [16:59] <@Kurumi> wanna a replacement [16:59] <@Kurumi> the next in the line is.. [16:59] <@Kurumi> Bill Murray [16:59] <OriginalName> no [16:59] <@Kurumi> so how about that? [16:59] <OriginalName> Im not a ragequit [16:59] <@Kurumi> kk whatever [16:59] <OriginalName> im giving up on explaining [16:59] <OriginalName> why I said that [16:59] <youngminii> if bm was next in line [16:59] <DoctorHelvetica> lucidity its normal if people have a suspicion to tunnel it [16:59] <Lucidity> You think we found the scum [17:00] <youngminii> i'd give my spot just to see him play [17:00] <youngminii> again [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> because the towns goal is to kill a scum [17:00] <Lucidity> in those 2 candidates? [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> if you think someone is scum [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> you tunnel them lol [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> thats the pro town thing to do [17:00] <OriginalName> i think those two candidates [17:00] <OriginalName> have the highest chances [17:00] <OriginalName> of being scum [17:00] <youngminii> i don't [17:00] <Lucidity> with so little info out [17:00] <OriginalName> From what i have deduced in the thread [17:00] <OriginalName> Ok then [17:00] <Lucidity> rofl [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> there is a lot [17:00] <OriginalName> put more info in then [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> to analyse [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> already [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> lol [17:00] <alanismorisette> wow@heist [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> we dont have flip info [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> but [17:00] <Lucidity> There is a lot more to analyse [17:00] <Lucidity> l [17:00] <Lucidity> o [17:00] <Lucidity> l [17:00] <OriginalName> Lucidity [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> whats so funny [17:00] <OriginalName> The OMGUS from that [17:00] <OriginalName> doesnt help you [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> you know what i would do if i ws mafia id say [17:00] <OriginalName> btw [17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> "ignore the day 1 discussion ther eis no info nothing to analyse move on lol" [17:01] <OriginalName> DrH is prob town [17:01] <OriginalName> YM is meh [17:01] <youngminii> ignore the day 1 discussion ther eis no info nothing to analyse move on lol [17:01] <Lucidity> OMGUS? [17:01] <OriginalName> I want to see more from BC [17:01] <OriginalName> oh my god you suck [17:01] <Lucidity> rofl [17:01] <OriginalName> someone accuses [17:01] <Lucidity> I know what it means [17:01] <OriginalName> then you shout back [17:01] <Lucidity> where did I do it? [17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> when you said on is scum after he said youre scum [17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> lol [17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> jesus [17:01] <Lucidity> no [17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) So [17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) are we down to Varpu/Lucidity [17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) for likely suspects? [17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> scream scum? [17:01] <Lucidity> You're completely misrepresenting [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> yes [17:02] <@Kurumi> hey guys, just do what Ace recommended in Mini [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> that looks like omgus [17:02] <@Kurumi> RANDOM LYNCH [17:02] <Lucidity> It's scummy because he's asking the town for safe candidates [17:02] <@Kurumi> jk jk :3 play mafia [17:02] <Lucidity> not because i'm one of the 2 suspects [17:02] <Lucidity> rofl [17:02] <@Kurumi> now brb [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> its not scummy hes seeing if people agree [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> thats normal to do [17:02] * chaos13_ is now known as chaos13away [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> no matter what side youre on [17:02] <OriginalName> Its called checking your work [17:02] <OriginalName> making sure im not completely off my rocker [17:02] <Lucidity> horseshit [17:02] <Lucidity> roofl [17:02] <OriginalName> ... [17:02] <OriginalName> fuck it [17:02] <Lucidity> what work? [17:02] <OriginalName> Lucid is soooooo scum [17:02] <Lucidity> You haven't posted anything [17:03] <OriginalName> ... [17:03] <OriginalName> oh [17:03] <OriginalName> my [17:03] <OriginalName> god [17:03] <OriginalName> ... [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks End of relevant conversation Im going to point out the arguement between Lucidity and Me. Take what you will from it, but I think hes definitly up there on the scum leaderboard. I think what's far more interesting there is syllogism's part. I encourage everyone to read this btw. | ||
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PTP1-kooky plan(town) On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote: Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch. WaW2-kooky plan(town) On July 05 2011 14:58 sandroba wrote: Okay I have a fucking plan! We are going to treat all days as being 24 hours (We could consider starting this day2, up for discussion). Every day we vote for who to lynch in the first 24 hours and that player will claim how many lives he has (town player has no reason to lie and if he does he gets lynched anyway) and we will fire that amount on him. If a player claims unkillable by nukes like coag we launch 2 and if he's not dead we lynch him. Those will be the only nukes fired every day and it's safe to assume world radiation will not be reached this way. Every player has at least 1-2 nukes and the op says the radiation level needs to be "fairly high" for the conspirator to win. If anyone else fires a nuke he gets auto lynched NOT nuked back. If we follow this plan we will have 2 lynches every day for every night kill axis has. Needless to say this is extremelly advantageos for us since: 1) Prevents conspirator from winning the game. We can stop using this tactic any time when the game gets tilted in allies favor. 2) Gets us 2 lynches everyday and prevents people from random killing other players. XLii-kooky plan (town) On June 14 2011 12:55 sandroba wrote: Ok, so I have an idea. We try to use pm's to our advantage and coordinating blues is extremelly advantageous to town. I propose a DT that has a number on the player list lesser or equal 15 to check me this night. He then pms me my role and I post in the thread that I got checked, of course not revealing his ID. Everyone that has a blue role mansons me. A medic who has a number inferior or equal 10 protects me this night. This should keep mafia guessing, because no one knows how many medics, if any, there are in the first 10 numbers. This can make mafia waste many kp on me or let the plan work. I will not reveal any roles to ANYONE so there are no possible leaks, and will single handly coordinate all the blue force, of course taking into consideration all lists posted in thread and sugested to me via pm's. Possible scenarios: 1) I'm GF, then town is pretty much screwed, but you guys can lynch me if many blues are dead after day1 if you think that's the case. That's the worst possible scenario and a pretty huge loss for town, but I assure I'm not. 2) I'm mafia goon or miller. If I'm mafia I'm pretty dumb proposing this plan, but either way of course the DT will not manson me. If I'm mafia I can lie and tell you guys that a DT has checked me and confirmed my role, causing many blues to roleclaim to me, but then I would risk that there was a DT in the first 15 numbers that can instantly out me as scum randomly mansoning another player and using him as mouth. So it doesn't work well if I'm mafia. If I'm miller I'll of course say in thread that no DT has messaged me (because he won't) and the plan has failed, we can proceed to go by our business and ignore the plan. 3) I'm any other town aligned role (most likely scenario and the real one). If there's a DT who pm's me I'll say so in thread and other blues who have night actions role claim to me. Town proceeds to rape mafia miserably. If no one checks and pms me we ignore this plan and move on. Why this plan is good: First I'm experienced and intuitive enough to make good reads and calls, but not "well known" enough to have a high chance of being mafia GF. Making another praised veteran take this role raises the chance he's the mafia godfather. Second, it has a very slim chance of needlessly tieing up many of our blue roles, since I've limited the possible DTs/Medic protects using the player list. Third, it's pretty hard to make a secure blue coordination center without previously determining a player to be checked or outing the DT, so this is the best I could come up so far. Any criticisms and sugestions are welcome. Let's make this plan the best we possibly can. Cheers. Paranoid Mafia-no kooky plan(scum) Closed casket-no kooky plan (scum) xxxix-no kooky plan (town) Merc Mini-no kooky plan (town) So what does this show us? Sandroba often does silly plans as town, but never as scum. Small sample pool yes, but something to consider. I have Sandroba down as town even though his plan was shit. I was bored btw so don't go asking me why i did this. T.T now he's getting replaced wtf. The meta read still stands. | ||
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On August 02 2011 07:32 Drazerk wrote: While a good thread presence is needed I still think you can do most of the legwork in IRC / PM. My only issue will be if people just vote for no reason and say - IRC discussion. If your going to vote / spout accusations you make all your posts clear in thread and don't use PMs as an easy method to bandwagon. Anyone who is scared of PMing / joining in IRC discussion should be put under the spot light it is actually one of our greatest tools as town and avoiding them gives scum a huge advantage. Also I agree with Sand's plan. The sooner we have confirmed town players the better. Notice the bold. On August 02 2011 08:41 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote RedFF Opposing sand's plan with no real reasons while defending himself like a mad man in IRC when he has no real reason to defend himself yet. LOLWUT. My only issue will be if people just vote for no reason and say - IRC discussion. If your going to vote / spout accusations you make all your posts clear in thread and don't use PMs as an easy method to bandwagon. Massive contradiction within first 2 posts of the game... That said, I find BC's post scummy too On August 03 2011 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: At the moment I am not feeling either Varp lynch or the lucidity lynch. Factor in both at the moment are being more active than most players in the game, I would be more inclined to at least let them live another cycle. I however don't like when players come in to hop on bandwagons or attempt to start them then vanish. It irks me completely. As such, until Drazerk comes back into the thread to at least play / explain his inactivity I suggest we move our lynch to him. I would rather lynch someone appearing scummy / useless than someone who is being linked as scummy and is active. Their activity will help clear / damn them whereas inactivity doesn't give us dick all to work with. He's not giving real reasons why he doesn't like the Varp or Lucid lynch, just vague like they are kind of active. Then he just that we move our lynch to Drazerk, because he's lurking/useless. Once again no real reasoning. The most damning thing here tho imo is that he hasn't even voted for Drazerk, yet subtly started a bandwagon on him that 2 people have now jumped on and voted him. This makes me anxious of BC because it's exactly the kind of thing mafia would do. FOS | ||
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On August 04 2011 03:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: shinbi had no scum leanings, then in 10 hours without posting serious reasons he sheeps onto something I say to try and force a bandwagon on a player? Not only that, rather than push said bandwagon with any conviction, he makes his move then vanishes from the thread completely since. As such, until he reappears to explain his actions I am throwing my vote there. vote jeejee k so you subtly suggest that we should swing a lynch off of one player onto another, but don't actually vote for the person you suggest lynching. Then you vote for the first person who, giving reasons, votes for the person you suggest? Am i missing something here? | ||
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On August 04 2011 07:04 Lucidity wrote: !@#$ You know you can just say fuck right? | ||
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On August 04 2011 07:21 ghrur wrote: Don't be a pessimist. I support the shooting of JeeJee why? | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:50 ghrur wrote: Okay, so we weight the benefits of confirmed townie vs possibly hitting a townie. Confirmed townie is definitely better. Have you heard how Ace talked about Masons in that Mafias #1 targets thread? It's because they're confirmed so easily. A confirmed townie is valuable, and that's just 1 person less to shoot at. Furthermore, even hitting a townie can give us a lot of information for our first official lynch. It also gives us new information to re-evaluate our thoughts. If he dies because mafia stacks, all the better. This means, if we miss, we killed 1 extra townie day 1, but also saved 1 extra townie night 1. Pretty even. If the Day Vig doesn't shoot, there is a chance that he gets sniped night 1, especially with all the talk about him. I think it's beneficial to have him shoot. The problem is... is there a Day Vig? o.O K so he's for the plan, but he WANTS TO LYNCH FOR INFORMATION. NEVER LYNCH FOR INFORMATION HOLY SHIT. He also say's that it's good that the confirmed townie will die...which was the whole issue with the plan. On August 02 2011 09:08 ghrur wrote: Yup, and if Mafia shoots player Y, and player Y dies, then clearly the medic isn't a medic but is mafia. :/ So if mafia tries to be medic, it effectively hurts them. Still supports the plan, but here he actually makes a nonsensical point. Nobody was suggesting the mafia would claim protecting someone and then shoot them instead... On August 03 2011 17:35 ghrur wrote: Yeah, I do. I played with Drazerk AA and he acted the same way. If I recall, it was basically a "Lynch Wiggles" post and then afk. I'm down for either varpulis or Kenpachi. I don't get why sandroba's supposed to have seemed town. I mean, looking back on the plan, I realize it's incredibly bad. and this post by sandroba docH, how is the simple fact that it's no longer day1 is going to make lynches more acurate down the line? If we can speed up the process and basically skip night 1 how is it possibly bad for town? What? He knows better than this. So the plan basically becomes let's out the dayvig and give mafia a free blue. :/ This is his very next post. Disagrees with a Drazerk lynch, and gives fucking awful meta reason to do so. This is not like AA at all lol. Here is the most important thing though. His last 3 posts were all behind the plan 100%!!! But now, with no explanation apart from, the plan sucks. He comes out and calls Sandroba scummy and says the plan is terrible. Did your mafia buddies tell you to do this in the QT???? On August 04 2011 07:21 ghrur wrote: Don't be a pessimist. I support the shooting of JeeJee He hasn't mentioned JeeJee at all before, yet posts saying he wants him shot with NO REASONING. also SCUMSLIP ALERT SCUMSLIP ALERT SCUMSLIP ALERT He says Don't be a pessimist in response to YM saying that scum is getting worse. Actual "scumslips" are very rare, but i'm fairly certain I just found one. VIGIS ON THIS GUY PLEASE. It's fine if no tho but I will be trying to get this mofo lynched tommorow. | ||
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On August 04 2011 08:19 ghrur wrote: Redff: Yes, I understand lynching for information was bad. I was making the point that losing 3 townies is losing 3 townies until I realized day-vigis get 2 shots so we still effectively lose a vigi, and later shots are more accurate. Why did I change positions? I argued with DrH about this in Mafia IRC and reconsidered my position. Neither was I... I was stating how fake-claims by mafia would hurt them under the plan... Like, do you not understand that that was a continuation of thought from what Curu said? >_> Also, you're tunneling by the third "point." Did you not read "looking back?" I re-evaluated my position. Would you like to hear why I realize it's a bad plan? A. It lures out a confirmed townie and ends up with him getting shot. B. We lose a vigi shot early with the opportunity cost of getting a better shot later on. C. Vigis get 2 shots, so even if Dayvig dies, it's not a confirmed townie that dies, but a confirmed blue. D. Instead of ending up with 3 greens dead if mafia stacks, we end up with 2 greens dead and 1 blue dead. Much worse. So what does this effectively do? Lure out a blue for mafia to kill! Why would Sandroba suggest such a plan then! Why was I stupid enough to support it? Because I was stupid. I never mentioned JeeJee before... except in IRC and talking about it to TAA. Guess what? I also find Munk-E scummy but I've never mentioned him before in thread either. I don't post everything I think. lol ur scum I got called scummy for talking about stuff on the public irc channel, your talking about all your reads in pms to a couple of people. that is scummy as fuck. Please post your thoughts on both JeeJee and Munk-E. you have 10 minutes because if you already talked about it to other then i assume you will be able to post about it.. | ||
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[8/1/2011 3:02:03 PM] james: more and more [8/1/2011 3:02:12 PM] james: for the cannon fodder [8/1/2011 3:02:12 PM] james: shot [8/1/2011 3:02:23 PM] Charles Suo: yes thats the easy early one [8/1/2011 3:02:26 PM] Charles Suo: hes also nto going to be contributing at all the game [8/1/2011 3:02:35 PM] james: well [8/1/2011 3:02:38 PM] james: hes against [8/1/2011 3:02:39 PM] james: day vigiing [8/1/2011 3:02:39 PM] Charles Suo: well actually idk he died on the first day/night [8/1/2011 3:02:42 PM] james: and against encrypting of posts [8/1/2011 3:02:45 PM] Charles Suo: both games i was in with him [8/1/2011 3:02:57 PM] james: like hes against two things [8/1/2011 3:03:04 PM] james: that are pro town [8/1/2011 3:03:15 PM] syllogism: i'm somewhat skeptical about him saying that as scum though [8/1/2011 3:03:24 PM] syllogism: the encryption part especially [8/1/2011 3:03:26 PM] james: eh, it means [8/1/2011 3:03:27 PM] james: hes good [8/1/2011 3:03:30 PM] james: day vigi [8/1/2011 3:03:33 PM] james: shot [8/1/2011 3:03:41 PM] james: already being counter productive [8/1/2011 3:03:47 PM] james: i can understand not wanting to encrypt shite [8/1/2011 3:03:54 PM] james: but against getting a day 1 [8/1/2011 3:03:58 PM] james: confirmed [8/1/2011 3:03:59 PM] james: player? OK WTF IS THIS On August 02 2011 08:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: *yawn* So out of drH and redff there is a clear difference between the two of them. Both are arguing against this plan. First of all, a lot of drH's concerns are legit. A lot of questions based around this plan that makes it "solid" received not so good responses from the mods. IE not exploitable. I see the advantages of the plan, and if we could actually think of a target for day 1 to day vig it would be fine, however. This is a game with 4 mafia, 1 gf and 1 rber in the mix most likely. The next issue is a simple bit of knowledge of qatol and ver helped balance the game. Very few KP will be in this game. Counting on a day vig for all our hopes seems...shortsighted. If we have one, awesome, however we should have 2 kp at most given the setup. 1 med and 1 vet, or 2 vets, would be a likely blue setup for night survival and 1 dt if we are lucky. As this is speculation based on how to not make a game horribly OP for town I would guess no day kp as that would make town confirmable. However, if this plan can be made to work then thats fine and good. My issue now stems from DrH and redFF. DrH has been arguing against it in thread. He has been on the bad side of this sort of situation before, and I can see where he might have learned from that. I have no issues with him doing so primarily because he is doing it here, in thread. Redff however has been arguing this on irc. If he was so sure of his stance he should have taken it here in thread. Massive FoS by excluding info from thread. So apparently BC says that thinks that arguing against the plan and getting a confirmed townie is scummy. But then he says in the thread that the concerns are legitimate. Notice how BC doesn't even really take a stance on the plan. He also says that it's a massive FOS for excluding info from the thread, when in that skype convo(https://docs.google.com/document/d/10jA3MmX1xqqIfA0dbFV2x_2ABuzcbCX6IKcXlx_oFF0/edit?hl=en_US) he says very important stuff he doesn't say in the thread. LIKE THE FACT THAT HE THINKS I AM SCUM AND A GOOD DAYVIG SHOT AND HE THINKS THAT ARGUING AGAINST THE PLAN IS ANTI-TOWN. Here's what we know. We know that someone in that skype convo is scum. And we already know that BC has been scummy before. Vigs on BC please for the love of god. | ||
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ghrur ur mafia too stfu [7:57pm] alanismorisette: post that analysis [7:57pm] alanismorisette: its not bullshit if you have already discussed it with people [7:57pm] alanismorisette: just post what you talked about with them [7:57pm] alanismorisette: quick! [7:57pm] ghrur: It's been past 10 minutes [7:57pm] ghrur: My deadline is gone [7:58pm] ghrur: and I wanna play basketball [7:58pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:58pm] ghrur: Besides, I already said [7:58pm] chaos13 joined the chat room. [7:58pm] ghrur: I didn't save the chat log [7:58pm] alanismorisette: doesnt matter [7:58pm] ghrur: Ask TAA if he has it [7:58pm] alanismorisette: just post the gist of ur position on them [7:58pm] alanismorisette: easy [7:58pm] alanismorisette: just do that for me [7:58pm] ghrur: Sure, I'll do it [7:58pm] ghrur: But I'd rather play basketball [7:58pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:58pm] ghrur: I'll post it afterwards kay? [7:58pm] alanismorisette: do it please [7:58pm] alanismorisette: no [7:58pm] alanismorisette: now [7:58pm] ghrur: No, real life > mafia [7:58pm] alanismorisette: im sorry but everyone is seeing this right [7:59pm] alanismorisette: it will take [7:59pm] alanismorisette: like 5 minutes [7:59pm] alanismorisette: dude [7:59pm] youngmin: i'm laughing my ass off [7:59pm] alanismorisette: you could have finished it by now [7:59pm] ghrur: ??? YM? [7:59pm] ghrur: Cya later [7:59pm] ghrur: <3 [7:59pm] alanismorisette: but instead you are gonna go think about it [7:59pm] ghrur: I'll post it after [7:59pm] youngmin: lolololol [7:59pm] alanismorisette: then post it [7:59pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:59pm] ghrur: Yes, I didn't need to think about my defense [7:59pm] ghrur: <3 [7:59pm] ghrur: Cya [8:00pm] alanismorisette: ... fuck this guy | ||
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On August 04 2011 09:21 Curu wrote: I'd prefer the Vig on JeeJee/Munk-E and the DT on BC. Medic on Mig. why medic on mig? A medic on ON or DrH is wayy better. | ||
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On August 04 2011 09:33 Barundar wrote: Mig was the one starting the case on varpulis, posting the initial analysis and pressuring him through the day. I consider ON and DrH town as well though. As a side note Trotske is most likely town based on Varpulis' FoS. I wouldn't DT check JeeJee or BC, if mafia they are most likely to be the godfather. For all we know Varp knew he was getting lynched so decided to attack trotske and they could be both scum? Also please read the thread gf is random. | ||
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On August 04 2011 17:17 Drazerk wrote: Meant to post this at the day post but I fell asleep... Basically I've been using myself as a scum magnet, ( Yes I discussed this with other people before I started doing it ) I made myself an easy bandwagon target once I knew town had found a decent lynch candidate that I thought was scum knowing they would need a safe scapegoat to lynch. ( Ok my attacks on RedFF wasn't exactly part of this plan but they did allow me to do it easier ) Varp was being lynched and they didn't think lucidity would of worked so they went after the next best thing - a lurker who made a bad FoS at the start of the game ( Ok sorry red ). So now we have three scum found who all have ties with Varp in defending him while pushing my lynch. JeeJee and chaos 13 are basically the same person in this game. Defend Varp while pushing for my lynch when actually a vigilante shot would of been much better for the town as it does not waste a lynch. If you want to kill a lurker the best thing to do is shoot and ask questions later these guys just wanted an easy, safe lynch that would not raise much suspicion when I flipped blue. Now here is something you may not have noticed. BC was the first person to actually propose a lynch on me but he didn't do it, rather when someone did vote me he instantly voted JeeJee. The only reason he would do this would be if he actually 100% knew I was town and thought the lynch had a chance of actually going ahead to buy him town cred by apposing the lynch. His play is very wishy washy and has been acting like scum in a variety of different ways throughout the game. So here is your scum team: Chaos13 BC JeeJee Lurking just won us the game... or it could be that the scum all sucked. LOL YOU GOTZ THEM YOU GENIUS | ||
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On August 05 2011 02:00 Trotske wrote: scum mcscumscum ... | ||
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On August 05 2011 07:03 Mig wrote: I was shot btw champion! Nice read btw YM. SCREAMING SCUM vet or protected? | ||
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On August 05 2011 07:11 syllogism wrote: Err yes, unless you think his plan was to bus his teammate 1, shoot a random and not use the other shot just so he could get town cred. It's a completely ridiculous scenario wtf is it with new players and mass claiming lol. He isn't confirmed town so we will not be mass claiming to him. | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:50 ghrur wrote: Okay, so we weight the benefits of confirmed townie vs possibly hitting a townie. Confirmed townie is definitely better. Have you heard how Ace talked about Masons in that Mafias #1 targets thread? It's because they're confirmed so easily. A confirmed townie is valuable, and that's just 1 person less to shoot at. Furthermore, even hitting a townie can give us a lot of information for our first official lynch. It also gives us new information to re-evaluate our thoughts. If he dies because mafia stacks, all the better. This means, if we miss, we killed 1 extra townie day 1, but also saved 1 extra townie night 1. Pretty even. If the Day Vig doesn't shoot, there is a chance that he gets sniped night 1, especially with all the talk about him. I think it's beneficial to have him shoot. The problem is... is there a Day Vig? o.O K so he's for the plan, but he WANTS TO LYNCH FOR INFORMATION. NEVER LYNCH FOR INFORMATION HOLY SHIT. He also say's that it's good that the confirmed townie will die...which was the whole issue with the plan. On August 02 2011 09:08 ghrur wrote: Yup, and if Mafia shoots player Y, and player Y dies, then clearly the medic isn't a medic but is mafia. :/ So if mafia tries to be medic, it effectively hurts them. Still supports the plan, but here he actually makes a nonsensical point. Nobody was suggesting the mafia would claim protecting someone and then shoot them instead... On August 03 2011 17:35 ghrur wrote: Yeah, I do. I played with Drazerk AA and he acted the same way. If I recall, it was basically a "Lynch Wiggles" post and then afk. I'm down for either varpulis or Kenpachi. I don't get why sandroba's supposed to have seemed town. I mean, looking back on the plan, I realize it's incredibly bad. and this post by sandroba docH, how is the simple fact that it's no longer day1 is going to make lynches more acurate down the line? If we can speed up the process and basically skip night 1 how is it possibly bad for town? What? He knows better than this. So the plan basically becomes let's out the dayvig and give mafia a free blue. :/ This is his very next post. Disagrees with a Drazerk lynch, and gives fucking awful meta reason to do so. This is not like AA at all lol. Here is the most important thing though. His last 3 posts were all behind the plan 100%!!! But now, with no explanation apart from, the plan sucks. He comes out and calls Sandroba scummy and says the plan is terrible. Did your mafia buddies tell you to do this in the QT???? On August 04 2011 07:21 ghrur wrote: Don't be a pessimist. I support the shooting of JeeJee He hasn't mentioned JeeJee at all before, yet posts saying he wants him shot with NO REASONING. also SCUMSLIP ALERT SCUMSLIP ALERT SCUMSLIP ALERT He says Don't be a pessimist in response to YM saying that scum is getting worse. Actual "scumslips" are very rare, but i'm fairly certain I just found one. On August 04 2011 08:19 ghrur wrote: Redff: Yes, I understand lynching for information was bad. I was making the point that losing 3 townies is losing 3 townies until I realized day-vigis get 2 shots so we still effectively lose a vigi, and later shots are more accurate. Why did I change positions? I argued with DrH about this in Mafia IRC and reconsidered my position. Neither was I... I was stating how fake-claims by mafia would hurt them under the plan... Like, do you not understand that that was a continuation of thought from what Curu said? >_> Also, you're tunneling by the third "point." Did you not read "looking back?" I re-evaluated my position. Would you like to hear why I realize it's a bad plan? A. It lures out a confirmed townie and ends up with him getting shot. B. We lose a vigi shot early with the opportunity cost of getting a better shot later on. C. Vigis get 2 shots, so even if Dayvig dies, it's not a confirmed townie that dies, but a confirmed blue. D. Instead of ending up with 3 greens dead if mafia stacks, we end up with 2 greens dead and 1 blue dead. Much worse. So what does this effectively do? Lure out a blue for mafia to kill! Why would Sandroba suggest such a plan then! Why was I stupid enough to support it? Because I was stupid. I never mentioned JeeJee before... except in IRC and talking about it to TAA. Guess what? I also find Munk-E scummy but I've never mentioned him before in thread either. I don't post everything I think. K, so first of all he said he re-evauluated his position, but at the time gave no reasons why, just "realized it was a bad plan" After i call him out on this though he regurgitates a bunch of reasons already made multiple times in the thread. GJ DUDE. K apparently he's been doing lots of scumhunting and has thought about JEEJEE and MUnk-e but is not posting it in the thread. I SWEAR GUYS IVE BEEN ACTIVELY SCUMHUNTING AND THINKING ABOUT PLAYERS BUT I WONT POST MY THOUGHTS IN THE THREAD. This is ridiculous, here's where it gets really awesome. Then i posted this On August 04 2011 08:23 redFF wrote: lol ur scum I got called scummy for talking about stuff on the public irc channel, your talking about all your reads in pms to a couple of people. that is scummy as fuck. Please post your thoughts on both JeeJee and Munk-E. you have 10 minutes because if you already talked about it to other then i assume you will be able to post about it.. On August 04 2011 08:25 ghrur wrote: What? I talked about it in the public IRC channel except for TAA whom i just talked in IRC privately. And to be honest, I don't really care. Lol. I'm not gonna bullshit an analysis in 10 minutes to protect you so you can tunnel me harder. It wouldnt be bullshit if you have already discussed these players in length outside the thread would it? Stalling for time mr.scum.... On August 04 2011 11:32 ghrur wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 04 2011 08:53 redFF wrote: alanismorisette: ghrur ur mafia too stfu [7:57pm] alanismorisette: post that analysis [7:57pm] alanismorisette: its not bullshit if you have already discussed it with people [7:57pm] alanismorisette: just post what you talked about with them [7:57pm] alanismorisette: quick! [7:57pm] ghrur: It's been past 10 minutes [7:57pm] ghrur: My deadline is gone [7:58pm] ghrur: and I wanna play basketball [7:58pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:58pm] ghrur: Besides, I already said [7:58pm] chaos13 joined the chat room. [7:58pm] ghrur: I didn't save the chat log [7:58pm] alanismorisette: doesnt matter [7:58pm] ghrur: Ask TAA if he has it [7:58pm] alanismorisette: just post the gist of ur position on them [7:58pm] alanismorisette: easy [7:58pm] alanismorisette: just do that for me [7:58pm] ghrur: Sure, I'll do it [7:58pm] ghrur: But I'd rather play basketball [7:58pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:58pm] ghrur: I'll post it afterwards kay? [7:58pm] alanismorisette: do it please [7:58pm] alanismorisette: no [7:58pm] alanismorisette: now [7:58pm] ghrur: No, real life > mafia [7:58pm] alanismorisette: im sorry but everyone is seeing this right [7:59pm] alanismorisette: it will take [7:59pm] alanismorisette: like 5 minutes [7:59pm] alanismorisette: dude [7:59pm] youngmin: i'm laughing my ass off [7:59pm] alanismorisette: you could have finished it by now [7:59pm] ghrur: ??? YM? [7:59pm] ghrur: Cya later [7:59pm] ghrur: <3 [7:59pm] alanismorisette: but instead you are gonna go think about it [7:59pm] ghrur: I'll post it after [7:59pm] youngmin: lolololol [7:59pm] alanismorisette: then post it [7:59pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:59pm] ghrur: Yes, I didn't need to think about my defense [7:59pm] ghrur: <3 [7:59pm] ghrur: Cya [8:00pm] alanismorisette: ... fuck this guy HAHAHAHAHAHA, sorry red. xD No, I really did go play basketball, hahaha. I didn't mean any ill will. Hahahaha. I'm glad YM had a good laugh though. Besides, 10 minutes had passed and nothing happened.  Anyway, down to business. Why Munk-E? + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [monk-e's analysis] + On August 03 2011 07:21 Munk-E wrote: Below is some analysis of varpulis' posts i'll do more people later. Here he says to not shoot day 1, unless you want to that is, then just reveal your plan forcing you to shoot anyways because you're gonna die, because you revealed your role. I don't see his opinion, because he keeps changing it in this post. at the beginning he says to not shoot, as always and it is especially important in this game, followed by him saying it's okay for dayvigs to shoot. Furthermore he tells them to claim before shooting! Claiming is a death sentence, and it means they'd have to shoot to take people down with them, because they're gonna die anyway. As an aside, does anyone know what his favorite role is? So, here he fully supports the plan again despite his own extra important rule of not shooting day 1. He first says no shooting, then says maybe IF you make sure your going to get yourself killed, and finally now he's all for it! Here he will eat his hat if his plan that he loves so much which goes against his extra important rule actually works... this is after being asked why he likes the plan after he gave his own piece of evidence against it (above)! He gives no answer. Instead, he reverts to a compromise of his beloved plan. and no varpulis, it's a 20% chance. I'm not willing to take that risk, especially because it's roughly the same odds we'll hit a blue. Here his is accusing redff for taking the position of the argument HE'S taking! (Maybe he lost track by now!) It seems like he's just trying to accuse someone for the sake of accusing! Wishy-washy doesn't even begin to explain this. He just won't make up his mind! While I'm not sure this indicates him 100% as being scum, it is VERY suspicious. Unfortunately however, I don't think it's possible to brand him as scum from JUST this. but he's certainly quite possibly scum. + Show Spoiler [missed post] + On August 03 2011 07:34 Lucidity wrote: I think you missed one of Varpulis' important posts Munk-E: Well, in his analysis of Varpulis, notice first that he misses an important post which Lucidity points out. He seemed to be doing a post-by-post style analysis (which btw, is bad), yet misses that important post? Why? To hid Varpulis's scumminess. To be nicer to his teammate. Also notice in this analysis how adamant he is with the attack on Varpulis. He uses multiple exclamation points, capitalization for emphasis, and even calls him VERY suspicious. BUT WAIT! He backs out of it. Notice: I'm not sure this indicates him 100% as being scum but he's certainly quite possibly scum. Certainly quite possibly scum. LOL. I have never seen more wishy-washyness than that. Hahaha, god. That's just backing out of it completely man. Oh, and notice how there's no vote until nearly the end of the day, probably to bus. Oh, and he never votes in the voting thread (booooooooooo). Now, on Munk-E's next analysis, his style totally changes! Someone in Loonybin pointed this out: Munk-E's posts go like this - 1. Stuff about plan. 2. Play-by-play "analysis" 3. Normal, concise analysis. How does one person's posting style change that much? I don't know, seems like he has a team behind him. Look at his arguments as well. Are they new? Are they original? Or are they just parroting OriginalName? Yeah, they're just parroting ON's analysis that Varp was wishy-washy. Note this remark too. On August 04 2011 03:53 Munk-E wrote:He seems VERY eager to get everyone's opinion on everyone, he PMed me asking my opinion on chaos and varp, to which i responded blandly and generically. I don't get why that's bad. It's good that Mig is trying to get people's opinions out and into the open. It's also good that he's pressuring people and using PMs well. Calling that scummy is just trying to stifle PMs and opinions.On August 04 2011 03:53 Munk-E wrote:I don't see why activity is a "town" thing to do. and why lurking is a mafia thing really, especially if being a lurker makes them suspected as being mafia. (Meta, huh?) Anyway, i might vote for him depending on if i think lucidity is more scummy or not Activity is of course good for town because this means we get more to analyze. Stifling activity and supporting lurking is just trying to ruin the town atmosphere. Mig did nothing wrong, even with his words, yet he's attacking him randomly. Why? Why is he also jumping from person to person and throwing out random accusations that don't even make sense? Why doesn't h vote for either of the people he analyzed? To get the town in chaos. To get votes off of Varpulis. Also, if he suspected Lucidity, why doesn't he analyze HIM instead? Now, keep this in mind when you read this: On August 04 2011 06:33 Munk-E wrote: TBH, It would have been a toss up between varp and lucid for me, but I haven't done proper analysis of lucid, so voting for him would look VERY suspicious. I think both are scum anyway. Where is Mig in this equation? Why wouldn't he mention Mig if he did a full blown analysis calling him suspicious? That makes no sense... unless he did it just to seem town. If he found Lucid suspicious, he should've analyzed Lucidity first instead of going after Mig. Unless he's just trying to cast doubt, out one of our top scumhunters, seem town in the process through analysis posts, and end up not voting for them until the end of the day. :/ Yeah, seems about right. Now, onto JeeJee. + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2011 01:41 JeeJee wrote: pressure votes are stupid, where did this trend come from? you know when you say "yeah this is a pressure vote", that's pretty much equivalent to "idk who to vote so i'm voting you, but i'm not actually suspicious of you because all you need to do is say something and i'll remove my vote from you". nobody can seriously feel threatened from a pressure vote, so there's no 'pressure' it's just a throwaway vote Okay, this post was stupid. yes, pressure votes are bad. No, you do not need to point them out. If the person being pressured doesn't know this, they might slip up. Now that he knows this, the chances are lessened. Why would you post this? It provides no benefit to town, and only serves to help mafia. I'm not arguing against the logic here, but the purpose. It serves no good purpose. i see re-evaluation there, not wishy-washiness. do you see otherwise? random fos are just as useless as pressure votes. sandro and varp are both bad in that department as far as i'm concerned. by itself though, it doesn't mean much, and there's nothing else yet. as for me, i don't have scum leanings on anyone. town leans yes, scum leans no. Defense of Varp, and aside from that, no information really. I mean, he seems to suspect YM at this point, but doesn't say anything about it. Not even a scum lean? Really? Hmmmmm, Idk. still not voting, but i'll be here before the deadline tomorrow, no worries. Wishy washyyyyyyyyyyy. Yeah... why would you call someone scum and then not vote? I don't know. On August 03 2011 12:42 JeeJee wrote: actually screw it let's get the ball rolling. anyone disagree with drazerk as a candidate? Why would you ask if other people disagree? Who cares if other people disagree? You still push them anyway. They'll voice their disagreements anyway. Do you need town's permission or something? No! So why all the caution? Serves no purpose. On August 04 2011 05:14 JeeJee wrote: i still think the case against varp is terrible. it's pretty much equivalent to redff's case, which is equally bad. drazerk is still deliberately avoiding this thread while posting in others but sadly not enough people care. seems to be off to a wonderful start. This is just saying, yes, you lynched a mafia, but you're still not off to a good start. It doesn't mean much. Well, why wouldn't it? We lynched scum, we have voting records, and we have defenses. He defended Varp. He's trying to justify it in this post. He's trying to throw off suspicion. I don't like it. He also shifts the attention off the Varp lynch and onto Drazerk again. Why do that? The lynch means a lot since a red just died. Focus on it. :/ Seems like he's throwing doubt around with that remark. After waiting a couple of hours to actually make analysis's of these 2 players. He basically regurgitates what others (BC) have said about jeejee and then calls pbpas bad and does 2 lol. All his points about other players being scum come down to them being "wishy washy". Shitty post. Shitty analysis. More evidence as to how these guys are scumbuddies. On August 05 2011 02:52 ghrur wrote:He also calls him out for being wishy-washy, against meta, and scummy. Meanwhile, he says Drazerk's meta doesn't fit his scum. Idk why a vote wasn't placed on Varp by him unless he is scum. That's literally the only way you scumhunt and all the reasons you use for calling people scum and then you call someone else out on it. Please read and reread this this bitch be mafia broz ##Vote Ghrur | ||
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i think taa is just cocky shitty town. he thinks he played well in arkham so now thinks he is BOSSMODE and is trying to do some retarded shit because he thinks he is the greatest mafia player in the world. Town read imo. LaL isn't good when its fairly clear its just some newbie who thinks he is hot shit. | ||
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On August 04 2011 04:43 Barundar wrote: Activity level has been so low all day, and varpulis defense so bad, that I don't think he can be scum. Of luci drazek and JeeJee, JeeJee seems like the scummiest to me. #Vote JeeJee That is not a good reason to vote. On August 04 2011 09:33 Barundar wrote: Mig was the one starting the case on varpulis, posting the initial analysis and pressuring him through the day. I consider ON and DrH town as well though. As a side note Trotske is most likely town based on Varpulis' FoS. I wouldn't DT check JeeJee or BC, if mafia they are most likely to be the godfather. why because you know one of them will come back as mafia??? talk more please. | ||
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On August 05 2011 09:55 Drazerk wrote: ##vote: JeeJee Reasons stated earlier in the thread. Going to bed keep posting IRC discussions. nope you dont get to do that why are you voting shinbi? | ||
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On August 05 2011 07:33 redFF wrote: Here's what i think of taa. i think taa is just cocky shitty town. he thinks he played well in arkham so now thinks he is BOSSMODE and is trying to do some retarded shit because he thinks he is the greatest mafia player in the world. Town read imo. LaL isn't good when its fairly clear its just some newbie who thinks he is hot shit. This is what TAA is, not scum. | ||
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The Lucidity case is based on JeeJee flipping red IMO, since if he wasn't actually Mafia trying to save Varpulis then it's a null tell. Can we actually stop saying this. Nobody is scum/town because any other person flipped scum/town. All that leads to is wifom. | ||
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On August 06 2011 03:44 Mig wrote: I was going to wait for chaos and sevryn to show up before I posted this but half way through and they are still awol so gonna post it so everyone can discuss. One of JeeJee/Bc is pretty much guaranteed scum. DrH, BC, JeeJee have all claimed medic to me. I talked with BC, ON and DrH who have experience hosting and the odds that there are 3 medics 1 vet in a 20 man game, even with 2 rbers, is virtually none. I trust DrH so I am fairly confident he is telling me the truth. So we can almost guarantee that one of BC/JeeJee is lying. The case against JeeJee is much stronger I believe. He A) defended Varp right after I made the first case against him B) he put virtually 0 effort into contributing analysis and scum hunting, yet when people call him out he comes in and defends himself strongly. So the current plan should be to lynch JeeJee and if he flips red we can try to work out the best plan for the medics, probably something like one defends me one defends the other medic. Assuming JeeJee flips red then the other 2 scum are very likely between YM/Chaos/Sevryn/Lucid Ok yeah then i'm fine with a JeeJee lynch. Was their any reason to out all the medics tho? Also JeeJee who did you protect? | ||
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On August 06 2011 06:17 Barundar wrote: Sevrin the problem is you are the most invisible poster in the thread, I can't remember anything of your stances or posts, neither good or bad. If you are town you should try and be more active and involved. For an example you could look into YM and chaos13? reminds me of someone | ||
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On August 06 2011 11:34 ghrur wrote: You do realize no matter what he flips we're going to kill you right? Like, how can any townie be so sure of another person's role/alignment so as to say he'll DT check green and flip green? At best, it's mafia trying to gain town cred. At worst, it's just mafia trying to protect the godfather. no... | ||
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On August 07 2011 09:31 Munk-E wrote: Wait... I just realized the mafia still has a RB... this means that 1 medic is sure to die. By just realized you mean you looked at your role pm right? | ||
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On August 02 2011 21:04 syllogism wrote: No one is confirmed scum until they flip. You even go on to say red checks can be millers or the DT fake claiming; vigs should be shooting at people they believe are likely scum. Overall I'm not a huge fan of this post as you joined the anti-sandroba plan wagon quite late, you cover all the angles without really taking a strong position and the part about DTs fake claiming feels a bit forced. On August 08 2011 03:51 syllogism wrote: Not much to add. 5 vets would be absurd even with 2 RBs ##vote Munk-E So then one of the remaining claimed vets is scum then right? | ||
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YEAH FO'SURE LETS MISLYNCH AGAIN. | ||
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On August 08 2011 12:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel like this is some weird medic/vig/dtless setup, with just a bunch of vets. Continue lynching based on post analysis, town outnumbers mafia so greatly that we can afford to do that. If we hit a dead end, come back to the mig circle (mig/me/bc/syllo) and start doing some digging. I agree, lets have some ym/chaos13/lucid/whoever you think is scum analysis people. | ||
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On August 08 2011 16:08 Barundar wrote: Let's have a look: DrH: Pushed varp then godfather. Claimed hit last night. BC: Voted for godfather day 1. Claims roleblock last night. Mig: Lead the varp lynch. Claims hit night 1. Syllogism: Has clearly been working closely with Mig day 1. Has been pushing for both Varp and JeeJee. I trust Mig's judgement on this one. How is any of them not confirmed? Then we have lucid claiming. He is by no means confirmed, but the timing of his claim makes no sense from a scum perspective. If he just learned about Munk-E being vet, claiming vet himself would be the stupidest thing to do. It's way more likely that he just saw a problem with the logic that let to the Munk-E lynch, aka: 5 vets is stupid, lynch liar lol. Anyway mafia can kill anyone they want tonight with roleblock + kp combo. Mig I hope you give all information to one of the other confirmed towns. YM+chaos13 still seems by far the most likely scum combo. Explain this statement! | ||
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On August 09 2011 00:44 Mig wrote: 3 things 1) I claimed vet to syllo before n1. So he could have rbd and killed me but instead I was just shot. 2) he knew about the fake plan and it succeeded. 3) he knew about all the vet claims before JeeJee claimed. So he would have warned JeeJee not to claim medic most likely. Do any of these things 100% prove syllo is town? No. But combined the odds that he did all 3 as scum are very very low. On August 09 2011 00:47 Mig wrote: DrH did tell me that he told YM that he was a vet day 1. So that confuses things a bit. He may have believed Doc was just lying to him tho, I can't say for sure. Either way YM is still a good candidate but Chaos/lucid are both very good candidates as well. So they both knew about the fakeplan, and it succeeded. K thanks, more stuff on ym please this aint enough. | ||
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On August 09 2011 13:20 Curu wrote: Well Town, let's get off fucking IRC where everyone just talks about FF6 and cooking and dead RedFF is the MOST ACTIVE PERSON. I mean when a person who can't say anything about the game is the most active in the IRC it's clearly useless. It's true, im lonely. | ||
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