TL Mafia XLIII

On August 02 2011 06:51 Mig wrote:
I agree with san's plan. The main benefits of the double lynch are 1) extra information right away. 2) everyone can claim to a confirmed townie so that townie can organize the blues for n1.

And forcing all the blues to claim to the day vig puts the mafia in a shitty situation. Either A) they can not claim at all to him and then he can direct the other vigs to just shoot into the much smaller pool of vanilla townies or B) they can risk trying to claim blue roles and outing themselves because the # of roles is suspicious, for example if 3 vets claimed.

On August 02 2011 07:26 Mig wrote:
No just tell the vigs who to hit, medics who to protect, dts who to check. All he has to do is make sure nobody is overlapping or shooting each other. As long as the day vig doesn't reveal anything else mafia isn't going to gain very much information from it.

On August 02 2011 09:56 Varpulis wrote:

Wait wait wait

You're promoting the a plan where vigs just shoot without claiming, and kill townies for information.

FoS.

On August 02 2011 19:35 Lucidity wrote:
Haha, I guess I was still in the Asylum mindset with mass blue everywhere - somehow thought that all 7 blue roles listed would be in the game. ~4 blues make sense and we're very unlikely to have 2 medics in that, so a plan to coordinate them this early isn't actually that great.

I think the only time that we should be claiming is if Mafia only have 1 KP left or if a Day Vig hits a Vet, leaving us with 2 confirmed townies. One of them will survive the night and be able to pass on info~

redFF, forever RED?

On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote:

I got called out for wishy washiness in PTP (day 1) as well. Day 1 nothing is solid, there's rarely anything to base arguments off of until late in the day, and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum. I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet.

By the way, if we're going ahead with the plan, could we have a soldier/sniper claim? If there are none we need to reevaluate.

On August 02 2011 23:07 Trotske wrote:


As you will know from this post



If a day vig trys to hit someone and they survive we have no way of knowing if they are both scum or a vig / vet .


No idea if you weren't reading the posts or just scum trying to slip this idea in to see if anyone would catch it.

FoS Lucidity

On August 03 2011 05:12 Lucidity wrote:
YM and others:

Can you please stop going on about a mass roleclaim TO A CONFIRMED TOWNIE being a bad thing? It's getting tiresome.

On August 03 2011 06:34 heist wrote:
Trotske





Varpulis has a right to be suspicious. I don't know why he isn't being so heavily pressured for this plan. He is asking the sniper to kill someone night 1 based solely on his gut reads and not claim the kill at all. Not to mention the fact that with a possibility of more than 1 vig, it'll be hell to sort out the day post. Also town will not be held accountable since we will not be voting on who to kill. All the drawbacks of an early vig hit with none of the upsides of a confirmed townie or information from the votes.

Will waiting till the sniper is a vanilla townie do him any good at surviving? No. He argues to wait till day 3 for the confirmed townie. But he still advocates an early vig hit. It's like taking the worst of both worlds: early vig hit, later/delayed confirmed townie, no way of protecting the confirmed townie anyways. And his reasoning? He reiterates the merits of a double lynch, which does us no good. It doesn't support his alternate plan in any way in comparison to the original.



Clear contradiction here. He doesn't want the day vig to claim before we know where we want the dayvig to aim. Yet he's totally fine with the sniper shooting someone on his own night 1?




He makes a very very weak FoS accusation. He doesn't simply try to correct his misunderstanding but capitalizes on it to push forward a lynch based on very shaky foundations. His entire reasoning is based off one thought. His entire suspicions rest solely through the interpretation that this one thought is a sneaky attempt to push scum agendas.

On August 03 2011 22:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I wouldn't mind a DT on munk-e or heist. Heist is the inactive player that sits wrongly with me but that all depends on how varpulis flips. His attack on trotske screamed "chainsaw" to me. I didn't really agree too much with the points he had made either, they were fairly weak.

On August 04 2011 22:29 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
cb and jeejee could both be scum, this is chaos 13


protecting mig (might be a scum hug of dead)



fossing for very weak reasons


for very weak reasons voting on drazerk, a trend weve been seeing with all scummy people.
Imo chaos is very likely scum. He hasnt formed a real opinion the whole game the 2 people he accused were munk e for not delivering and drazerk for lurking.
Also there was a logical flaw in why he accused drazerk namely that people thought he drazerk scum because of the lurking, but chaos went a step further by saying drazerk is scum BECAUSE hes lurking AND hes lurking on top of that so he was more scummy then varp. ( he counted the lurking twice)
imo there is a clear line between jee jee and chaos, both calling out drazerk for lurking. Its their talking point.
If there are vigis in the house hit one of those two, you cant miss.