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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 01 2011 00:53 GMT
#3
/in

Yea pms!
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 01 2011 10:38 GMT
#27
When do you think the game will probably start kurumi?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 01 2011 10:43 GMT
#29
I would prefer 7:00 KST.

And start asap!
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 01 2011 13:46 GMT
#46
<3 kurumi

When will role pms be sent out?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 01 2011 18:49 GMT
#72
/confirm
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 01 2011 20:24 GMT
#101
I will be in #loonybin on IRC and I will be pming most people. Everyone should hang out in the town's IRC whenever they are free. Townies should be pming people and talking on irc as much as possible. It is much easier for mafia to slip up and reveal themselves than it is for a townie to give away any vital information. So don't be afraid to be active and talk to people.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 01 2011 21:51 GMT
#120
I agree with san's plan. The main benefits of the double lynch are 1) extra information right away. 2) everyone can claim to a confirmed townie so that townie can organize the blues for n1.

And forcing all the blues to claim to the day vig puts the mafia in a shitty situation. Either A) they can not claim at all to him and then he can direct the other vigs to just shoot into the much smaller pool of vanilla townies or B) they can risk trying to claim blue roles and outing themselves because the # of roles is suspicious, for example if 3 vets claimed.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 01 2011 22:18 GMT
#128
As long as the confirmed townie doesn't share the blue role list with anyone I don't see what the problem is.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 01 2011 22:26 GMT
#131
No just tell the vigs who to hit, medics who to protect, dts who to check. All he has to do is make sure nobody is overlapping or shooting each other. As long as the day vig doesn't reveal anything else mafia isn't going to gain very much information from it.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 01 2011 22:46 GMT
#138
Right who cares if the mafia double stacks? That is great for us.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 02 2011 14:52 GMT
#230
Varpulis looks the most scummy to me so far.

Initially in IRC he was extremely against sandroba's plan.

[14:31] 24 hours in? no no no no.
[14:32] i've got a solution: shoot bc AND sand
[14:32] 24h isnt enough but otherwise it's not awful
[14:32] wait until day 2 at the least.
[14:33] how often does the day 1 lynch hit scum? not so often. A day 1 double lynch is a HORRIBLE idea


However once he posts in the thread his opinion goes from strong to neutral and wishy washy. His posts contributed nothing and were extremely bland/common advice.

Along with that he completely misinterprets trotske's post here to cast a very weak Fos on him.

On August 02 2011 09:56 Varpulis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 09:46 Trotske wrote:
If you use the sniper as a second lynch but don't have him claim until he is out of kills he can't get taken out until he is just a normal townie.

And since the sniper would be acting on the towns behalf it would show you who was pushing really hard for the vig shot on a townie. and let you reexamine what the townie who got shot had said because he was now a confirmed townie.

Wait wait wait

You're promoting the a plan where vigs just shoot without claiming, and kill townies for information.

FoS.


So basically this game Varp has promised some pro town ideas while not actually contributing anything to the town. Has strong opinions in IRC when people aren't around but is afraid to take a strong stance in the thread. And instead of making a real case against anyone he casts a very weak suspicion on trotske with poor reasoning.

##Vote Varpulis

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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 02 2011 17:09 GMT
#233
On August 03 2011 01:41 JeeJee wrote:
pressure votes are stupid, where did this trend come from? you know when you say "yeah this is a pressure vote", that's pretty much equivalent to "idk who to vote so i'm voting you, but i'm not actually suspicious of you because all you need to do is say something and i'll remove my vote from you".
nobody can seriously feel threatened from a pressure vote, so there's no 'pressure' it's just a throwaway vote


JeeJee you are correct on this point but what exactly does pointing it out contribute? You have 2 posts and both of them while correct are bland and useless. You commented on pressure votes and neglected to comment on whether you actually thought varp was scummy or not.

Who do you think is scum? What do you think about the 2 leading candidates varp/red?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 02 2011 17:43 GMT
#236
Varp every post you make screams wishy washy to me. Where is the confident Varpulis I have played with in the past? Every opinion you give you list the pros and cons and then you end up taking a pretty neutral stance. I haven't seen you have a strong opinion of anything yet.

If you had to vote for someone right now who would it be for and why? Do you find anyone besides red scummy?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 02 2011 18:19 GMT
#239
On a side note I find it strange when people say they aren't suspicious of anyone, I am not sure if it makes you scummy or lazy town. Mafia is a game where everyone is guilty until proven innocent. 3 pages in and I can find reasons to suspect half the town.

So even with all your experience JeeJee you can't find anyone who stands out as scummy so far? Really?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 02 2011 19:53 GMT
#259
I have a pretty simple defense. People should actually read my posts. Where have I backed down after putting pressure on people? What mafia objectives have I pushed? Look at the questions I asked varp and JeeJee. Was I trying to slander them or cast suspicion on them to look like I was fake contributing? Or was I asking legitimate questions that the town should be asking.

The town has almost no activity and I am actively trying to get people to post in IRC. What a scummy thing for me to do! I have pmd half the people in town asking them for their opinions. And I have no problem with giving my opinions on people. No one has to force me to contribute.

So just ask yourself if my play is helping the town or helping mafia. If you think I am helping mafia feel free to lynch me.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 02 2011 19:54 GMT
#263
On August 03 2011 04:49 Lucidity wrote:

Mig's going crazy at people for not providing great posts on IRC, yet he's not doing what he's hounding others to do? Scum often employ such strategies. What's the dealio, yo?


I have more posts than almost anyone in the thread lol? Including writing the most coherent case against Varp. Find someone who has made a stronger case than that in this thread.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 02 2011 19:56 GMT
#264
On August 03 2011 04:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

youre asking everyone to contribute but you aren't contributing anything except bad arguments in irc


Feel free to find someone who has contributed more than I have in the thread.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 03 2011 16:49 GMT
#389
I think Varp is still the best lynch candidate. Varp is on summer vacation right now so he doesn't have school and because of this he told us he was going to be very active. Instead once the bandwagon was started on him he pretty much disappeared. Varp in my experience seems the type who is willing to fight hard about his innocence. In mafia XXXIX townies not defending themselves pretty much cost us the game. Post game here is his comment on that subject.

On May 30 2011 12:37 Varpulis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2011 12:33 chaos13 wrote:
On May 30 2011 12:30 Mig wrote:

Also please for the love of god if you are town defend yourself. Do not just disappear and do not vote for yourself.


This, so much.

QFFT.

Why is there an extra F? because it stands for Quoted For Fucking Truth.

If it's early game and it's bad evidence, let it slide if nobody paid attention to it. If you're the leading lynch, especially if you're blue, try to convince everybody of that. Argue incessantly. Do what kita did, pretty much. he played town better than elm/ABO did.


So it just seems out of character for Varp to disappear like this instead of fighting to survive if he were innocent.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 03 2011 22:48 GMT
#437
BC/sandroba/syllo/myself/curu were all in a skype circle.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 04 2011 22:03 GMT
#548
Who shot trotskeeeeeeeeee
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 04 2011 22:03 GMT
#550
I was shot btw

champion!

Nice read btw YM. SCREAMING SCUM
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 04 2011 22:05 GMT
#555
vet
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 04 2011 22:21 GMT
#564
The only scenario where I could be mafia is one where I bussed varp hard and then decided to double stack trotske of all people so I could fake claim vet lol. If mafia were going to try to double stack they would have done it on a high priority target - ON/DrH.

If people don't feel comfortable claiming to me then don't but the realistic odds of me being mafia are almost 0.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 04 2011 22:39 GMT
#568
Ok I really need any blues out there to claim to me. If anyone who is blue can claim to me there is a good chance that we have caught a liar.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 05 2011 13:40 GMT
#621
So who do you plan on voting for today lucid and who do you think makes up the entire scum team?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 05 2011 13:56 GMT
#622
Don't disappear on me lucid!

I would also really like to hear who chaos intends on voting for today.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 05 2011 17:42 GMT
#636
Why is this being argued? It is pointless. How about you actually tell us who you think the scum are lucid.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 05 2011 18:44 GMT
#638
I was going to wait for chaos and sevryn to show up before I posted this but half way through and they are still awol so gonna post it so everyone can discuss.

One of JeeJee/Bc is pretty much guaranteed scum.

DrH, BC, JeeJee have all claimed medic to me. I talked with BC, ON and DrH who have experience hosting and the odds that there are 3 medics 1 vet in a 20 man game, even with 2 rbers, is virtually none. I trust DrH so I am fairly confident he is telling me the truth. So we can almost guarantee that one of BC/JeeJee is lying. The case against JeeJee is much stronger I believe. He A) defended Varp right after I made the first case against him B) he put virtually 0 effort into contributing analysis and scum hunting, yet when people call him out he comes in and defends himself strongly. So the current plan should be to lynch JeeJee and if he flips red we can try to work out the best plan for the medics, probably something like one defends me one defends the other medic.

Assuming JeeJee flips red then the other 2 scum are very likely between YM/Chaos/Sevryn/Lucid
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 05 2011 18:55 GMT
#639
Oh I should also mention JeeJee was the last one to claim to me. ON/drh/bc all knew of the medic claims before JeeJee said anything. So if JeeJee is red there is virtually 0% chance those guys can be mafia. They would have warned him not to claim medic to me.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 05 2011 19:57 GMT
#651
Realistically one of jeejee/bc has to die. The claims right now just do not make sense. It isn't possible for us to have this combination of blue roles.

I don't have a problem with you defending yourself jeejee but it becomes a problem when you are willing to put a lot of effort into your defense but no effort into finding the scum. BC made a strong case against you today. You haven't made a strong case against anyone the entire game.

But if JeeJee does flip medic we will know that BC should die next.

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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 05 2011 20:30 GMT
#658
Your reaction to this doesn't really make sense to me as a townie JeeJee. You haven't even addressed the fact that we have 3 medic claims. You have told me you think drh and BC are town aren't you confused about which one of them could be lying? You don't seem to even care lol. It looks a lot more like you are basically just laying down to die right now.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 06 2011 20:19 GMT
#708
munke you need to put your vote in only 1.5 hours until deadline
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 06 2011 21:15 GMT
#726
If both medics protect each other mafia will just shoot me lol. So have one medic protect me one protect the other medic.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 06 2011 22:18 GMT
#746
Munke/YM should be killed next.

Mafia should probably just concede.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 07 2011 02:27 GMT
#759
It was on msn basically he said bc/drh town. Chaos/barundar/draz scum
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 07 2011 17:04 GMT
#777
gogo majority lynch
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 07 2011 18:45 GMT
#784
Best plan ever!
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 07 2011 18:49 GMT
#790
Ok can reveal everything now. BC/syllo/drh all claimed Vet to me. After that jeejee claimed medic lol. So it was extremely obvious we didn't have 4 vets and medic. So told a lie that bc/drh were medics in the hopes that mafia shoots one of them and doesn't shoot me. So whichever one of them was shot should be another 100% confirmed townie.

Then late last night munkee claimed to also be Vet to me lol. So unless we have 5 vets munkee is almost guaranteed scum. From talking with ON/BC they think 5 vets is extremely unlikely. So vote and kill munkee.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 07 2011 19:23 GMT
#800
Yea considering the plan worked and mafia actually shot drh/bc I think syllo/drh/myself/bc/ON are about as close to confirmed as you can get before people die, since we were the only ones who knew about the plan. So if there is a fake vet claim it almost certainly came from munke. If munke actually flips Vet we can reconsider and question whether one of the others is lying or if we actually had 5 vets. But having more vets than there are mafia seems unbalanced.

##Vote: Munk-E
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 07 2011 19:28 GMT
#802
Oh who told red about the plan?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 07 2011 19:31 GMT
#804
On August 08 2011 04:30 OriginalName wrote:


Me i was testing him abit before the lynch went through.


Loose lips sink ships ON!
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 07 2011 19:55 GMT
#809
Lucid has also claimed Vet in irc lol.

Drh did you take a hit last night?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 07 2011 19:58 GMT
#814
Use xchat it is free and very easy. Took me like 30 seconds to dl it and get on.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 07 2011 20:04 GMT
#815
Lynch lucid Lynch munke. I would almost be more willing to lynch lucid today because he is more likely to be the rber than munke. But I am happy with either of them dying.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 07 2011 20:36 GMT
#826
Ok everything is a mess now with lucid's claim now. So lets ignore the claims for a minute and go back to lynching people based on how suspicious they were.

The original order we had for killing was YM/lucid/Sevryn/chaos. Might as well go back to lynching based on that.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 07 2011 20:59 GMT
#834
On August 08 2011 05:57 ghrur wrote:
And why is there no DT? Wtf is the point of a Spy if there is no DT? That wouldn't add up.


If there was no gf then we could guess that there was no dt in the setup. GF was just put in so we wouldn't know. Anyway kill YM!
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 07 2011 21:00 GMT
#836
Yes like you lucid.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 08 2011 15:44 GMT
#867
On August 08 2011 08:19 redFF wrote:
Mig i would like your reasoning to treating syllo as telling the truth and munk-e as lying scum.


3 things

1) I claimed vet to syllo before n1. So he could have rbd and killed me but instead I was just shot.

2) he knew about the fake plan and it succeeded.

3) he knew about all the vet claims before JeeJee claimed. So he would have warned JeeJee not to claim medic most likely.

Do any of these things 100% prove syllo is town? No. But combined the odds that he did all 3 as scum are very very low.

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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 08 2011 15:47 GMT
#868
DrH did tell me that he told YM that he was a vet day 1. So that confuses things a bit. He may have believed Doc was just lying to him tho, I can't say for sure.

Either way YM is still a good candidate but Chaos/lucid are both very good candidates as well.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 08 2011 16:56 GMT
#871
YM didn't know about the fake plan I believe. YM only knew that DrH had told him that he was a vet day 1. I told drh to tell YM that he was lying about the vet to protect himself as a medic if he was questioned. So YM could have still thought DrH was just lying to him.

Syllo on the other hand knew completely about the fake plan and what everyone's role's were.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 08 2011 17:22 GMT
#875
Yea YM is probably best I had forgotten the IRC TAA push. It is really unlike YM to try and push for a policy lynch, and it is horrible play day 2 after we have just lynched a scum.

So kill YM kill chaos kill lucid.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 08 2011 17:35 GMT
#879
Feel free to actually make a case against someone lucid. The only large analysis I have seen you do all game have been against Munk-e and Redff (town and likely town). You have argued about game mechanics 3 days into the game and repeatedly tried to cast doubt on me and the other people who are likely town. You repeatedly state one of the other Vet claims is lying but when we ask you which one you say you have no clue lol. You didn't claim vet to me until we were already onto day 3 lol because apparently I might have been running some insane master scum plan so you couldn't trust me. You bandwagoned onto varp and you have contributed nothing this entire game to help the town. And by claiming Vet now instead of after n1 when everyone else did (when it should have been insanely obvious I was town 99%+) you have managed to muddle everything and bring even more suspicion onto yourself.

Basically everything you have done this game has been scummy and has hurt the town lucid. So prove me wrong by actually providing some analysis of who is the scummiest or which of the other Vet claims is lying.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 08 2011 19:04 GMT
#894
Sevryn is someone we could consider. He has the connection to trotske day 1. He pushed for draz with jeejee. And the timing is weird. He doesn't post at all but he appears right after both day posts.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 08 2011 19:10 GMT
#895
Lucid/ym/sevryn I fine with any of the 3 dying.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 08 2011 22:01 GMT
#909
mafia hurry and shoot someone so we can turbo lynch more people plz
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 08 2011 22:12 GMT
#912
glgl town
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 12 2011 16:50 GMT
#1107
GG!

Town is unstoppable!
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 12 2011 16:53 GMT
#1108
Thanks to kurumi and palmar for hosting!
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 12 2011 20:48 GMT
#1136
There was a poll where people voted on whether to start majority lynching or not, and most wanted it. The majority lynch definitely only helped the mafia this game. Two townies were turbo lynched without much debate. The 2 mafia lynched after both had well over 24 hours of discussion before they were lynched.

I agree tho that it is unfair to change the rules in the middle of the game, but this game it certainly didn't hurt the scum team.
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