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With a troll host it won't play out the same. So I've decided that I shall only post in rhyme, A monstrous feat that will surely eat my time. Role is received and I'm ready to roll, Taking tips from Kurumi the master troll. Let's kick some ass and make that scum squirm, Locked and ready, Curu is here to /confirm! | ||
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Real time chat and no TL PM logjam, charles.suo on Skype is where I'll be at, Come add me so we can easily chat. | ||
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You don't care unless area is maggot free. You will blast them maggots when the sun is blazing hot! Day Vigi with two shots. Type ##Rocket Player in the thread to use Your ability. Kurumi/Palmar, when this guy shoots, does it get announced in thread regardless if the hit player dies or not? | ||
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There's really nothing to lose unless the confirmed player herpaderps spectacularly. We're getting him to shoot whoever we want to lynch anyways so that player is dead regardless. | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if you read my posts i provided reasons 1. we dont know if there are more than 1 doctor which is kinda important 2. mafia can stack hits to kill the vig 3. vig could shoot doctor ruining everything 4. vig will probably hit town its rare you get a mafia on day 1 much less a successful day 1 vig here ar emore reasons i havent provided yet 5. mafia can use this to keep town focused on the blue network/suspicious of other peoples claims and put attention on the vig and off of post analysis which is what wins games for town what do you consider a real reason it would be nice if instead of unconditional instant support for someone elses plan which is mildly suspicious you read my posts and if my reasons aren't good enough at least say why instead of just saying "youre scum" lol "we've already found 2 scum" its day 1 dont be ridiculous 1. Why is that important? And how does that have any effect on the plan? 2. Well good, they stack hits and kill less people then. There's no net loss from confirming a Townie. 3. Vig is shooting who we were going to lynch anyways, so if that person was a Doctor then they were dead either way. 4. See point 3. 5. This forces Mafia to fake their claims, and every role in the OP is easily confirmable, giving more chances to find scum slipping. | ||
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Since we know how much KP Mafia has I very much doubt any of them are going to be able to claim Vig. | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:54 redFF wrote: So you want one townie conducting every single vig hit/medic protect/hatter bomb? k here's an example. Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-no someone else is protecting him. now mafia know's to not hit player x. I would be more open to this plan day 2 or 3. But all i see is 2 townies getting lynched and losing a dayvig and that person most likely dying the next night. No, it goes like this: Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-stfu I choose who you protect, you'll be protecting player y Mafia-Okay... | ||
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On August 02 2011 09:20 chaos13 wrote: DrH has the right idea here. Yes, confirmed townies are excellent. However, mafia can easily fake claim a role like medic or vig, and then we would need to waste our DT checks in order to confirm those claims. Not only that, but we have no idea who the day vig actually is. If it's in the hands of a weaker player, that could lead to complete and utter disaster. Having one player coordinate all the actions of the blues is never a good thing. There is far too much room for error in such a situation, especially since mafia are able to PM and influence the game as well. Ultimately, however, it is up to the individuals with the roles to decide what to do. Discussion about this is very good, but I would rather not waste all day with it. Just something to keep in mind if we're still arguing about it in 24 hours. Vigis, because there are probably a lot of you in here: Do not shoot unless it is at confirmed scum. If you feel you must shoot anyway, take out lurkers and liars. This sort of common sense is all too often ignored, and results in dead town. Even take DT claims with a grain of salt. If analysis points to a player being town when a claimed check has shown red, proceed with caution. It could be a miller or a scum's fake claim in order to waste a vig shot, especially if the claimed DT player has been under suspicion. Fake claiming Medic acts like real Medic, because then Mafia can never hit the person they are told to protect without risking outing the fake claimer. Fake claiming Vig is terrible when we know Mafia KP, they can be caught ezpz. | ||
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On August 02 2011 11:07 Munk-E wrote: But player x is protected in this case, and they wouldn't shoot player Y! They'd shoot player Z because shooting Y would give away the role and if x was the obvious one to protect, they'd assume he was protected. That being said I highly doubt there are 2 medics anyways so if this situation does arise, I would be VERY suspicious of both of them. As for the plan, I'm quite worried about it. We would have a confirmed townie, which could be nice IF he could manage to efficiently manage the entire game. It seems a bit risky if they're not very good, they might screw it up and reveal roles. Also, the medic would be tied to defending this one person the entire time no matter what. If someone shows they are DT or vigi, then the mafia will just shoot both if we haven't killed 2 by then. In the mean time, the mafia could just kill him outright, or pick 2 people they KNOW won't be protected, and it's entirely up to them. If they do kill him, then we have (likely) 2 dead townies, and be back to square 1! No confirmed townie, just a dead guy, and the guy he killed.I kind of think that people are hoping he does hit a Mafia, but I really don't see the logic in this plan. It's more likely he'll hit someone important on our team than a mafia. In the end, i suppose it's entirely up to the dayvigi if the plan goes through, but it just seems highly illogical to me. Just pointing out this post. Hi Munk-E, got a post that isn't just rehashing what everyone else said in the thread? | ||
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On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote: and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum. I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet. Hi Varpulis, wtf? | ||
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Do a full meta analysis of Kenpachi. | ||
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IRC is inactive as fuck, Kenpachi is in this game. This shit has to stop. Everyone read all of Varpulis's and Lucidity's posts and take a stance on their lynch. | ||
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On August 03 2011 19:47 Barundar wrote: I'm suspicious of curu because of this question and answer: The purpose of the question is to figure out if mafia can fake a vigi+veteran combo, be considered confirmed town, and proceed to abuse the suggested plan. It's good thinking and doesn't say anything of his alignment as such. The problem is he asks the question, and then keeps it's significance to himself. As I see it a townie who got the idea would proceed to warn the town about it, not keep it to himself. I asked this because when we were discussing the plan in Skype someone mentioned we should get a Vig and Vet to both claim so we can confirm without anyone dying. I pointed out the flaw that Mafia could fake both, then asked Kurumi that question to confirm to them it would be a bad idea. Mig/Syllo can confirm this for me. If I were Mafia I would just be tunneling a mislynch to death right now and no one would think I was doing anything wrong. I was sure supersoft and BC were scum in the two previous games and I was wrong both times. My first instinct was entirely to tunnel DrH to oblivion; he says Mig is the scummiest player in the thread, goes on to vote Syllo instead, says Syllo is scummy for arguing on Mig's side, yet somehow calls redFF the most Pro Town player in the thread (lol?) and that he listens to OriginalName. As of now I don't like Varpulis (mostly because of the "I post to appear active not scumhunt"), JeeJee (lurker style and hasn't posted anything new), Munk-E, and somewhat youngminii. Why Munk-E? His first post was a completely useless wall of text repeating what everyone else said in the thread. Seeming to contribute without contributing anything. I called him out for it, and he got on IRC and just parroted DrH and youngminii in saying Mig was scummy. Then he posts a post-by-post wall of text on Varpulis instead, which basically said what everyone else had already said too. youngminii because he tunneled RoL for flimsy reasons in AA as scum and did nothing else, this game he's tunneling Mig for flimsy reasons. RoL and Mig are both players that scum would obviously fear, and a day 1 Mig lynch/Vig shot makes no sense because if he hasn't found scum by Day 2 that's a huge scumtell. His meta and trackrecord (nailing all scum in WaW2, AA, and one in PTP) are great for Town and terrible for scum. | ||
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Another note on Varpulis, he posted an analysis on redFF that used pretty much the exact same words and reasoning as something I brainstormed on Skype, so if he flips red then certainly someone in my Skype circle is also red. There's the chance that we just saw the exact same thing but I don't think it that likely since a lot of what I was saying came from IRC and I don't think he was even in there at the time (but I don't remember exactly). | ||
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Consider letting him die because of that and finding someone else to hit with the lynch, we have a few hours. | ||
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Do you actually think he's scummy? Why not tell us who you think is most scummy? | ||
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On August 04 2011 08:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: who was it that varp parroted curu, you mentioned that we need to know who we vig tonight He parroted me. I said the case against redFF, and Varpulis posted the exact same wording a bit later. | ||
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That's your reason. (No offense ON <3) | ||
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On August 04 2011 10:32 OriginalName wrote: Meh, Migs just proven himself reliable, im only starting to finally get in my element when it comes to town play. Well to be fair I've never played with you besides you getting killed by yongminii 6 hours into the game, but Mig's track record in WaW2/AA is fresh on my mind. | ||
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On July 07 2011 01:51 JeeJee wrote: Oh lawd. JeeJee in this game: On August 04 2011 06:38 JeeJee wrote: oh lawd. HMMMM. | ||
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It looks like someone got healed. Or Trotske got double stacked (lol nope). | ||
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"Don't respond to any pressure votes or anyone accusing you. Don't say anything unless other people start to as well." This fits in with what Varpulis and JeeJee were doing. The most damning evidence though: JeeJee in World at War 2 (scum): On July 07 2011 01:51 JeeJee wrote: Oh lawd. JeeJee in this game: On August 04 2011 06:38 JeeJee wrote: oh lawd. | ||
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He did it because he wanted to pressure JeeJee into posting a defense probably. Or to see who would object. Claiming Vig unprovoked is stupid and there's no reason Mafia would do it. No it's not helpful as Town but it's even more unhelpful as Mafia. | ||
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It's absurdly stupid for scum to do it. | ||
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On August 05 2011 10:21 youngminii wrote: If you are the DT and you checked JeeJee who turned out green, claim to Mig right away who should then post this in the thread, whereupon we lynch TAA/BC. Name 1 reason as scum TAA would want to fakeclaim Vig completely unprovoked. Vig is one of the most easily self confirmable roles in a setup where KP is known, only an idiot would fakeclaim that. | ||
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15 out 17 Town aligned players are left. 3 out of 4 Mafia team are left. Mafia KP is #/2 rounded up. Mafia KP now is 2. Where Mafia KP is down. Durr. Anything above 2 KP = oh look he was right he's a Vig. Vig is easily self confirmable. TAA fakeclaiming Vig as scum is beyond stupid. | ||
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On August 05 2011 10:40 youngminii wrote: But TAA isn't a newbie. You are worse than TAA, sorry to say. He is a relative newcomer but based on what I've seen, he's actually a very decent player. The newbie argument does not apply to TAA. You yourself agreed TAA is not a stupid new player, name one valid reason he would fakeclaim Vig as scum. On August 05 2011 10:42 OriginalName wrote: TAA is likely just an idiot townie, we had a long dissucssion on it. I highly reccommend you read both IRC logs i posted. Lucidity is my biggest scumread at the moment: Primarily because -Scum didnt try to really divert the wagon to him despite him having some votes in the middle of the day. -His reactions on IRC while could be being misrepresented say quite alot on the subject. -Keeps casting doubt on Mig despite his supposed role and all his actions during D1 (Which were quite Pro-town) I need to go over his posts one more time but it will probably be tommorrow when I have a clearer head, i sometimes find the need to step away from a game for a sec so when i come back i can reevaluate and maybe catch things i didnt find the day before etc. The Lucidity case is based on JeeJee flipping red IMO, since if he wasn't actually Mafia trying to save Varpulis then it's a null tell. | ||
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On August 05 2011 10:59 redFF wrote: Can we actually stop saying this. Nobody is scum/town because any other person flipped scum/town. All that leads to is wifom. ? Analyzing interactions and reactions to lynches is one of the best way to unearth Mafia. | ||
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On August 05 2011 10:21 youngminii wrote: If you are the DT and you checked JeeJee who turned out green, claim to Mig right away who should then post this in the thread, whereupon we lynch TAA/BC. lol the more I read this the more WTF I go. How could you possibly know what JeeJee's check would return? | ||
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On August 05 2011 21:37 Lucidity wrote: This is quite obviously wrong. It doesn't prove that he's a Vig at all. It proves that there is A Vig out there. Does it have to be TAA because he claimed? No. I don't understand why you'd make that post though. Are you trying to push the case that it's a terrible move as scum? So that it looks unlikely that TAA is scum? The logic is too obviously wrong to be a mistake o_o Do Vets and targets who were med protected get notified when they are hit? Do players get notified if they are Role Blocked? Even if they are scouts? LOL are you serious? If he claims a shot that he didn't fire, either the real Vig behind the shot shoots him next or he gets counterclaimed. Vig is one of the easiest roles to confirm. He breadcrumbs who he's going to kill, that person dies. If there's more than 2 kills the night, the person he breadcrumbed dies, and no one counterclaims him, then he's a real Vig. Yes my point is TAA fakeclaiming Vig as scum is too stupid to be believed. I love how your post coming back doesn't even mention JeeJee at all, just tries to cast doubt on Mig, BC, and me. Yet you aren't actually pushing anything either. | ||
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On August 05 2011 19:56 TheAwesomeAll wrote: if jeejee returned red i would be even more interested tbh If JeeJee returned Godfather or Townie then I would consider youngminii the best lynch for the next cycle. If he was just simple red, it looks a little less bad on YM. | ||
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On August 06 2011 01:31 Lucidity wrote: That's simply not true. He "breadcrumbs" that he's going to kill X. X dies. Mafia killed X -.- Then there's only 2 KP in the night and he's not confirmed Vig. Herp. | ||
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I don't see why TAA would freely claim Vig if he was scum when no one pressured or asked him to. | ||
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JeeJee has done NOTHING to look like Town. youngminii himself even said JeeJee is suspicious. Then he's all like yo DT's check JeeJee, you'll get a green result. Yeah no. Only thing JeeJee has going for him right now is that TAA wasn't RBed when he claimed he was going to shoot him. | ||
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That rocks. | ||
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You hear those footsteps? We comin' for you. We comin' like thunnnnnnnnnnnnder. | ||
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He went after Mig day 1 for dumb reasons. Scum youngminii went after RoL day 1 for dumb reasons. As scum he likes to tunnel who he thinks is most dangerous. He's also gone from very active to never on IRC or active in the thread anymore since his scum slip was caught. I'm more certain on youngminii than Munk-E since I think a case for Lucidity might still be possible between him and Munk-E. | ||
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You should double stack Mig. OH WAIT YOU ONLY HAVE 1 KP LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOL Why is this game so dead. | ||
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No quick death, it's the gallows for you! | ||
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I see Munk-E as less of a sure thing since Lucidity is a good shot as well, whereas youngminii is 99.99999% scum. | ||
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On August 07 2011 23:28 chaos13 wrote: Munk-E is way scummier than YM at this point. If JeeJee had flipped green then I would have been more suspicious of YM, but it turns out that his 100% conviction that JJ was green was completely incorrect, which means that the likelihood that he is a mistaken townie goes up. Notice how Munk-E became way more active after I accused him of being scum? We've got ourselves a mafia right there. I'm leaning town on lucid, and I have been since the beginning of the game. However, docH has something when he picked up on why the bandwagon wasn't redirected there. That's the only part about it that doesn't make sense. lol, JeeJee returns Townie to DT checks (he was Godfather). It's the worst possible flip for youngminii and pretty much confirmed him as Mafia. | ||
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Mig with the genius plan. Ok youngminii and Munk-E are the last two Mafia, gg. Who dies first today? | ||
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btw I suspected Munk-E before it was cool. /TAA | ||
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Has to be a stupid fakeclaiming Townie somewhere in there... | ||
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On August 08 2011 21:17 chaos13 wrote: YM for the same reasons that everyone else has stated multiple times. Curu because he is flying way under the radar, and getting by without actually contributing much (anything) in the way of analysis and scumhunting. If you do a filter on his posts and read through them all you'll see what I mean. I've been mostly discussing everything on Skype with Mig. You're calling someone else for not contributing? Seriously? Why don't you go filter your own posts? Mig suspects me because a few hours before the Varp lynch I asked him how he feels about switching to JeeJee instead. Obviously this made me look terrible after Varp flipped, but not as bad now that JeeJee has flipped too. | ||
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He wanted a policy lynch (already very unusual for him) when there was a practically guaranteed scum in our sights. He didn't contribute a single thing on JeeJee besides fiercely defending him (and his defense was: DT check him he'll return Town -> JeeJee Godfather). Even from the start of night 1 he was asking DTs to check JeeJee and Vigs to leave him alone. I don't see a better scum candidate than youngminii at this point. | ||
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Well redFF told me he suspected syllogism (who I don't think is scummy right now). Dunno if he told anyone else. And he suspected ghrur? The two things I can think of that set him apart from any other target. | ||
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Him or youngminii, I'd like to see either hang. | ||
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youngminii the Mafia Kangaroo has been lynched. | ||
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And begin discussion. chaos13/Lucidity/Sevyrn seem to be the hot topics for today. Of the Vet list, BC is my suspect. I'd also be a bit wary of Drazerk since his entire scum game in PTP was to be useless and active lurk while voting/bussing to gain Town cred. | ||
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This game is not won. Don't go into IDGAF mode. This thread needs life. I want to point out chaos: On August 02 2011 09:20 chaos13 wrote: DrH has the right idea here. Yes, confirmed townies are excellent. However, mafia can easily fake claim a role like medic or vig, and then we would need to waste our DT checks in order to confirm those claims. Not only that, but we have no idea who the day vig actually is. If it's in the hands of a weaker player, that could lead to complete and utter disaster. Having one player coordinate all the actions of the blues is never a good thing. There is far too much room for error in such a situation, especially since mafia are able to PM and influence the game as well. Ultimately, however, it is up to the individuals with the roles to decide what to do. Discussion about this is very good, but I would rather not waste all day with it. Just something to keep in mind if we're still arguing about it in 24 hours. Vigis, because there are probably a lot of you in here: Do not shoot unless it is at confirmed scum. If you feel you must shoot anyway, take out lurkers and liars. This sort of common sense is all too often ignored, and results in dead town. Even take DT claims with a grain of salt. If analysis points to a player being town when a claimed check has shown red, proceed with caution. It could be a miller or a scum's fake claim in order to waste a vig shot, especially if the claimed DT player has been under suspicion. First post jumping in extremely late on the sandroba plan issue. Feels like he just waited until sides had developed, then chose one and jumped on it. He contributed no original ideas or arguments on it, merely following what was already said in the thread. His first post was completely full of bland generic advice, in fact this entire post is the picture of appearing to contribute without actually contributing anything at all. He was pretty wishy washy on the Varpulis/Drazerk issue; he agrees that Varpulis looks worse: On August 03 2011 11:37 chaos13 wrote: I support this statement, with a slight exception. I don't like the way Varpulis is looking so far, and I would be okay with voting/lynching him. Drazerk is interesting though, and I'll consider placing my vote on him instead of Varp. Lurking is extremely scummy, especially after attempting to instigate a bandwagon on someone. I don't like the Lucidity wagon at all. Something about it just feels off to me, and I feel that Lucid has been playing pro-town, sharing thoughts and developing logical reads. In a post that is also really wishy washy and not really taking either side. He does say he finds Varpulis worse. However, when a bit of traction began picking up on the Drazerk wagon (ON and Sevyrn agree against Drazerk), this happens: On August 03 2011 21:11 chaos13 wrote: My vote today will be going on Drazerk. This is the post in which he initially accused redFF. Note the complete lack of actual evidence. It was until his suspect actually encouraged him to post the irc log that he did so, and that arrived almost 20 minutes after this quoted post. Then, as you all know, he completely disappeared while posting actively elsewhere on the site. Let's lynch ourselves a scum day 1. ##Vote: Drazerk No new evidence had been brought up, nothing else concrete, just a few people starting to lean towards Drazerk. I feel like this indicated to him it was safe to put his vote down now so, despite thinking Varpulis was worse, he goes ahead and votes Drazerk. Once JeeJee was under fire he posted no opinion on him despite that being the hot topic and instead came up with a big wall of text about Munk-E. Let's start up discussion people. ##Vote chaos13 | ||
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On August 09 2011 13:09 OriginalName wrote: Lucidity: Backs mafia plan, when reasonable evidence is posed against it trys to keep it moving by antagonizing DrH. As soon as he realizes its not going through posts a lame excuse to his change of heart. Keeps on pushing Red after a somewhat decent analysis is posted on him. (Red was Town btw). TRYS TO STYM IN THREAD DISSCUSSION. Sheeping. I point back to D2. Uses past games as reasons and he slips through again. HOLY SHIT SHEEP MORE. Fakeclaim moar. I find Lucid Scummy. Mafia plan? That thing was mostly the brainchild of Mig and sandroba. Lucidity is scummy yes but the timing of his Vet claim is so weird as scum. The motivation I thought of and discussed with Mig was if youngminii was Mafia. Lucidity could then claim Vet in the hopes that we lynch through the Vet circle and forget about youngminii. But that's clearly not the case. What do you think about chaos? | ||
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IRC is more or less the thread in realtime anyways, let's be more active here without all the spam and offtopic crap. Any discussion there also gives a free pass to anyone not in IRC, making lurkers even more dangerous. | ||
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TAA, Sevyrn, Barundar, Kenpachi, chaos if you can't put forth the effort to even post something of worth every few hours please ask to be replaced out. Losing this game after half the scum team gone by night 2 would be the most embarrassing ordeal on TL, worse than the SNMMV debacle. It's been like 18 hours and I'm still the only vote that's been cast. | ||
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-_- If we enter lylo with 3 of those Town is fucked beyond all measure. | ||
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Through his convos with him, Mig got an extreme Town vibe syllo firmly believed at the start of the game that there would be no Medics this game - JeeJee still claimed Medic syllo had a great opportunity to frame me were he Mafia: Mig had thought me suspicious, told syllo that were he to die Night 1 he should take a long look at me for being scum. syllo knew Mig was a Vet at this point but he still didn't die syllo was the only person who knew Mig was a Vet before night 1, Mig got hit without a roleblock syllo fully knew about the all Vet fake Doc plan, Mafia still fired their KP into it What I don't like about him is the extremely uninterested, defeatist attitude he's had lately since Mig died. I don't know why he's like that, but he was pretty enthusiastic, involved, and effective for the other games I've seen him in (all Town). I still want to hear what chaos has to say. It's amazing that someone who everyone agrees is scummy is suddenly off the hook because syllogism is lurking. | ||
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I'm more convinced on chaos now. His reasoning for voting syllo is even more nonsensical, and it's clear he's just doing it in an attempt to save himself. | ||
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chaos's defense was terrible, mostly for these two points: On August 10 2011 10:47 chaos13 wrote: Something felt off about lynching draz over varp. It was a gut feeling that proved right, and I'm not sure how that makes me scummy Those are the only points I can recall being brought up against me. If you guys have more questions I have the next hour or so to be active. As for my vote today, I'm leaning syllo. BC brought up some decent points, and I find it interesting that contrary to every single other lynch we have had over the past few days, we actually have someone defending him - Curu First point, he's trying to say "something felt off about lynching draz over varp" as trying to convince us he voted for Varpulis. Blatant contradiction; here's his day 1 vote: On August 03 2011 21:11 chaos13 wrote: My vote today will be going on Drazerk. This is the post in which he initially accused redFF. Note the complete lack of actual evidence. It was until his suspect actually encouraged him to post the irc log that he did so, and that arrived almost 20 minutes after this quoted post. Then, as you all know, he completely disappeared while posting actively elsewhere on the site. Let's lynch ourselves a scum day 1. ##Vote: Drazerk On August 03 2011 21:14 chaos13 wrote: Today I feel better voting for Draz The fact that he suggested syllogism, who I would have considered the most strongly Town (just through actions though, he really does need to post more), shows that he hasn't put any thought or effort into scumhunting. No new contributions, no other alternate candidates he actually thinks are scum, just a bandwagon onto the guy with the next most votes supporting an almost purely WIFOM case presented by BC. He did not come to the conclusion syllo was scum or have any scum reads of his own, he was just trying to attach onto the wagon that would save himself. | ||
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Three attempts to deflect the wagon off Varpulis day 1. First on Drazerk, then on Kenpachi, finally on JeeJee. From ON's IRC log: [23:21] <BloodyC0bbler> -_- mig was making me kinda fishy with his pushing [23:21] <BloodyC0bbler> of the damn [23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> majority lynch [23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> i hate majority [23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> so hard [23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> i just dont like [23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> when hosts [23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> push [23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> majority [23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> it gave scum huge [23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> and i mean [23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> huge bonus He knows majority lynch is awful for Town but said not.a.peep against it. He didn't try to argue it at all, he didn't try to dissuade anyone, he didn't try to save us all from our own cockiness. I invite you all to take a look at PTP2 where BC argued for 20 pages about not using a more or less confirmed DT's check because he thought that it was better for Town to rely on analysis. This is a much bigger issue than that but he made 0 effort to try to stop it. BC claims Vet. He's also the most experienced and one of the more reputed players in this game. Yet his play does not fit with that; he's been behind the scenes, silent, mostly just watching. Highly central figure with Vet power...I'd expect him to be a lot more active and visible, contributing significantly and visibly to Town. This also gave him an excuse for why he was not shot when he should be a high priority Mafia target. At the beginning of the game, syllogism, sandroba, BC, Mig, and I discussed the power roles in this game. Together, we came to the conclusion that there were no Medics. I don't know if any of you formed the same opinion, but as a group we were almost certain there were no Medics. Almost everyone was calling for the Medic on Mig or ON. Mig shouldn't have been a hit since Mafia would almost have to believe the Medic would be there, yet he still was. Mig actually used this as a "test" for me because he found me scummy when I asked him in Skype how he'd feel about switching from Varpulis to JeeJee (looked like last minute scum saving, but both flipped red so it's moot). He knew that I was one of the only players in the game that was almost sure there were no Medics so he thought if he took a hit that would point at me. Same point here applies to BC. On August 04 2011 15:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: med should protect kenpachi (never thought i'd say this) / drh / mig / curu Not a huge tell but in case there was a Medic, suggesting Kenpachi and me as protects when we were both awful protects at the time. Finally this awful wagon against syllogism. I'm beyond impressed he actually managed to convince almost half the Town syllogism was scum based on lurker behavior and WIFOM, when it was pretty clear syllo had almost bulletproof Town cred. It came at a time when chaos was the sure wagon and almost worked to get syllo lynched instead. Yes he proposed 1-1 but consider we had 3 mislynches; syllo flipping Town would be one mislynch, then he would likely convince us to hit DrH, 2 gone if Town, then finally himself. That brings us to mylo already just for clearing the Vets. Maybe he could have even convinced us to hit Lucidity before him, which would have left us in lylo. The random shots I don't see as a sign of an inexperienced Mafia team (anyone with common sense could see better shots) but more methodical. They could explain why the experienced players weren't being shot (BC himself included) and could be used to introduce misleading trails. BC was the one who knew of the Sevyrn-Trotske connection, he also first pointed out the TAA-Trotske connection. The one redeeming factor I see is that JeeJee had a Medic claim when BC was one of the group that was sure there were no Medics, but there's so much WIFOM there I wouldn't give much weight to it. If BC's plan was to bus JeeJee from the start, which seems to fit with JeeJee's general "I don't want to play I got Mafia 3 times in a row I just want to play as Town," it could make more sense. BC also pushed heavily in Skype that only one of him and JeeJee could possibly be scum, which also lends credit to the bus theory. Still, mostly WIFOM here. | ||
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Just gonna leave this here. | ||
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On August 13 2011 04:28 Ace wrote: Yea, changing rules in the middle of the game is usually a big No No. Majority lynch has pros and cons for both sides, but if you want the game to be fair overall it should be used. Players getting lynched with "most vote wins" and it's a 4 person lynch in a 20 player game is just terrible, especially for Town. Majority Lynch makes sure everyone has to discuss, and some people are going to have to hop on wagons and/or consolidate their positions to get a lynch off. Of course an indecisive Town and blaming people that hammer are devastating when using Majority Lynch since Mafia can just keep escaping lynches. I actually like majority lynches a lot more but I feel like the time limit has to be extended by a lot for it to work. Everyone has to have time to properly analyze the thread, take a stance, and make their decision. In a 48 hour deadline decisions end up getting rushed to get a lynch off. I think majority lynches are fantastic when the day deadlines are like 1 week. But a lot of people already get antsy and can't stay active with 48 hour deadlines, so in this case I think deadline lynches are a bit more balanced. | ||
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On August 13 2011 05:51 Kenpachi wrote: The majority lynch is what killed me though. i thought it would be beneficial but i lost because of it How? You had ample time to defend yourself. But all you posted was this: On August 12 2011 02:59 Kenpachi wrote: whatever | ||
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