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With a troll host it won't play out the same. So I've decided that I shall only post in rhyme, A monstrous feat that will surely eat my time. Role is received and I'm ready to roll, Taking tips from Kurumi the master troll. Let's kick some ass and make that scum squirm, Locked and ready, Curu is here to /confirm! | ||
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Real time chat and no TL PM logjam, charles.suo on Skype is where I'll be at, Come add me so we can easily chat. | ||
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You don't care unless area is maggot free. You will blast them maggots when the sun is blazing hot! Day Vigi with two shots. Type ##Rocket Player in the thread to use Your ability. Kurumi/Palmar, when this guy shoots, does it get announced in thread regardless if the hit player dies or not? | ||
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There's really nothing to lose unless the confirmed player herpaderps spectacularly. We're getting him to shoot whoever we want to lynch anyways so that player is dead regardless. | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if you read my posts i provided reasons 1. we dont know if there are more than 1 doctor which is kinda important 2. mafia can stack hits to kill the vig 3. vig could shoot doctor ruining everything 4. vig will probably hit town its rare you get a mafia on day 1 much less a successful day 1 vig here ar emore reasons i havent provided yet 5. mafia can use this to keep town focused on the blue network/suspicious of other peoples claims and put attention on the vig and off of post analysis which is what wins games for town what do you consider a real reason it would be nice if instead of unconditional instant support for someone elses plan which is mildly suspicious you read my posts and if my reasons aren't good enough at least say why instead of just saying "youre scum" lol "we've already found 2 scum" its day 1 dont be ridiculous 1. Why is that important? And how does that have any effect on the plan? 2. Well good, they stack hits and kill less people then. There's no net loss from confirming a Townie. 3. Vig is shooting who we were going to lynch anyways, so if that person was a Doctor then they were dead either way. 4. See point 3. 5. This forces Mafia to fake their claims, and every role in the OP is easily confirmable, giving more chances to find scum slipping. | ||
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Since we know how much KP Mafia has I very much doubt any of them are going to be able to claim Vig. | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:54 redFF wrote: So you want one townie conducting every single vig hit/medic protect/hatter bomb? k here's an example. Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-no someone else is protecting him. now mafia know's to not hit player x. I would be more open to this plan day 2 or 3. But all i see is 2 townies getting lynched and losing a dayvig and that person most likely dying the next night. No, it goes like this: Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-stfu I choose who you protect, you'll be protecting player y Mafia-Okay... | ||
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On August 02 2011 09:20 chaos13 wrote: DrH has the right idea here. Yes, confirmed townies are excellent. However, mafia can easily fake claim a role like medic or vig, and then we would need to waste our DT checks in order to confirm those claims. Not only that, but we have no idea who the day vig actually is. If it's in the hands of a weaker player, that could lead to complete and utter disaster. Having one player coordinate all the actions of the blues is never a good thing. There is far too much room for error in such a situation, especially since mafia are able to PM and influence the game as well. Ultimately, however, it is up to the individuals with the roles to decide what to do. Discussion about this is very good, but I would rather not waste all day with it. Just something to keep in mind if we're still arguing about it in 24 hours. Vigis, because there are probably a lot of you in here: Do not shoot unless it is at confirmed scum. If you feel you must shoot anyway, take out lurkers and liars. This sort of common sense is all too often ignored, and results in dead town. Even take DT claims with a grain of salt. If analysis points to a player being town when a claimed check has shown red, proceed with caution. It could be a miller or a scum's fake claim in order to waste a vig shot, especially if the claimed DT player has been under suspicion. Fake claiming Medic acts like real Medic, because then Mafia can never hit the person they are told to protect without risking outing the fake claimer. Fake claiming Vig is terrible when we know Mafia KP, they can be caught ezpz. | ||
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On August 02 2011 11:07 Munk-E wrote: But player x is protected in this case, and they wouldn't shoot player Y! They'd shoot player Z because shooting Y would give away the role and if x was the obvious one to protect, they'd assume he was protected. That being said I highly doubt there are 2 medics anyways so if this situation does arise, I would be VERY suspicious of both of them. As for the plan, I'm quite worried about it. We would have a confirmed townie, which could be nice IF he could manage to efficiently manage the entire game. It seems a bit risky if they're not very good, they might screw it up and reveal roles. Also, the medic would be tied to defending this one person the entire time no matter what. If someone shows they are DT or vigi, then the mafia will just shoot both if we haven't killed 2 by then. In the mean time, the mafia could just kill him outright, or pick 2 people they KNOW won't be protected, and it's entirely up to them. If they do kill him, then we have (likely) 2 dead townies, and be back to square 1! No confirmed townie, just a dead guy, and the guy he killed.I kind of think that people are hoping he does hit a Mafia, but I really don't see the logic in this plan. It's more likely he'll hit someone important on our team than a mafia. In the end, i suppose it's entirely up to the dayvigi if the plan goes through, but it just seems highly illogical to me. Just pointing out this post. Hi Munk-E, got a post that isn't just rehashing what everyone else said in the thread? | ||
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On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote: and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum. I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet. Hi Varpulis, wtf? | ||
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Do a full meta analysis of Kenpachi. | ||
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IRC is inactive as fuck, Kenpachi is in this game. This shit has to stop. Everyone read all of Varpulis's and Lucidity's posts and take a stance on their lynch. | ||
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On August 03 2011 19:47 Barundar wrote: I'm suspicious of curu because of this question and answer: The purpose of the question is to figure out if mafia can fake a vigi+veteran combo, be considered confirmed town, and proceed to abuse the suggested plan. It's good thinking and doesn't say anything of his alignment as such. The problem is he asks the question, and then keeps it's significance to himself. As I see it a townie who got the idea would proceed to warn the town about it, not keep it to himself. I asked this because when we were discussing the plan in Skype someone mentioned we should get a Vig and Vet to both claim so we can confirm without anyone dying. I pointed out the flaw that Mafia could fake both, then asked Kurumi that question to confirm to them it would be a bad idea. Mig/Syllo can confirm this for me. If I were Mafia I would just be tunneling a mislynch to death right now and no one would think I was doing anything wrong. I was sure supersoft and BC were scum in the two previous games and I was wrong both times. My first instinct was entirely to tunnel DrH to oblivion; he says Mig is the scummiest player in the thread, goes on to vote Syllo instead, says Syllo is scummy for arguing on Mig's side, yet somehow calls redFF the most Pro Town player in the thread (lol?) and that he listens to OriginalName. As of now I don't like Varpulis (mostly because of the "I post to appear active not scumhunt"), JeeJee (lurker style and hasn't posted anything new), Munk-E, and somewhat youngminii. Why Munk-E? His first post was a completely useless wall of text repeating what everyone else said in the thread. Seeming to contribute without contributing anything. I called him out for it, and he got on IRC and just parroted DrH and youngminii in saying Mig was scummy. Then he posts a post-by-post wall of text on Varpulis instead, which basically said what everyone else had already said too. youngminii because he tunneled RoL for flimsy reasons in AA as scum and did nothing else, this game he's tunneling Mig for flimsy reasons. RoL and Mig are both players that scum would obviously fear, and a day 1 Mig lynch/Vig shot makes no sense because if he hasn't found scum by Day 2 that's a huge scumtell. His meta and trackrecord (nailing all scum in WaW2, AA, and one in PTP) are great for Town and terrible for scum. | ||
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