On August 05 2011 22:35 Lucidity wrote:On August 05 2011 10:42 OriginalName wrote:On August 05 2011 10:31 youngminii wrote:On August 05 2011 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 05 2011 10:21 youngminii wrote:
To clarify:
TAA and BC spent Day 1 trying to focus fire on JeeJee.
TAA either lied or something went horribly wrong in the night actions.
BC is now trying to focus fire on JeeJee as he was one of the people being looked at yesterday.
Here is what's likely:
If TAA flips red, JeeJee should be green. BC is more likely red than green.
If JeeJee flips green, BC and TAA are both motherfucking red.
If BC flips red, JeeJee should be green. TAA is more likely red than green.
In other words, kill TAA/BC.
If you are the DT and you checked JeeJee who turned out green, claim to Mig right away who should then post this in the thread, whereupon we lynch TAA/BC.
I love that by "trying to focus fire on jeejee day 1" was actually very late into the day. Misconstrued evidence.
You also neglect to mention
If BC is green it is more than likely Jeejee is red and taa is likely green
Or if TAA is green it is more than likely jeejee is red and BC is more than likely green
Or if JeeJee flips red, TAA and BC are more than likely green.
I love that you purposely miss scenarios that are actually relevant to the argument you are trying to make.
Killing JeeJee would almost fully clear or damn two players where as killing myself or TAA doesnt fully reveal the alignment of the other two players.
Very late into the day is still during the day. Stop throwing around words to make my argument appear weaker. It still happened and you guys still tried to protect Varp.
You are absolutely aware that lynching for information comes AFTER lynching for scum. You and TAA are very likely scum in my eyes, why should I go after the information route? You are scum and you are purposely trying to weaken my argument.
TAA is likely just an idiot townie, we had a long dissucssion on it. I highly reccommend you read both IRC logs i posted.
Lucidity is my biggest scumread at the moment:
Primarily because
-Scum didnt try to really divert the wagon to him despite him having some votes in the middle of the day.
-His reactions on IRC while could be being misrepresented say quite alot on the subject.
-Keeps casting doubt on Mig despite his supposed role and all his actions during D1 (Which were quite Pro-town)
I need to go over his posts one more time but it will probably be tommorrow when I have a clearer head, i sometimes find the need to step away from a game for a sec so when i come back i can reevaluate and maybe catch things i didnt find the day before etc.
+ Show Spoiler +[17:48] <BloodyC0bbler> i suddenly like
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> your day 1 finger pointing
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> at lucidity
[17:49] <redFF1> :O
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler>
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=8#156[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler>
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=29#569[17:49] <redFF1> yeah
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> keep in mind mig
[17:49] <redFF1> i dont like him
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> isnt 100%
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> but
[17:49] <redFF1> yeah
[17:49] <redFF1> those 2 posts
[17:49] <redFF1> contradict
[17:49] <Lucidity> Mig is not a confirmed townie
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> are very
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> hes not
[17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> but seriously dude
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> Mig is very close to confirmed
[17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> who the fuck
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[17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> shoots trotske
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> oh lol
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> Lucid
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> fucking leaves
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> after he knows hes wrong
[17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> rofl
[17:50] <Drazerk> lol
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> and grasping
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> wow
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> thats so sad
[17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> "oh shit i got caught"
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> I didnt like him before
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> But im almost sure now
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> Hes trying to cast doubt on Mig
[17:50] <Kenpachi_> loool
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler>
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971&user=86738[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> add in that
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> he liked idea of day 2 confirmed
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> townie
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-
On August 05 2011 18:14 Barundar wrote:
Mig is pretty clear town, he was already by night time for leading the varp lynch, and the missing kp in the day post just adds to that. I don't see a reason not to claim to him.
I'm not sure why no one can see this, but Mig is not confirmed town. The only way to confirm your role is to shoot someone in the Day or to die. Mig hasn't done either. Yes he looks very pro town. No he isn't confirmed.
I didn't ragequit IRC as is being suggested. This happened at approx 1am my time. I was tired and busy shutting down programs. I read the thread, I read a few lines on IRC. I replied and I quit. I didn't stay around, because I had plans of putting my head on my pillow, not arguing about Mig.
I think my position has produced some interesting results at least. This is my first game with BC, but everyone always suggests that he is a Veteran and an amazing player. The way he reacted to my position suggests otherwise:
[17:48] <BloodyC0bbler> i suddenly like
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> your day 1 finger pointing
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> at lucidity
[17:49] <redFF1> :O
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler>
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=8#156[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler>
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=29#569Here he contrasts me being pro-confirming to a confirmed townie and being against it when it's Mig. This is a terrible comparison, because Mig isn't a confirmed townie. He's trying to show me contradicting myself by misrepresenting the situation. Essentially scum painting.
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler>
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971&user=86738[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> add in that
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> he liked idea of day 2 confirmed
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> townie
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-
Again, he's implying that I'm contradicting myself. I wasn't. A Day 2 confirmed townie is great. Mig isn't one of those.
Why would such a great player make such silly mistakes?
Now, I've had a slight uneasiness with Mig ever since he PMd me early on Day 1.
+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From Mig:
Hey,
I really like your observations and I agree with most of what you had said.
Varp starts off with attempting to appear super pro town but shortly after he falls into making bland vague statements without taking any stands.
Varp and chaos both attacked trotske and both had very poor reasoning behind their attacks. Along with that I think there were logic errors in both of their arguments against sand's plan. Definitely very suspicious of both of them, although chaos' post defending himself against syllo made him seem a bit more townie to me.
Drh really not sure yet. I am not familiar enough with his meta. BC has said that Drh is fearless as scum and very willing to push mafia objectives openly. Where as when he is town he is a lot less sure of himself. So right now I would lean slightly scum but I really want to see him call some people out and see him do some scum hunting before I feel strongly one way or the other about him.
Besides them I have been in contact with bc/sandro/curu/syllo I feel like at least one of them is very likely scum just from a balance perspective. Right now I would lean curu being scum because he hasn't been nearly as aggressive as he was in AA as town. However that is just an early suspicion.
Show nested quote +Original Message From Lucidity:
Hi there
redFF is the scummiest at the moment. He's essentially doing what he did in Arkham's Asylum. Takes a position with no real reasoning (the majority of the reasons he gave are terrible) and is overly defensive. He seems to "joke around" to look like a careless townie.
I don't really have an opinion on chaos yet. I didn't really like his comment on the fake medic. The same thing with info gained from a dead townie. By Day 3 there is always info from every death, unless the player perma lurked. Need more info to get a read on him.
Both redFF and Vaprulis made posts referencing the Engineer, which isn't present in the game. Their first posts also contained the same generic town advice regarding Town KP. Found that interesting. Might be a link there.
Varp is initially concerned about a potential mass amount of blues and KP, but soon after mentions that we're not likely to have many blues at all. His latest FoS feels forced. As if he feels obligated to throw around suspicion and chose a random post to do so.
What are your thoughts on them? And drH?
Original Message From Mig:
Hello!
I hope you are not mafia again lucidity!
Who do you think is scummy so far? What do you think about chaos/varp/redff?
As you can see I made a very basic reply. He replied with, "I really like your observations!". To me that's not how a townie would react. It's almost as if he's trying to make me like him by complimenting a bland analysis, agreeing with what I had to say. This is something that scum does. They want you to like them. They want you to trust them. When two townies interact in PMs they are both suspicious of the other one. They don't try to have the other like them, because he could be scum. Obviously this doesn't make Mig scum, but it didn't sit well with me and I was wary of him ever since this exchange.
In AA we had a similar scenario where Palmar effectively lynched scum on his own on Day 2. Many people hailed him as a confirmed townie and advocated a mass claim to him. Palmar turned out to be an anti-town role.
Mig appears very pro-town at the moment, but he is not confirmed town. I don't like mass claiming to non-confirmed town.
I have to ask though, why are people so keen to mass claim to him? If he is town, then we gain the benefit of an organised night. If Kenpachi's RB claim was real, then we also more than 4 Blue's most likely, which makes night organisation more useful. If Mig is red though, we lose every blue in the game? It's a gamble when we don't need to take one. I don't like it.
TAA's claim is confusing. It's bad as either town or scum. While there are occasions where it is acceptable to lie as Town (RoL in AA for example. His plan was good and had the chance to work), this wasn't one of them. There was absolutely no pro-town outcome on the cards. Then again, I can't see the pro-scum outcome either? Other than possible confusion? But that's quite risky for minimal reward. It's fucked. If we don't find a real scum candidate (i.e. one who actually acted pro-red) we should turn to LAL. It has the added benefit of discouraging townies from lying in the future too.
EPT
