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So I'm going to start it off by saying Ace's plan is horrible and bad. Don't get caught up in his reputation, he knows what he's proposing is harmful to the Town. Why? It's a complete waste of a day and night cycle. If you randomly generate a number, there's no discussion to be had in the day. Everyone policy lynches the guy and regardless of what he flips we have no information to go off the next day. There are several subtle things Ace is pushing that is without a doubt anti Town: I also don't want to know what the setup is until Day 2 when (if) the Detective has a chance to get off an investigation. Encouraging the DT to out himself to know about the setup. If we were to agree to this plan and the DT outs himself, they have an easy kill target or roleblock target. If we were to agree to this plan and no DT outs, then a scum member can claim DT and lead us around his finger. Relying on the presence of power roles to lead the Town is terrible since it encourages sheeping and for everyone to just sit idly and wait for someone to rise up, especially given the possibility that there are no power roles. On July 22 2011 11:18 Ace wrote: I've seen you and Palmar play before thats why  Attacking a player to discredit them. This has the double effect of making the Town doubt the player and making the player doubt himself. That is never a Pro Town attitude, you want people to be unafraid to state their reads and opinions and be able to back it up. If you attack a player until he is unsure about himself, he tends to put too much weight into the opinions of others and become easily sheeped around. Ace has this whole attitude throughout the entire thread, subtly trying to work doubt into VE with a condescending and holier-than-thou attitude. Ace's posting is definitely malicious in nature, his whole *yawn* and /facepalm going to bed stuff has no positive effect whatsoever. I'm not willing to believe a player of Ace's supposed stature is convinced anything he is doing actually helps the Town. On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote: You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. What bullshit is this? You don't care about the lynch? You don't care about the methods we take to find a lynch, and then you claim to be helping inexperienced players? On July 22 2011 23:57 DragonReborn422 wrote: @Palmar I've agreed to Ace's plan. Where? Please show me a post that DIRECTLY states we should random lynch. I've given some arguments on why a random lynch is OK because some of you guys didn't understand it. Also your sample size of 8 games makes you the mafia theorycrafter to tell me who has played over 100 what i do is stupid? for real? Stop flaunting your 9347543 games played, no one cares if what you say doesn't make sense or is anti Town. Also constantly attacks people. DR is also very much pushing a hostile and anti Town atmosphere. He's had a belittling attitude this entire thread through, that's not you how you help inexperienced players. Ace is much more dangerous to me than DR at this point as his anti Town behavior is much more subtle and malevolent, but DR would indeed be my second choice. Both strike me as very hostile to an ideal Town environment. I doubt there's enough time to derail the bandwagon to Ace at this point. ##Vote: DragonReborn422 | ||
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It's all but given you're going to die today, so if you want to help Town then expand your thoughts/analysis before you go. Your prior behavior has ensured that you're not going to save yourself. All you've done is try to attack down anyone who votes for you and call them bad. I don't know what sort of environment you like to play in but acting like an elitist asshole and belittling everyone else is just ensuring that no one will take your analysis seriously on top of being extremely hostile to the Town atmosphere, especially in a game that's designed for new players. They already don't have much confidence, direction or experience, posting like you're better than them and deserve some sort of special treatment while slamming them down is just going to turn them into scared sheep. Drop the attitude and maybe people will be more inclined to listen to you. | ||
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If this is your Town play then I think I speak for everyone on TL that we'd much prefer it if you go back to whatever elitist forum you came from. | ||
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I don't understand why you would come into a game designed for new players and act like a condescending elitist jerk. Rather than try to lead Town through your reads and guide them you attack everyone and fill your posts with sarcasm and conceit. The game is supposed to have a lot of new players. Telling them to their face you think they're worthless and horrible is just retarded. Like I said maybe elitism is the norm wherever you came from but on TL, especially in a game that's supposed to help ease new players into becoming more confident and competent, your attitude is poison. | ||
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Anyways I let my emotions and annoyance get the better of me and I wasn't playing proper Mafia either. I promise to behave in the future . | ||
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I'm fairly certain Mafia is among those lying low unless everyone just lost interest in this game because they know in this setup it's very much favourable for Mafia if everyone just sits back and doesn't do anything. For this point Ace's I-don't-care attitude in encouraging more inactivity rubs me the wrong way. Ace you're a renowned player, can you give some thoughts? For now: ##Vote: Ace | ||
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I got no pressure at all (no one even mentioned me actually) even though I was the hammer on DR and I've been MIA almost the entire game (sorry guys). For Mafia it would be ridiculously easy to no post their way to victory while the active players argue with each other all day. | ||
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Let's make sure we have a much more productive next day. | ||
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##Unvote Unless we can get a consensus in these 5 hours. | ||
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##Vote: Curu I'd like to pursue Ace tomorrow if he still doesn't show up but I don't want to let Mafia get him lynched while we're all inactive. | ||
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Still a worthless day is pretty bad I agree, but I think the only chance Ace gets lynched is if Mafia wills it. Who is currently here atm? | ||
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##Unvote: Curu ##Vote: Ace We need 1 person to hammer him. | ||
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I can't be a hypocrite and call him out on it though, I haven't been the model of activity either on Day 2. Here's to Day 3 being a new beginning. | ||
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Ace, if you are Town, please start trying if I can get this lynch off you. We need 1 more person to take their vote off Ace. ##Unvote: Ace ##Vote: No Lynch | ||
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Have you ever seen a member of Mafia replaced? | ||
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His defeatist attitude and everything is annoying but don't lynch him because of it. We already made a mistake in lynching DR422 out of annoyance. | ||
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Unless Medic is a hero tonight, we have 5 to 3 left. That means we need to either no lynch tomorrow or have a Mafia killed. Mislynch means we lose. | ||
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If you were truly so sure about Ace flipping Town like you suggest with that post then you would have unvoted when I was calling for someone to do it. | ||
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Look through the thread, my entire case for suspecting Ace was because I thought his behavior was subtly Anti Town. But it wasn't, it was just him really not caring, and not caring/being annoying isn't enough reason to lynch him. We already made that mistake with DR422. | ||
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Anyways two things we lay out: We don't trust a DT claim because Mafia could easily be faking in there to force the mislynch. We lynch Trotske tomorrow. Suspect me all you want as long as these two happen. | ||
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On July 27 2011 03:51 Trotske wrote: And I still don't know why you are so sure that Ace is scum On July 27 2011 01:24 Trotske wrote: Palmer is my 3rd pick I havn't really, made much of a case against him, as to why not Ace or you When ace has posted and its not to bitch and moan he stated his reasons for what he was doing which seems townie to me and you while you havn't posted much but when you do post you atleast give reasons to your votes and such even if they arent very good ones TBH your tied with VE for being kinda suspsious but not really doign anythign I could act on. On July 27 2011 00:20 Trotske wrote: What happened to me thinking VE is scum you say? I think hes just a misguided townie who needs to reread why he thinks Ace is scum and I don't actually think hes scum anymore when I don't actually have a better scum read on him than RedFF, Palmer, and aprudds. Please do the smart thing tomorrow and lynch Trotske Town. | ||
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On July 27 2011 07:37 Trotske wrote: So what you are saying is you need a DT to claim and hope that there is a medic? What I am saying is if a DT doesn't claim tonight, then we don't trust any DT claims period. | ||
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Ace did NOTHING that he wasn't doing before. He did not make himself seem more scummy. You were all for thinking he wasn't scum before yet you refused to move your vote off. The only use a DT can get is if they claim tonight. Tomorrow does nothing. Trotske is very definitely Mafia, please lynch him next day Town. | ||
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You know how I said the DT needed to claim at night to be trusted right? Well if he didn’t die, you still can’t trust him. He could easily still be Mafia trying to push a mislynch. The only way you can trust the DT is if he died as that would absolutely confirm him. So, if anyone other than the claimed DT dies, do not trust any DT claims. So I know I’ve been pushing Trotske as the lynch, but for the same reasons there’s something far more damning: On July 22 2011 09:05 VisceraEyes wrote: The illustrious Ace is here with us, however..showing us scrubs how it's done. d1 PL for the guy who wrote the book (thread) on how to be scum anyone?  He cannot possibly have thought Ace was playing so poorly as scum. He was tunneling from the start for Ace’s mislynch. Trotske’s mistake is a possible noob mistake, VE’s was not. Keep in mind that Mafia is highly unlikely to bus teammates at mylo. Town also cannot afford to be misled by Mafia, even one of you. VE or Trotske are my best bets, with something like 80% VE and 20% Trotske. | ||
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This requires another re-read. | ||
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Everyone's inactive as hell so waiting a day doesn't provide anything. If VE is scum, Pyo is probably his buddy. | ||
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But if Fortune is gone and is Town, then Town's lost anyways, just in a slower fashion. | ||
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Well, we can hope he's Mafia. | ||
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.My fault as much as anyone's, sorry everyone! | ||
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