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Trotske

410 Posts

July 25 2011 22:10 GMT

#380

On July 26 2011 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually, your main argument is that I'm not giving 'reasons' for what I say...that it's based on how I feel. And that was the very first thing I responded to. So try again I guess?

You mean when you responded by confirming that was true?

Trotske

410 Posts

July 25 2011 23:00 GMT

#385

On July 26 2011 07:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes, and explained why. Lack of reasoning for voting IS suspicious, but I have my reasons...they're just not backed up by his posts...but guess what? He's not posting anymore! So what am I supposed to do about it? I referred everyone back to his posts with an assignment. Did you do it? Did you go back and read his posts thinking 'Why would he say this as town? Why would he consider this as town? Why would he act this way as town?" I was literally unable to answer those questions when I read through his posts....so my conclusion is that he's scum and he's playing a very dangerous game...acting so scummy that many won't believe that he's scum. But I'm not fooled, and I'm pushing for his lynch. If you don't agree with me, that's fine...but it doesn't make me scum. It just makes me wrong.

Something else I find suspicious is that you're suspecting the one person trying to save this game from the inactivity monster. So what, you're content to let the thread sit in silence and no-lynch to scum victory?

What I find suspicious is that you are so sure Ace is scum and when I point out that you have no hard evidence you don't go look for it to prove your point. Notice I haven't voted yet because I'm still trying to get information which is what this is all about and the main information I have gotten from you is that you were pushing for a lynch when we had over 24 hours left with very little evidence which makes me think that there is another reason you want Ace lynched.

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 15:20 GMT

#403

Where is RedFF and Palmer They havn't posted much on D2 at all the last time RedFF posted was to accuse me after I called him scum and the last time palmer said anything was before that and votes for Pyo.

My most likely mafia right now are RedFF, Palmer, and aprudds. I still don't think anyone has made a real case vs Ace that is better than any of these three people. I think right now the best case is against aprudds so to recap.
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On July 26 2011 11:32 Sevryn wrote:

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Tunnels VE for like 3 posts straight

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Than this post which really put me against DR.

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same kind of thing attacking DR without attacking his arguments.

##unvote
##vote aprudds
I would prefer to see aprudds lynched today but ace is a good target aswell

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On July 26 2011 07:16 Pyo wrote:

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Yeah, I guess I have been kind of lazy. Seeing town jump on a bandwagon like that day 1 was certainly demoralizing. I've also kind of bummed myself out of Arkham Asylum too. But I'll start contributing:

If you look back at how the DR bandwagon developed, it all started with this post by Jacinto:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10420934
I thought this was a perfectly reasonable "get the ball rolling" attack on DR. The case was weak, mostly just non-commital play. I figured DR would just brush it off and the case would be dropped, and I thought DR's post was perfectly reasonable:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10429554

Palmar next throws in a few jabs at DR (typical in-your-face Palmar play), but he seems more occupied with RedFF, and even threw out a jab at me as well.

VisceraEyes next jumps in:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430096
This vote almost feels like VE is reacting to the fact that he doesn't like DR for agreeing with/not being against Ace's plan. I'm not convinced that this is particularly scummy in that it feels a little too committal toward a brewing bandwagon.

The next thing to crop up which really got the ball rolling was this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430660
Here aprudds throws out an ad-hom attack on DR. This is eerily reminiscent of how he managed to start a bandwagon against Freeloader in mafia XL. (For those that don't know, after role PMs went out, Freeloader asked whether mafia could PM each other despite the "no PMs" rule. aprudds brought this up as a scum slip and had the whole town distracted by it for all of day 1.) In this post aprudds is painting DR as an unlikable guy, sort of needlessly needling him/trolling him into acting scummier. And he continues to do it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430971
However, appruds doesn't vote for DR right away. It really feels like aprudds is riling up the town making them dislike DR while not really committing to him. It is only after Palmar also votes for DR that you finally cast your vote. To me that seems really scummy and manipulative, just like he played in mafia XL.

##vote: aprudds

##Vote aprudds

What happened to me thinking VE is scum you say? I think hes just a misguided townie who needs to reread why he thinks Ace is scum and I don't actually think hes scum anymore when I don't actually have a better scum read on him than RedFF, Palmer, and aprudds.

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 16:08 GMT

#406

On July 26 2011 00:32 Trotske wrote:
someone else I have had my eye on is RedFF simply because His posts havn't been helpful at all.
here he posts an img saying that the vote on DR was a bandwagon which might be true
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On July 24 2011 01:01 redFF wrote:

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Two posts later he votes for DR.

Is one reason I am getting a scummy feel from redFF another is that Most of his few posts havn't really been helpful in anyway or are just one liners without backing anything up.

Palmer Is more of a he hasnt been around much on D2 TBH I don't have much of a case on him he just feels scummy to me so I thought I would get some pressure on him.

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 16:09 GMT

#407

My opinion of Ace is he is playing pretty dumb for town or scum so I think there are better people to lynch.

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 16:24 GMT

#409

Palmer is my 3rd pick I havn't really, made much of a case against him, as to why not Ace or you When ace has posted and its not to bitch and moan he stated his reasons for what he was doing which seems townie to me and you while you havn't posted much but when you do post you atleast give reasons to your votes and such even if they arent very good ones TBH your tied with VE for being kinda suspsious but not really doign anythign I could act on.

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 17:13 GMT

#412

shouldn't it be five hours?

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 17:14 GMT

#413

and isn't Ace the only one not to vote?

Am I missing something?

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 17:16 GMT

#414

I want to ask the people who aren't voting for aprudds to look at the cases for the other people and then compare it to the case for aprudds if they really think there are any other cases stronger than his. If you think that is true please post why you think that so other people can see your thinking.

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 18:47 GMT

#424

I am hoping he doesn't come back TBH then he will get mod killed and we don't have to deal with his depressing posts.

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 18:51 GMT

#425

And I still don't know why you are so sure that Ace is scum

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 19:02 GMT

#431

Alright Here is my thought process, 50% of me thinks Aces posts are him being a lazy town in a small game, the other 50% thinks he is scum being lazy in a small game. either way I think I would rather have him lynched than a no lynch so.

## unvote
##vote Ace

at least this way we get some more info instead of just letting mafia get a free day.

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 22:05 GMT

#465

OH look Ace is town what a shocker VE

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 22:34 GMT

#479

On July 27 2011 07:17 Palmar wrote:
or that he wanted people like you to try to push away from his lynch, now we obviously know it was just indifference.

There are plenty of reasons, he tried to get me lynched on the shittiest evidence I've seen, half of it fabricated, then he just called everyone stupid and left the thread.

And then the fact that he randomly decided to defend a scummy player on day 1.

This

to be honest I didn't care if ace was mafia or town because either he was a useless townie or he was mafia either way he was the best lynch candidate. The whole day I was trying to get people to talk so that maybe we could have someone better to lynch than ace but there just wasn't.

Even though he was so sure that Ace was scum I don't think VE is. While his reasons for tunneling Ace weren't very good ones they were the best we had to go on.

The people who strike me as scummy right now are aprudds, redFF , and now Curu.

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 22:37 GMT

#480

On July 27 2011 07:33 Curu wrote:
Sevyrn, use your head for a second and think okay? Tomorrow is mylo. If you think hard enough, you can see why DT needs to claim now.

So what you are saying is you need a DT to claim and hope that there is a medic?

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 22:44 GMT

#485

I'm calling Bullshit on your bullshit, When you were calling out for people to call off the vote all Ace did was play the same anti town way.

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 22:46 GMT

#486

I don't think a DT should claim at all and simply if they hit a scum try to persuade people to vote for them.

Mafia can just counter claim any DT or claim first and then say it was a mafia counter claim if a real DT comes along.

Claiming gets us nowhere. we still don't know who to trust.

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 22:54 GMT

#491

I love how you and palmer get active all of a sudden right after if there is a bad lynch tomorrow You are now both at the top of my Scum list with RedFF. 3 not so active people with little to say and once we are down to last chance lynch they get all active trying to lynch one person with very little evidence.

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 23:08 GMT

#494

Love how your guys main evidence is that I could have prevented the Ace lynch but where were you guys the 24 hours before he got lynched? apparently not reading this thread because you would have seen that I said I didn't think Ace was scum and then after a whole day of ace not posting did i finally agree that he would be a better lynch than a no lynch and yet no where Did I say I thought he was scum.

I will also note that If I had realized that we only had one chance to get a mafia lynch left if ace turned out to be a townie I would have stopped the lynch but this being my first mafia game and all i missed it sorry but its not like you said that or anything when you were asking people to stop the lynch.

so please do the town a favor and stop assuming I knew everything you said I did.

Trotske

410 Posts

July 26 2011 23:15 GMT

#496

it would help if you pointed out the flaw...

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