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On July 29 2011 03:46 Curu wrote: Also, Varpulis why'd you disappear when I asked you if you'd prefer chaos or Foolishness? I was doing other things. Foolishness.
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On July 29 2011 04:15 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 04:12 sandroba wrote: I've explained to people many times why you are mafia, but I'll sum it up nicely:
1)The only long posts you made so far is to defend yourself. You don't care for the discussion of who is or isn't mafia.
2)I'm not blaiming you for what's going bad, you are only doing your job. You want to look good when a mislynch happens, but not prevent it (BC's case). That's not what a townie cares about.
3)You lied in your defense to make yourself look better. You cast suspicion on kita when Jackals wagon was forming. But you did not commit to it. When asked if you wanted a check on kita you declined, even when town wasn't convinced he was scum. So really you didn't care about lynching scum, you only wanted jackal not being lynched.
4)You are not pressuring lurkers. You selectively only pressure the lurkers which turned out to be town.
5)You are distorting my actions to discredit me. I argued with BC because I disagreed with him, but I never voted for him or thought he was scum, until a DT, who was most likely town, came back with a red check. Despite that, I still tried to prevent his lynch, but it was too late.
To sum it up, your behaviour fits mafia goals perfectly, which is to survive, to not look suspicious and to dissuade town from lynching your fellow scum. What the fuck? Points 1 and 3 are blatantly wrong. I never wrote a long post to defend myself, I've never mentioned kita at all in this thread, and I never lied to defend myself. In fact, this post is so bullshit that I'm calling scum on you. ##Vote: sandroba ...he's talking about foolishness.
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On July 29 2011 08:34 Lanaia wrote: [b] I submit my kill during the day. However, it doesn't occur until the following night. that is in fact how the role i made functions. She's not making up her role mechanics.
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out of curiosity, what does "put a bisu in him" mean, apart from fulfilling your TLPD quota?
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On July 29 2011 11:26 chaos13 wrote: Foolishness, I can't quite recall if this has ever been addressed. Why exactly are you putting TLPD in all your posts? Some shit to do with either his role or his penalty, maybe both. I think he hinted at it a while ago.
Or he's pulling a Drazerk and making it all up.
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On July 29 2011 12:57 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 11:42 chaos13 wrote:On July 29 2011 11:35 bumatlarge wrote: come on guys use that brain of yours, even if it isnt what you think you could just accuse foolishness of misleading hints! ??? I don't understand this post Alright, I've been speculating. He started doing it with his first post, so I don't believe it's a penalty. Immediately I thought it was a "palmer bro-fist" situation, but when redff or whoever started TLPD'n everything, F said "thanks for infinite lives" which I've thought through and I'm 75% sure this was a white lie. Nothing wrong with hinting that you have vetty stuff me thinks, it's not consequential because if you dont have vet stuff, your dead, and if you do, then it doesn't change things. Now I think he can state certain players to activate certain things. His first posts were all really obscure players who happened to have common words as their names. Later on, as in just recently, he started randomly saying the J-word (don think it matters if i dont TLPD-ize, or if us TLPDin anything actually does anything) and placing a B-word on people. I don't even want to quote foolish's stuff but its all there using filter. I think B is either a bomb or a check me thinks, he doesn't hide that hes referring to nisani. I haven't made a role this game, but if I thought to utilize TLPD in my role, I'd do something similar to what I mentioned. Do you want us to try to figure out what you do exactly without inccurring your penalties or do you not want us to figure it out at all A conspiracy involving the first letter of the TLPDized name?
Far out, but until we start seeing the results of these actions or can make logical correlations between unclaimed events (nobody claimed the hit on supersoft iirc) I wouldn't put any stock in it.
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ebwop: Yeah, I'm not buying it. He's used beesuit twice, so that's obviously not a trigger word, and he used MurDeR without any effect, which seems counter-intuitive.
Could we focus on analysis not random bullshit theories about Foolishness' role?
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On July 29 2011 21:11 chaos13 wrote: I also still feel that we haven't pulled ourselves together enough. I'm still seeing a lot of random accusations that don't really have much force behind them. Yes, I'm aware that's what my post on Foolishness is like, but there have been enough people explaining why he is scummy that it would not do any good for me to repeat them again.
So here is how all accusations must be made in the future, in order to make things clear and understandable.
Player Name Verdict:
Explanation and evidence. Quotes must be used here.
Player Name is mafia/town.
##Vote: Player Name
This will allow everyone to clearly see and understand what you are saying. This will provide us with stronger analysis and stronger reference after players flip. Of course this will only apply to the original accusation. If you're supporting someone else's, say so, but there is no need to go through this again. If we're to do this, and I'm not so sure that we should, I'd suggest a more refined version, such as:
+ Show Spoiler +PlayerName I believe that PlayerName is scum, because... <evidence for points 1,2,3, with quotes> ##vote PlayerName
It's not really necessary in any format though. If people make disorganized and bad accusatory posts, they're arguments won't paid attention to. It's the burden of the accuser to make a rational, well planned argument. The last thing we want is to allow the mafia to blend in, and restricting analysis to a specific format might achieve just that.
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On July 30 2011 00:52 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 21:11 chaos13 wrote: I also still feel that we haven't pulled ourselves together enough. I'm still seeing a lot of random accusations that don't really have much force behind them. Yes, I'm aware that's what my post on Foolishness is like, but there have been enough people explaining why he is scummy that it would not do any good for me to repeat them again.
So here is how all accusations must be made in the future, in order to make things clear and understandable.
Player Name Verdict:
Explanation and evidence. Quotes must be used here.
Player Name is mafia/town.
##Vote: Player Name
This will allow everyone to clearly see and understand what you are saying. This will provide us with stronger analysis and stronger reference after players flip. Of course this will only apply to the original accusation. If you're supporting someone else's, say so, but there is no need to go through this again. If we're to do this, and I'm not so sure that we should, I'd suggest a more refined version, such as: + Show Spoiler +PlayerName I believe that PlayerName is scum, because... <evidence for points 1,2,3, with quotes> ##vote PlayerNameIt's not really necessary in any format though. If people make disorganized and bad accusatory posts, their arguments won't be paid attention to. It's the burden of the accuser to make a rational, well planned argument. The last thing we want is to allow the mafia to blend in, and restricting analysis to a specific format might achieve just that. trainwreck of grammatical mistakes
The Foolishness-is-godfather theory is an alluring one, going to give that some thought. I'll consider changing my vote if somebody can promise a vig hit on Nisani, because I don't want him to stick around.
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On July 30 2011 01:10 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 01:02 sandroba wrote: Afaik, godfather just changes your aligment to town, not your actual role. An easier explanation is that foolishness' role creator is also mafia. This is what I thought too, but in TL Mafia apparently you can choose what you want to appear as as Godfather. Looking through a few old games, you pick what role you want to appear as as Godfather or you default to Vanilla Townie. Yeah, but that's in a normal setup. Because roles and alignment are separate, I'd expect godfather would just have his alignment masked, not his role.
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Alright I'll bite then. Withholding information and inventing a post restriction don't sit well with me.
What do you guys think of asking foolishness/curu's role creator to claim to confirm this claim?
##unvote ##vote Foolishness
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On July 30 2011 01:20 Curu wrote: Unless you think I'm insanely gambiting scum trying to get Foolishness mislynched, I have no reason to lie about my original role as Role Thief. good point. if foolishness is scum, his role creator is too, otherwise they would have spoken up about his bullshit post restriction.
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On July 30 2011 02:24 bumatlarge wrote:If you lynch foolishness he probably won't die, unless I'm being fooled. Hope I my penalty doesn't activate explain.
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On July 26 2011 05:35 Foolishness wrote:Thanks for making me immune to death the rest of the game bro...I Really appreciate it ^ bullshit, foolishness said so himself.
On July 28 2011 08:38 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:32 heist wrote:On July 26 2011 05:35 Foolishness wrote:On July 26 2011 05:31 redFF wrote:I Really don't understand why you guys are arguing against a free alignment Check. Thanks for making me immune to death the rest of the game bro...I Really appreciate it That was an attempt to stop people from randomly putting in TLPD's in their posts. These are the same people that Fistpound Palmar and hand over items through PMs without giving it a second thought. Use your head; don't be in a Fantasy world.
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bum why did you make a statement without any evidence at all and then disappear without explaining anything?
Who did bum replace in for again?
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On July 30 2011 02:49 bumatlarge wrote:BWHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA this coming from kurumi. I'm doing what I can tell help us win. And that involves not claiming, so sue me. How the fuck do you know that Foolishness is lynch immune. I'm not content with just "taking your word for it," I'd like some form of evidence.
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I'd accept a vig hit on Palmar. I had him pegged as town based off of his actions early on, but now I'm not so sure.
The following people get an FoS for defending Foolishness even after Curu's claim:
scumatlarge DropBear
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btw guys I'm literally worthless role-wise this point. My penalty basically makes my role, which is information based, get bombarded with incorrect information.
Please protect somebody more valuable.
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On July 30 2011 07:11 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 07:09 Curu wrote: Yes, he was honest. I know this for a fact because of the state his role was in when I received it. Okay. Logically, the person who blocked him was town/third party. At least, that makes sense to me. Am I incorrect in my logic thus far? or mafia/town/3rd party targeting heist. no way to tell unless the culprit claims, which would be pretty stupid.
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On July 30 2011 07:13 bumatlarge wrote: Hey i never defended foolishness, I thought lynching him would bring a null result via heist but he corrected me. fine then.
DropBear can make no such claim though, he made a huge post about why we should keep Foolish around.
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