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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 20 2011 10:06 GMT
#50
/in
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 24 2011 10:41 GMT
#126
When is this going to start?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 02:16 GMT
#297
Well on the bright side. At least we can say with a very high likelihood that sandroba/ON are not both mafia. If they were san would just give him the wand in secret. No need to bring attention to it.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 02:22 GMT
#308
I am inclined to believe jackal is town as well. In the first PTP batman/joker was similar to this and batman/joker were placed on their expected sides (batman - town, joker - mafia).
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 02:24 GMT
#312
Heist that is true, but it is a very big risk for jackal to take. If it said something like You are Townie or something, Jackal would instantly be killed. Is it 100% proof he is town? No. But it certainly makes it less likely he would instantly claim it without giving it a 2nd thought.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 02:24 GMT
#313
Oh nm saw decons post
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 02:30 GMT
#320
Once he asks for the item he has to claim Voldemort doesn't he? He knows there is a harry potter out there right. So he knows as soon as he asks for the item he is giving hp a chance to immediately claim and say he is Voldemort yes?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 02:32 GMT
#321
So the real question is would a mafia be brazen enough to immediately ask for the item an hour into the game.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 02:56 GMT
#333
Yea I assume no one else can use the wand. I just say give it back to sandroba. I normally think double lynches for town are insanely good but considering mafia can pick when they want to roleblock. I would rather not risk it.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 02:59 GMT
#338
On July 25 2011 11:57 kitaman27 wrote:

What makes you think mafia has a roleblocker? Seems pretty unlikely to me.


Why is it unlikely? Last ptp there were several rbing roles.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 03:02 GMT
#345
Why would sandroba ever give it away if he could use it? I am fine with it just being returned to him.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 03:12 GMT
#353
On July 25 2011 12:05 kitaman27 wrote:


Are you sure about that? It just seems unlikely enough that we shouldn't based our plans around the assumption.


Obviously I am not completely sure but if mafia has a rber it completely rapes the double lynch plan. And considering the roles given last time there is a decent chance they have at least 1 rber.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 03:22 GMT
#364
If you are town aren't mafia just going to now kill you tonight YM?

How many KP does the mafia have?

I don't see it in the op.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 10:02 GMT
#447
I agree with Syllo. Since when do mafia trade themselves 1 for 1 with townies? And not just that but trade themselves 1-1 for a townie who has 0 powers in a game where everyone is a power role.

If we assume that jackal is scum, then he likely lied and created the line about voldemort hiding as town right? So with that line and knowing that ON is town surely he must have known after ON died, that he was likely going to be fucked. It seems like a massive risk and an incredibly stupid thing for mafia to do.

Jackal in my experience generally seems to be pretty inactive and fly under the radar the first couple days of most games. It seems very unlike him to fake a pm and post it day 1 just to try and get 1 townie with no powers lynched.

So unless Jackal made a massive blunder this game, which is unlike his normal playing style. I am inclined to believe he is not mafia.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 10:11 GMT
#451
On July 25 2011 19:08 Palmar wrote:
I find it hard to believe that roles that were almost certainly created or modified by the host, then themed as arch-rivals are going to be on the same side, just read last ptp with batman and the joker.


I agree with this.

But man it would have to be such an incredibly bad play from Jackal to fake his pm and claim just to try and kill ON if he knew he was town. I think it is more likely that decon is just fucking with us than it is for Jackal to make that play as mafia.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 10:17 GMT
#453
Are you really using lylo as an argument to kill someone on day 1 of the game lol? If jackal survives to that point we will have a huge amount of additional information to judge him with.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 25 2011 10:23 GMT
#454
Claiming someone needs to be killed on day 1 because you are afraid of what will happen if they reach lylo is such a ridiculous scare tactic argument.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 26 2011 01:17 GMT
#832
I am going to vote for the person who is pushing mafia objectives the hardest, BC.

BC has just finished arguing with half the town for literally 10+ pages straight about whether people should trust SS's alignment checks. What exactly was accomplished during this entire argument? Was any scum hunting done? No. Was anyone's opinion about SS changed? No. Instead the thread is now filled with 10 pages full of a worthless argument. The argument 100% benefited the mafia.

I don't think anyone would argue BC is one of the best players to play on TL. So ask yourself which is more likely one of TL's best players decides to be stubborn and have a worthless argument that spams and prevents any scum hunting from being done for 10 pages as town or as mafia?

And just to summarize the things BC has done so far this game

A) Done 0 actual analysis of anyone the entire game, instead pushes for Jackal to be lynched based only on flavor from his role claim.

B) Single handedly derails and spams the thread preventing any scum hunting from being done.

C) Pushed hard for our dt, that killed a scum, to not use his checks. We obviously shouldn't blindly follow the checks but there is very little downside to at least having him check people. Even if we don't act on them, it can serve as an amazing breadcrumb. If supersoft dies and flips town we would know all his checks were true. Incredibly anti town to not at the very least have SS use his checks.

##vote BloodyC0bbler


As for who SS should check, BC should 100% not be checked. If he is mafia he is 99% the GF. So the next best candidate for a check is kita.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 26 2011 02:12 GMT
#860
On July 26 2011 11:02 kitaman27 wrote:
I know you guys apparently hate when I ask questions, but I had assume the godfather was assigned by deconduo. Is this true? If so, BC is just as likely to be the gf as everyone else. Is there a reason you don't want him checked?


I don't hate when you ask questions. You can ask me whatever you want. I just assumed mafia picked their GF since isn't that what happens in the vast majority of mafia games?

Decon did you assign the GF or did the mafia get to pick their own?

If decon randomly assigned the GF to the scum team then I am all for him being checked.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 26 2011 02:16 GMT
#864
Oh ok then yea 100% check BC over kita.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 26 2011 02:35 GMT
#872
On July 26 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I love when morons fall into place. Of the 5 people currently voting for me vigi's feel free to clear the numbers out. There will be at least 2 anti town there already. Thank you dumb tards for playing the game I call "mafia are bad".


BC would you say your 10 page argument was good for the town in anyway?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 26 2011 02:42 GMT
#874
I haven't been home to play. Did you see the analysis I wrote up last page?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 26 2011 02:48 GMT
#876
Isolated on a singular topic which had nothing to do with finding scum. You lead the town in a discussion that took up 10 pages 8 hours and accomplished nothing. Saying discussion never hurts town is blatantly false. There is a big difference between a good discussion on suspects and the 10 page argument you had.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 26 2011 02:54 GMT
#879
And BC I fully understand your reasoning behind your arguments. I don't care that much about them. What I care about is why it wasn't obvious to you after a few pages that the discussion was just going in circles. So instead of ending it so the town could discuss more productive things you continued the pointless argument. As far as I am concerned you took away 8 hours that the town could have been using to actually look at potential suspects.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 26 2011 03:02 GMT
#881
I won't deny your point about red/nisani. Their arguments and reasons they used to vote for you are not good. However I make no apologies for my reasons for voting for you. In my experience when playing against extremely good mafia players one of the main tactics they use is to lead the town away from productive scum hunting. I mean you are really think 10 pages of you/syllo/sandroba/curu arguing game mechanics helped the town? Did you learn much about their possible alignments from it?

It appears to me that the last 3 pages where people began actually voting and giving their reasons has given us 50x the information that your 8 hour argument did.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 26 2011 03:07 GMT
#884
If you want to lynch me because I said our dt instead of the dt go ahead lol.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 26 2011 03:16 GMT
#887
What information did you gather about the alignments of the people you argued with? I would like to hear it.

The discussion we are having now is productive. Arguing actual cases against people makes them take sides, generates connections and forces people to come up with actual reasoning and analysis behind their cases. Anyone regardless of alignment can argue game mechanics. I read all 10 pages of the discussion and I took very little of value away from it.

On July 26 2011 12:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

I am actually throwing a FoS at you for using it. It is actually a common mistake for people who have extra information to infer it in a manner such as you did. As it is more natural to type "our dt" if you know his alignment.


It is also a common mistake for people who don't know alignments but are simply biased about what alignment they think the person is to make. But if you want to make a case against me based on me using the word "our" instead of "the" instead of actually analyzing whether I am mafia from my motivations and posts go ahead.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 26 2011 03:37 GMT
#890
So right now the only thing anyone knows about you is that you want jackal lynched based on role flavor, you like to argue game mechanics and you do not want SS to check you. You said several times in the 10 page argument that it should be obvious that you are town. How exactly can anyone know you are town? You haven't done an analysis on a single person the entire game. And now that I ask for information you deny it, claiming you will make a case against someone once you find one scummy enough. You are more than willing to spend a lot of time defending yourself but I don't see you doing any scum hunting or even discussing any of jackal's recent behavior or the arguments people like syllo made defending him.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 26 2011 04:01 GMT
#894
On July 26 2011 12:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Did you not notice how i mentioned earlier I was willing to swap to someone I felt better about but hadn't yet? No that would require you reading my posts. However, the game is about catching scum, not about someone giving their opinion on who feels more town than another player, or who feels slightly scummier than x. Without more information its like randomly drawing a bad choice from a selection of meh choices. How many people in this game are even talking? How many are even weighing in on the conversation at hand, who has outright dodged comments directed at them?

I am fairly transparent where it matters. The game is not lets find townies, its lets find red. As of now I don't have any strong enough reads to properly push a lynch target. This is an issue that has been stated multiple times by multiple people. You only list off people you are confident enough at the time to lynch, not randomly spout names.


I am not asking you to give me your town reads or slight scum reads. I asked how anyone was supposed to know you were town. When you spend all of your time A) defending yourself and B) talking game mechanics it seems like you are playing a very self oriented game. You have taken a stand on no one. And apparently there isn't a single person in the game you feel is suspicious enough to warrant an analysis. Yet despite these things you claimed it was very obvious that you were town.

I could have placed my vote on you and then disappeared. I am discussing with you because I am gathering information to hopefully make the best decision possible. Right now I don't see anything that makes me want to put my vote onto someone else.

I will agree it is shady that no one else is commenting though. Amber/kita/etc surely someone else out there must have an opinion.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 26 2011 10:10 GMT
#913
When does the day end? It certainly looks bad that jackal has completely disappeared. Also looks bad when BC completely refuses to be checked meh.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 27 2011 21:10 GMT
#1307
You bastards! Gl town.
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