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If you cannot fulfill a contract, bad things will happen to you Can you clarify this? Are we talking modkill here or more like a monetary ingame penalty? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + LSB Pay 2,000,000 Kronos Artanis[Xp] Kill Foolishness before the start of day 3 presumably as long as Foolishness died before day 3 the contract is valid. Artanis doesn't actually have to do the killing, since LSB Banking wouldn't know who did the night kill anyways. | ||
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Should the other player in the trust provide proof that their contract was violated, the violator will be punished Just to ask again, is this an 'in-game' punishment, like a ban on contracts or a financial penalty, or is this a modkillable offence. For Instance if I was mafia could I break a contract(say kill player A with an RPG instead of player B) in order to win the game(no penalty would be incurred since the game is over)? Or would I be modkilled instead? | ||
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I may be in the market to buy up some votes for Day 1, PM me if interested. But most importantly: Who wants to sell me an RPG It's vitally important that I shoot someone with an RPG this game in order to maximize fun | ||
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More importantly, wheres my RPG? | ||
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On July 12 2011 19:37 Palmar wrote: Is it? If the guy has more than one bulletproof vest, can't the mafia just kill him, depriving us of the saves? That's true. I'll admit that the safety of the seller wasn't my primary concern... Wouldn't the seller be wearing his bulletproof vest though? In the case where he's not allowed to wear his own vest, he could sell me both his vests, and I'll sell him one back(hopefully that would allow him to actually wear one). | ||
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On July 12 2011 22:42 chaos13 wrote: So you're looking to buy votes on Day 1, the time in the game that it is least likely we will lynch scum. You also want an RPG, which provides you with additional means of killing someone, which also does not guarantee you will kill scum. Noted, you're going down on my suspect list. yeah, I was trying to see if anyone would bite by offering to sell me their vote. It would peg them either as scum or as someone with a cash ability. In retrospect it was probably a bit too transparent. As far as an RPG, it provides me with a means of killing someone, not an additional means. I play a patient, thoughtful style of mafia and have no intention of firing at the first player who pops on my scumdar. I am also fairly decent at finding reds, though I'll admit that I'm somewhat weak when it comes to PM games, which I don't normally join. As an advertisement to business, I have defensive weapons to sell. If you are interested, PM me. This seems like a risky thing to be posting in public. Surely it makes far more sense for you to be PMing players you have pro-town reads on rather than letting everyone know. | ||
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On July 12 2011 22:46 Kurumi wrote: THE PLAN Is easy. So here it goes: #1 We announce our contracts. The more information You give us, the bigger benefit for us. #2 We are not giving away our equipment before we've got strong townie reads with someone. #3 As fast we get confirmed Townie, we initiate a Trust contract with him so our items won't go into the Black Hole ^We should give this guy vests and medic prots as fast as possible too, we don't want our Bank to die -_- #4 We don't let ourselves get bossed around with contracts. Think before signing one. Glued post, enjoy, sorry for spamming the thread. The only important point here is number three, which should be obvious. We don't want to announce contracts in public. I find it likely that there are certain pro-town abilities(investigations, medics, etc) that require money to activate. It's important to keep mafia in the dark as to which players are buying and which are selling. Not to mention which players have which items. | ||
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Your points a) and c) go together. The reason I folded is because it was a bad plan and no one was going to bother PMing me, particularly after chaos13 pointed it out. There's no need to let things like that fester in peoples minds, so I addressed it. Makes sense? Every player in every mafia game ever should be 'afraid' of being under suspicion, at least in the sense that you should do what you can to appear town-aligned and not get mislynched. Oozing green is the best trait any pro-town player can have. | ||
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On July 13 2011 01:08 Kurumi wrote: Also Radfield.. On the page 5 You said You'll announce who sold You the BP vest, but on this page You say we shouldn't announce contracts at all. It's a contradiction. Lets not be silly. What I said in regards to both those points make perfect sense unless you are trying to nit-pick my posts to make me look bad. + Show Spoiler + Why did you post this? I made it clear I was role fishing, no bones about it. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2011 01:50 Kurumi wrote: Guys, are we going for inactive lynch or scummiest person lynch Day 1? Also Radfield smells worse and worse for me.. PM trap without good enough skills (thanks Palmar) Role fishing (thanks Jackal58) Contradiction about BP (possible trap for future?) Wanted to buy: BP Votes (said it was a trap) RPG Great play by play. Glad to know I've been pegged as scum after 4 posts. At which point did I smell bad, and then go to smelling worse exactly? Post 3? Post 4? I'm genuinely interested in where the tipping point was for you Kurumi. Also, lol at 'PM trap without good enough skills" The reason I'm bad at PM games, is because too much happens behind the scenes. I excel when presented with information, and my ability to sift through that info. However, with PM games most of the important info goes on without me seeing it, which kinda makes things less fun. Also, I tend to not bother PMing people in PM games, which is something I'm trying to remedy. It's not that I can't use PMs, the problem is that I typically don't. On July 13 2011 04:08 GMarshal wrote: Ace said this once, in my first game, and while I disagreed with him then I agree with him now. "Kill people who aren't going to help you win" Lurkers are serving as bait for mafia in lylo and dragging us down. We need to exterminate them like the vermin they are. The idea of killing a 'lurker' is not a sound one. Killing someone who you think is scummy is almost always a better play in my mind. Now, if someone is lurking and seems like they're trying to fly under the radar, then absolutely they should be lynched, not because they are lurking however, but because what they are doing is fundamentally scummy. And you lynch someone because they are scummy. So yes, killing a lurker is fine, as long as your doing it because you think they are scum. The real power of the Day 1 lynch is to get everyone's votes down on paper. If you vote for a player who is inactive on Day 1, the mafia will be more than happy to jump on board, and town learns absolutely nothing from Day 1 because the mafia all had clear cut reasons to vote. However, if you lynch someone who's actually playing the game, that forces mafia to come out in the open and make up an opinion and LIE about why they think that player is scum. If you are lynching a townie day 1, every mafia player has to make up some crap post about why they think that player is scummy, and that's how you find mafia. | ||
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On July 13 2011 04:54 Jackal58 wrote: To ensure that everybody saw it and was aware of it. Most people I've ever seen fishing for roles were scum. Fair enough, but I made it awfully clear what I was doing. It would peg them either as scum or as someone with a cash ability. + I find it likely that there are certain pro-town abilities(investigations, medics, etc) that require money to activate. Trying to learn what players roles are is all mafia is. Being able to peg someone as a definite red/blue is extremely handy. | ||
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On July 13 2011 05:03 heist wrote: Sandroba I don't see in any way how Kurumi is more scummy at this point than Radfield based on actions alone. On the contrary, Kurumi is pointing out what exactly makes Radfield our leading suspect (although the BP contradiction is quite bs). role-fishing is one of the scummiest things to do. Isn't it a bit suspicious that radfield folds on his trap after one line of inquiry? That said, is he super-scummy? No but I like his chances at flipping red more than a lurker's. I have zero votes heist, and in no way shape or form am I the most scummy player in this thread. However, given that certain players seem to be bent on spending their time focused on me today, here is my proposal: Set aside your suspicions for 1 cycle. If by day 2 you still think I am the best target for a lynch, then push me with all your might. However, in the meantime, stop focusing on my terrible first post that had apprx 3 minutes of thought, and instead look around at the other players in the thread. I am confident that by day 2 my posting will have spoken for itself. | ||
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On July 13 2011 06:14 GMarshal wrote: And I will *continue* to suggest it. As long as Chez remains so hard to read. I love the guy, he is hilarious, but he makes scumhunting harder. Chez in a PM game is even harder. But reading him is easy, if he hasn't bagged the whole scum team by Day 2, Day 3 at the latest.... off with his head | ||
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Sandroba looks fine for now as well, though I'll admit I'm a bit biased, partly because he was posting the things I was thinking, partly because he was my scum buddy last game. Nisani, how is chaos13 playing protown? He's only made two posts.... missed a quote tag there chez... i'm disappointed. | ||
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On July 13 2011 07:29 syllogism wrote: Even if that ability is real, I would recommend not using it right now, unless there is an extremely good reason. Your role says nothing of your alignment and appears to reveal a lot of information to you. Is this to Chezinu? He's just having some fun. Who do you think we should lynch today? | ||
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On July 13 2011 07:37 Nisani201 wrote: 1) The Radfield accusation did not have much confidence. If you think that it is, good for you, but I am telling you right now that I don't think he is the best lynch anymore. 2) I'm not sure how to please you people. In RTM a bandwagon formed against me because I didn't share my opinions. In this game I give my opinions on a few people and you see it as scummy? Bullshit. Don't worry about pleasing people, just keep posting in a consise and constructive format and the rest will sort itself out. I'm still unsure why you found Chaos13 pro-town given he only has 2 posts.,both of them attacking other players. Also, you listed 4 people you think are either town or are unsure on, who do you think is scummy? Who do you think is a good lynch target. | ||
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I'd like to thank Jaedong for his heroic all-kill vs hite during last years winners league. Without him I'd never hold the FPL crown, and never have gotten the FPL Crown honorary chezino discount. This is the most excited I've ever been watching Broodwar: Jaedong had worked his way through 3 hite members, and was facing off vs Leta. If he won, I was guaranteed to be the FPL champ, if he lost.... lets not talk about it. I woke up at 4:30 in the morning to watch this series, and I leapt out of bed when Jaedong brought the hammer down on Leta in the most thrilling and nail-biting game I've ever watched. I recommend everyone check it out. | ||
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Palmar, i'm still not sure I see the Sandroba case, and he thinks he can break the game tomorrow, so lets see if it happens. Jackal and Chaos, you guys need to post more. Heist you too Chezinu, do you have any reads at all? | ||
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I appreciate your zest here Kurumi, but you're way off base. First off, I have several suspects, but am PMing other players and those suspects in an effort to build a case. This includes you, but you never responded to my PM, did you? There is very little going on in the thread, which is why i've sent 30 PMs so far this game, to about 7 different players. However you're right that I don't have a lot of red reads right now, but i'm working on it.You keep saying I was trying to find blues...? That makes no sense. I was trying to find players eager to sell their vote, which would peg them as either blue OR RED. I never gave chezinu anything. He gave me 1000000 free chezbucks because I was trying to wrangle a good deal from him. I dont understand your serial killer stuff. Your really digging hard here to try and build a case against me. ____________ Anyways, after PMing around, it seems we have several options for the lynch today: Originalname, Sandroba, and Nisani. Syllogism I was initially suspicious of, but the fact that he was trying to break the game in a pro-town way scores him enough points to get past Day 1 for me. Chez is too much fun to get rid of, Sandroba: As I've stated I don't think lynching sandro is a particularly good play, especially since he seems to have something cooking for Day 2 with GM. OriginalName: My first impression of ON is that he is legit, but frankly his posting is very neutral and tending towards posting for the sake of posting. I'm not totally sold on him though, which leaves... Nisani: Currently my best bet for today's lynch. His first post was super scummy(as sandro pointed out) and it hasn't really improved. | ||
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I asked for 1 cycle, and you guys gave me 18 hours. Seriously, if you took a poll at the beginning of the game of the worst possible town plays, lynching Radfield Day 1 is pretty near the top of the list. I have some faults, and am not good at finding scum day 1, but I absolutely excel day 2 and beyond. Hence why I generally die night 1 or night 2(or night 0), and why I asked for 1 cylce of leeway. Nisani is the lynch today, not me. However, both chaos and jackal look scummy, but I'll admit i'm biased since they are voting for me. Frankly, the fact that everyone is coming down either for or against me makes it far more difficult to parse who's town and who's not. Chez, are you trying to get me lynched by unvoting Nisani? GMarshal, I think you're barking up the wrong tree with Heist. This is the most BS post in this whole thread: On July 14 2011 01:47 Jackal58 wrote: I just replied to a PM that Radfield sent me. I'm sure he didn't like my answer to much. He asked for my opinions and I told him I was leaning towards him or Nisani for my vote today. I had not even considered the SK angle but that fits better into his reasons for posting as he has than him being scum does. Thank you chaos. I am having a very busy day at work today and then I have bowling tonight so I will not be on much until late this evening. And by then I'll be drunk. My apologies. ##VOTE: Radfield I would gladly move a lynch onto Jackal. This post, combined with the fact that Palmar offered him money to be active during day 1 that he turned down, make him very scummy. He has also done very little posting, and seemingly very little PMing. He jumped on my bandwagon with only the slightest push, and I guarantee that the mafia are licking their lips in anticipation of lynching me Day 1. The PM that Jackal sent me: I'm at work. And occasionally they actually expect me to do something. syllogism hasn't posted enough of anything for me to get any real feeling from. nisani didn't start playing in CCM until the pressure was on him hard. He started out looking scummy in that game as well. I think he's worth another day to look at. And ya I mean his posts so far have looked scummy. If he doesn't improve in the next few hours he will most likely get my vote. If he doesn't you most likely will. I don't agree with all of Kurumi's analysis of you but some of it makes sense. I found Kurmi's part about the SK buying votes to be curious. I'm going to ask him what his logic is behind that. Sandroba I always think is scum and he always flips town on me. So I'm leaving him alone for right now. I haven't decided on Original Name yet. I think Palmar has called half the people in the game scummy so far. I have been in contact via PM with chaos13, Palmar, GMarshall and yourself. Of them I believe chaos and Palmar are most likely town. GMarshal is a null atm and I'm leaning towards red for you. Original Message From Radfield: You've been rather absent in the thread. What are your reads on OriginalName, Sandroba and nisani? Also, what do you think of syllogism? Who should our Day 1 lynch be? I'm also wondering if you've been in PM contact with any other players. Palmar and GM, have you guys actually been much in contact with Jackal. Did you initiate contact or did he? When I've been scum in PM games I tend to avoid PMs, and I think that is the general trend. ##Vote: Nisani I don't have a huge scum read on nisani, but he is a far better day 1 lynch than myself. Sandro, Palmar, Chez, ON, Gmarshal, heist and syllo: I would like to move this lynch onto Jackal. Thoughts? Is anyone willing to follow? | ||
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nisani didn't start playing in CCM until the pressure was on him hard. He started out looking scummy in that game as well. I think he's worth another day to look at. And ya I mean his posts so far have looked scummy. If he doesn't improve in the next few hours he will most likely get my vote. "I think he's worth another day to look at" turns into: "If he doesn't improve he will likely get my vote" wait, what? So is he worth another day or was he likely to get your vote? And yes, I realize you are voting for me, but that doesn't change the blatant contradiction inherent in your PM. Also, His comments on the SK stuff are totally off: His post: I had not even considered the SK angle but that fits better into his reasons for posting as he has than him being scum does. His PM to me: I found Kurmi's part about the SK buying votes to be curious. Am I crazy here, or is Jackal the most scummy player in this thread? | ||
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He asks for a bulletproof vest - SK wanting protection from mafia hits? Yes. He asks for votes - SK wanting swing-vote ability, to control the lynch? Yes. He can even use this to pursue a strong mafia suspect and gain major town cred. He asks for RPG's - SK wanting to increase their killing ability? Yes. He's third party, he's not worried about hitting someone on his own team. If he kills mafia, he's eliminated a threat to himself, if he kills town, hopefully he got a dangerous blue role. The more kills, the faster he's won the game. You must think I'm the worst player to ever play mafia I've been the serial killer before too once. PYP1. I nailed a scum on both Day 2 and Day 3, and ended up getting Day Vigged by scum. I was the most pro-town player in the thread by a long shot, and basically had everyone fooled. I know how to play this game.Reasons for my first post: I joined this game thinking it was a funsy themed mini-game which I could put my minimal amount of free time into, and I posted that first post accordingly. Look at my sign-up posts: On July 11 2011 00:22 Radfield wrote: I'll bite as well. Someone make me a sweet contract: I'll give you all my votes starting on Day 3 for all your cash now /in On July 11 2011 00:23 Radfield wrote: Also, I plan on playing this game without actually scum hunting or rereading the thread ...and compare that to these, my first two posts of the game: On July 12 2011 19:25 Radfield wrote: Lets get down to brass tax: Who's selling me a bulletproof vest? I may be in the market to buy up some votes for Day 1, PM me if interested. But most importantly: Who wants to sell me an RPG It's vitally important that I shoot someone with an RPG this game in order to maximize fun On July 12 2011 19:33 Radfield wrote: Fear not, I've got that covered. I'm going to make public whomever sells me the BP vest. That way if I die(if the vest is bombed, or a fake), you can lynch the ass who sold me the vest. More importantly, wheres my RPG? Notice the theme? Unfortunately, this has turned into far more of a standard mini mafia, and far less of a funsy theme game, and my first post(made in a spirit of fun) has dogged me all cycle. Lynching me today is a terrible play. I have huge potential to be an asset to town. If I don't contribute, then lynch or vig me, but at least give me a chance. | ||
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Nisani the Mafia Tekkie has had his throat ripped apart. I honestly did not think Nisani would flip scum.... I spent about a half hour chatting with him last night, trying to come to an agreement with him to move his vote onto Jackal(who I thought was scum). I explained to him that I would also vote Jackal, and along with Chez and GM(who I thought would have) we could get him lynched. I also explained that the only way he wouldn't die was if he followed this plan. However, Nisani was extremely reluctant to follow this plan, and refused to switch his vote. He insisted that one of me or Kurumi had to be scum. In fact, his alternate plan was that he would post a large analysis on Kurumi and try to get him lynched(this is with 2 hours left). I explained to him that trying to start in on Kurumi would only ensure his own death. It was a very confusing conversation, and seemed like Nisani really had no grasp on the situation at hand. Anyways, the conversation solidified for me the fact that Kurumi is very likely town(given that Nisani flipped red). It also implicates Jackal considering that Nisani refused to switch votes onto him. I don't understand why a mafia would be reluctant to switch onto a townie to save his own hide, especially when I would have likely taken the blame for the lynch-switch. This also makes this post: + Show Spoiler + On July 14 2011 10:57 Jackal58 wrote: ##UNVOTE: Radfield ##VOTE: Nisani I don't want no scummy shenanigans. all the more scummy, considering Jackal jumped on the bandwagon(or the bus) at the last minute. Is this a complete indictment of Jackal? Nope. 1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options. 2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible. _________________ Anyways, I have yet to reread the thread, but Gmarsh is fairly scummy right now. Consider: He came into the thread to make a huge defense of me, but then DID NOT put his vote down on Nisani, leaving my fate up in the air. If he truly wanted to save me, he needed to vote for NIsani, and not try to start up a third option with Heist. That being said, the lynch never came down to the wire so it's unclear whether he would have switched over to save me towards the end. But if Nisani and Gmarsh were both mafia, his actions make perfect sense. Save Radfield and gain pro-town credit from the other sensible players, but redirect the lynch off of Nisani onto a semi-lurker. As a general aside, his policy lurker-lynching attitude is very anti-town. I posted in detail why lynching lurkers day 1 was bad, and he never responded. I think if he truly felt that lynching lurkers was the right play, he would have replied to my criticism and discussed it more. | ||
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Where oh where did those reads on GM and Chaos come from? On July 13 2011 06:39 Nisani201 wrote: I make one post and now everyone is all over me? WTF? The only reason why you guys think that the post is scummy is because it isn't super confident. I wasn't being very confident about it because there was so little evidence; Day 1 reads should never yield absolute confidence IMO. I doubt he will get lynched today but I was just suggesting that it would be better to lynch him because of scumminess rather than a lurker. I don't think we should lynch Chezinu because he's not posting. If he completely lurks then he will just get modkilled anyways. Anyways, I guess I'll post my opinions on some players now, because I'll probably be asked to do so anyways sooner or later. Radfield - Appears to be full of contradictions and scumslips. They are forgivable but we should definitely keep an eye on him throughout Day 2. Kurumi - He seems to be slowly easing off his tunneling of Radfield, probably because people are calling him scum. If he truly thought that Radfield were Mafia then I think he would be pressing a bit harder, but now he just seems to be acting for the crowd. Suspicious. chaos13 - Playing pro-town; all of his posts have evidence behind them and have a lot of content. Doesn't seem suspicious. GMarshal - Seems to be playing his standard leadership town role. I don't see a difference between his playstyle now and his playstyle from RTM so he seems innocent to me. | ||
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On July 15 2011 06:13 Jackal58 wrote: I changed votes to ensure that a vote switch to you wasn't possible. At the time Nisani had 5 votes. You had 4. At the time I felt you were probable SK (Nothing changed there) My belief that Nisani was scum rose a bit after his final post. I already told you how I saw him react to pressure in CCM. Nisani as scum has help. You as SK do not. If scum was hiding a vote on Nisani they could have easily switched it to you in the last second. If you're SK great. If you're not not so great. So I switched votes to keep that from happening. Don't like it fine. I'm hoping to get you lynched today. Hmm, I think maybe you misunderstood my post. 1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options. 2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible. These two points were to show evidence of you NOT being scum. | ||
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On July 15 2011 04:28 Jackal58 wrote: Apparently I wasn't scummy yesterday but today I am. On July 14 2011 09:09 chaos13 wrote: Jackal is an interesting candidate. He hasn't given me a strong read either way, and he has a tendency to be somewhat absent and unopinionated on Day 1. I wouldn't want to lynch him today based only on the evidence you put forth. What I see in your analysis is enough cause to be watching him closely, but not near enough to be comfortable lynching him over Radfield. And Chezinu, bandwagoning is bad. Don't do it. What I see in your analysis is enough cause to be watching him closely Did you sell him your mine before or after you came to this conclusion chaos? I'll admit that I don't get the case against Chaos right now, but it seems that Syllo and Palmar are holding cards that I can't see. If there truly is a lie somewhere in between Chaos and Syllo, then that's great, but I really hope that you guys(Palmar and Syllo) have considered any other alternatives. Palmar and Syllogism, are you guys 100% sure that Chaos13 is scum? Keep in mind that 100% sure is the equivalent to a dt check in a game with no GF/Framer/etc. If that's the case than I'll back it. | ||
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Sorry for being afk on you Chez, I still haven't had a chance to look at your posts.... but I'll do my best to find some time. This whole thread confuses me right now, as does last nights activity. Lets see if I have this right. Jackal placed his mine between himself and Kurumi. Kurumi tried to bus drive Jackal and Chezinu, but was killed by the mine. Chezinu was attacked in some way or another, either with KP or attempted theft(can't really tell). Sandro was roleblocked Chez claimed a kill last night, so presumably he killed Chaos since that is the only unclaimed kill? This means that the mafia tried to kill Chez last night, which clears him from being mafia? However, it doesn't make much sense for mafia to try and kill Chez. So unless Kurumi's bus drivering went through, and mafia shot at Jackal, it still doesn't make a lot of sense. Anything else I'm missing? Vote: OriginalName for all the obvious reasons. Palmar, why did you announce my bat in the thread? And why did you announce it going to Jackal? You were the one who told me to not reveal it in the thread(like I intended). I sincerely hope you are flipping it from Jackal to a different player, or else it is rather useless. | ||
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On July 15 2011 18:35 Kurumi wrote: Fuck I wanted to troll with Chezinu.. and I died! Bastards! Still loving You <3 Go get them Town! | ||
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Radfield said: You got any good stuff for me ? GM said: Depends on how you define "good" and "stuff". I actually have a couple different items I can sell, for the right price/equivalent items. What do you have on your end? Radfield said: Just dolla bills yo Anyways, I'm really just trying to start up a dialogue... Lurker lynch is bad GM said I disagree, I love lynching lurkers, but you should already know that ;P Anyway, any reads so far? I like how everyone concluded you were scum, its mildly amusing. | ||
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On July 17 2011 01:14 sandroba wrote: LOL, wouldn't you just fucking kill the thief in that case? Nice Radfield, really nice. If it was a thief, then probably. However, if he had some from of protection from KP, he would be fine. The bat delivers 1 KP to the visitor, if he is medic protected, vet, BP or anything else he wouldn't die. Even so, are you saying there is no conceivable way that items might be stolen from someone without triggering the Baseball Bat? If so then you're assuming far more than me. My starting role + item was fundementally unbalanced, which makes me assume that there are unbalanced items on the other side of the equation. Why is it suspicious that I would lie to GM at the very beginning of the game? As opposed to spreading around exactly what I have or do not have? | ||
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Good luck with that You whack away with the bat... | ||
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On July 17 2011 05:00 syllogism wrote: Nah, pretty sure Rad has those I don't really get the whole vault thing, or how I would get items out of it. | ||
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On July 13 2011 02:25 Nisani201 wrote: I also am not sure about Radfield... however he seems like a good lynch to me. Unless a better lynch pops up then we probably should stay on him. A lurker lynch is not a good idea because they always end up being town, and every Townie matters when we're in a quantity battles with the Mafia in the later game (as Kurumi so nicely pointed out earlier in the thread). On July 13 2011 06:39 Nisani201 wrote: Radfield - Appears to be full of contradictions and scumslips. They are forgivable but we should definitely keep an eye on him throughout Day 2. GMarshal - Seems to be playing his standard leadership town role. I don't see a difference between his playstyle now and his playstyle from RTM so he seems innocent to me. On July 14 2011 02:04 Nisani201 wrote: OK, I've made my decision. ##Vote: Radfield ---------------- On July 17 2011 09:56 Kavdragon wrote: Look at this! The votes are so one sided that we will not only be killing an innocent, but we will be getting no information out of the lynch! Move to Radfield! On July 17 2011 09:36 OriginalName wrote: Basically the entire case on Radfield as I see it is Kurumis points d1 -Role Fishing -Some shady moves -Wanting RPGs The defense of particulerly point 3 was very weak. He said it as he was hoping this would be a fairly chill game. While he also wanted a vest this is pure meta on Rad due to his usual short lifespan. D2 Uh has he done anything? I think Palmars img was quite apt and his willingness to give up his bat has made me think hes trying too get townie cred... Or its boobied. All in all ##Vote Radfield On July 17 2011 09:58 Kavdragon wrote: Syllogism, OriginalName had no support from anyone. This is an exact repeat of SNMM3. Vote radfield today I like how any game where I can't die (vet, BP, etc) I get tunneled by mafia the whole game... | ||
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Anyways, check me tonight dt. Or check GM/Kav, as he is the last red obviously. Either one will clear up the endgame. | ||
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Why don't you think I am the last mafia member? | ||
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However, I could be a vet and still be mafia Kav could be a hitman and still be mafia. | ||
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On July 17 2011 23:37 sandroba wrote: Radfield, even if you really have the role you claim, there's simply no way you are town this game. You played very suspicious day one for a townie with that role. You were begginng for a DT check / Vig shot. If you had this role as town, I'm 100% positive you would play it very differently. So either way, lying about your role or not you are still mafia. What happened Day 1: I posted some funsy posts to start the game. Extrememly non-standard play for me, no matter if i'm mafia or town. Check my other games as mafia, I post very straight up. Because of my poor posting, suspicion is thrown on me from several different angles. I spend much of the day defending myself, culminating on me trying to straighten things out by asking for a grace period. It's extremely difficult to get reads on players when everyone is either defending you or attacking you. Your bias kicks in and it's difficult to remain objective, even if you realize the bias is there. Despite this, I still become a lynch target based on super flimsy evidence. Because of this I have become an obvious target for both dt's and vigis, possibly still medics simply based on who I am. I plan on claiming my role in thread to avoid anyone visiting me at night. Ask Palmar, as he is the one who dissuaded me from revealing my role in thread, even going so far as to call me stupid As an aside, in PYPI, foolishness accused me of the same thing. "There's no way you would play the way you did if you were Bulletproof". I try to play the same no matter my role: Red, Green, Blue or Vet. However, this game I played extremely different to start off the game. What does this mean? I'm red? I'm blue? Of course not, it simply means that I posted thinking this game was fundamentally different from other mafia games I have joined in the past. As it turns out, this is playing out very similar to a standard game, and is not fundamentally different in any way. The only reason I joined this is I thought I could get by with low activity requirements. I dropped out of Closed Casket due to time constraints, and I disclaimered this game by saying I didn't intend on doing much combing of the thread. Sandro, here are the reasons that you think I am scum: * My role seems to unbalanced to believe. I agree with you here, and obviously I can't defend it. It's hardly an indictment of me though in a game such as this. * My non-standard posting this game I've tried to address this above, and I hope you agree that this is a null-tell at best. My posting so far this game doesn't resemble any mafia game I have EVER played. Regardless of role. * ON's behaviour during Day 1. Again, I see where you are coming from, but I think we need to break this down more. First off, lets agree that lynching me Day 1, and having me flip green, would make every player on that train look very suspicious. Even more so, any player who early on defended me or stated they didn't want to lynch me, would look like an almost for sure mafia. Once Nisani flipped red later in the game, even more evidence would be piled up. Originalname posted very early on that he thought lynching me Day 1 was a bad idea(just like you Sandro). He stated this long before Nisani ever because a clear target. Imagine what it would look like if he(or you) decided to change their mind and suddenly vote for me based on weak evidence. So, when did OriginalName put down his vote on Nisani? There were 4 votes on each of Radfield and Nisani, but I had yet to vote, and GM had already indicated he wanted to save me. As such, there was no way that Nisani could be saved, even if OriginalName had switched his vote onto me. Once myself and GM voted, it would be 6-5 and Nisani still would have flipped red, except that now ON would be totally busted. As godfather, the one thing you don't want to do is mess with your voting habits. I have more to say about GM's role during Day 1(not to mention Kav's role during Day 2), but I have no more time to spend on the comp. | ||
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I see why you think i'm scum, but I feel like you're blinding yourself to whats been going on. I still don't understand why you guys are giving heist a pass. Was he the dt check last night? anyways, I hate to draw attention to an after death post again but: On July 17 2011 12:16 OriginalName wrote: THERE KAV I TRIED ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!?!?!?! ?? | ||
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On July 17 2011 12:49 Kavdragon wrote: You didn't try hard enough. I could have stopped this with your help. On another note, that sounds really scummy! Why do you wish you had stopped it? I feel like this is a GG post... | ||
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On July 18 2011 01:02 Palmar wrote: I said that you were not stupid enough to actually think that was a good idea. That's the thing, you're way smarter than the way you're playing. I've read pypi and I've seen you play in ccm, this thing is out of character for both your town and scum play. Also, trying to play exactly the same as green as when you're red is stupid, it only works one way. You should always try to establish you're green, even if that means smashing your metagame for when you're scum. Anyway, I think you're much better at town than you've showed us this game, and that's one of the big damning factors as to why I think you're scum. I don't think you guys are actually reading what I'm saying anymore, but that's ok. I said that you were not stupid enough to actually think that was a good idea. That's the thing, you're way smarter than the way you're playing. I've read pypi and I've seen you play in ccm, this thing is out of character for both your town and scum play. Yet Sandro is trying to indict me partly on the basis that I didn't reveal my role. And you're here telling me that I was not stupid enough to think that revealing my role was a good idea... Also, I agree that my play is "is out of character for both your town and scum play". I'm not sure if you're insinuating i'm the SK, but go browse PYP1, where I was the SK. I assure my play this game lines up with no game I have ever played. You guys seem to think it's because I'm scum, but it's actually just a symptom of the very little free time I have at the moment, and my desire to play a game with a bit more of a funsy spirit. Anyway, I think you're much better at town than you've showed us this game, and that's one of the big damning factors as to why I think you're scum. Again, I agree. You're seeing the right information(poor play), but drawing the wrong conclusion(scum). Partly my poor play is because of my inactivity, but partly it is due to me being a suspect since the beginning of day 1. I've spent most of my free time defending myself, instead of actually searching for suspects. The truth of it is, I actually suspected ON would flip green. That shows how non-existent my scum-hunting has been. Sandro, I had a strong pro-town read on Palmar, and already intended(before he PMed me) to both A) announce that I had a PGO item, and B) Trade that item to a pro-town player before the next night I could have traded it during Day 1, but I felt that to announce my PGO-ness during day 1(either publicly or privately), while I was up for lynch would only complicate matters(which it would have). When Palmar contacted me and asked me to trade it(under threat of death) I agreed, under the circumstance that he not reveal he had the Bat to any other player, no matter how much he trusted them. Instead, he changed his mind and asked me to trade it to Jackal, who he explained he was certain(100%) was town. I agreed. Why won't anyone answer about heist? He has shown up on zero scum lists despite not being in the least confirmed. | ||
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It's night time, I'm not trying to get anyone lynched right now. Though if Kav survives the night, I will try to get him lynched. | ||
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?I actually DID make a good call this game, and I should have read more into the fact that Nisani wouldn't switch his vote to Jackal with me on Day 1. Jackal, ON and Nisani were all on the ropes after Day 1. The fact that Palmar talked about Jackal having the bat in thread should have tipped me off to something strange going on as well. However, the idea that a townie was lying to protect a mafia simply did not enter my mind. Thanks for being Brown Chez. I'm not sure how you scored 7 points, but i'm sure you earned them! Thanks for hosting LSB and Curu, was really fun. | ||
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